...I believe it is the former. The edge in the air over the line means it is in.
Correct; whether the ball is on the ground or in the air, the edge of its circumference must be entirely outside the end line to be ruled oob.
I have to say, on the TV replay showed immediately following the goal, it looked to me the entirety of the ball was clear/outside of the end line.
What Group craziness that was.
Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away
RE: RE: When you look at it form above, the ball was not completely out.
Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away
I am not sure, but I think part of the issue may be whether VAR the area of the end line where this occurred; we know it covers the goal line (inside the goal posts) and offsides lines in the body of the pitch. What we as viewers see is whatever the official TV feed is from Qatar; I don't know if that comes in the ambit of VAR. Where that occurs on the field from the officials' perspectives is one of if not the most difficult to get accurate reads:
- the Center is out somewhere at the 18 primarily looking for fouls in the area, but he has poor perspective from 18 - 20 yards out to see such a fine measure.
- the AR at that endline is completely blocked by the goal posts and horizontal goal anchors, as well as players' bodies;
- the AR on that far side is probably anchored at the half way line and has less vantage point than the center.
Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away
I would say the point is that this is the most videoed and photographed event on the planet, and there is huge incentive to deliver the still or photo that is definitive evidence that the ball was out and the call was wrong.
Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.
I never focused on the FIFA rule that specifically before today. The part of the ball touching the ground was out, so in real time I thought it was out, but now learning about the rule on this thread, I think it was a correct non-overruling - can't say the ball was definitively out. CHP also makes a good point above - none of the three officials was positioned where they could possibly have a good look at it - not through any fault, just how it went down.
That's the "live table" at around 70 minutes.
Oh well, Havertz scores just as I typed that.
WORLD CUP!
no need to bring WWII into this.
I watch it on Telemundo, mainly for non sporting reasons.
Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.
Germany going home...yeesh
Germany going home...yeesh
Helps Japan got that awful non-call on the out of bounds goal. Germany would be moving on if not for that goal.
Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG
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sit on a lead. That was a really disciplined tight defense.
Germany going home...yeesh
Helps Japan got that awful non-call on the out of bounds goal. Germany would be moving on if not for that goal.
Have not seen an angle that shows it out, last view it was still barely on the line. But, WTF knows.
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.
Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG
+1
I predict that England will get tossed from the rung by the Senegalese. Can't stand them (England) already as it is.
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sit on a lead. That was a really disciplined tight defense.
Germany going home...yeesh
Helps Japan got that awful non-call on the out of bounds goal. Germany would be moving on if not for that goal.
Have not seen an angle that shows it out, last view it was still barely on the line. But, WTF knows.
There was an angle where it clearly looked out.
Roberto Rojas @RobertoRojas97 - That right side of the bracket is looking PRETTY TASTY #FIFAWorldCup - ( New Window )
Ben Jacobs @JacobsBen - It really does look like all of the ball crossed all of the line for Japan’s second goal.😬 - ( New Window )
Angle from up top - ( New Window )
Ben Jacobs @JacobsBen - It really does look like all of the ball crossed all of the line for Japan’s second goal.😬 - ( New Window )
How could the miss that? Still photo from ground level photog?
Tom @tommaine11 - Replying to @JacobsBen - ( New Window )
That is the way I read the FIFA rule.
In golf, if ball is not in contact with OB line it is OB even if looking straight down it appears to cover part of the line...
That is the way I read the FIFA rule.
Ok thanks - that is what I thought and that is what makes it a tough call.
In golf, if ball is not in contact with OB line it is OB even if looking straight down it appears to cover part of the line...
This is the issue. Having read the rule, I believe it is the former. The edge in the air over the line means it is in.
So like in the NFL, if there is doubt, the call on the field stands.
Correct; whether the ball is on the ground or in the air, the edge of its circumference must be entirely outside the end line to be ruled oob.
I have to say, on the TV replay showed immediately following the goal, it looked to me the entirety of the ball was clear/outside of the end line.
What Group craziness that was.
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...I believe it is the former. The edge in the air over the line means it is in.
Correct; whether the ball is on the ground or in the air, the edge of its circumference must be entirely outside the end line to be ruled oob.
I have to say, on the TV replay showed immediately following the goal, it looked to me the entirety of the ball was clear/outside of the end line.
What Group craziness that was.
Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away
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Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.
So like in the NFL, if there is doubt, the call on the field stands.
I'm not sure, but I would assume so.
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Difficult call to make, but it didn't appear to be definitively out.
So like in the NFL, if there is doubt, the call on the field stands.
I'm not sure, but I would assume so.
Great pics - thanks for posting!
I am not sure, but I think part of the issue may be whether VAR the area of the end line where this occurred; we know it covers the goal line (inside the goal posts) and offsides lines in the body of the pitch. What we as viewers see is whatever the official TV feed is from Qatar; I don't know if that comes in the ambit of VAR. Where that occurs on the field from the officials' perspectives is one of if not the most difficult to get accurate reads:
- the Center is out somewhere at the 18 primarily looking for fouls in the area, but he has poor perspective from 18 - 20 yards out to see such a fine measure.
- the AR at that endline is completely blocked by the goal posts and horizontal goal anchors, as well as players' bodies;
- the AR on that far side is probably anchored at the half way line and has less vantage point than the center.
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.
Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG
+1
Yeah, I agree when I see the video. I don't see the point in showing the stills, unless you can guarantee that the still was taken at the exact time the ball was farthest away
I would say the point is that this is the most videoed and photographed event on the planet, and there is huge incentive to deliver the still or photo that is definitive evidence that the ball was out and the call was wrong.
And none such has surfaced.
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Understandable, but don't sleep on Morocco.
Don't sleep on Senegal vs ENG
+1
these guys agree
I never focused on the FIFA rule that specifically before today. The part of the ball touching the ground was out, so in real time I thought it was out, but now learning about the rule on this thread, I think it was a correct non-overruling - can't say the ball was definitively out. CHP also makes a good point above - none of the three officials was positioned where they could possibly have a good look at it - not through any fault, just how it went down.