and since it's the same cast of characters, the Yankees will sign big name/big price players from perceived rivals to try to placate the fan base and change the PR disaster, particularly if the feeling is that Hal got cheap, though I'm sure the Yankees will say that they gave everything Judge wanted & he just wanted to go home.
When they lost Pettitte to Houston, they quickly brought in Kevin Brown and Javy Vazquez.
When Cano left, they signed Ellsbury to take him away from Boston
I would imagine they will go after Verlander, sign one of Bogaerts/Turner/Corea. Make a splashy trade.
and since it's the same cast of characters, the Yankees will sign big name/big price players from perceived rivals to try to placate the fan base and change the PR disaster, particularly if the feeling is that Hal got cheap, though I'm sure the Yankees will say that they gave everything Judge wanted & he just wanted to go home.
When they lost Pettitte to Houston, they quickly brought in Kevin Brown and Javy Vazquez.
When Cano left, they signed Ellsbury to take him away from Boston
I would imagine they will go after Verlander, sign one of Bogaerts/Turner/Corea. Make a splashy trade.
I'd still be shocked if Judge left.
Don't forget, losing out on Ortani got us Stanton. They will probably follow this same pattern. Even though I wish they would make some small moves, enhance the BP and stay with the kids for a year. Then make a run at Soto. But that probably won't happen.
Judge leaves because he wants to play for his childhood team, there is nothing the Yankees can do about it. If they get outbid, that’s a different story.
There has been absolutely no buzz out here as to the possibility of Judge coming to the Giants. There is nothing in the papers, nothing on sports talk radio and no leaks about an impending Giant offer. Interestingly there have been no reports about him visiting the Dodgers. If he and his agent really wanted to stick a hot poker up Cashman's ass, he'd be visiting Boston and Houston. He hasn't done that either. In fact, the latest I heard about Judge is that he's back in New York doing some charity.
There has been absolutely no buzz out here as to the possibility of Judge coming to the Giants. There is nothing in the papers, nothing on sports talk radio and no leaks about an impending Giant offer. Interestingly there have been no reports about him visiting the Dodgers. If he and his agent really wanted to stick a hot poker up Cashman's ass, he'd be visiting Boston and Houston. He hasn't done that either. In fact, the latest I heard about Judge is that he's back in New York doing some charity.
because there is a non-zero chance he doesn't re-sign with the Yankees. This is just how the deal gets done and kudos to his agents.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
And they have an old school manager who steals bases, uses the hit and run and bunts.
There's a difference between use of analytics and slavish devotion to analytics to the point you construct your team for 3 outcome baseball.
And it is even more amazing that a GM who is a devotee of 3 outcome baseball doesn't lock up a power hitting outfielder early and let's him head off to arbitration and then free agency. Brilliant job.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
You know the Phillies have a very complex analytics system and they rely on analytics as well. But, Rob Thompson said himself that the buck stops with him and he makes all final decisions. Boone is an order taker.
Not the analytics that’s the problem. All teams have analytics. The problem is how they are being interpreted. The Yankees analytics think IKF is a very good defensive SS. Anyone who can see know this is wrong.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
And they have an old school manager who steals bases, uses the hit and run and bunts.
There's a difference between use of analytics and slavish devotion to analytics to the point you construct your team for 3 outcome baseball.
And it is even more amazing that a GM who is a devotee of 3 outcome baseball doesn't lock up a power hitting outfielder early and let's him head off to arbitration and then free agency. Brilliant job.
Oh yeah. Just sign Judge “early”. One problem with that. Judge would have to agree to that and sign early. Why the hell would he ever do that? He’s already 31 years old and this is his only chance at free agency. If he’d have signed a team friendly deal earlier to bypass arbitration he wouldn’t get a chance at free agency until his mid 30’s. Comparing Judges situation to players like the Braves signed early is completely asinine. Those guys are all 21, 22 years old.
I don't want Hal or Cashman to do anything major this winter if Judge leaves. That thought process and management style is why IMO Yankee fans are in 10 years plus of Cashman hell.
Regarding the post about Houston using analytics too and it seems to work well for them. I don't know any Yankee fan who thinks using analytics is anything but smart, competitive baseball. The Red Sox, Rays and Astros have used analytics to humiliate the Yankees as far back as 2004. The issue is the people the Yankees have create and utilize those analytics. Hal, Randy Levine, Cashman, Michael Fishman, etc. have become hated by the fan base or laughing stocks based on Yankee fan analytics.
Here a few Yankee fan analytics we can use to analyze the Yankees baseball operation.
Do they spend their MLB salary money, draft capital and Int FA capital smartly and efficiently?
Do they have a cohesive, consistent organizational development philosophy at all levels of their system that produces low cost every day MLB position players or pitchers on a regular basis?
Are they using their MiLB assets to maximum value? Either by trading them at peak value or turning them into everyday players for the Yankees?
Is there accountability at all levels of the organization?
Any Yankee fan who answers yes to any of those questions should be ignored based on the factual track record and results.
I will continue to say it as long as the Yankees maintain the status quo. The Yankees run by baseball idiots. IMO the less they do to try and fix things the better.
If Aaron Judge were to leave and the Yankees were run by smart baseball people I think they would concentrate almost all their efforts into developing their own players.
The excuse is always no one will show up if they Yankees "rebuild". Well guess what no one is going to show up if Aaron Judge leaves. So IMO that's the perfect time to do it.
I will feel bad if any FAs are dumb enough to be the next Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran type consolation prizes. I think I think like those three, their time in NY, unless they perform immediately, will be very unpleasant.
Agree that the analytics interpretation and implementation is way behind the effectiveness of other teams. I get tired of Ca$hman blabbing about analytics usage.
Development (scouting?) of their own players is just off...whether it is their own (draft) or international (look at the Astros, incredible percentage of their better contributors came as international youngsters).
IMO, a 'no' to Verlander. 39 years old, $35-40 mil, a marginal record in the playoffs (16-11), miserable in the WS (1-6, 5.63). Would also not want ANOTHER Astros 'ace' to come here and not perform to Astros level.
Judge, would love to keep him. He is great for baseball and especially the Yankees and their marketing dept. It may be tough to tempt him with money if he 'left his heart in SF'. Have no confidence in front office to pivot and do well filling his shoes.
When they lost Pettitte to Houston, they quickly brought in Kevin Brown and Javy Vazquez.
When Cano left, they signed Ellsbury to take him away from Boston
I would imagine they will go after Verlander, sign one of Bogaerts/Turner/Corea. Make a splashy trade.
I'd still be shocked if Judge left.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
When they lost Pettitte to Houston, they quickly brought in Kevin Brown and Javy Vazquez.
When Cano left, they signed Ellsbury to take him away from Boston
I would imagine they will go after Verlander, sign one of Bogaerts/Turner/Corea. Make a splashy trade.
I'd still be shocked if Judge left.
Don't forget, losing out on Ortani got us Stanton. They will probably follow this same pattern. Even though I wish they would make some small moves, enhance the BP and stay with the kids for a year. Then make a run at Soto. But that probably won't happen.
There should be as much reason to let Judge go as there was with Jeter.
because there is a non-zero chance he doesn't re-sign with the Yankees. This is just how the deal gets done and kudos to his agents.
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And the analytics dweebs.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
There's a difference between use of analytics and slavish devotion to analytics to the point you construct your team for 3 outcome baseball.
And it is even more amazing that a GM who is a devotee of 3 outcome baseball doesn't lock up a power hitting outfielder early and let's him head off to arbitration and then free agency. Brilliant job.
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And the analytics dweebs.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
You know the Phillies have a very complex analytics system and they rely on analytics as well. But, Rob Thompson said himself that the buck stops with him and he makes all final decisions. Boone is an order taker.
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And the analytics dweebs.
You know that the Astros use analytics more than most franchises, right?
And they have an old school manager who steals bases, uses the hit and run and bunts.
There's a difference between use of analytics and slavish devotion to analytics to the point you construct your team for 3 outcome baseball.
And it is even more amazing that a GM who is a devotee of 3 outcome baseball doesn't lock up a power hitting outfielder early and let's him head off to arbitration and then free agency. Brilliant job.
Oh yeah. Just sign Judge “early”. One problem with that. Judge would have to agree to that and sign early. Why the hell would he ever do that? He’s already 31 years old and this is his only chance at free agency. If he’d have signed a team friendly deal earlier to bypass arbitration he wouldn’t get a chance at free agency until his mid 30’s. Comparing Judges situation to players like the Braves signed early is completely asinine. Those guys are all 21, 22 years old.
Regarding the post about Houston using analytics too and it seems to work well for them. I don't know any Yankee fan who thinks using analytics is anything but smart, competitive baseball. The Red Sox, Rays and Astros have used analytics to humiliate the Yankees as far back as 2004. The issue is the people the Yankees have create and utilize those analytics. Hal, Randy Levine, Cashman, Michael Fishman, etc. have become hated by the fan base or laughing stocks based on Yankee fan analytics.
Here a few Yankee fan analytics we can use to analyze the Yankees baseball operation.
Do they spend their MLB salary money, draft capital and Int FA capital smartly and efficiently?
Do they have a cohesive, consistent organizational development philosophy at all levels of their system that produces low cost every day MLB position players or pitchers on a regular basis?
Are they using their MiLB assets to maximum value? Either by trading them at peak value or turning them into everyday players for the Yankees?
Is there accountability at all levels of the organization?
Any Yankee fan who answers yes to any of those questions should be ignored based on the factual track record and results.
I will continue to say it as long as the Yankees maintain the status quo. The Yankees run by baseball idiots. IMO the less they do to try and fix things the better.
If Aaron Judge were to leave and the Yankees were run by smart baseball people I think they would concentrate almost all their efforts into developing their own players.
The excuse is always no one will show up if they Yankees "rebuild". Well guess what no one is going to show up if Aaron Judge leaves. So IMO that's the perfect time to do it.
I will feel bad if any FAs are dumb enough to be the next Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran type consolation prizes. I think I think like those three, their time in NY, unless they perform immediately, will be very unpleasant.
The Braves pick the right players to sign. They are a good judge of their own talent. We aren’t.
Development (scouting?) of their own players is just off...whether it is their own (draft) or international (look at the Astros, incredible percentage of their better contributors came as international youngsters).
IMO, a 'no' to Verlander. 39 years old, $35-40 mil, a marginal record in the playoffs (16-11), miserable in the WS (1-6, 5.63). Would also not want ANOTHER Astros 'ace' to come here and not perform to Astros level.
Judge, would love to keep him. He is great for baseball and especially the Yankees and their marketing dept. It may be tough to tempt him with money if he 'left his heart in SF'. Have no confidence in front office to pivot and do well filling his shoes.