I’m blown away by how quiet and secretive the giants have been with this visit given the media attention it has had. While Jerry is publicly licking the Beckham lolly pop, the giants have stay mostly quiet about and we haven’t heard a peep about today other than speculation.
Has anyone seen or heard any news of the visit? I’m guessing some people don’t want him but you are a different person when you get to your 30’s and have a child. It changes your perspective and I personally would love the signing given the state of our wr Corp and the sorry group of FAs in 2023.
Thoughts?
nyg rolling out red carpet and obj likes that
obj likes communication flow w/ nyg, appreciated how they handled plane incident
obj wants to be somewhere he wants to live for multiple years
contract is a factor (duh)
team situations could be factor - qbs, supporting cast, role, etc
based on dallas cap situation and having both gallup/lamb soon to be on big deals it would seemingly take some contorting for them to go multiple years but who knows. they do crazy stuff sometimes.
the big question is how much is nyg willing to offer? 9/10 the biggest offer wins and they have the most future cap room but do they want to tap in to it?
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To add to that, Ranaan said it was expected that his schedule be like a typical draftee/free agent schedule. Thursday would be a meet and greet dinner type night followed by the physical Friday.
There must be reasons for it, but it surprising how much time is being wasted. He was cleared to play before Thanksgiving.
Your opinion and noting more.
The G-Men can use a wide out and he would fit the bill and help Slayton and Bellinger
I would not be surprised to read he has signed for the Cowboys in the slightest.
Jerry World...
.. it surprising how much time is being wasted. He was cleared to play before Thanksgiving.
False, he was not cleared to play? Who cleared him to play? Which team doctor? HIS doctor?
Also what time is being wasted? The longer this goes, the closer he gets to actually being able to play. Nobody wants to pay him game checks to nurse an injury without knowing that he can play this season.
I would not be surprised to read he has signed for the Cowboys in the slightest.
Jerry World...
I was thinking the same thing…
He also doesn't need the Cowboys and the Cowboys don't need him. It's that simple.
Also, Jerry falls in love with players but has to be reigned in by his son and GM. Kind of like what happened with Manziel.
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OBJ's Giants visit is taking place this evening + expects to stretch into Friday. Key w/his free agency will be how much teams are willing to guarantee next yr. Considering WR market was bananas this year serves him no purpose to rush back in Dec. w/o significant $$$ for next yr.
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OBJ's Giants visit is taking place this evening + expects to stretch into Friday. Key w/his free agency will be how much teams are willing to guarantee next yr. Considering WR market was bananas this year serves him no purpose to rush back in Dec. w/o significant $$$ for next yr.
Don’t get this logic. He could (should?) take a vet min deal to prove he still has the ability to play. That would bolster him as a FA for this offseason, no?
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OBJ's Giants visit is taking place this evening + expects to stretch into Friday. Key w/his free agency will be how much teams are willing to guarantee next yr. Considering WR market was bananas this year serves him no purpose to rush back in Dec. w/o significant $$$ for next yr.
Don’t get this logic. He could (should?) take a vet min deal to prove he still has the ability to play. That would bolster him as a FA for this offseason, no?
From obj perspective why play if people will pay you on speculation. If he gets that 2nd year guaranteed then gets hurt on 1st play he gets that 2nd year money.
If he takes the min salary that is what 200k for a few games and then he gets hurt he loses that 2nd year which could be millions.
Thus why play when a 200k gamble for millions.
I am neither for this or against this but watching highlights of him.. he does something none of our receivers do... he catches with his hands.
even if he returns to 75% he raises the level of WR's here.
This might even motivate and get Kenny Golladay's head back in the game. With Slayton and the kid from Buffalo his name escapes me at the moment.. the possibility of turning this group from low performers to something that might make defenses have to play the pass too? Giving Barkley some holes...
One could dream..
Because in retrospect, he may have been worth the drama when you consider what our WR situation has looked like ever since.
he lacks breakaway speed? fast forward to 1:35 on these highlights and watch him blow by 2 green bay defenders.
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so let me get this straight. yall hate our current WR group. we have an opportunity to improve that group this year and possible next year, if he wants a longer term deal. and you say NOPE?!!
yall wild
If they sign OBJ to a multi year deal, I think Jones is staying.
If they offer OBJ a 1 year prove it, I think he declines and they are not clear on Jones at all.
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Aren't the odds of coming back from that steep? Also, are we winning anything this year? If he would be a rental for this year, fine. Let's see if we can make the playoffs etc. But, if we have to sign him through next year--it is the biggest no thanks I can ever think of.
so let me get this straight. yall hate our current WR group. we have an opportunity to improve that group this year and possible next year, if he wants a longer term deal. and you say NOPE?!!
yall wild
we could have a better upgrade for next year instead of overpaying for a guy who is coming off his second ACL. Why would we tie up money for next season--it makes no sense.
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If they sign OBJ to a multi year deal, I think Jones is staying.
If they offer OBJ a 1 year prove it, I think he declines and they are not clear on Jones at all.
If the Bills and Cowboys are really interested in him and both are legitimate contenders, someone will give him the second year--which is understandable given that they should both go for it this year. We have no business paying a second year for what should only be a rental. So, my point is if the Bills and Cowboys are interested OBJ is going to get the second year that he wants.
I think a lot depends on how badly he wants to be here.
Pay him decent for the remainder of this year and if he wants to take an incentive based nice deal for next with some guaranteed money then I’d be creative and do it. If he’s open to that kind of deal, great. If he wants a big guarantee and is all about cashing in for next season then I’d pass.
Obviously this all is based on him being healthy now as far as this year goes.
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If they sign OBJ to a multi year deal, I think Jones is staying.
If they offer OBJ a 1 year prove it, I think he declines and they are not clear on Jones at all.
If the Bills and Cowboys are really interested in him and both are legitimate contenders, someone will give him the second year--which is understandable given that they should both go for it this year. We have no business paying a second year for what should only be a rental. So, my point is if the Bills and Cowboys are interested OBJ is going to get the second year that he wants.
I see this the other way, those teams are loaded at WR, younger faster players that they want to lockup. Giants have no one to keep, just players to shed. DAL/BUF just want that one year deal, they will offer the championship as the carrot. Not saying they will do it but the Giants are really the ones with the 2nd year in play.
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Aren't the odds of coming back from that steep? Also, are we winning anything this year? If he would be a rental for this year, fine. Let's see if we can make the playoffs etc. But, if we have to sign him through next year--it is the biggest no thanks I can ever think of.
so let me get this straight. yall hate our current WR group. we have an opportunity to improve that group this year and possible next year, if he wants a longer term deal. and you say NOPE?!!
yall wild
we could have a better upgrade for next year instead of overpaying for a guy who is coming off his second ACL. Why would we tie up money for next season--it makes no sense.
who's the better upgrade? there's no guarantee that we're going to get who we want in the draft. Eagles screwed us last year.
You still need a veteran WR on the roster next year.
Golladay will be gone.
Sterling Shepard may be gone.
Slayton is an unrestricted free agent, who has played well and will get some looks. I doubt he accepts peanuts from the Giants next year
That leaves us W. Robinson, Sills...nah bruh, we gotta take a chance at getting better
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The guy is a public cheerleader, who does have relationships with the players and is basically used by them to get their stories out. I doubt anyone from the Giants front office is talking to LPG!
If he doesn't work out on the field, then I would strongly question anything other than a prove it deal to bring him in and see what he's got left.
Signing OBJ to anything beyond a vet minimum would be the biggest front office clown move that only Jerry Jones would make.
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but he is keyed in to several people in the organization, and according to what he heard, the visit went "really, really well". Lonk - ( New Window )
The guy is a public cheerleader, who does have relationships with the players and is basically used by them to get their stories out. I doubt anyone from the Giants front office is talking to LPG!
I'm not insinuating this came from the front office, but as you mention, he does have relationships with players and people in the organization. Beckham still friendly with players on the team (Shep and SB obviously), it's not out of the question that something genuine did get back to this guy.
Jakobi Meyers and Slayton are perhaps the only appealing options on the entire list, and Meyers is probably going to get resigned in NE if i were going to guess.
so against this criteria and if healthy signing OBJ could simply be getting a jump on building the 2023 roster - and doing so without having to give out a contract that factors in the comp pick cancellation formula.
whatever you get out of him this year, just 10 months removed from ACL surgery, is probably gravy.
also 1 other note on his ACL surgery, i believe they went in and repaired and fixed an issue from his original surgery. so while i dont think the 2016 version of OBJ is ever coming back there is a chance he's still a productive player going forward as he was for the Rams in their run last year. That player healthy would easily be WR1 of this FA class. Godwin and Gallup both came back this year off ACL injuries in under 12 months and started slow but now started rounding back into form so it's not impossible. but i wouldn't expect OBJ to have much to contribute this year until January. any action he sees in December is likely his ramp up time.
I don't think ANYONE thinks he's "going to be the player he was long ago". The question is will he be better than what we have (possibly) and whether it's worth signing him (big ?). As of right now, I trust Schoen and Daboll to determine those answers.
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OBJ's Giants visit is taking place this evening + expects to stretch into Friday. Key w/his free agency will be how much teams are willing to guarantee next yr. Considering WR market was bananas this year serves him no purpose to rush back in Dec. w/o significant $$$ for next yr.
Anyone expecting Beckham to play at all before January if at all this year is crazy. MAYBE he plays for a team by week 17 or 18. Slightly better odds he plays in January if his new team makes it there.
I think Beckham is more than capable to mentally prep for games if he's healthy enough. He's never been known to fail at playbook knowledge. If he's physically ready he will play late in the year, but it's going to take 2-3 weeks to ramp things up. It's already week 13. He aint playing in week 14-16 there's just no way.
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but he is keyed in to several people in the organization, and according to what he heard, the visit went "really, really well". Lonk - ( New Window )
The guy is a public cheerleader, who does have relationships with the players and is basically used by them to get their stories out. I doubt anyone from the Giants front office is talking to LPG!
Consider maybe OBJ related that to some of the players and that's where LPG got his quote?
Jakobi Meyers and Slayton are perhaps the only appealing options on the entire list, and Meyers is probably going to get resigned in NE if i were going to guess.
so against this criteria and if healthy signing OBJ could simply be getting a jump on building the 2023 roster - and doing so without having to give out a contract that factors in the comp pick cancellation formula.
whatever you get out of him this year, just 10 months removed from ACL surgery, is probably gravy.
also 1 other note on his ACL surgery, i believe they went in and repaired and fixed an issue from his original surgery. so while i dont think the 2016 version of OBJ is ever coming back there is a chance he's still a productive player going forward as he was for the Rams in their run last year. That player healthy would easily be WR1 of this FA class. Godwin and Gallup both came back this year off ACL injuries in under 12 months and started slow but now started rounding back into form so it's not impossible. but i wouldn't expect OBJ to have much to contribute this year until January. any action he sees in December is likely his ramp up time.
Thanks for posting this.
If he is impatient and wants to sign right now, it's possible you can get him at a bargain vs what he would get if he were to just wait until after the season. If they can structure it in a way where he signs for WR2 money on a deal with 2023 guarantees with incentives beyond next year, I can get on board. Similar to how we needed to stabilize the OL with veterans like Glowinski, this WR core will be completely baren next year, you need to stabilize it somehow while you build behind it. Whether OBJ is that veteran guy and that "bargain contract" works out has a lot of volatility though. I do think it's more prudent to shop the third contract WR market instead of second contract market. I don't have any interest in throwing a ton of money at Jakobi Meyers because he's still young, bring in an older vet and build behind them, cost is baked into their age/health. Not every signing needs to be looked at as a core 5+ year guy.