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Ranaan thinks OBJ wants to be Giants

CMicks3110 : 12/3/2022 9:45 am
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Two things I think on OBJ situation from talking to people and observing:

1. Odell wants to be a Giant. The lure of coming to NY, making it a home for his family and winning in this city is enticing. There’s unfinished biz. It’s matter of if Giants want to pay him $$$ he wants.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan


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2. The OBJ deal is more about next year than this year. Even Saquon Barkley has said it repeatedly, people need to be realistic. He’s coming back from serious knee injury. No training camp, no practice yet. It’s already December. Will take time to get in football shape.


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Anyone who thinks Odell Beckham rushing back from a second torn ACL should do a prove-it deal for the final few games of this season isn’t thinking logically. He’s better off waiting until next season to return rather than do that.



I think Giants are somewhat appealing because they don't need him this year. We can have him in case we make it to the playoffs, whereas the Bills/Cowboys will want him down the stretch.

I also believe Josina Anderson has been clued in from the very beginning, tweeting back in September about interest between Beckham and the Giants.

Too much smoke there for me to think he doesn't want to be here, or is using us for leverage.

Now do we pony up the dough? That's the real question. With a lot of cap space and a barren free agent market + Wan'Dale injured probably into next year, why not?
Sure  
Spider43 : 12/3/2022 9:51 am : link
I'm on board. Short deal with lots of incentives. Low risk. Drop him at the first hint of trouble.
I completely agree - expectations should be low for '22  
csb : 12/3/2022 9:52 am : link
My concern is that the Giants have a lot of cap space, but they also have some big-time players they will need to pay in the next couple years (Dex, AT, McKinney) and have huge open questions with how they handle Barkley and Jones. As much as I am enticed for a reunion it just doesn't feel like this is the right time to invest in a 30-year old WR coming off two ACL repairs. Everything I read says that OBJ will go where he is paid the most, but unless that is <$11/year I don't see how this would be a wise investment with this roster.
Sorry, I don't see it  
Gman11 : 12/3/2022 9:54 am : link
And here's why. If it was to get him on the field for the last 4 games at a minimum salary, then sure. They need a guy that can catch the ball. Whether he can do anything after the catch is in question, but first they need somebody that can catch.

Next year? Why? They can get a guy through free agency, trade or draft pick that doesn't have the baggage of being over 30 with 2 ACL tears.
Lmaoooo  
Tuckrule : 12/3/2022 9:56 am : link
OBJ wants to be a giants. Unfinished business……..AS LONG AS HE GETD PAID. Thanks Jordan for the awesome report!
supplly and demand  
CMicks3110 : 12/3/2022 9:58 am : link
is why I think this has a chance of happening. Free Agency is barren, not only for wide receivers, but for a lot of positions. Except perhaps for RB. I was looking at the market and there really very many difference makers. Which is why building through the draft is really the only way to go these days. Teams are locking up core pieces at core positions.

The good news is, we have significant core pieces at core positions (OT, ED, S, DL); we have our RB if we want him, at least on a franchise tag. We can buy a LB. So going into the draft next year do we want to be boxed into a corner on two positions (WR, CB) or one. QB is the REAL wild card of course.

I think we sign Beckham because he wants to be here and we can use him. It would energize the fan base down the stretch whether we win or lose, and maybe we get him for some snaps in the playoffs if we make it.
RE: Sure  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15929444 Spider43 said:
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I'm on board. Short deal with lots of incentives. Low risk. Drop him at the first hint of trouble.


He's not looking for that kind of deal. Read the OP.
sorry -- I think it would just be more of the same  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/3/2022 10:17 am : link
the OBJ drama never ends and is just tiresome
Ranaan just wants the clicks  
Marty in Albany : 12/3/2022 10:20 am : link
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No  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:21 am : link
interest.
RE: Ranaan just wants the clicks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15929484 Marty in Albany said:
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Not sure why you would say that. It seems likely this is an accurate assessment of the situation.
It only makes sense if he can contribute this year  
Vanzetti : 12/3/2022 10:29 am : link
It only makes sense if he can contribute this year

This upcoming off-season the Giants will have plenty of options at wide receiver. It’s highly unlikely that any objective analysis of those options would suggest that Odell is the best.
RE: RE: Ranaan just wants the clicks  
eli4life : 12/3/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15929486 Eric from BBI said:
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Not sure why you would say that. It seems likely this is an accurate assessment of the situation.


Because people like to make absolute statements according to what they want not what’s reality
Wrote it yesterday  
JonC : 12/3/2022 10:30 am : link
Prove it deal for 2023, sure. But, they need to see him on the field and assess his post-injury abilities.
Sterling Shepards comments  
Ira : 12/3/2022 10:34 am : link
You might want to turn the volume up on the video. It's pretty low.
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why do you guys  
Rory : 12/3/2022 10:37 am : link
get so worked up over what beat writers write. they have a job and they do their job.

fucking stupid.
RE: RE: RE: Ranaan just wants the clicks  
Jim in Tampa : 12/3/2022 10:37 am : link
In comment 15929489 eli4life said:
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Not sure why you would say that. It seems likely this is an accurate assessment of the situation.



Because people like to make absolute statements according to what they want not what’s reality

I think it has more to do with, "I hate (insert name of sportswriter) therefore, any opinion or prediction he makes is total BS and just a way to get clicks."

Years ago when OBJ was hurt in preseason (vs. Cleve.) Ranaan was the first to say that OBJ would miss the season opener. Many BBIers were quick to predict that Ranaan was only saying that "to get clicks".

Until course OBJ missed the season opener.
We already have a reciever on the roster for big money  
RobCrossRiver56 : 12/3/2022 10:48 am : link
that contributes nothing. Why would we want two?
RE: Ranaan just wants the clicks  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15929484 Marty in Albany said:
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How do you get clicks when there is nothing to click?
Not a fit for this team  
US1 Giants : 12/3/2022 10:57 am : link
I wish him well on a Super Bowl contender.
It would have to be built with a lot of incentives  
PatersonPlank : 12/3/2022 10:57 am : link
because we really don't know how good he will be at 30 coming off a second ACL. Also I wouldn't expect much from him this season (look at Barkley last season). He will be able to maybe a possession guy but I doubt he will be a full go until 2023
Unless  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 11:00 am : link
I'm reading the tea leaves incorrectly, OBJ is not really looking to help a team this year but sign a contract now that would allow him to play in 2023.

If that's the case, I'm not sure he's a good fit here. Seems like a lot of NYG fans have nostalgia for guys like Beckham and Collins that don't seem to match up with the situation in 2022.
The lure to the Giants is the city the lights and glitter. Yes it's  
Blue21 : 12/3/2022 11:00 am : link
$ too. But remember if he comes here he s the #1. Is he in Dallas? Definitely not in Buffalo. He wasn't in Tampa. And he loves Barkley and Shep. Is he coming? Who knows but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Think he'd like to show others how wrong they were too. I was a glad to see him go guy when he left but gotta admit right or wrong I might be fun to have him back .
Eric  
CMicks3110 : 12/3/2022 11:04 am : link
Have you seen the rest of free agent wide receiver class? It’s awful!
No thanks  
Mark from Jersey : 12/3/2022 11:13 am : link
multiple reasons. Injury history, headcase history, rebuilding with youth and trying to save not spend.
Fans who want Odell are not looking at it from his view.  
edavisiii : 12/3/2022 11:16 am : link
Sentiment is clouding the picture here BBI Crew...Nice storybook ending to some! But, does the football side of it work for Odell? Probably not! If I was Odell, I'd be saying, "this might be my last contract!" Can the Giants give him that? Should they? Risk not being able to sign young talent like Dexter Lawrence? I don't think the football/cap side works for Odell or the Giants. But, a lot of other teams might now want him too! He is always hurt, it is always about him. He is a nice guy from what many say but he needs a spotlight and some teams won't want that.

So the next question is, business, brand and endorsement wise, "How much does he need New York?" That to me, is the only factor that could have him end up here.

I get the "unfinished business side!" A lot of great HS players make their college team then quit because they feel like hired guns where as HS was plying with your brothers. I think OBJ has a part of him that wants to play with Shaquan and Shep, his original brothers in arms in the NFL.

Let's see where this unfolds! I have mixed feelings. ERIC HAS HIS RESERVATIONS AND THEY ARE LEGIT! He was a diva...YES. but I think this coaching staff is superior to Pat Shurmur's As far as relating to players and they might make it work. He will compete hard. Let's not forget he was real young 1st time around. Who knows. There is a lot more to X's and O's to this ....and sports is entertainment...lol
If he's not contributing this year  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/3/2022 11:24 am : link
than it's even more boneheaded of Schoen to throw money and cap space down the toilet at him (a high degree of probability this is the case) to buy a ticket to the wavy gravy Wayback Nostalgia Machine. Really worse than anything Reese and Gettleman did combined.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15929542 CMicks3110 said:
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Have you seen the rest of free agent wide receiver class? It’s awful!


How many times are we going to fall into this trap before you guys realize it's not the right move.

I told BBI that the Nate Solder contract was stupid. The response was, "what choice do we have?"

Dumb thinking.
RE: We already have a reciever on the roster for big money  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/3/2022 11:27 am : link
In comment 15929515 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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that contributes nothing. Why would we want two?


We also traded Toney who is a detriment to the Giants and contributing nothing to KC.
This is hilarious  
Milton : 12/3/2022 11:28 am : link
His agent is so obviously in full swing pimp mode and the media is going along with it for the clicks. OBJ is in it for the most guaranteed money possible (he doesn't give a shit about New York and its cold weather) and he and/or his agent view the Giants as the team most likely to overpay him, given a fan base that includes many who still love him (and others who view him far more realistically). And it doesn't hurt that the Giants currently have nothing at receiver.
On the flip  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 11:30 am : link
side, we know Daboll/Schoen want to address WR.

Wasn't the fallback in the draft Garrett Wilson?
RE: This is hilarious  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 11:31 am : link
In comment 15929580 Milton said:
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His agent is so obviously in full swing pimp mode and the media is going along with it for the clicks. OBJ is in it for the most guaranteed money possible (he doesn't give a shit about New York and its cold weather) and he and/or his agent view the Giants as the team most likely to overpay him, given a fan base that includes many who still love him (and others who view him far more realistically). And it doesn't hurt that the Giants currently have nothing at receiver.


I think there is something to this.
RE: Unless  
bw in dc : 12/3/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15929537 Eric from BBI said:
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Seems like a lot of NYG fans have nostalgia for guys like Beckham and Collins that don't seem to match up with the situation in 2022.


Exactly. Throw JPP into that mix, too.

Too many romantics in this fanbase...

As we learned in the deGrom to Texas thread.....  
GiantBlue : 12/3/2022 11:37 am : link
Wouldn't OBJ prefer Dallas simply for the no state tax alone?

It would seem we overpay at times because of the tax.

There will be plenty of nice WR's in the draft and FA.

If he isn't here to help us this year....and seeing Barkley realistically needing two years to get his burst back after one ACL.....is OBJ the same OBJ after two ACL's and within one year?

Pass
Logical thinking  
fkap : 12/3/2022 11:39 am : link
would say that OBJ has to prove he can still play. He would rather not have to do that. I would rather have a contract that doesn't gamble on him returning to solid form.

Anybody paying him medium to big bucks with medium to big guarantees is a fool. If he doesn't want a prove it deal that only pays if he contributes, let him head elsewhere.

Call me a major skeptic BUT  
Shecky : 12/3/2022 11:42 am : link
I read this two ways

Initially, I read this as OBJ leaking this to soften the blow (and OBJ bashing from NYC) when he doesn’t sign here. “Oh, he really really wanted to be a Giant. He loves the city and fans. Giants didn’t want him as much as he wanted them”

But then I got to the rest of the “news”. And all of a sudden OBJ doesn’t want to help a team THIS YEAR. Sure he can help in the playoffs (tease…). But it’s more about next year when he will be do I ant again

That screams to me that his medical aren’t exactly pretty he’s lowering expectations of what he can really do to help a team, yet still dangling that carrot about next year.

Reading these tea leaves with what is known he isn’t medically as good as he had hoped to be right now, but still wants to sign a big contract without pissing off Giants fans. Just my opinion.
I think that some people just assume...  
Jim in Tampa : 12/3/2022 11:46 am : link
that there's going to be a big market for OBJ, based on the noise that he and his agent are making.

OBJ, his agent and many BBIers may be surprised to learn that the price for a 30 year old, one-time-star WR coming off 2 ACLs won't be that high.

If the Giants can sign OBJ to a reasonable, fair-market-value contract, I hope they get it done.
I agree with Jim  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2022 12:05 pm : link
but Dallas is one team that probably will make a overpay. Jerry is pretty desperate to get the monkey off his back and he will make take that risk imv.
I suspect Schoen will put  
Dave on the UWS : 12/3/2022 12:06 pm : link
a number value on Beckham. If OBJ thinks he’s gonna get this guy over a barrel, he should think again. Would they like to have him? Of healthy, sure - for the right price. That will be the case right down the line with all their free agents. Schoen and Daboll are NOT going to look for the quick fix. They want sustainable success here. Screwing the cap next year for Beckham will NOT be in their plans.
Whether this year or next...  
bw in dc : 12/3/2022 12:12 pm : link
the last thing this team needs under this new regime is distractions.

And OBJ has distraction written all over him. Let another team deal with him.

Please.
RE: Whether this year or next...  
Jim in Tampa : 12/3/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15929634 bw in dc said:
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the last thing this team needs under this new regime is distractions.

And OBJ has distraction written all over him. Let another team deal with him.

Please.

Remember all the OBJ distractions the Rams when through on their way to a Super bowl championship?

Yeah, me neither.
RE: I completely agree - expectations should be low for '22  
Payasdaddy : 12/3/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15929446 csb said:
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My concern is that the Giants have a lot of cap space, but they also have some big-time players they will need to pay in the next couple years (Dex, AT, McKinney) and have huge open questions with how they handle Barkley and Jones. As much as I am enticed for a reunion it just doesn't feel like this is the right time to invest in a 30-year old WR coming off two ACL repairs. Everything I read says that OBJ will go where he is paid the most, but unless that is <$11/year I don't see how this would be a wise investment with this roster.

2024 giants cap space like 150 million
90 million of that may be taken up by extensions for jones, dex, saquon, at, x and love. Plus draft picks
If they want Odell, cash isn’t an issue. Part of his cash can be pushed to 2024 if needed. If nothing else. I can see him as a solid wr2 for 23-24. We barely have solid #4 wr at this point

Can also understand wanting to use cap space to build foundation. Little ahead of ourselves but we are still 4-6 starters short and need more depth
RE: We already have a reciever on the roster for big money  
Payasdaddy : 12/3/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15929515 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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that contributes nothing. Why would we want two?

Kg gone next yr. Will be released asap
We need 3 wrs
Odell could be one of them. And draft 2 more
Sign SS for vet minimum
Hope Wan’Dale comes back 100% by Oct
Ranaan "THINKS", but does not know anything...  
DefenseWins : 12/3/2022 12:25 pm : link
and also had nothing else that is fact based to write about.
The whole idea of brong OBJ back for anything less  
Essex : 12/3/2022 12:25 pm : link
than the vet minimum is sheer lunacy and would make me think twice that we have competent people running our team
I just want OBJ on the team  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/3/2022 12:28 pm : link
so we can get his sharp scouting eyed father compiling tape on Jones to determine once and all for if he sucks or not and end the debate tearing apart Giants fandom.
RE: Eric  
jvm52106 : 12/3/2022 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15929542 CMicks3110 said:
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Have you seen the rest of free agent wide receiver class? It’s awful!


A) it will change with teams needing massive cap space- Rams, BUCS, Eagles, Cowboys Seahawks etc all need cap space next year.

B) draft and or trade options will also be wide open..
RE: Unless  
fredgbrown : 12/3/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15929537 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm reading the tea leaves incorrectly, OBJ is not really looking to help a team this year but sign a contract now that would allow him to play in 2023.

If that's the case, I'm not sure he's a good fit here. Seems like a lot of NYG fans have nostalgia for guys like Beckham and Collins that don't seem to match up with the situation in 2022.
Why go on this tour now if can't help a team and can't pass a physical. If I was a gm I would tell him to come back when he was physically ready to play.
RE: RE: I completely agree - expectations should be low for '22  
monstercoo : 12/3/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15929645 Payasdaddy said:
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My concern is that the Giants have a lot of cap space, but they also have some big-time players they will need to pay in the next couple years (Dex, AT, McKinney) and have huge open questions with how they handle Barkley and Jones. As much as I am enticed for a reunion it just doesn't feel like this is the right time to invest in a 30-year old WR coming off two ACL repairs. Everything I read says that OBJ will go where he is paid the most, but unless that is <$11/year I don't see how this would be a wise investment with this roster.


2024 giants cap space like 150 million
90 million of that may be taken up by extensions for jones, dex, saquon, at, x and love. Plus draft picks
If they want Odell, cash isn’t an issue. Part of his cash can be pushed to 2024 if needed. If nothing else. I can see him as a solid wr2 for 23-24. We barely have solid #4 wr at this point

Can also understand wanting to use cap space to build foundation. Little ahead of ourselves but we are still 4-6 starters short and need more depth


Obj isn’t getting more than 11mil per year, that’d be crazy.

If he’s medically all right, Im sure he’ll contribute in 2022… we have WRs coming off the practice squad and starting every week.
fredgbrown  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 12:34 pm : link
From what I've read, he isn't working out. He's meeting but he's not running routes.

Jerry Jones said a week or two ago that he didn't know if Beckham could even pass a physical.
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Banks : 12/3/2022 1:03 pm : link
his last 2 seasons he averaged 45 and 38 yds/game. I can't imagine he'll have much to contribute and at the price he wants it may end up nearly as aggravating as Golladay. I wish him well, but I don't see this being a good fit
Bring him back!  
adamg : 12/3/2022 1:09 pm : link
LFG
OBJ possibly coming back is only a tad bit more interesting  
chick310 : 12/3/2022 1:17 pm : link
than saying that Victor Cruz or Hakeem Nicks is coming back.

The Giants future receivers are somewhere buried in the next 2 draft classes. Go find them.
Golladay & OBJ are similar and opposite ...  
Manny in CA : 12/3/2022 1:21 pm : link

BOTH WERE great players ...

BOTH ARE BROKEN ....

BOTH ARE expensive ...

Golladay is quiet; OBJ has a mouth ...

The Giants need to move on from BOTH

In looking the NYG from OBJ's perspective  
SCGiantsFan : 12/3/2022 1:22 pm : link
As some have mentioned he might not contribute much this year but he is really looking for a 20223 contract.

Looking at NYG realistically, DJ8 might actually walk and we'd have TT as QB or a rookie. Not ideally, situation and I know $$$ play a factor. We should be getting younger not older. As other have noted we have one highly paid WR who is not living up to the stupid contract that was offered him.

Yes. I like a good Hollywood ending to stories,but not in this case. Pass and move onto the draft. It is very unlikely he is adding anything to the team this year. Long to the future and the long term viability of the team.
I’m going to trust Schoen  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/3/2022 1:27 pm : link
If he has a plan let’s see it unfold. Do I want him back? Yes, but let’s see what happens.
RE: RE: Whether this year or next...  
bw in dc : 12/3/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15929641 Jim in Tampa said:
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the last thing this team needs under this new regime is distractions.

And OBJ has distraction written all over him. Let another team deal with him.

Please.


Remember all the OBJ distractions the Rams when through on their way to a Super bowl championship?

Yeah, me neither.


Are you comfortable that that wasn't the exception rather than the rule?
the entire decision here is to just pretend it's march 2023  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2022 1:48 pm : link
what contract would they offer him to improve the 2023 roster since WR is an obvious weakness and he might be the best WR available.

that's it.
anything in 2022 is gravy.

clearly they have some level of interest, which is unlikely to be based on anything he can do in 2022, and clearly they should be aware of what anderson and ranaan have now reported that OBJ is looking for a place he can play for multiple seasons.

so what is their level of multi-year interest? what is a reasonable projected multi-year value for OBJ?

is it similar to the 11.5m AAV Gallup got last offseason while rehabbing his ACL (term adjusted for age)?
I think Daboll would like to have OBJ in the WR room  
Hammer : 12/3/2022 1:50 pm : link
when he brings on next year's rookie class.

It is highly likely that the Giants will draft a WR on either day one or day two and will add more receiving talent on day three.

It would be nice to have a seasoned professional in the room mentoring the rookies and showing them how an NFL wideout prepares for game day.
RE: I think Daboll would like to have OBJ in the WR room  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15929739 Hammer said:
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when he brings on next year's rookie class.

It is highly likely that the Giants will draft a WR on either day one or day two and will add more receiving talent on day three.

It would be nice to have a seasoned professional in the room mentoring the rookies and showing them how an NFL wideout prepares for game day.

Nothing he has ever done would suggest that OBJ is a leader or a good mentor. Did you not follow the lead up to the playoff game with the Packers? That was his opportunity to lead. Basically, he led the tank job. Hiring OBJ is only about his on-field performance. There is no other value to him.
RE: Lmaoooo  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2022 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15929453 Tuckrule said:
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OBJ wants to be a giants. Unfinished business……..AS LONG AS HE GETD PAID. Thanks Jordan for the awesome report!
It would not have been unfinished business if he had not tanked the playoff game.
Eric on Li  
fkap : 12/3/2022 3:01 pm : link
we can't pretend it's March.

in March, OBJ would be able to show whether he's still got any legs. Right now, IF he's not working out, it's a guessing game whether OBJ can still run and cut.

For a minimal contract, it might be worth a risk.
Sign him please  
PhilSimms15 : 12/3/2022 3:13 pm : link
OBJ has matured; he’s got a ring and I think he wants back here to alter people’s perception of him. I’m all for it, I’d be thinking the signing is all about next season when perhaps the Giants will definitely be able to compete for a title.

Right away becomes the best receiver the Giants have had since, well since himself.
RE: Eric on Li  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15929814 fkap said:
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we can't pretend it's March.

in March, OBJ would be able to show whether he's still got any legs. Right now, IF he's not working out, it's a guessing game whether OBJ can still run and cut.

For a minimal contract, it might be worth a risk.


he's not likely to workout in march either. he's going to under go a physical and medical review like any other FA.
Cleveland 15-8  
jmalls23 : 12/3/2022 5:54 pm : link
Mitchell and Garland leading the way. We have Randle and RJ. totally gross
oops apologies  
jmalls23 : 12/3/2022 5:57 pm : link
wrong chat+
Passing a Physical  
jpennyva : 12/3/2022 6:23 pm : link
The issue about OBJ passing a physical - I legit do not know entirely what is included in the type of physical he would have to pass and if it is rigorous enough to truly demonstrate potential effectiveness if it doesn't include a workout as well. In any case, I trust JS and BD to make the best decision for the Giants both from the team and salary standpoint. And I haven't had this kind of trust of a GM and HC in a long time.
RE: Passing a Physical  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15929989 jpennyva said:
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The issue about OBJ passing a physical - I legit do not know entirely what is included in the type of physical he would have to pass and if it is rigorous enough to truly demonstrate potential effectiveness if it doesn't include a workout as well. In any case, I trust JS and BD to make the best decision for the Giants both from the team and salary standpoint. And I haven't had this kind of trust of a GM and HC in a long time.


that's the case with almost all free agents. in the nfl a bunch of guys sign in the middle of rehabs. bud dupree a few years ago in TEN. gallup extended last offseason in the middle of a rehab. the teams review the MRIs and medical info they get and rarely get veterans to work out for them.

mike mccarthy was asked the workout question re obj and here was what he said:



obviously none of us have the info and im sure even schoen like mccarthy wants to gather as much info as he can in the process.

my point is that they probably have about the same info they would have in march 2023 and that's how they need to look at the decision to add him. presumably they have, and still have interest or else why bother going through the dog and pony show?
RE: Eric  
Matt M. : 12/3/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15929542 CMicks3110 said:
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Have you seen the rest of free agent wide receiver class? It’s awful!
So what? Who says he's any better right now? He wants a big payday now to include the next 2-3 seasons. That is insane, especially considering he may not even do a damn thing this year.
RE: fredgbrown  
Matt M. : 12/3/2022 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15929661 Eric from BBI said:
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From what I've read, he isn't working out. He's meeting but he's not running routes.

Jerry Jones said a week or two ago that he didn't know if Beckham could even pass a physical.
There's a good chance that's also Jones posturing so others are scared off.
RE: RE: RE: Whether this year or next...  
Matt M. : 12/3/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15929731 bw in dc said:
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the last thing this team needs under this new regime is distractions.

And OBJ has distraction written all over him. Let another team deal with him.

Please.


Remember all the OBJ distractions the Rams when through on their way to a Super bowl championship?

Yeah, me neither.



Are you comfortable that that wasn't the exception rather than the rule?
Exactly. That's 1/2 of a season out of almost his entire career. Hell, he's not even on a team right now and he's a distraction for a number of them.
RE: RE: Eric  
giantstock : 12/3/2022 11:42 pm : link
In comment 15929573 Eric from BBI said:
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Have you seen the rest of free agent wide receiver class? It’s awful!



How many times are we going to fall into this trap before you guys realize it's not the right move.

I told BBI that the Nate Solder contract was stupid. The response was, "what choice do we have?"

Dumb thinking.


Unbelievable, isn't it? Incredible how some on here on this thread haven't learned about Solder. Dealing for mediocrity while overpaying isn't smart. Mediocrity does absolutely nothing for this team by the time this guy is ready.

And after we sign him. and then when it doesn't work out, these same posters that wanted him so bad will make the same dumb comments that were made after the Solder failure that they knew it was dumb but the Giants HAD to do it.
What if  
jmdvm : 12/4/2022 2:10 am : link
he can't pass a physical exam?
RE: What if  
BigBlueShock : 12/4/2022 6:53 am : link
In comment 15930156 jmdvm said:
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he can't pass a physical exam?

Is this a trick question?
Beckham said he wants to sign with a team that has a chance to win  
GeofromNJ : 12/4/2022 7:48 am : link
it all. If this is the case, it ain't the NY Giants, not this year, and likely not next year. Let him be overpaid by Dallas or Buffalo. The Giants shouldn't be spending cap money on a receiver who likely lost his quickness and who might go down at any time.
RE: RE: Unless  
HomerJones45 : 12/4/2022 7:56 am : link
In comment 15929592 bw in dc said:
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Seems like a lot of NYG fans have nostalgia for guys like Beckham and Collins that don't seem to match up with the situation in 2022.



Exactly. Throw JPP into that mix, too.

Too many romantics in this fanbase...
Has always been the case. New Yorkers love a prodigal son story.
RE: RE: What if  
jmdvm : 12/4/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15930164 BigBlueShock said:
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he can't pass a physical exam?


Is this a trick question?


Everyone is assuming his knee will pass a physical. What if it doesn't?
RE: RE: RE: What if  
Milton : 12/4/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15930858 jmdvm said:
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he can't pass a physical exam?


Is this a trick question?



Everyone is assuming his knee will pass a physical. What if it doesn't?
Nobody but those whose salary depends on clicks is assuming anything (and even they aren't assuming he will pass a physical, they're just conveniently leaving it out of their report).
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