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allstarjim : 12/1/2022 3:42 pm
into a strength in one offseason.

Obviously, we're talking WR here.

There's a specter of a possible OBJ reunion hanging over MetLife right now, so everything I write here is going to be independent of the same. I'm assuming that if a reunion is to take place, it will be for more than this year, probably two seasons.

If you want to know how I land on that particular issue, I'm in favor. Whether or not you think the risk is too much with the repeated ACL injuries, which sure, it is, IMO the money shouldn't be too prohibitive making the risk manageable and the upside too great to pass up if they can make it happen.

This is also independent on whoever the QB will be for next year, Daniel Jones or someone else. I believe even if you're grooming a redshirt QB, it makes sense to build the offense now so that there is something to work with.

Regardless, here's what I would do, with what the Giants have, their cap considerations, offensive philosophy, and team needs.

Here's the existing group and what I'd do:

Cuts/would not retain:

Darius Slayton (UFA)
Richie James (UFA)
Kenny Golladay (cut, either pre-June 1st or post, don't care either way)
Sterling Shepard (cut)
Collin Johnson (cut)

Out of all these guys, Collin Johnson, due to the early nature of his injury, could be retained, as he's under contract for one more year for just about a million, but this isn't a big impact decision either way.

Retain:

Isaiah Hodgins, David Sills (ERFA) - I think Hodgins has a lot of skills that the coaching staff likes in terms of route running and quickness, that fit what they'd like to do.

Sills doesn't have that, but what he can do is block. And that's something I think this staff likes, and as a bottom roster type, I can see him hanging on as I think Saquon will still be here, as a franchise tagged player at least, and Sills could be a valuable backup in certain situations.

Wan'Dale Robinson - needs no explanation. He probably won't be ready to contribute fully early next season, and that needs to factor into their plans, but obviously he's young and has 3 more seasons under contract. He's shown enough to be thought of as at least a good role player if he can stay on the field.

Marcus Robinson (UFA) - There's a question mark with his hands, but a low free agent offer to stick around, I would like. Johnson has speed and quickness, and despite some questionable hands, I like him as a depth piece and hope for more development. It should be noted none of the guys above would be guaranteed a roster spot, with the exception of Wan'Dale. The others would be camp competition that I wouldn't mind seeing sticking around.

Free Agent signees:

Jakobi Meyers - (4 yrs, $50 million) - The estimate is based on Spotrac's market value, and I think the value and skillset makes sense. Meyers is a reliable receiver that runs good routes, can run the whole route tree, and has good hands. He would be a stabilizing player to this group. I would rather do a 2 or 3 year deal with him, and despite the good year he's had, I think that's possible, as I expect a buyer's market for the receiver position this offseason.

OR

Juju Smith-Schuster (3 yrs, $30 million) - I've long been a fan of JSS's game. One of my favorite things to watch with him is his release off the LOS. His footwork there is excellent, and he would do the same for this offense that Meyers would do. I prefer Meyers, because I think he ticks off the smart, tough, dependable box a little more, but JSS can do everything that Meyers could in this offense, and perhaps add a touch more in the explosive play department. Both players are just 26 years old. JSS's market value may be a touch more approachable.


Noah Brown (2 yrs, $12 million) - Make no mistake, I'm signing Brown to be a starting receiver on the outside. I love the overall skillset, I've been impressed with him when he has been the fill-in for Michael Gallup during his prolonged absence. His departure dings a division rival and I think he has a lot of good football left in him. He fits a big receiver role that can be a red zone threat, has good size, speed, and enough route running ability to get free as well as blocking ability for the position. It's a little tough to project his market, so I have no idea if the offer above would even be competitive, but I'd be a buyer on as much as a 4 year deal in that $6 mil range if that's what it took. Brown is just shy of 27.

Jarvis Landry (1 yr, $3 million) - This is a stop gap option as I'm not sure when we'd be able to count on. Should the Giants sign one of the two first guys I listed in this section, I think this is a little superfluous. I'm a little reticent on this one in terms of the dollars given the money needed in other areas, but you know what you're getting in Landry, a quality slot who runs great routes and is sure-handed, and would really solidify the receiver group. This isn't a necessity, but if the dollars work, he is a good fit.

Other free agents to consider:

Caveat, these players are fallback options if I can't get two of the above. These guys have traits of what I'm looking for in the players above and could be hidden-value pickups for low money.

Justin Watson (KC) - A player Kafka is familiar with, I wouldn't be surprised to see him find his way here.

Byron Pringle (CHI) - Another player Kafka has experience with, Pringle has flummoxed me as at times I can see a dangerous receiver that has never really took off. The downside here is that he'll be playing in his age-30 year next season, so this is a short-term add that's unlikely to all of a sudden put it all together, but I like his game.

Equanimeous St. Brown (CHI) - I think he does a lot that Noah Brown does. Also just 26 years old.

Deandre Carter (SD) - Speed, offers something in the pass game could be a big factor in the return game, also will be 30 next year.

Draft Approach -

There are several first round talents that I think will be talked about this offseason, but I like the Giants to go a different direction, as I think the value here is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Zay Flowers, Boston College - 5'10, about 180, we'll see at the combine, right? There's a lot of smaller fast guys, but Flowers has struck me as a player that plays bigger than his size. I love his route-running, and he has great hands. He's quick and fast, is a threat with the ball in his hands. He could be a star in this system, I think he fits it hand-in-glove. BC has had a bad year. But Flowers has been a huge bright spot. Would probably need to use a 2nd round pick on him. This year, 12 games, 1,077 yards on 78 catches and 12 TDs, 13.8 average but a 15.3 career average. He can be an electric punt returner. If there's one receiver in this draft I'm most excited about in terms of potential draft value and team fit, Flowers is it. I comp him a little to Jaylen Waddle. I'm not saying he's going to be Jaylen Waddle, but size, speed, and play style are similar.

Rashee Rice, SMU - 6'1, about 190. Another guy that I think plays bigger. Also has some explosion to his game, really competitive at the catch point, where his play strength jumps off for me. Big production this year at SMU: 96-1355-10. This is your possible Stefon Diggs. Third round consideration if you miss on Flowers, but a second round pick here is not out of the question.

Jacob Cowing, Arizona - 5'11, 170. Cowing is quick and fast, really tough cover. Excellent production, 85-1034-7 this season. More of a 4th or 5th round consideration, another player to fill the role I envision Flowers in. Fun to watch with his wiggle/YAC ability in the open field. Kind of reminds me a little of Emmanuel Sanders.

Johnny Wilson, Florida State - 6-7, 235. Really outside the box and not at all like the receivers above him. But Wilson is obviously huge and I think the creative offensive minds of Daboll and Kafka could take advantage of his mismatch ability. The size and speed combo is intriguing. Underutilized at FSU, with a 35-695-5 line in 12 games, but he's just a redshirt sophomore in his first year with FSU; an Arizona transfer. Big play receiver that has averaged 19.9 per catch. I don't know if he can bulk up and be a Kelce-like weapon, not sure the route-running and the football instincts are there, but he's young and his best football is probably still ahead of him. But as a late round flyer? I think he would stick and if he can learn the finer points of the position and to use his size a little more to his advantage, it's fun to imagine what he could do in this regime.

There's certainly other names I haven't even begun to study yet, and won't really get into it until draft season. Schoen's background in Buffalo with Beane saw them seek value in the middle rounds of the draft at the position. Beane's first draft with Buffalo was 2018, and here's what they did for the position in five drafts:

2018:

Ray-Ray McCloud - 6th round
Austin Proehl - 7th round

2020:

Gabriel Davis - 4th round
Isaiah Hodges - 6th round

2021:

Marquez Stevenson - 6th round

2022:

Khalil Shakir - 5th round

That's the whole list.

So there's no premium picks at the position. Obviously, Schoen just used a 2nd round pick for a receiver in this draft, and given how that's worked out so far, it obviously remains a pressing need. But I'd bet against a first round pick being used to address it. Another second? Possible.

I hope to see a second or third being spent here, obviously with the value needing to be there, and another pick later, but as soon as the 5th.

So I'd like to see two free agents and two draft picks to overhaul the group, and if I came into 2023 with Meyers, Noah Brown, Zay Flowers/Rice and a Cowing, perhaps a Wilson or any number of other guys, throw in a healthy Wan'Dale at some point and the returnees I mentioned, and there's an opportunity for a strong unit in 2023, where, true to the nature of this team, the sum is greater than its parts. The names might not blow you away, but I'd be happy with that. Throw in OBJ, and you could have an something even better.
In the Jarvis Landry section  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 3:44 pm : link
Didn't finish my thought...meant to say not sure when we'd be able to count on Wan'Dale Robinson next year.
we need to draft at least 2 WRs this spring  
jnoble : 12/1/2022 4:04 pm : link
One with the first pick and another one maybe with our extra 3rd or in the 4th. And again maybe a third one at the end of the draft in the 7th if anyone with value is still there. And then sign at least one or two good free agents who won't break the bank.

I think they should hold onto Slayton though and not cut him.

Also, maybe they could draft another good TE if someone of value is still available in the 5th or 6th to go along with Bellinger
I don’t see any way  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/1/2022 4:15 pm : link
That WR is a position of strength next year unless they trade for an established #1 WR. It’s extremely rare to get a #1 WR in the draft right out of the gate especially where the Giants will be picking one.
Building castles in the air.  
NBGblue : 12/1/2022 4:18 pm : link
Don't see it happening. Gonna need a few years for the rebuild to take shape.
You let Slayton go, but  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:23 pm : link
keep Sills because he can block? How about keep Slayton because he is fast and makes some plays.
RE: we need to draft at least 2 WRs this spring  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15928252 jnoble said:
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One with the first pick and another one maybe with our extra 3rd or in the 4th. And again maybe a third one at the end of the draft in the 7th if anyone with value is still there. And then sign at least one or two good free agents who won't break the bank.

I think they should hold onto Slayton though and not cut him.

Also, maybe they could draft another good TE if someone of value is still available in the 5th or 6th to go along with Bellinger


Well in terms of the first round, again, I don't think the background draft philosophy Schoen comes from supports that, not to say it's impossible. If the value is there, sure. Couple that with the plan on where they might go in there QB plan, it's cloudy. But let's just assume that DJ is extended for argument's sake, I would bet more that Schoen would put a premium on CB in this draft than receiver in the first round. I could also see another DL added.

So in terms of how I expect them to approach the first, it's CB, DL, with QB in the mix if they can get a guy they envision to be a franchise QB. In Buffalo, obviously with two picks in the 2018 draft they got Josh Allen and went linebacker with Tremaine Edmunds, but it was DL in 2019 in the first (Ed Oliver), and their first pick in 2020, while it was in the 2nd round, DL in AJ Epenesa, then 2021 they used their first two picks (1st and 2nd round) on DL in Greg Rousseau and Boogie Basham. That was all with Schoen as the top Beane lieutenant, so a heavy emphasis was put there.

Even with the drafting of Thibodeaux, there's still enough questions on that defensive front that can be addressed. They will soon have to plan for a post-Leonard Williams' world, and they really don't have much outside of him and Dexter Lawrence anyway, and they need to extend the latter. I don't even think they'd sit on what they have at Edge if the opportunity was there to get a big-time disruptor.

None of this is to say that Schoen will do the same things Beane has done while they were together, but I do think it's a hint into the team building philosophy and how premium picks might be allocated positionally.
RE: You let Slayton go, but  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 4:36 pm : link
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keep Sills because he can block? How about keep Slayton because he is fast and makes some plays.


Did you stop reading there?

I'm getting all kinds of fast guys that can make plays. Slayton, dollar for dollar, doesn't give me anything I can't get from Justin Watson. And I respect Slayton, but for the same money, and it would unlikely be the same money, I'd pay less, I'd rather have Justin Watson.
You can get run stuffing  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:36 pm : link
DL later in the draft(or UDFA or low level FA). But a balls to the wall ILB or two would be nice.
RE: RE: You let Slayton go, but  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15928298 allstarjim said:
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keep Sills because he can block? How about keep Slayton because he is fast and makes some plays.



Did you stop reading there?

I'm getting all kinds of fast guys that can make plays. Slayton, dollar for dollar, doesn't give me anything I can't get from Justin Watson. And I respect Slayton, but for the same money, and it would unlikely be the same money, I'd pay less, I'd rather have Justin Watson.


Why would you keep Sills over Slayton - that is my point. Slayton is not getting big money. Ok, if he does you let both go. There should be no place on this team for Sills and if there is, then they did not improve at WR.
RE: RE: RE: You let Slayton go, but  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 4:58 pm : link
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keep Sills because he can block? How about keep Slayton because he is fast and makes some plays.



Did you stop reading there?

I'm getting all kinds of fast guys that can make plays. Slayton, dollar for dollar, doesn't give me anything I can't get from Justin Watson. And I respect Slayton, but for the same money, and it would unlikely be the same money, I'd pay less, I'd rather have Justin Watson.



Why would you keep Sills over Slayton - that is my point. Slayton is not getting big money. Ok, if he does you let both go. There should be no place on this team for Sills and if there is, then they did not improve at WR.


Sills would be bottom roster guy, he's a culture fit, and he would play for the league minimum, has a skill set I value for basically nothing, I can cut him preseason if I want at no cost, and he's easy to retain because he's an ERFA, and he doesn't do anything on my team except be bottom depth and occasionally situational blocker in the rare case he's activated if he makes the team.

You understand there's a difference between Sills, an ERFA who will cost me nothing more than league min, who I said isn't a priority, and Slayton, who's a unrestricted free agent...perhaps you overlooked when I wrote: " It should be noted none of the guys above would be guaranteed a roster spot."

Slayton, while he wouldn't cost a lot, would still cost more than what I'd want to pay for what he brings to the table. You don't re-sign a guy like Slayton hitting UFA, who I'm replacing with cheaper alternatives who are at least as good.

What do you think Slayton will make? 1 year, $3 million on the low side? Still more than I'd want to pay for him. Both Sills and Slayton would be at the bottom of my roster in my receiver room rebuild...one has no downside to keep in terms of dollars, and I can cut him with no pain.

The other I have replaced with several players that do the exact same thing as him, probably better, and are younger and cheaper. This isn't hard.

Slayton is replaceable, so is Sills. I'm not sure why Sills is the big hang up, it's not like I'm guaranteeing him a spot. He's just a guy to come back to compete, someone I'd offer a league min tender to.
RE: we need to draft at least 2 WRs this spring  
Payasdaddy : 12/1/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15928252 jnoble said:
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One with the first pick and another one maybe with our extra 3rd or in the 4th. And again maybe a third one at the end of the draft in the 7th if anyone with value is still there. And then sign at least one or two good free agents who won't break the bank.

I think they should hold onto Slayton though and not cut him.
there should be some value at wr where we pick (16-21 ish)
but I wouldnt force it 2 in top 4 rds for sure though
heck, it could be 3 in the first 5 rds wr room frickin barren
If SS want a vet min 1 yr deal, give him another shot too
cant help liking guy and what he brings to locker room
Also, maybe they could draft another good TE if someone of value is still available in the 5th or 6th to go along with Bellinger
Section  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 5:03 pm : link
If I executed this plan, I'd have 8 or 9 guys in that group back in a Giants uni breaking camp, and that's not counting UDFAs or street FAs. Obviously, not all of them are going to make the 53-man, you picked a guy at the very bottom of that 8 or 9 to nitpick me about who'd be probably the most likely candidate to be cut out of the group. And he'd have nothing to do with the decision on Slayton.
Slayton/Sills  
clatterbuck : 12/1/2022 5:12 pm : link
Disagree, Slayton has speed, makes plays. Not a number 1 but has shown he has value. He's taken advantage of the oportunity second half of this season after being buried earlier in the year. Sills' blocking ability doesn't merit taking up a slot. He is what he is -- a good-effort practice squad player.
Appreciate the work OP  
Metnut : 12/1/2022 5:12 pm : link
but one nit is that the contracts the UFA WRs are going to get are going to be drastically higher than your estimates. Did you see what Christian Kirk got last year? The WR position is crucially important and UFA WRs get paid big.
RE: Slayton/Sills  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 5:27 pm : link
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Disagree, Slayton has speed, makes plays. Not a number 1 but has shown he has value. He's taken advantage of the oportunity second half of this season after being buried earlier in the year. Sills' blocking ability doesn't merit taking up a slot. He is what he is -- a good-effort practice squad player.


I can't pay Slayton UFA dollars to be my 7th receiver.

Even without OBJ, if my receiver room starts with Jakobi Meyers, Noah Brown, Wan'Dale, then I sign a Justin Watson, and I have a 2nd round rookie in Zay Flowers who I expect to play a lot, all of the remaining guys are going to be league minimum guys. Sills would stand to make somewhere between $600-$700K next season.

Slayton would likely land a deal for at least several times that much. He wouldn't be brought back for a significant role. We can disagree if you think Slayton, even making $3 million would be a wise expenditure. I'm replacing the role he is currently forced to fill with a veteran player who is more well-rounded, and the back-up role he was supposed to feel is going to go to a player younger and cheaper with more longterm upside. That's it.

Sills' role would be to try to make the team making less than three-quarters of a million dollars. If it makes you happy, I could just as easily cut him as he's not critical to the plan. But he is an ERFA, it costs very little to keep him around for camp competition. You can't say that about Slayton. FFS already, I am not cutting Slayton to keep Sills. My top 4 guys are not going to be Slayton or Sills. But Slayton will get paid too much to be my 5th receiver.

RE: Appreciate the work OP  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15928325 Metnut said:
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but one nit is that the contracts the UFA WRs are going to get are going to be drastically higher than your estimates. Did you see what Christian Kirk got last year? The WR position is crucially important and UFA WRs get paid big.


They were mostly pulled from Spotrac market analysis, and I think they do a pretty good job. For Noah Brown, they did not have a market analysis, so I guessed. That said, I think a $6 mil AAV would be aggressive for him. He's a fifth year player who has a career high 28 catches on the season. It's very likely I grossly overshot his market value, but I like him to compete for a starting receiver spot.

All of the guys after Meyers and Smith-Schuster are going to be low-cost additions given their limited NFL résumés. But they are guys I think have hidden value in the skills they offer.
As for Jarvis Landry  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 5:43 pm : link
He's getting paid $3 million this year. I'd add him or someone similar for no more than that money. I don't think he'd get more than that this year as he hasn't raised his market value this year from last season and he'll play next year at 31. I think there's a chance at a small increase, maybe $3.3, but that difference isn't significant enough to be a point of discussion.
No need to read after you said you would cut Slayon, the Giants best  
Jack Stroud : 12/1/2022 6:04 pm : link
wr!
RE: No need to read after you said you would cut Slayon, the Giants best  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 8:39 pm : link
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wr!


Yay for the tallest midget!

This is not a qualification for another contract.
RE: No need to read after you said you would cut Slayon, the Giants best  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 9:01 pm : link
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Also, you didn't read I would cut Slayton, because he's an unrestricted free agent after this year. How about you tell us what kind of free agent offer you would give him?
RE: RE: No need to read after you said you would cut Slayon, the Giants best  
uconngiant : 12/1/2022 9:41 pm : link
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Also, you didn't read I would cut Slayton, because he's an unrestricted free agent after this year. How about you tell us what kind of free agent offer you would give him?



Slayton is a good blocker as well and would be no worse than a number 3 Wr, not a number 7 as you state.
Wan Dale might not be back until the middle of next year and if you are counting on Sills then you are delusional. Johnson might come back but the Giants need more than a pick or two and a FA.
OBJ is damaged goods ...  
Manny in CA : 12/1/2022 10:05 pm : link

Two ACLs. If he was whole, I'd think about it. We have another player who came here broken, (Golladay), don't need another.

How are you gonna pay OBJ ? With the money you save by runnin' Slayton out of town ? Come on, man !
RE: OBJ is damaged goods ...  
allstarjim : 12/1/2022 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15928472 Manny in CA said:
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Two ACLs. If he was whole, I'd think about it. We have another player who came here broken, (Golladay), don't need another.

How are you gonna pay OBJ ? With the money you save by runnin' Slayton out of town ? Come on, man !


Again, Slayton is a free agent. OBJ is unlikely to make more than $8 mil per, I doubt even that much. I'm thinking closer to half that but incentives that can get him closer to the $8 mil figure, but very limited on guaranteed money.

The money is not a stumbling block in signing OBJ, not by a longshot.
Gosh..I like Slayton but he isn't anything special  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/1/2022 11:10 pm : link
it's not like we would be cutting him. But because he is a FA, we would likely pay market value. I've seen him drop enough balls to know he isn't worth more than a good rookie.
Not that Sills is better, but he probably has no value to any team other than us. You re-sign him only if no other team picks him up.
RE: RE: RE: No need to read after you said you would cut Slayon, the Giants best  
allstarjim : 12/2/2022 1:14 am : link
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Also, you didn't read I would cut Slayton, because he's an unrestricted free agent after this year. How about you tell us what kind of free agent offer you would give him?




Slayton is a good blocker as well and would be no worse than a number 3 Wr, not a number 7 as you state.
Wan Dale might not be back until the middle of next year and if you are counting on Sills then you are delusional. Johnson might come back but the Giants need more than a pick or two and a FA.


These takes are so strange. It's so clear you got to a very early point and immediately posted a knee-jerk reaction. If you bothered reading more than the very beginning of the post, you'd realize your reply is nonsensical and idiotic.

Nobody is counting on Sills. The plan included several free agent signings...one to two medium priced free agents and several low-cost free agents, as well as two draft picks.

In terms of Slayton, he wasn't even considered a #4 in the early part of this year. A three? Likely not on a good offense. And certainly not as a 5th year free agent who will be a vested veteran next season.

He's high on the depth chart now, sure, after several Giants' receivers went on IR and they traded Toney. And that was a bad group to begin with. If you think the Giants turn around the wide receiver group with the same guys that are here, you are the delusional one. All year I've heard that you can't blame DJ for the less than mediocre passing game in large part because these receivers are so sub-par. Now we need Slayton to return in free agency? No. Giants' receivers rank 24th in receptions, 26th in yards, and 29th in TDs. This is a unit in need of an overhaul. Slayton is an ok player. It's not a knock on him. He has some good traits, and perhaps someone will take a gamble on him. But since my plan involves signing better players to start, and filling in with cheaper free agents with better overall skillset and more upside, as well as cost-controlled draft picks to come in and compete for a few spots after my priority free agents and premium draft pick, it makes no sense to tender Slayton a deal.

He is not a critical player to re-sign. And I can say with almost certainty that on week 1 of 2023, he will not be on the active roster for the New York Giants. I think that bothers some of you a lot.
allstar  
BillT : 12/2/2022 8:06 am : link
Like you approach here with the FA signings. Get a medium priced WR who can reliably fill the #2 spot plus another couple to fill in after that. (BTW, I think a similar type FA TE as well.) But that still leaves getting a #1. I think draft wise you may see at WR what we saw at OL last year. Something like a 1, 3, and 5. This is the priority position to upgrade like the OL was last year. I think the approach will be similar.
Nice effort ASJ  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2022 9:49 am : link
I would treat Wandale as a bonus if he makes it back to 100% and treat it like he won't. I don't like assumptions.

I have long felt there are ample WR's throughout the draft. More athletes have been playing WR now at lower levels and high schools and later colleges are throwing far more often. This has been for at least 10-15 years.

So some FA like you suggest and depending on draft value strike accordingly in the draft.
RE: allstar  
allstarjim : 12/2/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15928544 BillT said:
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Like you approach here with the FA signings. Get a medium priced WR who can reliably fill the #2 spot plus another couple to fill in after that. (BTW, I think a similar type FA TE as well.) But that still leaves getting a #1. I think draft wise you may see at WR what we saw at OL last year. Something like a 1, 3, and 5. This is the priority position to upgrade like the OL was last year. I think the approach will be similar.


Yeah Bill, I actually like Zay Flowers as the #1. He's unreal. I'm a little concerned about physical frame with respect to durability, but his movement skills, agility, speed, quickness, all are going to grade out really high when you see these draft reports. His agility reminds me of a receiver from FSU named Peter Warrick who just made guys look silly.

If we're lucky enough to get Flowers, you guys are going to love him, and I think Daboll and Kafka really would get stoked to game plan with him.
RE: Nice effort ASJ  
allstarjim : 12/2/2022 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15928605 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I would treat Wandale as a bonus if he makes it back to 100% and treat it like he won't. I don't like assumptions.

I have long felt there are ample WR's throughout the draft. More athletes have been playing WR now at lower levels and high schools and later colleges are throwing far more often. This has been for at least 10-15 years.

So some FA like you suggest and depending on draft value strike accordingly in the draft.


Yeah I agree. I think at some point next season he'll be back, but let's face it, with his frame, it's always going to be a concern with durability.

I did float the idea of Landry joining the Giants to solidify the slot while Wan'Dale is on the mend.

If OBJ signs, I think that's a lot less likely, despite them being good friends.

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