But yeah, that third quarter was an epic collapse. We play again tomorrow, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Thibs get fired between tomorrow and Wednesday.
a game Fournier should be starting at minimum he can be a microwave scorer.
All this great defense from Grimes and Cam, what does it get us? This team has no identity or consistency from anyone player, this hole is getting deeper, and deeper 42 wins is a pipe dream if we are on pace for 30 to 35 wins by the deadline they should blow this thing up, complete fire sale, and tank.
I like most young players on this team but they are all role players and none are all-stars and have little value to the league, Knicks fans inflate their own players' talent.
They have a bunch of winnable games coming up and if it doesn't happen we need to think about a complete change of direction.
Sad days Knicks fans, I think we are going back to the beginning again.
Young players not developing or being misused in this dumb system
You've got Randle aka Julio Dangerfield (No Respect) still having a negative impact on this team,despite trying to not sulk as much publicly.
Thibodeau looks done.But you can't trust the front office to hire a replacement because they don't even qualify as done, due to the fact they never were anything.
But as soon as they happens, the crosshairs are on Leon Rose and Worlwide Wes etc. I think it’s time for people to realize the Knicks are run by a glorified runner/ fixer and a player agent that have no clue how to build an nba team.
It’s time to fully clean house- can’t give these clowns another offseason. I might even fire them in season…
The front office has failed, I hate the fact of it but it's the reality.
Horrible Free agent signings besides Brunson.
Re-upping mediocre players.
Unsuccessful trades.(Rose would be the exception)
As much as we love our young players from the outside they are not that good.
Toppin was a top 10 pick that still doesn't get minutes. Quickley doesn't get minutes. Grimes does but is showing to be a summer league champion. (See Kevin Knox).
Draft picks are successful when they are starting and developing to outside teams
They swong and missed on Mitchell.
Also they hired Thibs and have stuck with him.
Time to wipe the slate and rebuild this thing as quick as possible, we could still tank for the Frenchman.
every game i feel like a different player or coach needs to go, its just really maddening seeing some of the talent on this team wasted every single night..
Rotations mismanaged, certain players getting longer leashes then other players, no in game adjustments, same rotation every single game..
From management, no moves, plenty of assets, yet no moves, scared to make the big move..
Team desperetely needs to just pick a direction, if you want to go all vets, fine, then make moves to improve the team..
If you want the youth to play and move toward the future, great, trade randle, Rose and Fournier see where the team is at..
Let Brunson rock with the kids, lets see how everyone fits and then pounce when a star becomes available
Fire Leon Rose , Wes and Thibs. Perry or eller will be interim GM.
- do whatever it takes to move Randle. Take back bad salary, attach picks whatever. Can’t have him putting up empty stats and empty wins against shitty teams.
- trade Drose and Quickley. Hopefully recoup some picks that it will probably take to dump Randle.
- doubt its possible now, but explore dealing Barrett.
- if there’s any interest in either- move Robinson or Hartenstein.
It’s honestly the only reasonable direction to take at this point. Do your best to have a shot at being at the top of a loaded draft.
Hire the best experienced NBA GM/ exec this summer and let him build a team.
Which definitely deserves blame but there is a lack of real talent on this team.
It's a badly constructed team.
I disagree. This team is good enough to make the playoffs. We need a proper coach to do that. But it's easily feasible. At this rate, we're a lotto team.
Win or lose the structure is finally there. I am confident in that. Knicks need to hire a young smart coach and get rid of the dead sleepy players. Randle is the start
Win or lose the structure is finally there. I am confident in that. Knicks need to hire a young smart coach and get rid of the dead sleepy players. Randle is the start
What structure could you possibly be confident in?
At this point I hope Thibs is fired soon so the coaching excuse goes away. This roster doesn't have much talent and is poorly constructed.
You can't trust Randle or RJ.
Brunson is the most consistent but he is not a player that can put a team on his back and has limitations.
Everyone else has moments both good and bad but not one of them has stood out.
A new coach would be fun but the front office needs to make personnel decisions that they are not willing to make.
I think they win 35 games even if you think they are a .500 team talent wise it's no man's land.
They don't have a lot of cap space and contracts they can't move without adding 1st with to move.
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jmalls23 : 10:29 pm : link : reply
Win or lose the structure is finally there. I am confident in that. Knicks need to hire a young smart coach and get rid of the dead sleepy players. Randle is the start
The Giants finally have the proper structure. The Knicks are a mess!
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This is probably the easiest 10 game stretch until March.
Gotta go 7-3 to get back above .500 and to stay close to a play in .
Sorry I don't see it.
In comment 15930432 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15930118 adamg said:
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays better defense than Obi who is the next option
I don't agree at all, at least Obi is working and trying to defend, Randle takes games off and stands like a statue
I'm not talking about perceived effort, I'm talking about actual defense. I lkove Obi but the reality is Obi is often lost and currently can't defense as well as Randle.
But yeah, that third quarter was an epic collapse. We play again tomorrow, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Thibs get fired between tomorrow and Wednesday.
Every. Game.
First time that’s ever happened in Knicks franchise history."
All this great defense from Grimes and Cam, what does it get us? This team has no identity or consistency from anyone player, this hole is getting deeper, and deeper 42 wins is a pipe dream if we are on pace for 30 to 35 wins by the deadline they should blow this thing up, complete fire sale, and tank.
I like most young players on this team but they are all role players and none are all-stars and have little value to the league, Knicks fans inflate their own players' talent.
They have a bunch of winnable games coming up and if it doesn't happen we need to think about a complete change of direction.
Sad days Knicks fans, I think we are going back to the beginning again.
Against a meh Mavs team. Just fucking embarrassing.
It’s disgusting how he gets out coaches every game and his substitutions are horrendous. So fucking stubborn
You've got Randle aka Julio Dangerfield (No Respect) still having a negative impact on this team,despite trying to not sulk as much publicly.
Thibodeau looks done.But you can't trust the front office to hire a replacement because they don't even qualify as done, due to the fact they never were anything.
Just a bad mix
It’s time to fully clean house- can’t give these clowns another offseason. I might even fire them in season…
Horrible Free agent signings besides Brunson.
Re-upping mediocre players.
Unsuccessful trades.(Rose would be the exception)
As much as we love our young players from the outside they are not that good.
Toppin was a top 10 pick that still doesn't get minutes. Quickley doesn't get minutes. Grimes does but is showing to be a summer league champion. (See Kevin Knox).
Draft picks are successful when they are starting and developing to outside teams
They swong and missed on Mitchell.
Also they hired Thibs and have stuck with him.
Time to wipe the slate and rebuild this thing as quick as possible, we could still tank for the Frenchman.
Leon Rose should be getting way more heat than he’s getting.
Rotations mismanaged, certain players getting longer leashes then other players, no in game adjustments, same rotation every single game..
From management, no moves, plenty of assets, yet no moves, scared to make the big move..
Team desperetely needs to just pick a direction, if you want to go all vets, fine, then make moves to improve the team..
If you want the youth to play and move toward the future, great, trade randle, Rose and Fournier see where the team is at..
Let Brunson rock with the kids, lets see how everyone fits and then pounce when a star becomes available
- do whatever it takes to move Randle. Take back bad salary, attach picks whatever. Can’t have him putting up empty stats and empty wins against shitty teams.
- trade Drose and Quickley. Hopefully recoup some picks that it will probably take to dump Randle.
- doubt its possible now, but explore dealing Barrett.
- if there’s any interest in either- move Robinson or Hartenstein.
It’s honestly the only reasonable direction to take at this point. Do your best to have a shot at being at the top of a loaded draft.
Hire the best experienced NBA GM/ exec this summer and let him build a team.
Every. Game.
First time that’s ever happened in Knicks franchise history."
This is really it. Thibs is the real culprit here.
Maybe they’ll take some future lottery protected 1sts… Lol.
Never say never but it sounds like he’s not going anywhere. Just signed a new deal.
It's a badly constructed team.
It's a badly constructed team.
The problem is we have no idea what the full potential of a lot of these kids...
They jist dont have big enough roles and minutes
It's a badly constructed team.
I disagree. This team is good enough to make the playoffs. We need a proper coach to do that. But it's easily feasible. At this rate, we're a lotto team.
It's a badly constructed team.
Yep. Both Thibs and Rose should go.
Both!
What structure could you possibly be confident in?
At this point I hope Thibs is fired soon so the coaching excuse goes away. This roster doesn't have much talent and is poorly constructed.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
Brunson is the most consistent but he is not a player that can put a team on his back and has limitations.
Everyone else has moments both good and bad but not one of them has stood out.
A new coach would be fun but the front office needs to make personnel decisions that they are not willing to make.
I think they win 35 games even if you think they are a .500 team talent wise it's no man's land.
They don't have a lot of cap space and contracts they can't move without adding 1st with to move.
jmalls23 : 10:29 pm : link : reply
Win or lose the structure is finally there. I am confident in that. Knicks need to hire a young smart coach and get rid of the dead sleepy players. Randle is the start
The Giants finally have the proper structure. The Knicks are a mess!
ATL
@Hornets
Sac
@chi
@chi
@indy
GS
Tor
Chi
This is probably the easiest 10 game stretch until March.
Gotta go 7-3 to get back above .500 and to stay close to a play in .
Sorry I don't see it.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays better defense than Obi who is the next option
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In comment 15930118 adamg said:
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays better defense than Obi who is the next option
I don't agree at all, at least Obi is working and trying to defend, Randle takes games off and stands like a statue
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays great lockdown defense too. He's inconsistent. That's on the coach.
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In comment 15930118 adamg said:
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays great lockdown defense too. He's inconsistent. That's on the coach.
“Great lockdown defense”? Are we watching the same team and player?
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In comment 15930432 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15930118 adamg said:
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays great lockdown defense too. He's inconsistent. That's on the coach.
“Great lockdown defense”? Are we watching the same team and player?
When Randle is trying on defense. He's really good.
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In comment 15930432 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15930118 adamg said:
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Thibs is the problem.
Randle is actually playing pretty well.
He plays terrible, lazy defense.
He plays better defense than Obi who is the next option
I don't agree at all, at least Obi is working and trying to defend, Randle takes games off and stands like a statue
I'm not talking about perceived effort, I'm talking about actual defense. I lkove Obi but the reality is Obi is often lost and currently can't defense as well as Randle.