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NGT - 8pm tonight - USC v Utah, Pac 12 championship...

bw in dc : 12/2/2022 3:51 pm
Re-match of their epic October 15 game in Salt Lake City where Utah prevailed 43-42. Giving SC their only loss of the season.

Caleb Williams had 5 passing TDs and Cam Rising had 2 TD passes and 3 rushing TDs. Just a great heavyweight fight between two tough QBs.

Rising converted a 2-point conversion with 48 seconds left to put Utah up for good. Williams was rallying SC for a potential game winning FG, but costly penalties derailed the Trojans.

It's always a pleasure watching the great Caleb Willaims play. And Rising is tough as nails, and an underrated QB prospect in the 2023 draft (if he declares).

Lots of good talent on both sides. For SC: Williams, Dye, Addison, Washington, Vorhees, Tuipulotu, Blackman, etc. And for the Utes: Rising, Kincaid, Thomas, Phillips, etc.
thx I will likely flip to this throughout the game  
djm : 12/2/2022 3:54 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2022 3:59 pm : link
Somewhat using this as an excuse to get out of work holiday party. Haha.

But seriously looking forward to this.
And if Utah wins  
Jints in Carolina : 12/2/2022 4:10 pm : link
then OSU is back in the playoffs.
I'll be watching, maybe with a martini  
Bill in UT : 12/2/2022 4:12 pm : link
and rooting for Utah, duh. But I think USC will win. Rising is a tough sob, and a good runner, but I don't thnk he's a good enough passer to play Sundays. And other than Kincaid, not great weapons at receiver. Vele is the best of a mediocre group. Thomas has not lived up to expectations much at RB this season. And the D has given up big chunks of yardage on many occasions. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid UU may go down by a couple of TDs. My friend is a big Ohio State fan, and he needs Utah to win tonight.
RE: And if Utah wins  
bw in dc : 12/2/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15929034 Jints in Carolina said:
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then OSU is back in the playoffs.


Probably right.

What happens if KState knocks off TCU tomorrow, too? When they played in October, KState had TCU on the ropes for the first half of that game. So, KState knows they can play with the Horned Frogs...
Go Utes!  
JerseyCityJoe : 12/2/2022 4:20 pm : link
If Rising can get his mojo back I expect a PAC 12 again for Utah. He has not looked the same after his injury this year. I have my fingers crossed.
RE: RE: And if Utah wins  
Jints in Carolina : 12/2/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15929044 bw in dc said:
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then OSU is back in the playoffs.



Probably right.

What happens if KState knocks off TCU tomorrow, too? When they played in October, KState had TCU on the ropes for the first half of that game. So, KState knows they can play with the Horned Frogs...


I think K-State beats TCU...so if both TCU and USC lose, I would expect Ohio St and Bama to be in the playoffs.
RE: RE: RE: And if Utah wins  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15929076 Jints in Carolina said:
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then OSU is back in the playoffs.



Probably right.

What happens if KState knocks off TCU tomorrow, too? When they played in October, KState had TCU on the ropes for the first half of that game. So, KState knows they can play with the Horned Frogs...

I think K-State beats TCU...so if both TCU and USC lose, I would expect Ohio St and Bama to be in the playoffs.


I doubt the committee takes a 2 loss Alabama team over a one loss TCU team. You could make a case for Penn State over Alabama since their two losses are to Michigan & Ohio State, if TCU is out of the picture if they lose.


Tuned in to check out  
OBJRoyal : 12/2/2022 8:23 pm : link
Williams
Williams  
Maggot Brain : 12/2/2022 8:30 pm : link
would look exceptional in Giants blue in 2024.
Every time I watch Williams I say the same thing  
kevken60 : 12/2/2022 8:47 pm : link
Holy shit!
Good grief  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2022 9:23 pm : link
Utah is playing with fire by putting the ball on the ground
RE: RE: RE: RE: And if Utah wins  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2022 9:24 pm : link
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then OSU is back in the playoffs.



Probably right.

What happens if KState knocks off TCU tomorrow, too? When they played in October, KState had TCU on the ropes for the first half of that game. So, KState knows they can play with the Horned Frogs...

I think K-State beats TCU...so if both TCU and USC lose, I would expect Ohio St and Bama to be in the playoffs.



I doubt the committee takes a 2 loss Alabama team over a one loss TCU team. You could make a case for Penn State over Alabama since their two losses are to Michigan & Ohio State, if TCU is out of the picture if they lose.



A number of Big 12 teams had TCU on the ropes, Texas did too and gave it away. They are a good team but not dominant by any means
RE: Williams  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2022 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15929219 Maggot Brain said:
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would look exceptional in Giants blue in 2024.


Not sure how we get him though
I don't know who else will be in Williams' draft class, but  
81_Great_Dane : 12/2/2022 9:26 pm : link
you have to assume he's going to be in line to be taken at the top of the first round, probably #1 overall or close to it. Assuming the Giants picking somewhere in the middle of the first, they'd probably have to offer a huge package of players and picks, even bigger than the Eli trade.

It might be worth it.
What the hell was that??  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2022 9:52 pm : link
USC dodged a madsive bullet
Lincoln Riley  
Mook80 : 12/2/2022 10:27 pm : link
is an absolutely awful game manager. A thing as simple as running the clock down with a running clock and 130 on the clock when they're punting before half and he screws it up and punts with 20 seconds on the clock. Cost them at least 4 points
USC's  
Mook80 : 12/2/2022 10:29 pm : link
defense is a total embarrassment. 3rd and 19 and they make the worst effort to tackle a receiver i've ever seen
I see Lincoln Riley brought Big 12 defense to the Pac 10  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2022 10:31 pm : link
That was some horrible tackling by USC - on a 3rd & 19!
Holy shit  
bwitz : 12/2/2022 10:48 pm : link
Lmao
Oww  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2022 10:49 pm : link
That looked painful
RE: USC's  
speedywheels : 12/2/2022 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15929312 Mook80 said:
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defense is a total embarrassment. 3rd and 19 and they make the worst effort to tackle a receiver i've ever seen


“A total embarrassment”.

LOL! Have you seen them play at all besides tonight?? One bad play doesn’t make them a “total embarrassment”.

🙄
Again with that horrible D  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2022 11:15 pm : link
Yikes
A long way away from Carrol's defenses  
widmerseyebrow : 12/2/2022 11:18 pm : link
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Bad throw by Williams  
jvm52106 : 12/2/2022 11:29 pm : link
Right there.
Alex Grinch  
Mook80 : 12/2/2022 11:30 pm : link
must have dirt on Lincoln Riley because he is an absolutely awful defensive coordinator.
RE: RE: USC's  
Mook80 : 12/2/2022 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15929330 speedywheels said:
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defense is a total embarrassment. 3rd and 19 and they make the worst effort to tackle a receiver i've ever seen



“A total embarrassment”.

LOL! Have you seen them play at all besides tonight?? One bad play doesn’t make them a “total embarrassment”.

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Speedy, they got smoked defensively against every good offense they played all year. 40 to utah both times. 40 to UCLA. 35 to Cal. 37 to Arizona.

There isnt another way to describe their defense besides a total embarrassment. They didnt slow down any good offense the entire season.
Really is Big 12 football  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/2/2022 11:37 pm : link
Just soft defense
RE: RE: USC's  
Mad Mike : 12/2/2022 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15929330 speedywheels said:
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One bad play doesn’t make them a “total embarrassment”.

This hasn't aged well.
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Banks : 12/2/2022 11:45 pm : link
I've been unimpressed with Utah all year, but they just threw a grenade into the playoff picture. What a heartbreaking game for USC fans
RE: RE: RE: USC's  
Mook80 : 12/2/2022 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15929343 Mad Mike said:
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One bad play doesn’t make them a “total embarrassment”.



This hasn't aged well.


It made no sense from the start. They could not even come remotely close to stopping the good offenses they faced this season. Their defense is a total joke. Alex Grinch sucked as coordinator at OU and he sucks at USC too.
RE: RE: USC's  
NYGgolfer : 12/2/2022 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15929330 speedywheels said:
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defense is a total embarrassment. 3rd and 19 and they make the worst effort to tackle a receiver i've ever seen



“A total embarrassment”.

LOL! Have you seen them play at all besides tonight?? One bad play doesn’t make them a “total embarrassment”.

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As embarrassing as this post of yours.
Utah just physically dominated USC  
Rick in Dallas : 12/2/2022 11:54 pm : link
After the first period Utah’s defense kicked some Trojan butt!!!
This is why the expansion makes sense  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2022 12:01 am : link
Ohio State gets rewarded for losing before the conference title game.
Sounds like Deion  
Mook80 : 12/3/2022 12:23 am : link
is going to take the Colorado job.

Will be very interesting to see how he does out there.

We had a niece come to visit tonight so  
Bill in UT : 12/3/2022 12:25 am : link
I was behind on the game. Just finished it. Really discouraging 1st Qtr. And I don't know how much Williams being banged up affected his game. But regardless, I think Utah played their best game of the year. Strong on D, including the takeaways, and big plays on offense, without having a stellar passing attack. Great effort, Utes
RE: RE: RE: USC's  
GMen72 : 12/3/2022 2:05 am : link
In comment 15929339 Mook80 said:
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defense is a total embarrassment. 3rd and 19 and they make the worst effort to tackle a receiver i've ever seen



“A total embarrassment”.

LOL! Have you seen them play at all besides tonight?? One bad play doesn’t make them a “total embarrassment”.

🙄



Speedy, they got smoked defensively against every good offense they played all year. 40 to utah both times. 40 to UCLA. 35 to Cal. 37 to Arizona.

There isnt another way to describe their defense besides a total embarrassment. They didnt slow down any good offense the entire season.


As a Oklahoma fan, I can say from experience...with Lincoln Riley, you get what you pay for. Terrible defense, terrible special teams, no physicality, and great QB play that can mask it up to a certain point.

Utah did USC a favor...this embarrassing loss is nothing compared to what Georgia would've done to them.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2022 7:51 am : link
So once again, the Pac 12 is an outsider looking in when it comes to the CFP.
Glad to see Oklahoma west lose  
jeff57 : 12/3/2022 8:02 am : link
But a shame that Williams hurt his hammy.
Alabama  
jeff57 : 12/3/2022 8:06 am : link
If TCU loses and they take 2 loss Alabama over 2 loss Tennessee, Volunteer fans will have a shit fit. But I guess the committee could use the excuse that Hooker is now out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And if Utah wins  
more cowbell : 12/3/2022 8:22 am : link
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then OSU is back in the playoffs.



Probably right.

What happens if KState knocks off TCU tomorrow, too? When they played in October, KState had TCU on the ropes for the first half of that game. So, KState knows they can play with the Horned Frogs...

I think K-State beats TCU...so if both TCU and USC lose, I would expect Ohio St and Bama to be in the playoffs.



I doubt the committee takes a 2 loss Alabama team over a one loss TCU team. You could make a case for Penn State over Alabama since their two losses are to Michigan & Ohio State, if TCU is out of the picture if they lose.



Penn State? They've beaten nobody and lost to the only 2 good teams they played all year
This was the most enjoyable game of the season  
gtt350 : 12/3/2022 8:49 am : link
Rugged rugged football. Breaking tackles , 2nd efforts, relentless defense
Really terrific effort. Damn they should be in the playoffs.
Congrats Bill
Utah should play Michigan home and home  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/3/2022 8:57 am : link
Smash-mouth physical football that is fun to watch. Still wondering how Utah lost to Florida. Forget how many mistakes they made in that opener.
Caleb Williams needs to grow up.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2022 8:58 am : link
The fingernails thing...grow up kid.
RE: This was the most enjoyable game of the season  
Bill in UT : 12/3/2022 8:59 am : link
In comment 15929404 gtt350 said:
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Rugged rugged football. Breaking tackles , 2nd efforts, relentless defense
Really terrific effort. Damn they should be in the playoffs.
Congrats Bill


Thanks, gtt, but I think the Rose Bowl is a better fit for them than the playoffs. Whittingham has done a great job with this team over the years, but it's a tall order to get great recruits to come to Utah. He doesn't have the horses that those elite programs have.
RE: RE: This was the most enjoyable game of the season  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/3/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15929408 Bill in UT said:
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Rugged rugged football. Breaking tackles , 2nd efforts, relentless defense
Really terrific effort. Damn they should be in the playoffs.
Congrats Bill



Thanks, gtt, but I think the Rose Bowl is a better fit for them than the playoffs. Whittingham has done a great job with this team over the years, but it's a tall order to get great recruits to come to Utah. He doesn't have the horses that those elite programs have.


Pen state / Utah? Good game.
RE: Utah should play Michigan home and home  
Bill in UT : 12/3/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15929406 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Smash-mouth physical football that is fun to watch. Still wondering how Utah lost to Florida. Forget how many mistakes they made in that opener.


iirc, Richardson had an outstanding game, passing and running.
RE: RE: Utah should play Michigan home and home  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/3/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15929417 Bill in UT said:
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Smash-mouth physical football that is fun to watch. Still wondering how Utah lost to Florida. Forget how many mistakes they made in that opener.



iirc, Richardson had an outstanding game, passing and running.


Yes, that was the coming out party and they couldn't handle Richardson. But he's been inconsistent since then.
Great game last night  
ChrisRick : 12/3/2022 9:29 am : link
Congratulations to the Utes fans. Nice job hanging in there during the first quarter.

Caleb Williams seemed to be very limited after the injury; he just couldn’t move as well. The Utes had several untouched rushers getting to Williams.

Utes DL #77 is a big man. WR #10 Money Parks has eye opening speed.
The Utes TE’s were a force even with Kincaid playing hurt.

USC’s defense nearly had 30 missed tackles last night; just unbelievable.
USC LB #18 Eric Gentry has interesting size as a sophomore 6’6 while only 200lbs.

USC WR #2 Brenden Rice (Jerry’s son, also good size at 6’3 205 ) made some nice plays last night.
Nice win for Utah  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2022 9:44 am : link
That is a really good program and for me Whittingham is one of the top HC's in the lead. Amazing legacy he is building at Utah and he has now been with that program soon to be 30 years.

That team plays hard. First time seeing that QB. Tough son of a gun. Took that shot and all you got was a smile.
RE: Nice win for Utah  
Bill in UT : 12/3/2022 9:59 am : link
In comment 15929439 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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That team plays hard. First time seeing that QB. Tough son of a gun. Took that shot and all you got was a smile.

Unless I'm forgetting someone, Utah has not had a good QB since Alex Smith. Rising, while not great, is head and shoulders over what they've had
RE: Great game last night  
Bill in UT : 12/3/2022 10:09 am : link
In comment 15929428 ChrisRick said:
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Caleb Williams seemed to be very limited after the injury; he just couldn’t move as well. The Utes had several untouched rushers getting to Williams.


The Utes TE’s were a force even with Kincaid playing hurt.




He couldn't seem to avoid the rush at all. Probably made a big difference in the game.
As good as he is, Kincaid was not Utah's best receiving TE. Brant Kuithe had been their top guy for a couple of years but tore his ACL, I believe, at the start of the season.
RE: RE: Nice win for Utah  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2022 10:15 am : link
In comment 15929459 Bill in UT said:
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That team plays hard. First time seeing that QB. Tough son of a gun. Took that shot and all you got was a smile.


Unless I'm forgetting someone, Utah has not had a good QB since Alex Smith. Rising, while not great, is head and shoulders over what they've had


That is the only one I can think of. They were not in the PAC 10 then. You follow that program much closer than I do.
That’s the one perplexing thing  
barens : 12/3/2022 10:58 am : link
About USC hiring Lincoln Riley. USC’s defense has struggled with missed tackles and getting off blocks ever since Pete Carroll was the coach. You can’t argue with Riley’s offensive success, but USC isn’t without talent on the defensive side of the ball. Last night was just atrocious.
I was really impressed with Kincaid  
Section331 : 12/3/2022 11:09 am : link
in the first game, I’d love to see him in blue. That, and the crowd was absolutely electric, it had me put a game at Utah on my bucket list.
RE: Great game last night  
bw in dc : 12/3/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15929428 ChrisRick said:
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Congratulations to the Utes fans. Nice job hanging in there during the first quarter.

Caleb Williams seemed to be very limited after the injury; he just couldn’t move as well. The Utes had several untouched rushers getting to Williams.

Utes DL #77 is a big man. WR #10 Money Parks has eye opening speed.
The Utes TE’s were a force even with Kincaid playing hurt.

USC’s defense nearly had 30 missed tackles last night; just unbelievable.
USC LB #18 Eric Gentry has interesting size as a sophomore 6’6 while only 200lbs.

USC WR #2 Brenden Rice (Jerry’s son, also good size at 6’3 205 ) made some nice plays last night.


Good summary.

USC's D has been swiss cheese all year. We saw it the first time these two teams played in October. USC couldn't protect the lead. Hell, that was most of their games this year.

Utah kids are tough, and Whittingham is a terrific coach. Underrated.

Let's be honest. This was an unexpectedly good year for USC. Lots of roster turnover and Riley did a helluva job getting buy-in.
bw in dc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2022 3:44 pm : link
I hate USC, but concur: great season for the Trojans.
RE: RE: Great game last night  
Bill in UT : 12/3/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15929616 bw in dc said:
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Congratulations to the Utes fans. Nice job hanging in there during the first quarter.

Caleb Williams seemed to be very limited after the injury; he just couldn’t move as well. The Utes had several untouched rushers getting to Williams.

Utes DL #77 is a big man. WR #10 Money Parks has eye opening speed.
The Utes TE’s were a force even with Kincaid playing hurt.

USC’s defense nearly had 30 missed tackles last night; just unbelievable.
USC LB #18 Eric Gentry has interesting size as a sophomore 6’6 while only 200lbs.

USC WR #2 Brenden Rice (Jerry’s son, also good size at 6’3 205 ) made some nice plays last night.



Good summary.

USC's D has been swiss cheese all year. We saw it the first time these two teams played in October. USC couldn't protect the lead. Hell, that was most of their games this year.

Utah kids are tough, and Whittingham is a terrific coach. Underrated.

Let's be honest. This was an unexpectedly good year for USC. Lots of roster turnover and Riley did a helluva job getting buy-in.


I don't know the names or the stats, but my impression was that USC brought in a bunch of good transfers this year
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