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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/2/2022 1:31 pm
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Getting off the practice field just now. RB Jerick McKinnon (hamstring) back to work with his helmet. WR Kadarius Toney (hamstring) the only player missing.

Andy Reid talks in an hour'ish.
NO. WAY.  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2022 1:35 pm : link
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WAY!  
Jints in Carolina : 12/2/2022 1:37 pm : link
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LOL  
ZogZerg : 12/2/2022 1:37 pm : link
No surprise
Schoen plucked Reid  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2022 1:39 pm : link
like a chicken.
This makes perfect sense  
Chris684 : 12/2/2022 1:40 pm : link
There is nothing that should have changed in this equation moving from NYG to KC.
Is our compensation guaranteed?  
RELICDOA : 12/2/2022 1:41 pm : link
I thought it was conditional?
RE: Is our compensation guaranteed?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/2/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15928887 RELICDOA said:
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I thought it was conditional?


It's not conditional.
he played and scored a TD  
mattlawson : 12/2/2022 1:43 pm : link
gimmie those pix
Why does anyone still care?  
BH28 : 12/2/2022 1:43 pm : link
He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.
People should be a bit more sympathetic.  
Daniel in Kentucky : 12/2/2022 1:47 pm : link
Hopefully Kelce will soon wrap up his quest to find out why  
Mad Mike : 12/2/2022 1:47 pm : link
we let him go, and he can move on to helping OJ find the real killer. Tackle all the great mysteries of our time.
RE: Why does anyone still care?  
jvm52106 : 12/2/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15928890 BH28 said:
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He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.


What? There are plenty here who still feel that he got a raw deal and some even openly (maybe you are to a degree too, not sure) push a racist motive narrative for some people about not liking him.

The updates are quite warranted as the dude's behavior clearly wasn't tied to some unreal expectation by the Giants and that behavior has carried over to KC.
RE: Why does anyone still care?  
The_Taxman89_10 : 12/2/2022 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15928890 BH28 said:
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He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.


This^^^.

Toney was an absolute turd who gave two shits about football. He's been gone for months. Ostensibly, he's been gone even longer than the trade. I don't get why people care about a player who most likely won't be in the league within 2 years. Good riddance.
RE: Why does anyone still care?  
japanhead : 12/2/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15928890 BH28 said:
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He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.


i don't really care but it is funny/gratifying to see, so i appreciate the updates.
RE: Hopefully Kelce will soon wrap up his quest to find out why  
Chris in Philly : 12/2/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15928896 Mad Mike said:
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we let him go, and he can move on to helping OJ find the real killer. Tackle all the great mysteries of our time.


A+
RE: Hopefully Kelce will soon wrap up his quest to find out why  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15928896 Mad Mike said:
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we let him go, and he can move on to helping OJ find the real killer. Tackle all the great mysteries of our time.

I'm dead.
Honestly.. who cares???  
Rick in Dallas : 12/2/2022 1:59 pm : link
BBI needs to move on!!!
RE: Honestly.. who cares???  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15928907 Rick in Dallas said:
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BBI needs to move on!!!


Never!

2nd year player is prone to injury  
djm : 12/2/2022 2:21 pm : link
and new regime trades that player away. Injuries follow that player still in his 2nd year.

Not that much of a shock.
Rarely does a leopard change its spots..........  
GiantBlue : 12/2/2022 2:43 pm : link
I thought Mahomes would have talked to Toney about his motivation to play....I guess they took him sight unseen.

LOL
Kadarius Toney  
chick310 : 12/2/2022 2:48 pm : link
Codename: MIA
Yung Joka hammy no play today  
BocaGene : 12/2/2022 3:13 pm : link
Visualize Ricky Henderson as you read that. Difference is Ricky is HOF, KT not so much.
if you think about it Toney is only on the field for  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/2/2022 3:16 pm : link
10% of the games/practices/otas each season

a third and the 6th = 10% of a first -- good deal for both parties
Is it professional  
giantBCP : 12/2/2022 3:19 pm : link
for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.
RE: Is our compensation guaranteed?  
bronxct1 : 12/2/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15928887 RELICDOA said:
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I thought it was conditional?


Not conditional, it was KC's comp pick so people got the terms mixed up.
He is listening to his body  
averagejoe : 12/2/2022 3:35 pm : link
Translation : The trainer has cleared him to play but he refuses. His constant injuries are always minor and hard to detect....lol.....

What is the over/under for when KC flushes this turd ???
Expect little from him  
JonC : 12/2/2022 3:35 pm : link
until his contract year ...
RE: Is it professional  
averagejoe : 12/2/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:
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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.


Lighten up Francis. It was an injury update .
RE: Is it professional  
FranknWeezer : 12/2/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:
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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.


Commenting on him  
River Mike : 12/2/2022 3:44 pm : link
doesn't mean we haven't moved on, or that we "care". It was a trade, and we often on this fanboard discuss how the trade is working out ... did we make the right move, did we hurt ourselves, did our GM get bamboozled, were we mistaken about him, etc. It's typical fan board stuff, not a pathology.
Look, some people were insistent that trading him was this huge error  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2022 3:49 pm : link
And that he would suddenly turn into Jerry Rice for the Chiefs. Given that, yes, I'm going to laugh every time about Toney pulling the same bullshit in KC.
shocking  
Victor in CT : 12/2/2022 3:52 pm : link
positively shocking
RE: He is listening to his body  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15928997 averagejoe said:
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Translation : The trainer has cleared him to play but he refuses. His constant injuries are always minor and hard to detect....lol.....

What is the over/under for when KC flushes this turd ???


I think all of Toney's "injuries" were soft tissue injuries?
RE: Why does anyone still care?  
thefan : 12/2/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15928890 BH28 said:
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He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.



I'm salty over it. I care.
I think it's perfectly logical to be "salty"  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2022 4:00 pm : link
Because the Giants are absolutely desperate for receivers and this guy forced his way off the team midseason. Weak sauce.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2022 4:11 pm : link
Fragile AF.
RE: Is it professional  
chick310 : 12/2/2022 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:
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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.


Don’t be sore just because fans criticize your former employer
RE: I think it's perfectly logical to be  
map7711 : 12/2/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15929026 Greg from LI said:
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Because the Giants are absolutely desperate for receivers and this guy forced his way off the team midseason. Weak sauce.


This 100%. We wasted a #1 pick on him. And then he did NOTHING here and half assed it the whole way. He never seemed to give a shit. So yes, screw him.
RE: RE: Is it professional  
giantBCP : 12/2/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15929037 chick310 said:
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In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:


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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.



Don’t be sore just because fans criticize your former employer


Shhhhh
RE: RE: I think it's perfectly logical to be  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15929043 map7711 said:
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In comment 15929026 Greg from LI said:


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Because the Giants are absolutely desperate for receivers and this guy forced his way off the team midseason. Weak sauce.



This 100%. We wasted a #1 pick on him. And then he did NOTHING here and half assed it the whole way. He never seemed to give a shit. So yes, screw him.


I think he wants work life balance like Tom Brady.
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RicFlair : 12/2/2022 4:32 pm : link
Be salty  
JonC : 12/2/2022 4:51 pm : link
just be sure your frustration is on the player who earned his way out.
If you don't think coverage of a traded 1st round pick  
mattlawson : 12/2/2022 4:57 pm : link
in the same season is relevant to football discussion and the Giants - I really don't know why you'd be a member of a forum such as this.
I love the fact  
Nephilim : 12/2/2022 5:09 pm : link
That there are still a few posters showing up to defend Toney on this and the other Toney injury update threads. Why do you some of you feel a sense of protection towards him
I rather have had Parsons  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/2/2022 5:44 pm : link
Last year and Neal this year
RE: Hopefully Kelce will soon wrap up his quest to find out why  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15928896 Mad Mike said:
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we let him go, and he can move on to helping OJ find the real killer. Tackle all the great mysteries of our time.


Like Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I find the whole thing hilarious  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/2/2022 6:37 pm : link
The prior regime screwed the situation up from the start. I also find it funny that there were a group on here screaming how could they dump a first round pick when they are dying for WRs. I think that the fact they dumped him and he still can't stay healthy shows on Toney not the current Giants FO
Does he still have tatoo?  
Matt123 : 12/2/2022 6:43 pm : link
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Injurious Proney strikes again  
Hammer : 12/2/2022 6:57 pm : link
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Friend brought up a great point today  
Shecky : 12/2/2022 7:24 pm : link
When a guy pulls a hammy, it’s one of those injuries that are always obvious. Some guys hop, some guys sorta limp a little, others grab at it. But it’s almost always obvious the exact moment it happens.

Also, depending on the severity from cramp to a pull to a full tear, guys miss a game to a month.

Yet with Toney, he’s had how many hamstring injuries so far? And I can’t recall more than once seeing him and saying “yup, that’s a hammy”. AND he’s always out for way longer than most are for the same injury…

Just…. Oddd. Isn’t it?
I’d love for this to be a weekly sticky  
bwitz : 12/2/2022 7:50 pm : link
Only for the sheer fact that it bothers people.
RE: Friend brought up a great point today  
BigBlueShock : 12/2/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15929169 Shecky said:
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When a guy pulls a hammy, it’s one of those injuries that are always obvious. Some guys hop, some guys sorta limp a little, others grab at it. But it’s almost always obvious the exact moment it happens.

Also, depending on the severity from cramp to a pull to a full tear, guys miss a game to a month.

Yet with Toney, he’s had how many hamstring injuries so far? And I can’t recall more than once seeing him and saying “yup, that’s a hammy”. AND he’s always out for way longer than most are for the same injury…

Just…. Oddd. Isn’t it?

I mean, the last hammy injury he had with the Giants he apparently got during a walk through practice. Allegedly. Tells you all you need to know about that guy…
What grabbed my attention is that Toney is the ONLY  
BigBlueNH : 12/2/2022 10:18 pm : link
player missing practice for KC this week. And then look at our injury report. Depressing.
What do Vegans and people who don’t want Toney threads  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/2/2022 10:37 pm : link
Have in common? Two groups who just don’t get that th rest of us don’t care what you do but can not give the same courtesy. Don’t open the thread. W and the. To post to tell others to move on? Lol. Then again maybe they are vegans and KT fans. Would explain a lot.

I think reading the word HAMstring might trigger them.
RE: RE: Why does anyone still care?  
Red Right Hand : 12/3/2022 2:46 am : link
In comment 15928901 The_Taxman89_10 said:
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In comment 15928890 BH28 said:


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He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.



This^^^.

Toney was an absolute turd who gave two shits about football. He's been gone for months. Ostensibly, he's been gone even longer than the trade. I don't get why people care about a player who most likely won't be in the league within 2 years. Good riddance.
If you don't get it, maybe that's a you thing. It's not for lack of explanation. Most are quite willing to explain why, and do.
RE: Honestly.. who cares???  
Red Right Hand : 12/3/2022 2:48 am : link
In comment 15928907 Rick in Dallas said:
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BBI needs to move on!!!
I love all these people who are experts at assessing the needs of others. I think they are really talking about what THEY need, not our needs.
RE: RE: RE: Is it professional  
Red Right Hand : 12/3/2022 2:55 am : link
In comment 15929049 giantBCP said:
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In comment 15929037 chick310 said:


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In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:


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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.



Don’t be sore just because fans criticize your former employer



Shhhhh
It be like dat?????
lololololololol dat shit be lame to me......
RE: What grabbed my attention is that Toney is the ONLY  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/3/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15929305 BigBlueNH said:
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player missing practice for KC this week. And then look at our injury report. Depressing.


There's that scatterplot of NFL team injuries where the Giants are an outlier all by their lonesome on the the far right of the graph. The only place I've seen an outlier like that was a scatterplot that proved a player was cheating at online poker because their winning was such an outlier - the player was an employee computer progammer at the online poker company.

I think every one of our draft picks this year missed significant time this year? Yeesh.
RE: If you don't think coverage of a traded 1st round pick  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 12/3/2022 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15929089 mattlawson said:
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in the same season is relevant to football discussion and the Giants - I really don't know why you'd be a member of a forum such as this.


Succinctly and well stated.
Just checking  
arniefez : 12/3/2022 3:46 pm : link
we're not supposed to talk about former 1st picks by the Giants when they lave?
RE: What do Vegans and people who don’t want Toney threads  
adamg : 12/3/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15929316 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Have in common? Two groups who just don’t get that th rest of us don’t care what you do but can not give the same courtesy. Don’t open the thread. W and the. To post to tell others to move on? Lol. Then again maybe they are vegans and KT fans. Would explain a lot.

I think reading the word HAMstring might trigger them.


RE: Why does anyone still care?  
giantstock : 12/4/2022 12:48 am : link
In comment 15928890 BH28 said:
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He's gone, move on. A lot of people complain they didn't want him here and then when he's gone keep bringing the guy up. Same shit happened with OBJ. This isn't directed at anyone specific, just a general observation.


Because it's funny.
RE: Is it professional  
giantstock : 12/4/2022 12:52 am : link
In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:
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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.


Don't cry, okay?
RE: RE: If you don't think coverage of a traded 1st round pick  
mfsd : 12/4/2022 6:54 am : link
In comment 15929850 DisgruntledNYGfan said:
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In comment 15929089 mattlawson said:


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in the same season is relevant to football discussion and the Giants - I really don't know why you'd be a member of a forum such as this.



Succinctly and well stated.


I just feel badly for those who feel like they’re forced to read the thread and post on it even though they claim not to care

Thoughts and prayers
Fuck the stop bringing him up crowd  
SomeFan : 12/4/2022 6:54 am : link
He is a former 1st round draft pick and I like to see what he does at KC considering the trade and who got the better deal.
Out again Sunday  
jeff57 : 12/10/2022 2:41 pm : link
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the word on the inside is that he is not good at the rehab process  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/10/2022 5:02 pm : link
and does not follow the trainers' advice
I’ll admit  
gersh : 12/10/2022 9:07 pm : link
I defended him (somewhat) and thought he might still contribute.
When he played, he played hard.
But I knew the trade made sense and its even more apparent now
Very strange kid
RE: Expect little from him  
Jolly Blue Giant : 12/10/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15928998 JonC said:
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until his contract year ...

at this rate hes not going to make it to his contract year.
RE: Is it professional  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2022 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15928989 giantBCP said:
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for the owner of the forum to be a shit stirring poster? I understand that it drives traffic, but I still don’t think it’s necessary.

Nothing forcing you to patronize his website.
If you look back at Sy’s pre-draft write-up  
gersh : 12/11/2022 8:23 am : link
He mentioned there were red flags. He was more diplomatic about it after the Giants drafted him, but clearly there was intel about Toney being a risk. That the Giants (Gettleman) drafted him after the deandre baker fiasco is even more perplexing.
RE: the word on the inside is that he is not good at the rehab process  
section125 : 12/11/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15940524 gidiefor said:
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and does not follow the trainers' advice


shocking!
Can anyone remember such a high pick basically just refusing  
gersh : 12/11/2022 8:26 am : link
To practice/play? And this is now after he was traded to maybe the best possible situation for him. It’s truly mystifying how this kid is thumbing his nose at an opportunity millions would kill for.
RE: If you look back at Sy’s pre-draft write-up  
section125 : 12/11/2022 8:31 am : link
In comment 15940804 gersh said:
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He mentioned there were red flags. He was more diplomatic about it after the Giants drafted him, but clearly there was intel about Toney being a risk. That the Giants (Gettleman) drafted him after the deandre baker fiasco is even more perplexing.


I believe that I read the DG did not want Toney and this pick was totally Judge. The video of DG pacing angrily is just before the pick IIRC. I think DG want one of the oline.
RE: RE: If you look back at Sy’s pre-draft write-up  
NYGgolfer : 12/11/2022 9:06 am : link
In comment 15940809 section125 said:
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In comment 15940804 gersh said:


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He mentioned there were red flags. He was more diplomatic about it after the Giants drafted him, but clearly there was intel about Toney being a risk. That the Giants (Gettleman) drafted him after the deandre baker fiasco is even more perplexing.



I believe that I read the DG did not want Toney and this pick was totally Judge. The video of DG pacing angrily is just before the pick IIRC. I think DG want one of the oline.


No, that's not what occurred.

Just an item that is rumored/repeated on this site often enough that it becomes fact.

I’m not going to take the time to find it  
gersh : 12/11/2022 9:07 am : link
But the truth is there
….  
gersh : 12/11/2022 9:08 am : link
Oh, sorry, now I see what you were referring to
RE: RE: RE: If you look back at Sy’s pre-draft write-up  
section125 : 12/11/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15940829 NYGgolfer said:
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In comment 15940809 section125 said:


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In comment 15940804 gersh said:


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He mentioned there were red flags. He was more diplomatic about it after the Giants drafted him, but clearly there was intel about Toney being a risk. That the Giants (Gettleman) drafted him after the deandre baker fiasco is even more perplexing.



I believe that I read the DG did not want Toney and this pick was totally Judge. The video of DG pacing angrily is just before the pick IIRC. I think DG want one of the oline.



No, that's not what occurred.

Just an item that is rumored/repeated on this site often enough that it becomes fact.


Ok, what was it, then?
RE: RE: RE: RE: If you look back at Sy’s pre-draft write-up  
NYGgolfer : 12/11/2022 10:59 am : link
In comment 15940841 section125 said:
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In comment 15940829 NYGgolfer said:


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In comment 15940809 section125 said:


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In comment 15940804 gersh said:


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He mentioned there were red flags. He was more diplomatic about it after the Giants drafted him, but clearly there was intel about Toney being a risk. That the Giants (Gettleman) drafted him after the deandre baker fiasco is even more perplexing.



I believe that I read the DG did not want Toney and this pick was totally Judge. The video of DG pacing angrily is just before the pick IIRC. I think DG want one of the oline.



No, that's not what occurred.

Just an item that is rumored/repeated on this site often enough that it becomes fact.




Ok, what was it, then?


The Giants had a tier of names that they were going to draft at #20 but they were all taken before their pick. So they defaulted to adding a playmaking WR to help Jones (which was always an offseason goal stated by Mara/DG anyway). Toney got pulled up on to be the pick amongst several available WRs. It wasn't a Judge or a DG pick, it was the consensus of them all.

The video of DG pacing around the war room and Judge looking at him oddly was during round 2 the next evening. And it was likely due to them trading down once again and DG being unnerved in that strategy as names of guys on their board being taken in front of them for the second straight round. It's not in his DNA to trade down and what you saw was how he reacted when pursuing/agreeing to such a strategy finally in a draft.
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