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YANKEE28 : 12/3/2022 4:55 pm
Dan Duggan
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• Ojulari and Jefferson were activated.

• Vannett was signed to the active roster and Hudson was waived.

• DL Vernon Butler and CB Zyon Gilbert were elevated from the P-squad.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2022 4:58 pm : link

Nicki Jhabvala
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Commanders DE Chase Young will work out before Sunday’s game against the Giants, but is unlikely to play, per source.

The team is bringing him along slowly — and can because the defensive line is playing well.
stapleton and ranaan reporting gates starting at LG  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2022 5:01 pm : link
both lines should be improved from the last few weeks.

heinecke doesn't take a lot of sacks but he does throw picks. if they can keep him in 3rd and long ojulari and thibodeaux on 3rd downs are going to be key. the secondary is obviously still subpar but there should be plays there to make.
Low key re: TE  
DavidinBMNY : 12/3/2022 5:13 pm : link
The position just improved. We now have 3 TE plus an H back on the 53.

Cager more the "big wr" type. 2 guys not on the original 53 have now displaced Hudson.

I expect heavy TE usage this game.

Hudson frustrated me  
Breeze_94 : 12/3/2022 5:37 pm : link
Feel like every time he caught the ball it was a yard or 2 short of the sticks and always got tackled without getting the yardage necessary to extend the drive.

RE: Low key re: TE  
bluefin : 12/3/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15929959 DavidinBMNY said:
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The position just improved. We now have 3 TE plus an H back on the 53.

Cager more the "big wr" type. 2 guys not on the original 53 have now displaced Hudson.

I expect heavy TE usage this game.

That’s promising, maybe they can run the Jones roll-out that moved the chains well early in the season.
I don't know how many times I've said it this week  
Matt M. : 12/3/2022 6:06 pm : link
I don't like even the idea of Gates at LG. He is the only person on the roster who has played OC at a high level in the NFLand Feliciano is a natural G. Why would you move Gates to G? Once he proved he was healthy and could start, he should have been cemented as the OC.
It is concerning  
ChicagoMarty : 12/3/2022 6:09 pm : link
that Zyon Gilbert cb was elevated.

Does that mean Fabian is out?

Every little bit helps.  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/3/2022 6:09 pm : link
TE may not be a glaring weakness down the stretch.

Might need to temper expectations with Ojulari, but the pass rush could sure use a bookend for Thibodeaux.

What Jefferson lacks at this stage in range and flexibility, he makes up for somewhat with command of the system. Nice add with McKinney’s status unknown.

No OL elevation , so I guess Glowinski is OK.

The Gilbert elevation might be a tell re. Moreau or Flott.

I hope Butler can relieve some of the load on Lawrence and Williams.
RE: I don't know how many times I've said it this week  
dancing blue bear : 12/3/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15929978 Matt M. said:
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I don't like even the idea of Gates at LG. He is the only person on the roster who has played OC at a high level in the NFLand Feliciano is a natural G. Why would you move Gates to G? Once he proved he was healthy and could start, he should have been cemented as the OC.


I’m with you. It wasn’t even close either. On the broadcast copy in real time it seemed obvious to me that gates was better. Then he graded out higher then any game feliciano had this year. I guess we will see when bredeson gets back.
Glowinski has been pretty terrible the last few weeks. I’d like to see ezudu gates. Bredeson
The other thing  
Matt M. : 12/3/2022 6:19 pm : link
When Ezeudu and/or Bredeson are back, there should be no way Feliciano sees the field. I wouldn't move Gates at all, but especially not for 1 game and then move him back to OC when others get healthy.
RE: I don't know how many times I've said it this week  
k2tampa : 12/3/2022 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15929978 Matt M. said:
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I don't like even the idea of Gates at LG. He is the only person on the roster who has played OC at a high level in the NFLand Feliciano is a natural G. Why would you move Gates to G? Once he proved he was healthy and could start, he should have been cemented as the OC.


Not to mention the bad vibes of him at LG.
RE: Low key re: TE  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15929959 DavidinBMNY said:
[quote] The position just improved. We now have 3 TE plus an H back on the 53.

Cager more the "big wr" type. 2 guys not on the original 53 have now displaced Hudson.
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Cager and who else were not on the original 53?
I’m not sure adding Vannett is an improvement. Can he block better than Hudson?
I hope Gilbert has learned something while on the practice squad  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2022 6:34 pm : link
He was pretty bad earlier in the year.
RE: RE: Low key re: TE  
BillT : 12/3/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15929995 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 15929959 DavidinBMNY said:
[quote] The position just improved. We now have 3 TE plus an H back on the 53.

Cager more the "big wr" type. 2 guys not on the original 53 have now displaced Hudson.
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Cager and who else were not on the original 53?
I’m not sure adding Vannett is an improvement. Can he block better than Hudson?

Hudson is 6’5” 239. Vannett is 6’6” 261. Think it’s safe to say he can block better than Hudson who is not terrible but is a below average blocker.
Pimpleton not being elevated  
ChicagoMarty : 12/3/2022 6:54 pm : link
suggests that James is feeling well enough to play and be our returner.
While I agree that Gates should be at C  
robbieballs2003 : 12/3/2022 7:13 pm : link
This is different than last year. Last year he was only a C until Judge wanted to get the best 5 OL on the field, not the best unit. Gates went to LG and was really bad. The play he got injured on, he got best but so did our C. I am hoping he will be solid at LG since he has had practice time at the position this year. With all of thag said, I'd be playing him at C.
Gates best position by far is center.  
kelly : 12/3/2022 7:39 pm : link
I don't like putting him at guard. I don't like our interior o line verse their tackles.

At this point in the season I think Washington is the more talented team, I hope I am wrong.
Gilbert did some ko returns in college  
DavidinBMNY : 12/3/2022 7:53 pm : link
Maybe he is AP going to return punts.
RE: Gates best position by far is center.  
Jay on the Island : 12/3/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15930015 kelly said:
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I don't like putting him at guard. I don't like our interior o line verse their tackles.

At this point in the season I think Washington is the more talented team, I hope I am wrong.

What other option do they have? The only healthy guards are Gates, Glowinski, and Anderson.
RE: Gates best position by far is center.  
section125 : 12/3/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15930015 kelly said:
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I don't like putting him at guard. I don't like our interior o line verse their tackles.

At this point in the season I think Washington is the more talented team, I hope I am wrong.


Gates is better than Feliciano at Center. Who do ceners block? DTs and LBs. Same as guards. So he can handle DTs at LG.
We should look a tittle at the Washington roster moves  
ChicagoMarty : 12/3/2022 8:21 pm : link
Christian Holmes cb in for St. Juste

Holmes is big for a corner but not particularly fast.

Match up Slayton with Holmes and we just might have something
RE: RE: Gates best position by far is center.  
Matt M. : 12/3/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15930025 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15930015 kelly said:


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I don't like putting him at guard. I don't like our interior o line verse their tackles.

At this point in the season I think Washington is the more talented team, I hope I am wrong.


What other option do they have? The only healthy guards are Gates, Glowinski, and Anderson.
And Fleiciano.
Good  
AcidTest : 12/3/2022 10:02 pm : link
moves, but I'm not sure what we can reasonably expect from Butler, Vannett, or Ojulari. We have no receivers, the OL is unsettled, Barkley is hurting, and the secondary is a mess. But I don't care. Win the game anyway.
RE: While I agree that Gates should be at C  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2022 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15930010 robbieballs2003 said:
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This is different than last year. Last year he was only a C until Judge wanted to get the best 5 OL on the field, not the best unit. Gates went to LG and was really bad. The play he got injured on, he got best but so did our C. I am hoping he will be solid at LG since he has had practice time at the position this year. With all of thag said, I'd be playing him at C.

Robbie, love ya,man, but what are you saying?
As others, I have bad vibes about Nick at LG
not having Golladay  
Rory : 12/4/2022 12:19 am : link
is not good, I know he's struggling but he's a big player the opposing DB's have to pay attention too at all times plus he's a pretty efficient blocker.
RE: not having Golladay  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2022 9:02 am : link
In comment 15930150 Rory said:
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is not good, I know he's struggling but he's a big player the opposing DB's have to pay attention too at all times plus he's a pretty efficient blocker.


If Sills plays he can block. Hodgins can block , Cager could play a bit of Golladay plays and block. KG's snap counts say he isn't on the field enough to say he is a loss..
RE: RE: RE: Low key re: TE  
Mike from Ohio : 12/4/2022 9:37 am : link
In comment 15930005 BillT said:
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In comment 15929995 Ivan15 said:


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In comment 15929959 DavidinBMNY said:
[quote] The position just improved. We now have 3 TE plus an H back on the 53.

Cager more the "big wr" type. 2 guys not on the original 53 have now displaced Hudson.
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Cager and who else were not on the original 53?
I’m not sure adding Vannett is an improvement. Can he block better than Hudson?


Hudson is 6’5” 239. Vannett is 6’6” 261. Think it’s safe to say he can block better than Hudson who is not terrible but is a below average blocker.


I think it also safe to say there is a lot more to blocking ability than size. Those extra 22 pounds don’t mean anything if you’re recognition and technique are poor.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 10:03 am : link
TE position looks much better now than it did in September.
RE: the  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15930257 Eric from BBI said:
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TE position looks much better now than it did in September.


not sure if you listened to the TE coach talk about bellinger this week but he was pretty effusive in how much time bellinger put in off the field and how much farther he is mentally now then he was when got hurt in terms of understanding the offense.

he had already been making a lot of plays and performing at a high level, if he can step it up to another gear that could be a big impact down the stretch.
RE: RE: the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15930261 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15930257 Eric from BBI said:


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TE position looks much better now than it did in September.



not sure if you listened to the TE coach talk about bellinger this week but he was pretty effusive in how much time bellinger put in off the field and how much farther he is mentally now then he was when got hurt in terms of understanding the offense.

he had already been making a lot of plays and performing at a high level, if he can step it up to another gear that could be a big impact down the stretch.


Yes, I heard that, but I was talking more about Vannett and Cager now being on the 53-man roster.
Who is Vannett?  
Carson53 : 12/4/2022 12:28 pm : link
Never heard of him? Bringing in Butler might help, need depth.
RE: Who is Vannett?  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/4/2022 12:55 pm : link
Carson53 said:
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Never heard of him? Bringing in Butler might help, need depth.

Nick Vannett was a solid prospect coming out of OSU. Third-round pick in Seattle. Giants are his fifth team, but he’s a decent all-around TE. Should be a big upgrade over Hudson, at least as a blocker.
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