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NFT: FIFA World Cup, Thursday 12/1

bluefin : 12/1/2022 7:01 am
Group F, 10:00 AM
- Belgium vs. Croatia
- Morocco vs. Canada

Group E, 2:00 PM
- Germany vs. Costa Rica
- Spain vs. Japan

Belgium and Germany facing elimination, linked FIFA blog has a rundown.
FIFA.com matchday, week 12 - ( New Window )
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RE: wow - that ball looked out -  
KDavies : 12/1/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15928200 Del Shofner said:
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holy mackerel!


Yeah, that was a pretty bad call.


Götze has bit of a history with big, late goals  
ColHowPepper : 12/1/2022 3:24 pm : link
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How many more times ...  
BronxBob : 12/1/2022 3:24 pm : link
... can Germany hit that right post !
These Group E games are willd  
Producer : 12/1/2022 3:24 pm : link
If result holds, who would have thought Japan would top group by beating Germany and Spain but losing to Costa Rica
Goooool CRC  
bluefin : 12/1/2022 3:26 pm : link
What a day
Germany is falling to pieces  
Producer : 12/1/2022 3:28 pm : link
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This game has gone gonzo  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/1/2022 3:29 pm : link
2-2 Havertz
RE: Shit is getting crazy here.  
BronxBob : 12/1/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15928205 giantBCP said:
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Spain and Germany on the verge of going out if CRC gets another goal. Germany going out as it stands.


That's the "live table" at around 70 minutes.
Oh well, Havertz scores just as I typed that.
WORLD CUP!
I think some of these Euro teams are overblown  
Producer : 12/1/2022 3:32 pm : link
Spain and Germany aren't that good.
end to end madness  
bluefin : 12/1/2022 3:33 pm : link
German subs on the attack
RE: end to end madness  
Burt64 : 12/1/2022 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15928226 bluefin said:
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German subs on the attack


no need to bring WWII into this.
JAP are very quick and disciplined inside the 18  
ColHowPepper : 12/1/2022 3:37 pm : link
think ESP has to strike from edge of the 18, advantage over the smaller keeper
Whoever manages to finish second in group E  
giantBCP : 12/1/2022 3:42 pm : link
is rewarded with a round of 16 match with Morocco rather than Croatia.
The announcers were wrong about whovwould advance  
Producer : 12/1/2022 3:43 pm : link
You have one job.
RE: The announcers were wrong about whovwould advance  
giantBCP : 12/1/2022 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15928235 Producer said:
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You have one job.


I watch it on Telemundo, mainly for non sporting reasons.
Spain should take the loss  
giantBCP : 12/1/2022 3:52 pm : link
Kill two birds with one stone. Eliminate Germany and play Morocco in the round of 16.
RE: Spain should take the loss  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15928243 giantBCP said:
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Kill two birds with one stone. Eliminate Germany and play Morocco in the round of 16.


Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.
Japan can really  
section125 : 12/1/2022 3:56 pm : link
sit on a lead. That was a really disciplined tight defense.

Germany going home...yeesh
The upsets  
section125 : 12/1/2022 3:57 pm : link
continue.
Today didn't disappoint  
Producer : 12/1/2022 4:04 pm : link
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RE: Japan can really  
KDavies : 12/1/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15928246 section125 said:
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sit on a lead. That was a really disciplined tight defense.

Germany going home...yeesh


Helps Japan got that awful non-call on the out of bounds goal. Germany would be moving on if not for that goal.
RE: RE: Spain should take the loss  
ColHowPepper : 12/1/2022 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15928244 Optimus-NY said:
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.

Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG
RE: RE: Japan can really  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15928256 KDavies said:
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sit on a lead. That was a really disciplined tight defense.

Germany going home...yeesh



Helps Japan got that awful non-call on the out of bounds goal. Germany would be moving on if not for that goal.


Have not seen an angle that shows it out, last view it was still barely on the line. But, WTF knows.
RE: RE: RE: Spain should take the loss  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15928259 ColHowPepper said:
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.


Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG


+1

I predict that England will get tossed from the rung by the Senegalese. Can't stand them (England) already as it is.
RE: RE: RE: Japan can really  
Producer : 12/1/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15928260 section125 said:
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sit on a lead. That was a really disciplined tight defense.

Germany going home...yeesh



Helps Japan got that awful non-call on the out of bounds goal. Germany would be moving on if not for that goal.



Have not seen an angle that shows it out, last view it was still barely on the line. But, WTF knows.


There was an angle where it clearly looked out.
Check out the bracket so far for the Round of 16:  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:16 pm : link



Roberto Rojas @RobertoRojas97 - That right side of the bracket is looking PRETTY TASTY #FIFAWorldCup - ( New Window )
Here's a pic:  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:21 pm : link



Ben Jacobs @JacobsBen - It really does look like all of the ball crossed all of the line for Japan’s second goal.😬 - ( New Window )
Here's another angle:  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:24 pm : link




Angle from up top - ( New Window )
RE: Here's a pic:  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15928280 Optimus-NY said:
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Ben Jacobs @JacobsBen - It really does look like all of the ball crossed all of the line for Japan’s second goal.😬 - ( New Window )


How could the miss that? Still photo from ground level photog?
...  
Burt64 : 12/1/2022 4:26 pm : link
Wow  
whispa : 12/1/2022 4:27 pm : link
That's horrible
Someone posted this as a comparison:  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:28 pm : link



Tom @tommaine11 - Replying to @JacobsBen - ( New Window )
All of the ball being out means the entire circumference  
shyster : 12/1/2022 4:29 pm : link
of the ball, not just all of that part of the ball that is touching the ground.

That is the way I read the FIFA rule.
Back edge of ball while not touching the  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:29 pm : link
line, if it is over the line, is it in or out? If directly looking down, if it is still on top of the line?

In golf, if ball is not in contact with OB line it is OB even if looking straight down it appears to cover part of the line...
RE: All of the ball being out means the entire circumference  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15928289 shyster said:
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of the ball, not just all of that part of the ball that is touching the ground.

That is the way I read the FIFA rule.


Ok thanks - that is what I thought and that is what makes it a tough call.
RE: Back edge of ball while not touching the  
shyster : 12/1/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15928290 section125 said:
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line, if it is over the line, is it in or out? If directly looking down, if it is still on top of the line?

In golf, if ball is not in contact with OB line it is OB even if looking straight down it appears to cover part of the line...


This is the issue. Having read the rule, I believe it is the former. The edge in the air over the line means it is in.
When you look at it form above, the ball was not completely out.  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:31 pm : link
Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.
RE: When you look at it form above, the ball was not completely out.  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15928295 Optimus-NY said:
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Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.


So like in the NFL, if there is doubt, the call on the field stands.
The whole ball  
giantBCP : 12/1/2022 4:38 pm : link
has to cross the whole of the line when looked at from directly overhead. Often it looks like the ball is out, but it isn’t, like in today’s game.
RE: RE: Back edge of ball while not touching the  
ColHowPepper : 12/1/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15928294 shyster said:
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...I believe it is the former. The edge in the air over the line means it is in.

Correct; whether the ball is on the ground or in the air, the edge of its circumference must be entirely outside the end line to be ruled oob.

I have to say, on the TV replay showed immediately following the goal, it looked to me the entirety of the ball was clear/outside of the end line.

What Group craziness that was.
RE: RE: RE: Back edge of ball while not touching the  
KDavies : 12/1/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15928304 ColHowPepper said:
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...I believe it is the former. The edge in the air over the line means it is in.


Correct; whether the ball is on the ground or in the air, the edge of its circumference must be entirely outside the end line to be ruled oob.

I have to say, on the TV replay showed immediately following the goal, it looked to me the entirety of the ball was clear/outside of the end line.

What Group craziness that was.


Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away
RE: RE: When you look at it form above, the ball was not completely out.  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15928297 section125 said:
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Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.



So like in the NFL, if there is doubt, the call on the field stands.


I'm not sure, but I would assume so.
RE: RE: RE: When you look at it form above, the ball was not completely out.  
bluefin : 12/1/2022 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15928317 Optimus-NY said:
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Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.



So like in the NFL, if there is doubt, the call on the field stands.



I'm not sure, but I would assume so.

Great pics - thanks for posting!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Back edge of ball while not touching the  
ColHowPepper : 12/1/2022 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15928308 KDavies said:
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Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away

I am not sure, but I think part of the issue may be whether VAR the area of the end line where this occurred; we know it covers the goal line (inside the goal posts) and offsides lines in the body of the pitch. What we as viewers see is whatever the official TV feed is from Qatar; I don't know if that comes in the ambit of VAR. Where that occurs on the field from the officials' perspectives is one of if not the most difficult to get accurate reads:
- the Center is out somewhere at the 18 primarily looking for fouls in the area, but he has poor perspective from 18 - 20 yards out to see such a fine measure.
- the AR at that endline is completely blocked by the goal posts and horizontal goal anchors, as well as players' bodies;
- the AR on that far side is probably anchored at the half way line and has less vantage point than the center.
RE: RE: RE: Spain should take the loss  
Sec 103 : 12/1/2022 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15928259 ColHowPepper said:
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.


Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG


+1
RE: RE: RE: RE: Back edge of ball while not touching the  
shyster : 12/1/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15928308 KDavies said:
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Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away


I would say the point is that this is the most videoed and photographed event on the planet, and there is huge incentive to deliver the still or photo that is definitive evidence that the ball was out and the call was wrong.

And none such has surfaced.
Spain was disappointing the last two  
Sec 103 : 12/1/2022 5:30 pm : link
and Morocco is no push over.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Spain should take the loss  
bluefin : 12/1/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15928337 Sec 103 said:
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.


Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG



+1

these guys agree
RE: When you look at it form above, the ball was not completely out.  
Del Shofner : 12/1/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15928295 Optimus-NY said:
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Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.


I never focused on the FIFA rule that specifically before today. The part of the ball touching the ground was out, so in real time I thought it was out, but now learning about the rule on this thread, I think it was a correct non-overruling - can't say the ball was definitively out. CHP also makes a good point above - none of the three officials was positioned where they could possibly have a good look at it - not through any fault, just how it went down.
They used sensors in the ball  
giantBCP : 12/1/2022 7:04 pm : link
to determine that it was in play.
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