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NFT: FIFA World Cup, Saturday 12/3, USA DAY

bluefin : 12/3/2022 7:19 am
Round of 16

10:00 AM - USA vs. Netherlands

2:00 PM - Argentina vs. Australia

Both games broadcast on FOX

Bracket (thanks to Optimus)

USA vs Netherlands preview - ( New Window )
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Excited For This Game  
Jeffrey : 12/3/2022 8:42 am : link
A quality opponent with a quality coach. The Netherlands have not yet shown their best in the WC, but they are a well-organized team with a good amount of talent. They have a speedy young winger who is one of the breakout stars of the WC so far. Their lineup has recognized and proven talent at all levels. Not an impossible task for the US but a much greater challenge than faced so far, because unlike the England game this will not end in a tie.

The US has to find a way to score and while Sargeant has performed slightly better than Wright, the harsh reality is that while we are undefeated they have only scored twice in three games. Berhalter has failed to find the finisher that would help complete this team and unless someone can emerge today the US will be heading home tomorrow. Maybe go with a false 9 and insert Reyna. Maybe finally give Ferreira his shot?

Also need to shore up the back line. Zimmerman has been shaky and so has Shaq Moore as a substitute. Ream, Dest and Robinson will need to provide cover and Tyler Adams will have to continue his stellar play as a defensive midfielder.

This can be a coming out moment for the US, or a coming home moment. Should be a very exciting challenge.

USA lineup  
bluefin : 12/3/2022 8:45 am : link
Buckle up  
Producer : 12/3/2022 8:46 am : link
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RE: USA lineup  
JoeMoney19 : 12/3/2022 8:55 am : link
In comment 15929401 bluefin said:
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Damn it Zimmerman starting again.
A US win will be the biggest moment in US soccer  
Producer : 12/3/2022 9:00 am : link
since 1950.

Bigger than adv to quarters in 2002.

Netherlands is football royalty.
Ferriera  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/3/2022 9:04 am : link
is an interesting selection. Probably more comfortable in the false 9 role then the other CF options. I wonder if he plays deeper given that VVD will likely dominate anything in the air and the Dutch will be playing a high line
My Caesars Account Would Love to See...  
mvftw : 12/3/2022 9:06 am : link
0-0, Then USA can WIN in OT...lol
NED lineup  
bluefin : 12/3/2022 9:08 am : link
Would love to see an Argentina - USA match  
Sec 103 : 12/3/2022 9:15 am : link
This can happen, a tad of a longshot but we have a chance.
My prediction for this game is separate from my rooting interest.  
Optimus-NY : 12/3/2022 9:20 am : link
Go USA! I think Holland will win, but this is a winnable game for our guys. Just wish we had a striker :-( The potential matchup with Argentina after this is in the quarterfinal is another deal altogether of course, lol.

England is favored over Senegal of course, but I think the Senegalese will beat them. Sadio Mané's absence will be felt BIG time in this matchup of course, but I think the English side are underestimating their opponents here and will pay for it. I saw Senegal play Egypt several times and studied their players. They can beat England.
RE: RE: USA lineup  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2022 9:22 am : link
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Damn it Zimmerman starting again.


Yeah, I thought Carter-Vickers earned another start.
RE: RE: RE: USA lineup  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/3/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15929422 Del Shofner said:
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Damn it Zimmerman starting again.



Yeah, I thought Carter-Vickers earned another start.


He doesn't play in the MLS.
RE: RE: RE: USA lineup  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 9:27 am : link
In comment 15929422 Del Shofner said:
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Damn it Zimmerman starting again. ///

Yeah, I thought Carter-Vickers earned another start.

Absolutely, he gave no quarter, was quick enough to get to hot spots and deny the Iranians. His demeanor did not waiver never mind it was his first action. I don't get it at all; Berhalter must think he's BB playing matchups.
RE: RE: RE: USA lineup  
RCPhoenix : 12/3/2022 9:28 am : link
In comment 15929422 Del Shofner said:
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Damn it Zimmerman starting again.



Yeah, I thought Carter-Vickers earned another start.


I like Zimmerman but agree, Carter-Vickers played really well.

Question I have is how long will Pulisic play, and will we see Reyna?
RE: Ferriera  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15929413 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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is an interesting selection. Probably more comfortable in the false 9 role then the other CF options. I wonder if he plays deeper given that VVD will likely dominate anything in the air and the Dutch will be playing a high line

Kevin, indeed, I guess. Ferriera is a gnat. But if he does play as you surmise, not sure how that improves goal scoring ops, forward line being where we struggle.
Robinson has not gotten sufficient kudos, imo  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 9:35 am : link
He's been solid defensively on the flank and furnishes good pressure on the overlap, stretching the opposing back line. He just doesn't quite have enough attacking prowess and threat to his game, struggles to get off dangerous crosses.
RE: My prediction for this game is separate from my rooting interest.  
Sec 103 : 12/3/2022 9:37 am : link
In comment 15929420 Optimus-NY said:
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Go USA! I think Holland will win, but this is a winnable game for our guys. Just wish we had a striker :-( The potential matchup with Argentina after this is in the quarterfinal is another deal altogether of course, lol.

England is favored over Senegal of course, but I think the Senegalese will beat them. Sadio Mané's absence will be felt BIG time in this matchup of course, but I think the English side are underestimating their opponents here and will pay for it. I saw Senegal play Egypt several times and studied their players. They can beat England.


Agree 100%, but this WC has been full of surprises, I hope this US team finds a way to be another one. That said England may be in trouble. Hell, I hope the Aussies make it a game with Argentina, but that may be a long road to hoe.
NJoy the drama !
Question  
ScottinMA : 12/3/2022 9:43 am : link
Fox keeps showing the last win at this stage Versus Mexico in 2002. Talking to Donovan about his Goal. Pass is equally impressive. Can’t tell who made that pass. Anyone know?
RE: Question  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15929438 ScottinMA said:
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Fox keeps showing the last win at this stage Versus Mexico in 2002. Talking to Donovan about his Goal. Pass is equally impressive. Can’t tell who made that pass. Anyone know?


Eddie Lewis.
A US upset  
Gman11 : 12/3/2022 9:49 am : link
would be great for the sport. They can do it.
RE: RE: Question  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2022 9:52 am : link
In comment 15929442 Del Shofner said:
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Eddie Lewis.

see 0:54 - ( New Window )
Let’s go! Like the lineup choices by GGG.  
DCGMan : 12/3/2022 9:54 am : link
I do worry about our fitness particularly in midfield. GGG can’t wait until the 70th minute particularly in McKennie is struggling for fitness.

I think it’s 2-1 Netherlands in 120 minutes. Hope I’m wrong
Here's a link for today's USA-Netherlands match starting in 5 minutes:  
Optimus-NY : 12/3/2022 9:55 am : link
See link below...


U.S.A. - Netherlands match (10 o'clock EST start) - Fox US broadcast link - ( New Window )
RE: Question  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/3/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15929438 ScottinMA said:
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Fox keeps showing the last win at this stage Versus Mexico in 2002. Talking to Donovan about his Goal. Pass is equally impressive. Can’t tell who made that pass. Anyone know?


That team had a great midfield. Reyna and O'Brien
effing exciting  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 9:58 am : link
hard to root against Virgil, but it has to be done 😆
Nice anthem!  
Optimus-NY : 12/3/2022 9:59 am : link
Ready to play! Our guys can win this game. Go USA!
Have to put that  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/3/2022 10:04 am : link
Away
ugh  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2022 10:10 am : link
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the whole momentum there  
LittleBlue : 12/3/2022 10:11 am : link
swung on another walker zimmerman mistake.
That sucks  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/3/2022 10:11 am : link
But the build up for the goal was tremendous
RE: That sucks  
rnargi : 12/3/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15929470 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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But the build up for the goal was tremendous


A clinic.
plenty of time  
bluefin : 12/3/2022 10:13 am : link
Let’s go
From my amateur eye seems  
bubba0825 : 12/3/2022 10:17 am : link
Like we’re making one too many passes
We need to be more  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/3/2022 10:18 am : link
Decisive in the box
U.S.  
M.S. : 12/3/2022 10:18 am : link

Passes ball too much instead of shooting

All the time

Terrible  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:18 am : link
defense by the U.S. Pulisic also failed to score at point blank range. They finish. We don't.

We're also still trying to make too many passes near their goal instead of just shooting. The good news is that we've had most of the possession, but it won't matter unless we're willing to shoot and can score.
NYR illness there  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 10:19 am : link
this is not an MLS back line

Dest reverting to ugly Dest
RE: From my amateur eye seems  
GruningsOnTheHill : 12/3/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15929475 bubba0825 said:
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Like we’re making one too many passes

From my amateur eye, I agree, and that was my thought in their last two games as well. When you have a shot, shoot it; don't get too cutesy with the passes.
Carter-Vickers  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 10:30 am : link
would be > better on set pieces, both ways
Our  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:35 am : link
passing, especially through balls, hasn't been very good. I'm also surprised Reyna has played so little.
RE: RE: From my amateur eye seems  
Producer : 12/3/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15929483 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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Like we’re making one too many passes


From my amateur eye, I agree, and that was my thought in their last two games as well. When you have a shot, shoot it; don't get too cutesy with the passes.


This presupposes they have shots to take, which they haven't.
RE: RE: RE: From my amateur eye seems  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/3/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15929495 Producer said:
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In comment 15929475 bubba0825 said:


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Like we’re making one too many passes


From my amateur eye, I agree, and that was my thought in their last two games as well. When you have a shot, shoot it; don't get too cutesy with the passes.



This presupposes they have shots to take, which they haven't.


Agreed, haven't seen us pass up on good shooting options, just need to be better with thoe last pass
Nice  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:43 am : link
shot. Let's see more. Stop being afraid of taking long shots.
Ferreira has no right being in this game  
Rick in Dallas : 12/3/2022 10:44 am : link
Aarronson should have started the game .
Dest impactful on the right side
Game  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:46 am : link
over.
warm up  
bluefin : 12/3/2022 10:46 am : link
the subs
Yikes...  
rnargi : 12/3/2022 10:46 am : link
Fell asleep
Yuck  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2022 10:47 am : link
they can’t come back from that, we just can’t score
Fuck.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2022 10:47 am : link
Gut punch.
Exactly  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:48 am : link
the same formula as the first goal. A pass to an unguarded player in our box for an easy finish.

Let's stop deluding ourselves into believing that a team that barely qualified for the WC can compete with a European powerhouse like the Netherlands in the World Cup.
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