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Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:07 pm
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Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
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BREAKING: Right-hander Jacob deGrom has signed a five-year, $185 million contract with the Texas Rangers, sources tell ESPN. Physical is passed. Deal is done. Includes conditional sixth-year option that would take total deal to $222 million. Full no-trade clause. A massive haul.


Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
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Last year, the Rangers started their rebuild by committing $500 million to Corey Seager and Marcus Semien. Now, they’ll build their pitching staff around Jacob deGrom, whose five-year, $185 million deal has no deferrals. Between that and no state tax, the money is enormous.


Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
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In Jacob deGrom, the Rangers get the most talented pitcher in the world. They are also placing an enormous bet on his health, signing the 34-year-old to a five-year deal at $37 million a season. The Rangers saw the reward for the two-time Cy Young winner well worth the risk.

@JeffPassan
The question for the New York Mets is now: How do they replace deGrom? Is it Carlos Rodón? Justin Verlander? They’ve pursued all of the top pitchers, including Kodai Senga and Chris Bassitt. The ~$40 million a year earmarked for deGrom can go a lot of different places.
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confirmed by rangers  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:08 pm : link
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Texas Rangers @Rangers
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OFFICIAL: We've signed RHP Jacob deGrom to a 5-year contract.


Holy over pay  
larryflower37 : 12/2/2022 8:10 pm : link
That deal will not age well
at least it's  
pjcas18 : 12/2/2022 8:12 pm : link
not an NL team.

if he wasn't going to be a Met my first hope was not having to face him in the division.
Annoyed but Mets should be able to disperse money well  
Payasdaddy : 12/2/2022 8:12 pm : link
Dude only pitched 10 weeks in 2022
Welp  
ripdumaine : 12/2/2022 8:13 pm : link
At least we know going into the gm meetings
Wow  
bwitz : 12/2/2022 8:14 pm : link
Has any big free agent deal ever ended up well with the Rangers?
RE: Holy over pay  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15929188 larryflower37 said:
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That deal will not age well


it's an aggressive deal but i think it has a chance of being not terrible.

let's say a cy young season is worth 50m, if you get 2 JDG years out of him then you can get 1-2 down years out of him, and it still comes close to paying off even if he's shot by the final year (or injured for a 1 year).

i do think it's probably a risk the mets were wise to pass on. factoring in taxes they probably would have had to pay 180m or more. and they can sign 2 SP for the price of 1.
Can’t blame the Mets for that  
Sean : 12/2/2022 8:18 pm : link
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sad day  
KDavies : 12/2/2022 8:19 pm : link
one of my all-time favorites. But looking at it objectively, that is a long deal for a guy who has averaged 13 starts the past two years
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I am Ninja : 12/2/2022 8:19 pm : link
He'll get hurt signing the contract.
reading twitter  
pjcas18 : 12/2/2022 8:21 pm : link
and other bloggers, so not sure how credible, sounds like the Mets would have gone higher in AAV (up to $40M or so) but did not want to go 5 years.

I have no issue with that.
Sad day. Shouldve been a Met for life  
wigs in nyc : 12/2/2022 8:22 pm : link
but the wisdom of that contract is dubious at best. Also the right move not to match
Most talented pitcher  
section125 : 12/2/2022 8:22 pm : link
in the world??? He is very good, but...

Rangers ar spending a lot of money past two years.
Good  
Sammo85 : 12/2/2022 8:23 pm : link
DeGrom was a nice Mets story but frankly he is damaged goods and while he was underpaid his two ridiculously good seasons he’s done very little last 2 plus years.

Texas is terrible and this won’t make them better. DeGrom is going to have to miss 7-8 starts out of a full expected seasonal rotation likely just for maintenance rest. The Semien signing looks like a total dud. Their farm is weak.

I expect Mets to go after Rodon and Senga and I think this opens up the demand on Eppler to earn his GM job and shape a team.

Mets shouldn’t make a mistake by overpaying to keep Nimmo either.
Watch the Rangers  
Matt in SGS : 12/2/2022 8:23 pm : link
bounce the Astros and the Yankees can finally feel like it's their chance, and DeGrom beats them in the playoffs.
RE: Watch the Rangers  
bwitz : 12/2/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15929210 Matt in SGS said:
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bounce the Astros and the Yankees can finally feel like it's their chance, and DeGrom beats them in the playoffs.


Or, he’s on the IL.
Five years!!  
johnnyb : 12/2/2022 8:26 pm : link
Wow. Glad the Mets did not bite in that. Good luck to the Rangers.
RE: sad day  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15929201 KDavies said:
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one of my all-time favorites. But looking at it objectively, that is a long deal for a guy who has averaged 13 starts the past two years


this past season was a sour note to end on. he was lights out those first few games back but all year it was one story after another about his frustrations with mets. he took the most money and good for him, but his frustrations over the prior deal that he negotiated with his former agent and the previous ownership were nobody's fault except his own.

if they can get 2 of senga/bassitt/rodon for comparable total cash outlay (let's call it ~$180m-$200m) they are at least a little better hedged against risk.
If they win a world series it will be worth every penny  
Producer : 12/2/2022 8:28 pm : link
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problem with Rodon  
KDavies : 12/2/2022 8:28 pm : link
Mets are rumored to have some good signings coming on the international front. So it will be $$$$, 2nd, 5th, and some lost international players.
mets moving on Verlander now  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:28 pm : link
think I'd rather Rodon but ive always wanted verlander since he went 1 pick ahead of phillip humber.

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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Free agency is moving fast now. Justin Verlander front and center for Mets

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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Steve Cohen on DeGrom: “I wish him well. He has the right to choose his team. Now this team has to move on to the next thing. “
Fuck him  
speedywheels : 12/2/2022 8:29 pm : link
Sign Nimmo and one of Rondon/JV/Senga.

There is zero chance he finishes that contract healthy
i guess the "jdg wants out" stories were legit  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:30 pm : link
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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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The Mets perceived DeGrom as so far down the road with Texas by the time they were told about it that they did not ever get to determine what their last, best offer would be.


don't begrudge him for taking the biggest deal but i do think he clearly had some kind of hostility towards the org.
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bwitz : 12/2/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15929220 Eric on Li said:
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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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The Mets perceived DeGrom as so far down the road with Texas by the time they were told about it that they did not ever get to determine what their last, best offer would be.



don't begrudge him for taking the biggest deal but i do think he clearly had some kind of hostility towards the org.


Really? Was it due to the way he was handled medically?
Not a 'told you so' post in any way  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2022 8:37 pm : link
but this wasn't out of nowhere. There was a fair amount of whispering that DeGrom wasn't as in love with the idea of staying as fans would have wanted him to be.
RE: Watch the Rangers  
speedywheels : 12/2/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15929210 Matt in SGS said:
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bounce the Astros and the Yankees can finally feel like it's their chance, and DeGrom beats them in the playoffs.


There is very little chance they bounce NYY or HOU. They still suck, even with Jake.
Oh well  
Spider43 : 12/2/2022 8:41 pm : link
On to Plan B...
And for the Rangers, I think this makes a ton of sense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2022 8:42 pm : link
The way he can help Leiter, Winn, and Rocker develop is something you cannot put a price tag on. Wheeler still raves about the knowledge DeGrom passed on to him.
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Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15929223 bwitz said:
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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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The Mets perceived DeGrom as so far down the road with Texas by the time they were told about it that they did not ever get to determine what their last, best offer would be.



don't begrudge him for taking the biggest deal but i do think he clearly had some kind of hostility towards the org.



Really? Was it due to the way he was handled medically?


he was supposedly pissed that alderson said he had a slight tear last year, maybe he viewed it as a negative towards his FA value? he seemed clearly pissed at the deal he signed with BVW and the Wilpons but that was all pre-Cohen so im not sure why he still had issues with the nym org.
Mets related  
Payasdaddy : 12/2/2022 8:43 pm : link
Matt allan Is he pitching in fall league? Dudes thrown like 20 innings in 3 yrs
Still hopeful for him in 2024
RE: Fuck him  
allstarjim : 12/2/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15929217 speedywheels said:
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Sign Nimmo and one of Rondon/JV/Senga.

There is zero chance he finishes that contract healthy


More like the Mets fucked him for years when they wasted dominant starts of his without even scratching a run or two.

I wish him godspeed. I hope he wins every AL CY Young award from here until that contract runs out.
They tried this shit with Arod  
speedywheels : 12/2/2022 8:44 pm : link
At least he was an everyday player. Rangers need a whole lot more than Jake.
RE: mets moving on Verlander now  
Spider43 : 12/2/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15929216 Eric on Li said:
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think I'd rather Rodon but ive always wanted verlander since he went 1 pick ahead of phillip humber.



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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Free agency is moving fast now. Justin Verlander front and center for Mets

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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Steve Cohen on DeGrom: “I wish him well. He has the right to choose his team. Now this team has to move on to the next thing. “



I won't mind watching Kate Upton in the stands for a few games.
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speedywheels : 12/2/2022 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15929231 allstarjim said:
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Sign Nimmo and one of Rondon/JV/Senga.

There is zero chance he finishes that contract healthy



More like the Mets fucked him for years when they wasted dominant starts of his without even scratching a run or two.

I wish him godspeed. I hope he wins every AL CY Young award from here until that contract runs out.


Meanwhile, they paid him good money while he rehabbed.

I hope he falls flat on his face. Assuming, of course he stays healthy enough to actually throw 30 starts.

can not blame either party  
Rory : 12/2/2022 8:50 pm : link
Degrom gets his payday he's due at the back end of his career.

The Mets make the smart move and don't cave for the longer deal which they know more then anyone how healthy he will be.
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Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15929231 allstarjim said:
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Sign Nimmo and one of Rondon/JV/Senga.

There is zero chance he finishes that contract healthy



More like the Mets fucked him for years when they wasted dominant starts of his without even scratching a run or two.

I wish him godspeed. I hope he wins every AL CY Young award from here until that contract runs out.


the under market years he's pissed about were when the wilpons hired his former agent to extend him and larp as a GM with Robinson Cano sucking up the little $ that could have gone to non-geriatric non-cheating hitters.

the last 2 years under cohen if anything JDG has been overpaid considering he only pitched 150 innings.
sounds like a scherzer contract incoming for Verlander  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:54 pm : link
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I would not call Verlander a plan B for Mets, btw. Team has been very impressed with and enamored of him through free agent process.


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Michael Mayer @mikemayer22
The Mets have already talked with Justin Verlander, Carlos Rodón, and Kodai Senga so I would expect them to move quickly to ensure they get one of the top options available.


picking up the QO picks from JDG and getting Verlander seems about as soft of a landing as you can hope for.
It also doesn't have to be that he's 'mad' at the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2022 8:55 pm : link
He can decide where he wants to end his career.
RE: Watch the Rangers  
Sean : 12/2/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15929210 Matt in SGS said:
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bounce the Astros and the Yankees can finally feel like it's their chance, and DeGrom beats them in the playoffs.

The Rangers aren’t bouncing the Astros.
I wonder if Mets should strike fast this weekend  
Rory : 12/2/2022 8:57 pm : link
and re-sign Bassit.

RE: It also doesn't have to be that he's 'mad' at the team  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15929240 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He can decide where he wants to end his career.


when there are enough articles over the last year saying it and then he leaves without seriously negotiating we've seen both smoke and fire.
RE: I wonder if Mets should strike fast this weekend  
Rory : 12/2/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15929242 Rory said:
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and re-sign Bassit.


will strike fast*
Wow! I feel really sad. He was the last of that group of young  
Dennis : 12/2/2022 8:59 pm : link
Pitchers that came up together in the 2010s. He, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matz, and Harvey. So much promise and potential.

I know that the various comments I'm reading from you all re the wisdom and financial prudence of letting him go is correct, and yet I feel really sad. He was one of ours, he was picked by The Mets in 2010, and came up in The Mets minor league system. I feel the same way I felt when I heard that Tom Seaver had been traded to Cinn.

He was a class act, I wish him the absolute best as he goes forward.
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allstarjim : 12/2/2022 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15929236 speedywheels said:
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Sign Nimmo and one of Rondon/JV/Senga.

There is zero chance he finishes that contract healthy



More like the Mets fucked him for years when they wasted dominant starts of his without even scratching a run or two.

I wish him godspeed. I hope he wins every AL CY Young award from here until that contract runs out.



Meanwhile, they paid him good money while he rehabbed.

I hope he falls flat on his face. Assuming, of course he stays healthy enough to actually throw 30 starts.


Why am I not surprised.

Dude, that's a terrible take. You can't say he didn't give his all, never complained, was a great teammate, and gave us some very special memories and Mets' moments.

The run of poor offensive output during his starts, at any time he could've complained or threw teammates under the bus, but he remained a consummate professional. Anybody that would now root for his failure is an ungrateful fan, IMO.
I may have felt differently  
pjcas18 : 12/2/2022 8:59 pm : link
if the Mets had any success this year in the post-season when they were relying on an ace to lead the team.

But because of the past two seasons (especially this past year) I'm not even a little sad.

I do think the Mets are a worse team right now than when the season ended but it ended on a bad note.

The right ownership is in place now, take a little (not a lot) of time to regroup and move forward deliberately.

the worst thing the Mets could do now is overpay for their second choice. that's a Wilpon thing. It's how you wind up with Jason Bay when you're outbid on Matt Holliday.
RE: RE: I wonder if Mets should strike fast this weekend  
KDubbs : 12/2/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15929244 Rory said:
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and re-sign Bassit.




will strike fast*


please god no, i cant handle another year of the human rain delay
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Rory : 12/2/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15929236 speedywheels said:
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In comment 15929217 speedywheels said:


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Sign Nimmo and one of Rondon/JV/Senga.

There is zero chance he finishes that contract healthy



More like the Mets fucked him for years when they wasted dominant starts of his without even scratching a run or two.

I wish him godspeed. I hope he wins every AL CY Young award from here until that contract runs out.



Meanwhile, they paid him good money while he rehabbed.

I hope he falls flat on his face. Assuming, of course he stays healthy enough to actually throw 30 starts.


this is so shitty. come on man.
RE: RE: It also doesn't have to be that he's 'mad' at the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2022 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15929243 Eric on Li said:
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He can decide where he wants to end his career.



when there are enough articles over the last year saying it and then he leaves without seriously negotiating we've seen both smoke and fire.


I mean we said the same thing about Syndergaard. When he finally spoke on the issue, he said that wasn't the case.

I really feel like we attach more drama to this than there needs to be.

Especially for a franchise icon who gave his best seasons to the Mets and had so many great performances wasted by shit management, hard to me to find ways to be upset with him. Legend.
RE: I may have felt differently  
Rory : 12/2/2022 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15929247 pjcas18 said:
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if the Mets had any success this year in the post-season when they were relying on an ace to lead the team.

But because of the past two seasons (especially this past year) I'm not even a little sad.

I do think the Mets are a worse team right now than when the season ended but it ended on a bad note.

The right ownership is in place now, take a little (not a lot) of time to regroup and move forward deliberately.

the worst thing the Mets could do now is overpay for their second choice. that's a Wilpon thing. It's how you wind up with Jason Bay when you're outbid on Matt Holliday.


exactly how I feel, I had genuine chills that day when he returned to the mound and they blasted simple man but fast forward to setting the table to win the div and be in the playoffs

Only after 12 starts he already looked somewhat worn down.

I truly hope the best for the guy though.
Love Jake as much as anyone but  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/2/2022 9:05 pm : link
I do feel we may have dodged a bullet both contractually, and public relations wise (in terms of how the fans will view his departure). Time to move on.
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