Can’t find any other source of Garafolo saying this so not sure where he said it.
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According to NFL insider @MikeGarafolo, the Giants would be open to retaining Saquon Barkley at slightly above $12M per season but if he wants McCaffrey money at $16M per year, he doesn't think it'll get done
he doesn't have much leverage. This is the first "healthy" season he's had in years and his pace has slowed in the recent weeks. There's also the fact that CMC earned that contract coming off of multiple productive and healthy campaigns. Don't get me wrong. Love SB26 but only if he doesn't price himself out of a multi-year deal to stay in blue. At that point, just keep tagging him year after year like what happened to Leveon Bell.
I think someone posted that this year's tag is around $10.
I wanted to draft Barkley. It is time to move on. Thank you for what you gave this team but we shouldn't be paying him decent money on a long term deal.
How many yards has he run for in the last 2 games? Did he get 50 yards combined? And both teams are not known for great run defenses? He did hurt his shoulder this year. Maybe it’s bothering , maybe something else. Given his injury record over the last few years, I would not break the bank for him.
We don’t even know what the second contract would be. Saying no just because doesn’t make sense. What if they want to tag someone else where there would be a larger financial benefit?
Looked like he was shot out of a canon comparatively - I don’t think anything beyond the Giants comfort level or a franchise tag is going to happen. And they shouldn’t. It would be really interesting to see how the offense responds to different players in the mix
Can’t go over $12M per year. Barkley has either been out or nicked up for 60% of his career thus far including now with the shoulder that seems to be hampering him.
How many teams that have paid major cash to the RB position have been successful in the last decade? Pretty much no one. The Titans have made the playoffs and had decent records with Henry, but they haven’t been realistic contenders.
Evaluate him compared to the rest of the team and then compared to the league’s running backs. Excluding QB, what is his value compared to any other Giants player? Do you really want to go into next season with a veteran borderline starter or do you think you are going to find one using draft capital in Day 1 or Day 2 of the draft?
If you pay a RB that much it means the offense has to go thru him
deal ended up paying out for the panthers. 40m over 3 years (30m of which was guaranteed on signing).
the devil is in the details but assuming barkley's performance this year doesn't regress further as long as they can structure a similar 3 year outlay the rest of the extension is window dressing.
talk about a guy who never carried a team to anything. He can’t do what Barkley did to help get us to 7-2. CMC might not play this week as well, yet another injury.
Looked like he was shot out of a canon comparatively - I don’t think anything beyond the Giants comfort level or a franchise tag is going to happen. And they shouldn’t. It would be really interesting to see how the offense responds to different players in the mix
Watch those plays. They were running some very interesting plays with Barkley lined up close to the line. When he went in motion and Jones faked to Barkley, the ENTIRE DEFENSE flowed to Barkley. The result were huge holes for Brightwell. He did nothing special whatsoever on those runs. In fact, I'd guess that if Barkley had either of those holes, he'd have gone for 10-15 extra yards.
people forget the crazy plays Barkley was making the first half of the year that no other RB in the league makes. Is he in a rut right now, yes? But I'd bank on him bouncing back especially if we get our real two way TE back this weekend as well as Neal.
and that's such a crucial part of today's game for an RB. He's gotten serviceable at pass blocking, but he's not really an asset there either.
He's still our best weapon, but a 4-5 year commitment seems like a bad idea. Stay young and cheap at RB IMO.
I was and am a big fan of SB, but I agree with this 100%.
I agree too. I wanted to draft Barkley and I really like him as a player. But to tie that much cap $ up in him, especially multi-year, would set this team back a lot in retaining other talent and signing better FAs. And, NYG can likely find a "good" to "serviceable" replacement RB for a fraction of the cost.
and this is the return message. So, there figures to be a significant gap. 4/68 from the agent, 3/36 from NYG figures to be the gap like I mentioned a few weeks ago.
talk about a guy who never carried a team to anything. He can’t do what Barkley did to help get us to 7-2. CMC might not play this week as well, yet another injury.
There's perhaps 1 RB in the league that's good enough to "carry" a team anywhere. It's Henry.
talk about a guy who never carried a team to anything. He can’t do what Barkley did to help get us to 7-2. CMC might not play this week as well, yet another injury.
There's perhaps 1 RB in the league that's good enough to "carry" a team anywhere. It's Henry.
Everyone else doesn't do that.
I don’t agree. Barkley has done more to contribute to our 7-2 start than anything CMC has done to date. People claiming he’s the better player must be watching a different game and from a different year.
with Jones, I'd like to see how the rest of the year plays out before making a final decision about what to do with either.
Barkley has been facing a lot of eight man fronts designed to stop him, behind a porous OL, with essentially no viable WRs or TEs, and a QB that the coach clearly doesn't trust. He's willed this team to several victories.
But RBs have a short shelf life, he has an injury history, and as others have noted, many good RBs can be found on day three. It does seem like a fungible position.
As of right now, $12M is the maximum that I would consider, but we'd also need to know the length of the contract and guaranteed money.
But I won't mind at all if he goes. His talent just doesn't translate to any more wins than any other RB who's capable of getting 100 yards per game. Look at Dameon Pierce. He was a 4th rounder, and he's on a rookie deal. Tell me that having (and PAYING) Barkley over a guy like Pierce translates to more wins. You can't.
Every Giants HC who's had Barkley healthy has leaned so much on him that the offense are always facing 9 in the box, and every opponent is keying to stop Barkley. A few years back, there was ample evidence that the offense was more balanced and more effective when Barkley was out and Wayne Gallman was in. Mostly because they weren't facing 9 in the box.
The only way Barkley is possibly MORE valuable than any other GOOD RB is if you have a loaded offense (ha!), and/or a totally dominant OL -- which the Giants haven't had in over 10 years. Hopefully they're building one now under Schoen.
I wouldn't pay Barkley a ton. At all. If they can get him reasonably, fine (even 12 mil seems ridiculous. Draft a mid round kid). RBs just aren't where you want those assets tied up.
I'd sooner pay a true #1 FA WR.
And if it's between paying Barkley or Jones -- even Jones as the BRIDGE to the next guy, you have to pay/tag Jones. There are no clearly better options at QB at the moment. But effective RBs (comparatively) grow on trees.
has declined. Why?
We don't know.
What we do know is that he lost 4 of his 5 starting lineman and his TE whose greatest asset could be his run blocking.
I think this week we will see an increase in production with what might be the best offensive line we've seen all year in talent and an improved and more mature Neal at RT.
Time will tell.
You'd rather have a top WR than a top RB. You'd even rather have a 2nd or 3rd tier WR than a top RB.
The problems are 1) WRs aren't available in FA, 2) They're expensive.
Courtland Sutton, for example, signed for 4/60. Probably a 3rd tier guy. AJ Brown was 4/100 plus the 18th pick. Christian Kirk was 4/72 (most people thought that was an overpay).
I get not wanting to pay Barkley. But its not like we can just let him go and turn that space into AJ Brown or even Courtland Sutton.
Barkley has 35 receptions this year and four have made a first down. Four.
One of these players is not like the other. At all.
We don’t even know what the second contract would be. Saying no just because doesn’t make sense. What if they want to tag someone else where there would be a larger financial benefit?
I am good with that
Will be the same with DJ
If I were him Id take it, I know they will negotiate but he's been hurt so much. 12M is a good offer (We'll see whats guaranteed).
How many teams that have paid major cash to the RB position have been successful in the last decade? Pretty much no one. The Titans have made the playoffs and had decent records with Henry, but they haven’t been realistic contenders.
He is not durable enough. He has too many games where his production stifles the offense.
Great teammate, great character, but that is not worth the money he wants or even a long term contract averaging $12 million per year, IMO.
He's still our best weapon, but a 4-5 year commitment seems like a bad idea. Stay young and cheap at RB IMO.
the devil is in the details but assuming barkley's performance this year doesn't regress further as long as they can structure a similar 3 year outlay the rest of the extension is window dressing.
Agree, 12 seems too high. CMC is better player and Barkley should not be paid like CMC
There is no such thing as RB hell in this league, it is the easiest to replicate production by late round picks and undrafted free agents.
Watch those plays. They were running some very interesting plays with Barkley lined up close to the line. When he went in motion and Jones faked to Barkley, the ENTIRE DEFENSE flowed to Barkley. The result were huge holes for Brightwell. He did nothing special whatsoever on those runs. In fact, I'd guess that if Barkley had either of those holes, he'd have gone for 10-15 extra yards.
He's still our best weapon, but a 4-5 year commitment seems like a bad idea. Stay young and cheap at RB IMO.
I was and am a big fan of SB, but I agree with this 100%.
CMC had fewer years and injuries on his sheet, and the Panthers paid 40M for 2.5 years of injury plagued, low performance.
The only silver lining for them, he was young enough that SF was willing to trade value for the remainder of his deal.
If Barkley has 2.5 years equivalent to CMC, he’s out of the league. Not a trade chip.
The Giants should invest significantly less than Carolina did in those 3 years.
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and that's such a crucial part of today's game for an RB. He's gotten serviceable at pass blocking, but he's not really an asset there either.
He's still our best weapon, but a 4-5 year commitment seems like a bad idea. Stay young and cheap at RB IMO.
I was and am a big fan of SB, but I agree with this 100%.
I agree too. I wanted to draft Barkley and I really like him as a player. But to tie that much cap $ up in him, especially multi-year, would set this team back a lot in retaining other talent and signing better FAs. And, NYG can likely find a "good" to "serviceable" replacement RB for a fraction of the cost.
Easy peasy.
There's perhaps 1 RB in the league that's good enough to "carry" a team anywhere. It's Henry.
Everyone else doesn't do that.
I don’t like giving 20 plus million to WRs.
the struggles in pass catching limits what they would value
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talk about a guy who never carried a team to anything. He can’t do what Barkley did to help get us to 7-2. CMC might not play this week as well, yet another injury.
There's perhaps 1 RB in the league that's good enough to "carry" a team anywhere. It's Henry.
Everyone else doesn't do that.
I don’t agree. Barkley has done more to contribute to our 7-2 start than anything CMC has done to date. People claiming he’s the better player must be watching a different game and from a different year.
I don’t like giving 20 plus million to WRs.
I'd like for the money/ball to go towards WRs. That way we can score more points
Barkley has been facing a lot of eight man fronts designed to stop him, behind a porous OL, with essentially no viable WRs or TEs, and a QB that the coach clearly doesn't trust. He's willed this team to several victories.
But RBs have a short shelf life, he has an injury history, and as others have noted, many good RBs can be found on day three. It does seem like a fungible position.
As of right now, $12M is the maximum that I would consider, but we'd also need to know the length of the contract and guaranteed money.
And he's a good guy and a good company man.
But I won't mind at all if he goes. His talent just doesn't translate to any more wins than any other RB who's capable of getting 100 yards per game. Look at Dameon Pierce. He was a 4th rounder, and he's on a rookie deal. Tell me that having (and PAYING) Barkley over a guy like Pierce translates to more wins. You can't.
Every Giants HC who's had Barkley healthy has leaned so much on him that the offense are always facing 9 in the box, and every opponent is keying to stop Barkley. A few years back, there was ample evidence that the offense was more balanced and more effective when Barkley was out and Wayne Gallman was in. Mostly because they weren't facing 9 in the box.
The only way Barkley is possibly MORE valuable than any other GOOD RB is if you have a loaded offense (ha!), and/or a totally dominant OL -- which the Giants haven't had in over 10 years. Hopefully they're building one now under Schoen.
I wouldn't pay Barkley a ton. At all. If they can get him reasonably, fine (even 12 mil seems ridiculous. Draft a mid round kid). RBs just aren't where you want those assets tied up.
I'd sooner pay a true #1 FA WR.
And if it's between paying Barkley or Jones -- even Jones as the BRIDGE to the next guy, you have to pay/tag Jones. There are no clearly better options at QB at the moment. But effective RBs (comparatively) grow on trees.
We don't know.
What we do know is that he lost 4 of his 5 starting lineman and his TE whose greatest asset could be his run blocking.
I think this week we will see an increase in production with what might be the best offensive line we've seen all year in talent and an improved and more mature Neal at RT.
Time will tell.
The problems are 1) WRs aren't available in FA, 2) They're expensive.
Courtland Sutton, for example, signed for 4/60. Probably a 3rd tier guy. AJ Brown was 4/100 plus the 18th pick. Christian Kirk was 4/72 (most people thought that was an overpay).
I get not wanting to pay Barkley. But its not like we can just let him go and turn that space into AJ Brown or even Courtland Sutton.