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| Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 2m BREAKING: Right-hander Jacob deGrom has signed a five-year, $185 million contract with the Texas Rangers, sources tell ESPN. Physical is passed. Deal is done. Includes conditional sixth-year option that would take total deal to $222 million. Full no-trade clause. A massive haul. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 2m Last year, the Rangers started their rebuild by committing $500 million to Corey Seager and Marcus Semien. Now, they’ll build their pitching staff around Jacob deGrom, whose five-year, $185 million deal has no deferrals. Between that and no state tax, the money is enormous. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 2m In Jacob deGrom, the Rangers get the most talented pitcher in the world. They are also placing an enormous bet on his health, signing the 34-year-old to a five-year deal at $37 million a season. The Rangers saw the reward for the two-time Cy Young winner well worth the risk. @JeffPassan The question for the New York Mets is now: How do they replace deGrom? Is it Carlos Rodón? Justin Verlander? They’ve pursued all of the top pitchers, including Kodai Senga and Chris Bassitt. The ~$40 million a year earmarked for deGrom can go a lot of different places. |
His career is one of the weirdest I can recall for any player. Late bloomer who showed up, won rookie of the year, and turned into an utterly dominant pitcher until Covid and injuries robbed of him of the majority of his last 3 seasons here.
I want him to make the HOF but i have felt for awhile he needs either another dominant regular season/Cy Young or a World Series ring in which he has a great postseason. I don’t think he’s getting the latter in Texas and I don’t know if his health will hold up enough for the former.
I wish Jake well. I hope he doesn’t have any resentment for the Mets since the Wilpons are out of the picture. He is a legacy player for us now and there should be a day years from now to retire 48.
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In comment 15929240 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He can decide where he wants to end his career.
when there are enough articles over the last year saying it and then he leaves without seriously negotiating we've seen both smoke and fire.
I mean we said the same thing about Syndergaard. When he finally spoke on the issue, he said that wasn't the case.
I really feel like we attach more drama to this than there needs to be.
Especially for a franchise icon who gave his best seasons to the Mets and had so many great performances wasted by shit management, hard to me to find ways to be upset with him. Legend.
Stop.
He’s not an icon or legend now any more. You lose that leaving like this. He chose money. That’s fine. That’s how sports are now. He won’t get his jersey retired here. Maybe a ring of honor in ten years or something.
Does anyone remember when Seaver left, and how you felt then? Do you feel similarly now? I do.
Question for the masses …
I set the over/under on starts in Texas at 75. Whattaya got?
But because of the past two seasons (especially this past year) I'm not even a little sad.
I do think the Mets are a worse team right now than when the season ended but it ended on a bad note.
The right ownership is in place now, take a little (not a lot) of time to regroup and move forward deliberately.
the worst thing the Mets could do now is overpay for their second choice. that's a Wilpon thing. It's how you wind up with Jason Bay when you're outbid on Matt Holliday.
They went with Bay because he was cheaper. Verlander will probably get the higher AAV bc he won CY and WS last year and despite age he's been more durable than JDG. He threw more innings off TJS this year than JDG the last 2 combined. Signing Verlander would be more like pivoting to Manny Ramirez after missing on A-Rod.
Don't be a dick
Does anyone remember when Seaver left, and how you felt then? Do you feel similarly now? I do.
I was a kid then and was heartbroken. It was also a trade so I was livid with the Mets.
Im not a kid now, nor is deGrom. Like I said before, I don’t wish bad on the guy. Just no interest in rooting for him in Texas. He does well, I don’t hate it. But I do admit, things don’t go well? I won’t be for the guy.
Seaver himself was upset he got traded. That was much worse for me.
but the deGrominator should have stayed a Met.
Does anyone remember when Seaver left, and how you felt then? Do you feel similarly now? I do.
I don’t think he cares. Time changes all of us. Hes changed too. The Cy Young seasons then warped into pandemic and 2 plus lost seasons of injuries has aged him and changed him a bit.
I think Mets dodged a huge landmine.
Stop.
He’s not an icon or legend now any more. You lose that leaving like this. He chose money. That’s fine. That’s how sports are now. He won’t get his jersey retired here. Maybe a ring of honor in ten years or something.
lol
2035: $12,000,000
2036: $13,500,000
2037: $15,000,000
2038: $12,000,000
2039: $15,000,000
[quote] In comment 15929258 Earl the goat said:
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Stevie. Got get Trea Turner and Carlos Rodan
+1. Wishing that someone be injured because they chose financial safety and security for themselves and family is
...? I'm sure you're not serious.
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In comment 15929240 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He can decide where he wants to end his career.
when there are enough articles over the last year saying it and then he leaves without seriously negotiating we've seen both smoke and fire.
I mean we said the same thing about Syndergaard. When he finally spoke on the issue, he said that wasn't the case.
I really feel like we attach more drama to this than there needs to be.
Especially for a franchise icon who gave his best seasons to the Mets and had so many great performances wasted by shit management, hard to me to find ways to be upset with him. Legend.
How did things work out for Syndergaard? Anyone hear any rumors of him being connected to the highest spending team in baseball this offseason even as they are linked to almost every other UFA pitcher?
When Syndergaard spoke las tyear he said he left the mets because last year was an important year for him and he wasn't sure how stable the mets org was. So instead of playing on a 100 win team he played for a 70 win team that fired it's manager in-season, traded him at the deadline, and ended up entering UFA off the worst statistical year of his career.
His decision to leave the mets probably had a minimal impact on the outcome compared to his fastball being down 4 mph but id imagine he wishes he had a do-over on alienating the biggest spending owner in the sport. his situation and jdgs are obviously very different but what's similar is that they both clearly preferred to not be mets any longer.
I'd be fine with Verlander, but hopefully not to a Scherzer deal.
Sad day for Mets.... but life goes on..
Go load up elsewhere..
Go nuts and get Verlander, Rodon, and Bassitt..
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In comment 15929243 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15929240 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He can decide where he wants to end his career.
when there are enough articles over the last year saying it and then he leaves without seriously negotiating we've seen both smoke and fire.
I mean we said the same thing about Syndergaard. When he finally spoke on the issue, he said that wasn't the case.
I really feel like we attach more drama to this than there needs to be.
Especially for a franchise icon who gave his best seasons to the Mets and had so many great performances wasted by shit management, hard to me to find ways to be upset with him. Legend.
How did things work out for Syndergaard? Anyone hear any rumors of him being connected to the highest spending team in baseball this offseason even as they are linked to almost every other UFA pitcher?
When Syndergaard spoke las tyear he said he left the mets because last year was an important year for him and he wasn't sure how stable the mets org was. So instead of playing on a 100 win team he played for a 70 win team that fired it's manager in-season, traded him at the deadline, and ended up entering UFA off the worst statistical year of his career.
His decision to leave the mets probably had a minimal impact on the outcome compared to his fastball being down 4 mph but id imagine he wishes he had a do-over on alienating the biggest spending owner in the sport. his situation and jdgs are obviously very different but what's similar is that they both clearly preferred to not be mets any longer.
Noah left because he didn't want the Mets fans to have expectations of him being himself... that's what he said. He knew he wasn't the same.
I loved that explanation.
He knows he's a shell and although his heart was in NY, he had to make the change for himself.
I'd be fine with Verlander, but hopefully not to a Scherzer deal.
Manny was a few years older than A-Rod but point taken. Verlander has been a freak in the Randy Johnson mold so who knows how long he can keep doing it. for non-JDG/Verlander mortals both 35 and 40 are past prime.
The Mets make the smart move and don't cave for the longer deal which they know more then anyone how healthy he will be.
This is where I'm at on this.
I'm sad he's gone, but I couldn't see giving him that much money with his injury history. Even with a bloated payroll like the Mets have, spending 15% of it on him at this point is just a bad idea.
Thanks for the memories, Jacob :)
Sad day for Mets.... but life goes on..
Go load up elsewhere..
Go nuts and get Verlander, Rodon, and Bassitt..
I don’t think Bassitt likes NY.
Texas has no state income tax and this is a huge deal for him. They clearly wanted him badly and overpayed. Mets did that with Scherzer.
Maybe Zeigler, but who else has any real promise?
How many years do Verlander, Scherzer, and Bassitt have left?
They are all past their prime.
I like Magill and Peterson, but I don't think either one is a #1, or 2 in a rotation. Where will a new top of the order group of pitchers come from?
Noah left because he didn't want the Mets fans to have expectations of him being himself... that's what he said. He knew he wasn't the same.
I loved that explanation.
He knows he's a shell and although his heart was in NY, he had to make the change for himself.
that was his explanation in August, after his first team blew it up and when he was getting bumped in the PHI rotation from having to face the mets.
im not saying there wasnt truth in his comments, there probably was, but that wasnt what he said last november right after signing. and what he said last nov was a big change from what he'd said last oct. he was taking shots at the mets early in the season last year re the team no hitter so forgive me if im not fully buying that he only left to ground himself in chill west coast vibes.
again these guys are free to make whatever decisions they want. it just seems obvious what they wanted was to not be mets any longer. isnt that obvious?
I think he is pushing the limits of what the human body can do and is breaking down as a result, and he hasn't found a way to be more "crafty." The usual dichotomy of "thrower" vs "pitcher" doesn't apply. He's already both. He just needs to find an approach that doesn't put so much stress on his body.
Mets' offer to deGrom was 3 years in $120M range. Sides were in contact Thursday, but no back-and-forth Friday (today). So there was no "if you can top this" bidding. The Mets got word from deGrom camp not that much before the world found out that he was going to the Rangers.
separately they have to get mcneil and alonso extended this offseason.
At least this happened early in the off-season, so we still have enough time to improve the team.
Degrom starts have been stressful for three seasons now - waiting for the discomfort, soreness, tweak, etc. He had a big opportunity to go out on a high note for the Mets this year and didn’t come through.
Hope he has fun in Texas, not sure if he’s a golfer, but I recommend he pick it up as he’ll have a lot of time for it in October the next five years.
@michaelgbaron
In the end, whether it’s the #Mets or any team, you want players who truly want to be with your team.
It takes two to tango. And from my seat, only one was on the dance floor here. And it wasn’t Jacob deGrom.
And that’s ok. That’s the player’s right. Sucks for everyone else.
bring on some SP who want to be here and win rings.
I have no issue with that.
They would’ve at least needed to go that high to equal what he got considering no state tax in Texas vs the taxes in NY.
Leiter,Bradford, White and Ragans are very talented
I have complete faith Steve Cohen would have paid more, but Jake clearly didn't want to be here anymore. Time to take a breath and then pivot to Rodon/Verlander/Senga. I don't want Bassitt back after the way ended this past season. I think the Mets have anticipated this scenario with Degrominator since before the season ended.
Cohen, Eppler, Buck had nothing to do with his previous contract and nothing to do with any of the supposed problems deGrom may have had with the team in the past.
If he was unhappy about Alderson making comments about his injury, okay. But to the point of a year long grudge that you never get over?
It remains very confusing to me what exactly his problem was with the organization. But it's now clear there was truth to those reports.
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Andy Martino @martinonyc
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The Mets perceived DeGrom as so far down the road with Texas by the time they were told about it that they did not ever get to determine what their last, best offer would be.
don't begrudge him for taking the biggest deal but i do think he clearly had some kind of hostility towards the org.
Really? Was it due to the way he was handled medically?
he was supposedly pissed that alderson said he had a slight tear last year, maybe he viewed it as a negative towards his FA value? he seemed clearly pissed at the deal he signed with BVW and the Wilpons but that was all pre-Cohen so im not sure why he still had issues with the nym org.
Thanks, was not aware. Sounds like he just wanted out. He’s the Rangers problem now. Well, until they have to trade him.
It's very similar to what the Dodgers did prior to their run.
With Max FA next year and no real pitching prospect in sight this might be the last year they try to salvage the current roster.
Before you say Diaz, you can always move a elite closer mid season....
Or am I crazy to think this?
He was right there with Pedro and Koufax in domination and mastery.
Sad he didn't stay a Met forever, but wish him well and I'm glad he ended up somewhere we can root for him without issue... Now lets just hope he finishes his career there and doesn't get traded in division or to the Yankees!!
It's very similar to what the Dodgers did prior to their run.
With Max FA next year and no real pitching prospect in sight this might be the last year they try to salvage the current roster.
Before you say Diaz, you can always move a elite closer mid season....
Or am I crazy to think this?
you are crazy. they had 5 guys get mvp votes last year, 4 are under 30, 4 made the all star game, and none of them were jdg. that 20% of the roster is still under contract for at least 2 years and doesnt even include scherzer. if they pivot and sign verlander he'd be #6.
they need young talent but their top 6 hitting prospects can hang with anyones top 6 and all could be at AA or higher next year.
those guys will have a better chance to succeed breaking in with guys like lindor, alonso, mcneil, marte around them.
they will need to buy pitchers for a while though while the farm builds up.
Maybe Zeigler, but who else has any real promise?
How many years do Verlander, Scherzer, and Bassitt have left?
They are all past their prime.
I like Magill and Peterson, but I don't think either one is a #1, or 2 in a rotation. Where will a new top of the order group of pitchers come from?
They're going to have to sign a bunch of mercenaries until they develop any kind of pitching, which isn't any time soon.
Leiter,Bradford, White and Ragans are very talented
One only needs to look at Mets in past multiple times to see how fleeting such prognostications can be.
By the time those pitchers are ready, DeGrom will likely be close to done and along with Semien and probably Seager too eating up a ton of payroll for little output for a few years. Rangers need to make sure they get some position prospects ASAP.
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Even if they sign Verlander and Bassitt, their staff will be getting even older, and as I understand it, there is not a lot in the minor leagues to make the pitching staff younger.
Maybe Zeigler, but who else has any real promise?
How many years do Verlander, Scherzer, and Bassitt have left?
They are all past their prime.
I like Magill and Peterson, but I don't think either one is a #1, or 2 in a rotation. Where will a new top of the order group of pitchers come from?
They're going to have to sign a bunch of mercenaries until they develop any kind of pitching, which isn't any time soon.
TTH, that's my concern also, I don't see any real good above average pitching in the pipeline any time soon. With the best hitting in the world, without the kind of pitching The Mets have usually had, things could get ugly.
For the last 7 or 8 years we've been spoiled, we've had really good pitchers that we could usually count on to deliver an exemplary game almosy weekly. Once Scherzer, Verlander and Bassitt are gone, in the next year or two, where will their replacements come from?
2. develop the crap out of guys like hamel, ziegler, tidwell, vasil, allan if he ever returns - and they need to keep adding 2-3 names to this list every draft like they did the last 2 drafts.
3. do what the LAD do and find some value guys who fit what they do and play up. they find 1 guy like anderson and gonsolin every year. it could be even be someone like taijuan walker coming back and just continuing to improve post-30 the way Wheeler did in PHI. Or signing Senga and having him way exceed expectations.
the 4th thing is more luck than anything else, but the same way JDG went from unknown overage prospect with arm troubles to all star, or cortes last year, they need to hope lightning strikes somewhere with someone like megill, or butto, or maybe even peterson.
i wanted to keep JDG and Scherzer together like everyone else but he chose to leave, and thankfully they have some not bad alternatives to choose from and probably close to $200m to spend over the best 2 guys they can get.
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Per @martinonyc, the Mets are looking to acquire two starting pitchers in each of these two categories:
Aces: Justin Verlander, Carlos Rodón
Mid-rotation: Andrew Heaney, Kyle Gibson, Taijuan Walker, Ross Stripling, Jose Quintana, Kodai Senga
bassitt is kind of a tweener of those 2 groups so will be interesting to see what happens with him. I'd have personally tried to get him signed and dumped Carrasco's $ because I think he's a full step above Carrasco and the price difference would have been worth it.
Like deGrom, Verlander would come with risks and rewards — he will turn 40 in February and returned from Tommy John surgery to produce a major-league-best 1.75 ERA in 175 innings while winning the AL Cy Young Award. But a deal for Verlander likely won’t command as much length. And like deGrom was to some extent, he would definitely be viewed as a risk worth taking. In comparing the two for a poll The Athletic published last week, one evaluator said, “My Plan A would be Verlander. He’s both an ace and a bulldog. He’s the better bet to make 28 starts.”
the one positive to losing some of the guys they may lose this offseason is comp picks. see below tweet for a hypothetical, im pretty sure every extra comp pick even down where they are due to lux tax penalties gets them somewhere around 750k in extra bonus pool money - which they can use to get themselves the equivalent of multiple top 30-50 players with their top 2-3 picks as they've done the last several years.
@FTLO_Baseball
My first preference is deGrom being a Met for life at all costs and it isn't close.
But plan B should take advantage of the Verlander, Taillon, Walker, Senga market, and accumulating/preserving draft/IFA capital.
Resign Nimmo, and potentially draft 1,2,3,3-comp,4,4-comp x2.
Doug @FTLO_Baseball
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That's potentially 7 to 8 picks in the first 150 players, with a good bit of flexibility in pool space, and save 1M in IFA spending as well.