Why go into a shell only up by 7. It felt like we weren't even trying to get a 1st down. This may make sense if you had the OL to pull off running plays when the other team knows you're going to do it, but we don't. We have to have balance and keep the defense off balance.
I thought that the offensive line hamstrung them early, then they couldn’t run a lick after they got to 20. Jones didn’t throw a ball to anyone besides Slayton for seemingly 2 quarters and you see how that goes.
I look forward to the Sy review to see if people were open and Jones missed them because that’s somehow less depressing than no one being open.
But it was spectacularly stupid and actually one of the knocks against him when we signed him. Having a ten point lead late in the 4th would’ve been pretty nice.
One, the Feliciano boneheaded penalty. They were almost in FG position already. Going up 2 scores would have been huge. Instead, the shitty good for nothing OC decides to walk across half the field, into a pack of 4 defenders, and decides to flex.
Two, the Slayton drop on the deep ball at the end of the 4th. It took balls to go for it like that and they got what they wanted. He blew it.
The next play was James fucking up the read option on 3td and 2. I didn't like the call, but his screw up didn't help.
This is a game that was there for them to take. They handed a tie to Washington and this could come back to bite them in the ass.
Really thought for sure we were going to lose this one once it went to OT. 7-4-1 and in the playoff hunt. Not terrible once you stop agonizing over that 4th down play by Heineke or the Felician Flex.
RE: RE: Feliciano probably cost us the W in regulation
But the Daboll from Week One seemed to be gone today
Nope.
It’s almost never one play over 60 minutes.
This game is on our terrible offense 100% if you are looking for someone / some thing to blame this mess of a game on.
Yes, but I mean if Feliciano didn't have that taunting penalty, we would've been in pretty dan good field position. We could've probably gotten into FG range.
the Giants were going to win They did well to come away with the tie. The play calling and execution were again just terrible, the defense seems like it has regressed.
RE: Anyone got a pic of Feliciano showing his muscles?
Yup and Kafka is on my shit list today as well. Four second half drives in a row with terrible first down calls. Run into the line is BS. Not one play action instead or anything else for that matter.
Really starting to wonder if he’s the guy to call the O. Other than that this injury depleted team payed their hearts out . I know we got some guys back but missing two top DB’s was evident today.
Don't be an idiot. They had plenty of chances to move the ball. The offense sucked the entire 2nd half but go ahead and go for the low hanging fruit and blame it on Feliciano
not sure if injury or what but I don't have the same confidence in him I did at the beginning of the year. Most kickers can get the distance on 57 yarders.
That stupid ass play by Feliciano when the real disaster is right in front of our faces — the entire offense.
The offense was horrendous after they got to 20 points, but the Feliciano penalty was one of the dumbest things in the history of professional football.
was awful. His ultra conservative play calling is maddening. As before, he continues to run Barkley against eight man boxes. No misdirection, no using him as a decoy, no play fakes with him on the field. Whether because of the OL, Jones, or are lack of WRs, he's terrified of throwing the ball, especially on first down. But that's exactly when you want to throw the ball with a bad OL, suspect QB, and no WRs. And why no Breida or Brightwell?
Feliciano, Gates, and Glowinski were awful.
Moreau was burned a lot of McLaruin in the first half, but we did a better job containing him in the second.
Horrendous tackling all day, except by Love, who was excellent again, along with Lawrence. That fourth and four desperation heave by Heinicke was a killer. It looked like Flott lost Samuel on the play.
Don't blame Gano on that 58 yard FG. It's cold and that's a long kick.
Didn't see enough from Barkley or Jones to justify keeping them frankly. Time is running out for both.
RE: RE: Daboll called a TO with 9 secs on the play clock
The second half O was....yikes. Give credit to the D. All the plays on the field and they still found a way to do its job. Down X, Jackson and then Williams in the second half.
Just one O drive in the second half might have been enough outside of the one where the D created the turnover.
By the coaches and the players.No excuse and doesn’t matter that no one thought they’d be decent this year. Feliciano is too marginal a player to be given a pass for stupidity. No WRs and a conservative playcaller trying not to lose. These are theGiants we all expected. At least the secondary has an excuse.
That stupid ass play by Feliciano when the real disaster is right in front of our faces — the entire offense.
Yet without that stupid penalty they most likely go up two scores late. Were you watching the same game? It was a huge setback and a needless stupid one as well.
playcalling had a lot to do with it. However lets not forget the defense let Wash convert a 4th and 20 (or whatever) from their own 10, and then let them go right down the field for a TD. That is pretty pathetic too
RE: When I watch and don’t see much difference between Jones & Heinicke
Because Heinicke has McLaurin, Samuel, and Dotson, and Jones has Slayton (body catcher almost cut), Jones (body catcher picked up as a street free agent) and Hodgins (waived by the Bills). I've always said I don't know what Jones is or can be, but if you don't see the difference in the two situations, well, sorry, but you're blind. Not to mention Heinicke was playing against a defensive backfield without it's two best players.
was awful. His ultra conservative play calling is maddening. As before, he continues to run Barkley against eight man boxes. No misdirection, no using him as a decoy, no play fakes with him on the field. Whether because of the OL, Jones, or are lack of WRs, he's terrified of throwing the ball, especially on first down. But that's exactly when you want to throw the ball with a bad OL, suspect QB, and no WRs. And why no Breida or Brightwell?.
I thought that they got wildly conservative when the pass protection was atrocious early. But some of the playcalling was inexcusable. The 3rd down play before the Giants FG was a give up play. It’s 3rd & 5 and they didn’t even try to get it. They never use Breida regardless of how shitty Barkley looks.
Except the big passes they called to try and win the game but Slayton dropped. Actually watch the game before commenting.
They sat on the lead 20-13 and expected the Defense to be perfect . All the Aggressiveness and creativity from beginning of the season is gone
I disagree. I don’t think they sat on the lead. The offense was just flat out awful for the next 4 or 5 drives. The only time it showed a pulse, Fat Feliciano decided to be an asshole.
It's pretty much WCO with the RARE, OCCASIONAL deep ball. But it's just...weird.
It's like Daboll and Kafka don't trust his arm, but once in a while they'll draw up a play like they're coaching Allen or Mahomes.
We will never know what the playcall is vs what Jones may or may not change it to. This is a hard point to be critical on.
I'm talking about the playcalling, in general, this season. We've got to be last in big plays, right?
I wish I knew where to look that up. Maybe check Jones's passing plays over 20 and see where that would rank but even that isn't the whole story. I think you're probably right.
What I don't understand is if the defense is putting more people in the box to stop the run, then why aren't we throwing more to take advantage?? This offense seems like it can't get out of its own way in key situations!
RE: RE: RE: When I watch and don’t see much difference between Jones & Heinicke
not sure if injury or what but I don't have the same confidence in him I did at the beginning of the year. Most kickers can get the distance on 57 yarders.
He hit a 57 yarder two games ago.
That should never be automatic until they let robot legs on the field.
when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
What kind of deal would you be ok with Jones signing?
RE: When I watch and don’t see much difference between Jones & Heinicke
Do you see much difference the the receiving corps?
Because that was the difference in the game today, that plus the Giants inability to run the ball in the 2nd half.
Performance from Daboll and the offensive staff today.
Week 1, I praised Daboll for playing to win. He did the exact opposite of that today. The offense was conservative all game- dink and dunk, playing not to turn the ball over, and keeping Washington in the game.
At the end of the first half- what the heck was that? The QB run on 3rd and 1 with no timeouts? Why not call a play that gives the team a shot to score a TD?
Also, the timeout they used in OT—horrible clock management. Washington had a 3rd and long, 30 seconds ran off the play clock, and then they decide to use a TO as Washington was lining up on a 3rd and long inside their own 10. By calling that Timeout when they did, the Giants guaranteed the best they could do was get the ball back with less than 30 seconds and no timeouts. Ended up being the difference as they only had time to set up a 58 yard field goal- which was clearly out of Gano’s range.
Lastly…Gano. The guy has been money but guys are making 58 yard field goals with ease in this day and age. The same guy who boots a 63 yard er against them and now he comes up 5 yards short. It wasn’t the elements- he didn’t strike the ball well
when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
He got tackled at the one against the Cowboys on a great play, so semantics. He also had the best play on offense. That ball was either incomplete or picked if Slayton doesn’t battle and get to the inside of the two defenders.
RE: RE: RE: RE: just look at the Dotson TD against us
The second half O was....yikes. Give credit to the D. All the plays on the field and they still found a way to do its job. Down X, Jackson and then Williams in the second half.
Just one O drive in the second half might have been enough outside of the one where the D created the turnover.
They had the drive but Feliciano’s flex negated it.
is too inconsistent to retain IMO. He make plays, but has suspect hands, as demonstrated by the fact that he has the second highest drop rate in the NFL. The only reason he even gets so many looks is that no one else can get deep, and the rest of our receivers are subpar. Remember that the Giants would have cut Slayton before the season if he didn't take a pay cut. Hodgins is the only WR who should even come to camp next year. (I assume Wan'Dale will start on the PUP.)
make a really nice clean catch on it, and then lose the ball when he just is trying to tuck it into his stomach, and IMPORTANTLY the defender did not touch the ball at any stage?
I've heard of eye-and coordination problems but this was more like an eye-stomach coordination thing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: just look at the Dotson TD against us
Horrendous tackling all day, except by Love, who was excellent again, along with Lawrence. That fourth and four desperation heave by Heinicke was a killer. It looked like Flott lost Samuel on the play.
Don't blame Gano on that 58 yard FG. It's cold and that's a long kick.
Didn't see enough from Barkley or Jones to justify keeping them frankly. Time is running out for both.
Agree with all of this.
Love was outstanding. Guy deserves serious Pro Bowl consideration.
Heinicke is beyond irritating to play. He pulls some stuff out of his ass.
That was indeed a difficult kick for Gano. I was thinking it was a 25% of < for him to make it...
I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: just look at the Dotson TD against us
when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
He got tackled at the one against the Cowboys on a great play, so semantics. He also had the best play on offense. That ball was either incomplete or picked if Slayton doesn’t battle and get to the inside of the two defenders.
Look, I like Slayton. I think he does make some really good plays. But it's not like I'm watching DeSean Jackson out there. He is good. But he also has the highest drop percentage in the NFL since he's been here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When I watch and don’t see much difference between Jones & Heinicke
Sucked. Horrendous coaching. Play calling was Horrendous. I can go on and on but anyone with a brain knows this was blown by Daboll. Clock management borders on kindergarten level. Sickening
What I don't understand is if the defense is putting more people in the box to stop the run, then why aren't we throwing more to take advantage?? This offense seems like it can't get out of its own way in key situations!
They don’t have the horses to throw the ball 50 times. I wouldn’t be surprised if they burn 3 picks in the draft on WRs. The staff is doing what they can with the roster they have.
Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Does the fumble not count? Or just the Slayton drop?
Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Does the fumble not count? Or just the Slayton drop?
Fumble counts. It's a shit play. If he was fumbling all year like that I would probably feel the way you do about Jones. Because Slayton actually drops the ball at that rate...
Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Odell and a first or second rounder, plus an a high OL pick, and I'll be happy.
I said, the ultra conservative play calling is almost certainly because the coaches don't trust Jones, the OL, or our WRs. They are basically trying to win the game by running Barkley and Jones, getting long FGs from Gano, and hoping the defense can make enough stops.
The problem is that's not working anymore. But coaches are stubborn. The Giants have a winning record and for that reason alone likely won't change what they're doing, even though they should.
Until this team scores more than 20 ppg they're not ready to go anywhere. They score points at a remedial level.
This offense scores at a C+ rate. No one fears it. Success hinges on whether or not Barkley wakes up feeling good in the morning or not. There is no reason not to consider significant roster changes.
Answered when you could sense everyone was ready to turn on him like a wolfpack. It's still a bit of a Tua/Hurts situation. Give him quality receivers, Bellinger develops, more line help and I like his chances with a reasonable contract.
Offensive playcalling was horrible. Even worse when we had the lead.
Defense going to strange 3 man rush when Ximenes was sent jogging to center from Thibs side.
Need to draft QB, WR, CB, OG and MLB. Were are 2 years from competing, re-building is killing me.
I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
You know, that was the funny thing. That's exactly what I said to my wife, so why was there a penalty? My wife said he may have also said something that of course we couldn't hear.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
against the hottest team in the league. We could have won but we didn't lose. We're playing meaningful games in December. Enjoy.
I agree with this statement but with two caveats:
(1) There was nothing enjoyable today about watching the Giants offense, especially in the second half;
(2) I would enjoy this team a lot more if I was still rooting for the same team through Week 7 against Jax. But this is not the same team with all the crazy injuries.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
There is no way we offer a decent FA contract to a guy who drops more balls than any other wr in the nfl
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
Agree, amazing that we went into season with this group on paper:
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
As the season has progressed, I think the chances of a full tear down with Jones and Barkley not returning has gone up significantly. My point being that the assets they have will be used to get a QB in the draft.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
As the season has progressed, I think the chances of a full tear down with Jones and Barkley not returning has gone up significantly. My point being that the assets they have will be used to get a QB in the draft.
Jones carried the O today and Barkley is obviously hurt. Got anything else?
There is no way we offer a decent FA contract to a guy who drops more balls than any other wr in the nfl
I never said anything about Slayton's compensation. If he is as bad as everyone says, then the other teams will think the same and we can get him cheap.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
Agree, amazing that we went into season with this group on paper:
I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
Wow. Great analysis, if true, Didn’t consider this was what happened but it makes total sense.
Our interior offensive line was knocked 3 yards into the backfield on 80% of the snaps, our best receiver is most teams #3 or #4 receiver and that one of our starting corners was on the practice squad last week, I thought they held up well. They just don’t have enough quality personnel yet.
There a lot of tough decisions coming for next year, quarterback,running back, but if they don’t fix the offensive line and get somebody to throw to it won’t matter, plus another starting corner.
Nobody saw this team playing meaningful games in December, they overachieved early and now have come back to earth, plus have had too many players out with injuries.
One more offseason with money to spend and one more good draft, then hopefully a year with less injuries.
I for one am happy to have a team playing for something this time of year.
Happy Holidays!
I guess I’m just a glass half full guy. I think we have the GM, the coaches and a base to build on.
Continues to infuriate me. They 100% were playing for the field goal before halftime. What did they use their first timeout with 30 seconds left? Horrible. Same thing they did against Dallas
Jones carried the O today and Barkley is obviously hurt. Got anything else?
Huh? I wasn’t being critical of Jones. I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
As this season has progressed, this looks very similar to Sean McDonough’s first year in BUF.
RE: Feliciano probably cost us the W in regulation
I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.
They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.
I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
Wow. Great analysis, if true, Didn’t consider this was what happened but it makes total sense.
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It was a penalty, you can't run 20 yards across the field,
and flex in front of three players, just stupid by a veteran player too! As Parcells likes to say, 'stupid players make stupid mistakes'.
It's true, he's right...
I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.
They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.
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They are still rebuilding, needs more players, still too many holes on this team. They are not a playoff team,
but actually could get there? This game ending was deflating a bit, but overall I was hoping for 7 wins, can't complain too much if they don't make playoffs.
Its amazing how much closer a tie feels to a loss than a win
I was actually sanguine watching the game. I thought WFT was going to pull it out.
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Once it went to OT, I agree with you. The Giants last drive in regulation was abysmal. TWO long bombs, and another incompletion. This with 3 timeouts, and 1:45 on the clock?
I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
Wow. Great analysis, if true, Didn’t consider this was what happened but it makes total sense.
Stupid for him to even being running down field doing that in that situation. But, you can see in the replays that he is looking at Slayton and runs right past the three Washington defenders. Even they didn't flinch as they would have if they thought he was directing it at them. I'm sorry, but this is where the refs are overly calling the game.
Love, the only starter, looked like Ronnie Lott out there. And Fabian Moreau, who was on a practice squad to begin the season, was assigned primary coverage on McLaurin. The rest of the players could barely keep up.
The fact that Wink was able to coax the unit into only allowing 20 points is incredible. Hats off to the guy.
Ojulari. I was expecting the guy to do nothing and play a small number of plays. Instead, he had a really strong game. He will help turn that front 7 into a force.
Even with several gaping talent gaps (does Jaylon Smith still have enough speed to play in the league?), this unit is an emerging force.
But the Daboll from Week One seemed to be gone today
Nope.
It’s almost never one play over 60 minutes.
This game is on our terrible offense 100% if you are looking for someone / some thing to blame this mess of a game on.
This. The penalty was also questionable. Our offense acts under the belief that it is illegal to score more than 21 points in a game. The third and 3 play exemplified it. Wonder who is at fault on that. Now I know why Kafka calla vanilla games: the players are simpletons.
is going to be tough to take. We need Brederson and Ezeudu back so we can put Gates at center. Feliciano needs a seat on the bench. If they play this conservatively, it’s going to get ugly.
But it was spectacularly stupid and actually one of the knocks against him when we signed him. Having a ten point lead late in the 4th would’ve been pretty nice.
Agreed. Didn't cost them the game, but it was an incredibly stupid penalty.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When I watch and don’t see much difference between Jones & Heinicke
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Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did [/quote]
When his team needed a TD drive, Heinicke drove them down the field. After halftime, Jones got his team 7 points when he started at the plus 20. After that he didn’t do shit.
I am not a QB vs. QB guy, but if you had to ask which played better today it was clearly Heinicke.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
I think they can get two quality WRs this offseason and that will be a huge help.
In comment 15932191 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did
When his team needed a TD drive, Heinicke drove them down the field. After halftime, Jones got his team 7 points when he started at the plus 20. After that he didn’t do shit.
I am not a QB vs. QB guy, but if you had to ask which played better today it was clearly Heinicke. [/quote]
Ok, but I really think the play calling sucked - absolutely sucked in the 2nd half. Poor situational play calling. They kept trying to run Barkley and he kept getting stopped. No change of play calling. How many rollouts did they call in the 2nd half. I do not remember any and it was killing the WTFs in the 1st half.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
I think they can get two quality WRs this offseason and that will be a huge help.
What types though? Slot receivers? Tall contested-catch guys? Speedsters?
Is the most pressing need for this offense. After that, playmakers are needed at every position. Bellinger is a keeper but TE needs more. The rest of the playmakers all need upgrades. You can’t fix them all in one offseason, but there is nobody outside of the tackles that this offense can lose without being replaced. The rest of the talent is marginal.
Is the most pressing need for this offense. After that, playmakers are needed at every position. Bellinger is a keeper but TE needs more. The rest of the playmakers all need upgrades. You can’t fix them all in one offseason, but there is nobody outside of the tackles that this offense can lose without being replaced. The rest of the talent is marginal.
I agree but the talent vacuum at MLB is deep like the ocean.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When I watch and don’t see much difference between Jones & Heinicke
In comment 15932191 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did
When his team needed a TD drive, Heinicke drove them down the field. After halftime, Jones got his team 7 points when he started at the plus 20. After that he didn’t do shit.
I am not a QB vs. QB guy, but if you had to ask which played better today it was clearly Heinicke. [/quote]
Mike, I usually agree with you. However, Heinecke has a much better cadre of receivers than Jones.
came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.
came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.
pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.
came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
He runs 10 yards down the field to flex his muscles at a couple of players? What kind of stupid shit is that? He should have been penalized for stupidity.
came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.
LOL. We literally were in FG range until the refs called taunting.
Is your hatred of Jones so strong that you don't even know what the fuck happened??
came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.
LOL. We literally were in FG range until the refs called taunting.
Is your hatred of Jones so strong that you don't even know what the fuck happened??
In FG range and it would have been a first down I believe.
by the way - we didn't lose - even if you'd prefer it that way to shot on Jones for the remainder of the week
Hey fatty, I’ve said Jones wasn’t bad today, but keep creating narratives. Not sure what saying Feliciano is the only one responsible for the penalty has to do with Daniel Jones.
Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.
Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot
Again just more made up narratives from you. You know you can see peoples posts right? There’s literally not a day on this site you’re not an angry prick attacking people. You’re a middle aged man getting angry on a message board at people and name calling every time you step on here.
I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.
They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.
If the fans are okay with 4 years of gettleman they'll be okay with someone who can actually fix it.
RE: Its amazing how much closer a tie feels to a loss than a win
Our interior offensive line was knocked 3 yards into the backfield on 80% of the snaps, our best receiver is most teams #3 or #4 receiver and that one of our starting corners was on the practice squad last week, I thought they held up well. They just don’t have enough quality personnel yet.
There a lot of tough decisions coming for next year, quarterback,running back, but if they don’t fix the offensive line and get somebody to throw to it won’t matter, plus another starting corner.
Nobody saw this team playing meaningful games in December, they overachieved early and now have come back to earth, plus have had too many players out with injuries.
One more offseason with money to spend and one more good draft, then hopefully a year with less injuries.
I for one am happy to have a team playing for something this time of year.
Happy Holidays!
I guess I’m just a glass half full guy. I think we have the GM, the coaches and a base to build on.
Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.
Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot
Again just more made up narratives from you. You know you can see peoples posts right? There’s literally not a day on this site you’re not an angry prick attacking people. You’re a middle aged man getting angry on a message board at people and name calling every time you step on here.
Not a day??
I post on this site once a week ypou idiot - and guess what? Your ignorant ass is all over the place talking about Jones.
You are a middle aged man posting about a QB several hundred times a week - so why the fuck are you even bothered by what I do - you have enough time suck put into Jones that you shouldn't even care what my opinion is
pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.
Mis timed his jump too
The question is why did he have to jump at all? Why did he stop running and turn around? It’s entirely possible that the ball hits Slayton in stride if he keeps running.
The Feliciano penalty killed the Giant’s chance to put this game away but it was a really poor call by the refs who have basically taken over the game. This was one they should have let go. That said, anyone happen to know what JFs PFF grade is? Can’t be very good.
The big picture problems for the Giants are they can’t pass block (primarily Figueroa and Glowinski), they can’t stop the run, they can’t defend the pass when the game is on the line and the pass rush is still very inconsistent in spite of all the talk about it. This translates to a non-playoff team or, at best, one that gets knocked out in the first round.
pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.
Hmmm, that is absolutely false . It's fine, this board will never be honest about any player that they have already decided is not the guy.. Slayton flat out sucks. His inconsistent hands make Stacey Robinson and Byron Williams look like Drew Pearson and Tony Hill...
I am tired of the Let Me Prove my opinion by grasping at fucking straws vs just do an honest assessment.
Slaytons drop, Feliciano's stupid penalty and some very questionable play calls doomed this team today...
But it’s multiple threads of him getting nasty first over simple differing opinion.
You literally post hundreds of times a week about Jones - are you going to deny that??
How does a singular topic cause you to lose hours of your life a week? And you don't see any issue with that?
Again simply not true. You can see the threads I posted on this week.
Again for someone who doesn’t waste hours on here you seem to know a lot about what I do. I don’t consider discussing football with people I enjoy discussing football with losing hours of my life, but you know very little about me. It’s actually a break from getting paid to watch basketball during the week.
All you have are personal attacks. It’s kinda sad.
and James runs into Barkley. He did not know the play. It was a stupid call by the OC. Why run something complex like that? As for Jones. My biggest concern is his inability to make throws when on the move and not looking at the primary receiver. He is limited in his ability to survey the field. We are a very low scoring team and he is the QB. Tired of it. The 4th down long completion on the Wash. TD drive is classic last 5 years Giants. Should not have happened but it is reality for us fans.
Ojulari. I was expecting the guy to do nothing and play a small number of plays. Instead, he had a really strong game. He will help turn that front 7 into a force.
Even with several gaping talent gaps (does Jaylon Smith still have enough speed to play in the league?), this unit is an emerging force.
Agreed and this was a knocking of the cobwebs game since he hasn't really played this season.
was overall good today, although his fumble on the first possession was costly. As always, he's dealing with a bad interior OL, weak WRs, and an OC who insists on overusing Barkley, even against eight man boxes. Kafka frequently puts Jones in second and long situations, which just magnify the problems with the OL and WRs.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him, at least as of now. Many teams will be looking for a QB, and at least one will likely conclude that his problems are mostly caused by his OL and WRs.
The Feliciano penalty killed the Giant’s chance to put this game away but it was a really poor call by the refs who have basically taken over the game. This was one they should have let go. That said, anyone happen to know what JFs PFF grade is? Can’t be very good.
The big picture problems for the Giants are they can’t pass block (primarily Figueroa and Glowinski), they can’t stop the run, they can’t defend the pass when the game is on the line and the pass rush is still very inconsistent in spite of all the talk about it. This translates to a non-playoff team or, at best, one that gets knocked out in the first round.
Agree with everything, though the Giants defense bailed out the offense all day today.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?
I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.
I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?
I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.
(1) The FT is a one year commitment, but it will be about $31.5M for a QB in 2023 IIRC.
(2) I assume that Taylor would replace Jones, and we would draft a QB high next year or in 2024. I think we can use the TT or the FT on Jones and trade him, but I'm not sure.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
It is a 1 year deal at the rate of the average of the top 5 qb contracts in the league, and there is no cap maneuvering to be done such and bonus money or movable money to make room for other signings. That's a high number that impacts the Giants ability to do other things with the roster. Essentially you would be paying Daniel jones top 5 ish money even then you know he isn't that level of player or producer just because you don't trust the backup you just signed to a two year deal, or you think you have no other options.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
It is a 1 year deal at the rate of the average of the top 5 qb contracts in the league, and there is no cap maneuvering to be done such and bonus money or movable money to make room for other signings. That's a high number that impacts the Giants ability to do other things with the roster. Essentially you would be paying Daniel jones top 5 ish money even then you know he isn't that level of player or producer just because you don't trust the backup you just signed to a two year deal, or you think you have no other options.
okay I see.. and thank you to the other posters who also responded to my questions.
So, we could offer him a 1 year $15 million deal that he likely would not take.
Our options are Tyrod or anyone else we can find. If that is the approach, then we absolutely would need to solidify the OL and the group of WRs. Otherwise, we are a 4 win team again.
I dont think anyone is paying jones that much money. It's realistic the Giants could re-sign him unless some other team in the NFL wants him.
Jones wants to be a starter and there will be jobs around the NFL open. Some with better talent on offense to give him a chance to show he can play better than what he's done so far. Money is one factor, but if you're Jones, does another year in NY with some rookie WRs make sense when you're trying to save your career as a starter? More years like this may typecast him as a career backup.
LB and CB. That’s assuming guys like X and Jackson are back and healthy next year, obviously.
Simple as that. We probably re-sign Barkley and jones and hopefully sign 3 of those needs in FA. Time to spend money and add professionals to the roster. Then draft talent.
We’re an 05 type offseason away from winning this game by 10 pts.
Did he have to jump? If he runs through the ball, it might have been a TD.
Slayton makes terrible adjustments when the ball is in the air most of the time. It's why we throw a parade whenever he catches a ball over 20 yards.
In his defense, he's the only WR on the team even capable of getting open 20+ yards down the field it seems
The throw wasn't perfect but considering that Jones had a defender about to hit him(possibly did hit him) because Glowinski got beat and Feliciano is useless and didn't help...Jones put it on the best WR on our team 35 yards downfield...who got 2 hands on it. Last week it was Barkley, this week it's Slay. This is the NFL...their job is to catch the ball.
At some point the Giants will have to score 24 pints or more
You don't expect pinpoint accuracy on throws of that distance. And it wasn't the easiest catch in the world, but definitely one you'd expect to be made. But these things happen. Not every pretty good downfield throw is caught.
We just make so few big plays that any chance for one is gold. Tyler Boyd dropped a catch that was a million times easier. But they score a lot and make a lot of big plays so they get past it.
You'll see plays like that in just about every game. It's a bad one for Slayton. He made a good one earlier.
He would have been clipped by the safety. Not a massive hit but a hit. The ball realistically should have been outside the numbers. Jones put it on him. It was def catchable but a good throw? It wasn’t.
He would have been clipped by the safety. Not a massive hit but a hit. The ball realistically should have been outside the numbers. Jones put it on him. It was def catchable but a good throw? It wasn’t.
Did you watch the Cincy/KC game? Did you see the passes that Burrow and Mahomes made to their WRs? Rarely were they perfect, yet most of then were caught on imperfect placement or on contested throws. Yes there were a couple of wide open drops, too.
Even though Washington beat Philly a few games ago
Seems clear Philly/Dallas are the class of the NFC (not to mention the NFC East), followed by the Commanders and the Giants who are both behind them in overall team talent.
Giants now have 5 games remaining and they will all be very difficult, especially with all their injuries and their current level of play. Don't be shocked if they finish 8-8-1. It's a distinct possibility. If the Giants do indeed finish 8-8-1 (after a 7-2 start), I guess there's two ways of looking at Daboll's first season:
(1) The 2022 Giants are a vastly different (and better) team than where they ended up in 2021; or,
(2) After raising expectations to an unreasonably high level by mid-season, injuries (and a talent deficit) finally caught up to the 2022 Giants.
+1
That was my very first thought when I saw the play live. He jumped too soon and was on his way down and falling backwards when the ball hit his hand.
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That was my very first thought when I saw the play live. He jumped too soon and was on his way down and falling backwards when the ball hit his hand.
Here is a replay of that pass - it was still in his hands cleanly and he bobbles it on the way down.
It was a very well thrown pass and misplayed, one way or another by Slayton. Slayton's drop of late bomb - ( New Window )
He would have been clipped by the safety. Not a massive hit but a hit. The ball realistically should have been outside the numbers. Jones put it on him. It was def catchable but a good throw? It wasn’t.
So much written about the Slayton almost-catch as though that was the reason why the Giants failed to come away with a win against Washington.
Nope.
The Giants failed because their second half run game was literally crushed out of existence and their interior offensive line was made to look like a colander perforated with gigantic holes.
My view of the Jones to Slayton mised opportunity: Jones threw away from the coverage, Slayton ran to the coverage. Slayton was not expecting the ball towards the outside, but I think Jones was right to throw away from the defender. Had Slayton expected that, he would have probably put his body in a much better position to make the catch.
I put this on Slayton who has a history of drops.
Slayton should have caught that one. But he has also
turned two potential INTs into 50-plus yard completions in the last two games: jumping over the DB in Dallas and, yesterday, sneakily getting away with grabbing the DB and putting himself in position for the catch.
You don't expect pinpoint accuracy on throws of that distance. And it wasn't the easiest catch in the world, but definitely one you'd expect to be made. But these things happen. Not every pretty good downfield throw is caught.
We just make so few big plays that any chance for one is gold. Tyler Boyd dropped a catch that was a million times easier. But they score a lot and make a lot of big plays so they get past it.
You'll see plays like that in just about every game. It's a bad one for Slayton. He made a good one earlier.
Anyone else tired of seeing our opponents making great catches to keep drives going and every throw DJ makes has to be perfect. DJ completed 80% of his passes yesterday and was the major part of the offense. IMO he did a remarkable job with people in his face all day. It's a shame, this kid plays his heart out every game under dyer circumstances and has to put up with this constant criticism I wont blame him if he leaves, and believe me there will be teams willing to pay.
RE: Slayton should have caught that one. But he has also
turned two potential INTs into 50-plus yard completions in the last two games: jumping over the DB in Dallas and, yesterday, sneakily getting away with grabbing the DB and putting himself in position for the catch.
Slayton giveth and Slayton taketh away.
Every pass is a potential int. So he did his job on those 2 plays.
PURE CHICKENSHIT.
Giants offense.
This one’s for you!
Nope
Offense went colder than a virgin at the North Pole.
Daboll decided to play for a tie.
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
No.
That was 2021 NY Giants.
after seeing the first 10 minutes of the first quarter, everyone would have loved a tie at that moment
Probably wouldn’t have. If they weren’t so short handed I’d cut his ass tomorrow
His time management is largely shit
Slayton dropping an uncontested beachball gets honorable mention.
Nope.
It’s almost never one play over 60 minutes.
This game is on our terrible offense 100% if you are looking for someone / some thing to blame this mess of a game on.
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
Do you see a difference in Jones WRs? Blocking? Running ability?
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
I thought that the offensive line hamstrung them early, then they couldn’t run a lick after they got to 20. Jones didn’t throw a ball to anyone besides Slayton for seemingly 2 quarters and you see how that goes.
I look forward to the Sy review to see if people were open and Jones missed them because that’s somehow less depressing than no one being open.
It's like Daboll and Kafka don't trust his arm, but once in a while they'll draw up a play like they're coaching Allen or Mahomes.
"Big Balls Daboll" morphed into Joe Judge. I'm actually sad writing that
Two, the Slayton drop on the deep ball at the end of the 4th. It took balls to go for it like that and they got what they wanted. He blew it.
The next play was James fucking up the read option on 3td and 2. I didn't like the call, but his screw up didn't help.
This is a game that was there for them to take. They handed a tie to Washington and this could come back to bite them in the ass.
Except the big passes they called to try and win the game but Slayton dropped. Actually watch the game before commenting.
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But the Daboll from Week One seemed to be gone today
Nope.
It’s almost never one play over 60 minutes.
This game is on our terrible offense 100% if you are looking for someone / some thing to blame this mess of a game on.
Yes, but I mean if Feliciano didn't have that taunting penalty, we would've been in pretty dan good field position. We could've probably gotten into FG range.
We absolutely win if not for that. I blame him for a week of stupid comments to come.
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With that dumbass taunting penalty.
Slayton dropping an uncontested beachball gets honorable mention.
How does someone drop a ball that they already caught???!? Mind numbing stupidity.
Thats actually not what happened. The TO was called right away and the clock reset to 1 minute 23 seconds. At least be accurate
That stupid ass play by Feliciano when the real disaster is right in front of our faces — the entire offense.
It's like Daboll and Kafka don't trust his arm, but once in a while they'll draw up a play like they're coaching Allen or Mahomes.
We will never know what the playcall is vs what Jones may or may not change it to. This is a hard point to be critical on.
Counts as half a win and half a loss.
Go to bed.
Yup and Kafka is on my shit list today as well. Four second half drives in a row with terrible first down calls. Run into the line is BS. Not one play action instead or anything else for that matter.
Really starting to wonder if he’s the guy to call the O. Other than that this injury depleted team payed their hearts out . I know we got some guys back but missing two top DB’s was evident today.
Don't be an idiot. They had plenty of chances to move the ball. The offense sucked the entire 2nd half but go ahead and go for the low hanging fruit and blame it on Feliciano
What is a no 3? a slot receiver? he certainly isn't that. he is a decent player to have on a rookie contract. he's not that next season.
+1 I thought the same thing. If you going to call time out call it immediately not 20+ seconds into the play clock.
I agree.
D held its ground all day.
That stupid ass play by Feliciano when the real disaster is right in front of our faces — the entire offense.
The offense was horrendous after they got to 20 points, but the Feliciano penalty was one of the dumbest things in the history of professional football.
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With that dumbass taunting penalty.
I agree.
Everyone thank Flex Feliciano for the tie today or else we get the W.
Feliciano, Gates, and Glowinski were awful.
Moreau was burned a lot of McLaruin in the first half, but we did a better job containing him in the second.
Horrendous tackling all day, except by Love, who was excellent again, along with Lawrence. That fourth and four desperation heave by Heinicke was a killer. It looked like Flott lost Samuel on the play.
Don't blame Gano on that 58 yard FG. It's cold and that's a long kick.
Didn't see enough from Barkley or Jones to justify keeping them frankly. Time is running out for both.
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following play Wash runs it and we have no TO.
+1 I thought the same thing. If you going to call time out call it immediately not 20+ seconds into the play clock.
again, the clock was reset to 1:23 because thats when the timeout was called. So they didn't wait, the clock guy just kept the clock running
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It's pretty much WCO with the RARE, OCCASIONAL deep ball. But it's just...weird.
It's like Daboll and Kafka don't trust his arm, but once in a while they'll draw up a play like they're coaching Allen or Mahomes.
We will never know what the playcall is vs what Jones may or may not change it to. This is a hard point to be critical on.
I'm talking about the playcalling, in general, this season. We've got to be last in big plays, right?
Just one O drive in the second half might have been enough outside of the one where the D created the turnover.
I’ll have more time to catch up on my DVRd shows lol
LOL. I love Gano, but it's true that it seems like all the big kicks happen AGAINST us and never FOR us....well, expect for the Randy Bullock one.
That stupid ass play by Feliciano when the real disaster is right in front of our faces — the entire offense.
Yet without that stupid penalty they most likely go up two scores late. Were you watching the same game? It was a huge setback and a needless stupid one as well.
Didn't see enough from Barkley or Jones to justify keeping them frankly. Time is running out for both.
the Giants will "try" to keep them both, but not with offers they would accept.
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
Because Heinicke has McLaurin, Samuel, and Dotson, and Jones has Slayton (body catcher almost cut), Jones (body catcher picked up as a street free agent) and Hodgins (waived by the Bills). I've always said I don't know what Jones is or can be, but if you don't see the difference in the two situations, well, sorry, but you're blind. Not to mention Heinicke was playing against a defensive backfield without it's two best players.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
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Their luster has definitely worn off
Except the big passes they called to try and win the game but Slayton dropped. Actually watch the game before commenting.
They sat on the lead 20-13 and expected the Defense to be perfect . All the Aggressiveness and creativity from beginning of the season is gone
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Why should Schoen pay up for Jones?
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
Do you see a difference in Jones WRs? Blocking? Running ability?
Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
I thought that they got wildly conservative when the pass protection was atrocious early. But some of the playcalling was inexcusable. The 3rd down play before the Giants FG was a give up play. It’s 3rd & 5 and they didn’t even try to get it. They never use Breida regardless of how shitty Barkley looks.
A yard or two it looked like. I'd say 5 just to be safe.
Ummm Slayton a week or so back on the long run where DJ got hit but connected on the short pass to Slayton and long run for the TD,
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Their luster has definitely worn off
Except the big passes they called to try and win the game but Slayton dropped. Actually watch the game before commenting.
They sat on the lead 20-13 and expected the Defense to be perfect . All the Aggressiveness and creativity from beginning of the season is gone
I disagree. I don’t think they sat on the lead. The offense was just flat out awful for the next 4 or 5 drives. The only time it showed a pulse, Fat Feliciano decided to be an asshole.
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It's pretty much WCO with the RARE, OCCASIONAL deep ball. But it's just...weird.
It's like Daboll and Kafka don't trust his arm, but once in a while they'll draw up a play like they're coaching Allen or Mahomes.
We will never know what the playcall is vs what Jones may or may not change it to. This is a hard point to be critical on.
I'm talking about the playcalling, in general, this season. We've got to be last in big plays, right?
I wish I knew where to look that up. Maybe check Jones's passing plays over 20 and see where that would rank but even that isn't the whole story. I think you're probably right.
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Why should Schoen pay up for Jones?
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
Do you see a difference in Jones WRs? Blocking? Running ability?
Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
It was more like 10 yards short really. - ( New Window )
hit bounced at the top of the N of the Giants logo so at least 5 yards.
He hit a 57 yarder two games ago.
That should never be automatic until they let robot legs on the field.
coached scared in second half.
Or they lost faith in their offense.
One of the two.
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when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
And then going for the long FG would have been a tough call because you'd be giving the ball to Commanders at midfield with time left, if you missed.
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when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
What kind of deal would you be ok with Jones signing?
I can say the same about Barkley and Robinson.
Very disappointing tie.
Do you see much difference the the receiving corps?
Because that was the difference in the game today, that plus the Giants inability to run the ball in the 2nd half.
Week 1, I praised Daboll for playing to win. He did the exact opposite of that today. The offense was conservative all game- dink and dunk, playing not to turn the ball over, and keeping Washington in the game.
At the end of the first half- what the heck was that? The QB run on 3rd and 1 with no timeouts? Why not call a play that gives the team a shot to score a TD?
Also, the timeout they used in OT—horrible clock management. Washington had a 3rd and long, 30 seconds ran off the play clock, and then they decide to use a TO as Washington was lining up on a 3rd and long inside their own 10. By calling that Timeout when they did, the Giants guaranteed the best they could do was get the ball back with less than 30 seconds and no timeouts. Ended up being the difference as they only had time to set up a 58 yard field goal- which was clearly out of Gano’s range.
Lastly…Gano. The guy has been money but guys are making 58 yard field goals with ease in this day and age. The same guy who boots a 63 yard er against them and now he comes up 5 yards short. It wasn’t the elements- he didn’t strike the ball well
The stupid cute play with James running into Barkley in OT…..unacceptable.
Feliciano didn’t really flex at the Commrads he was flexing at Slayton. But completely unnecessary. Unacceptable.
Slayton needs to make that catch plain and simple. Drops are unacceptable!
This team is just good enough to compete but bad enough to get in their own way.
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when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
He got tackled at the one against the Cowboys on a great play, so semantics. He also had the best play on offense. That ball was either incomplete or picked if Slayton doesn’t battle and get to the inside of the two defenders.
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What kind of deal would you be ok with Jones signing?
off the top of my head? 3 yrs $80 mil
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today [/quote]
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Just one O drive in the second half might have been enough outside of the one where the D created the turnover.
They had the drive but Feliciano’s flex negated it.
make a really nice clean catch on it, and then lose the ball when he just is trying to tuck it into his stomach, and IMPORTANTLY the defender did not touch the ball at any stage?
I've heard of eye-and coordination problems but this was more like an eye-stomach coordination thing.
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What kind of deal would you be ok with Jones signing?
off the top of my head? 3 yrs $80 mil
thanks for the response.
Horrendous tackling all day, except by Love, who was excellent again, along with Lawrence. That fourth and four desperation heave by Heinicke was a killer. It looked like Flott lost Samuel on the play.
Don't blame Gano on that 58 yard FG. It's cold and that's a long kick.
Didn't see enough from Barkley or Jones to justify keeping them frankly. Time is running out for both.
Agree with all of this.
Love was outstanding. Guy deserves serious Pro Bowl consideration.
Heinicke is beyond irritating to play. He pulls some stuff out of his ass.
That was indeed a difficult kick for Gano. I was thinking it was a 25% of < for him to make it...
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
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What kind of deal would you be ok with Jones signing?
off the top of my head? 3 yrs $80 mil
Jones was able to do much more under pressure, with his legs and in the air.
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when is the last time one of our WRs made a play like that? It happens in every other game.
Slayton two weeks ago. Slayton on thanksgiving.
Slayton didn't score in either of those games. You are mistaking making good catching with making great plays. Maybe Slayton 3 weeks ago against the Texans when he ran after the catch.
Since then he's made plenty of shit drops too.
I like Slayton, but it doesn't mean I think that he is good enough to be depended on at any level.
He got tackled at the one against the Cowboys on a great play, so semantics. He also had the best play on offense. That ball was either incomplete or picked if Slayton doesn’t battle and get to the inside of the two defenders.
Look, I like Slayton. I think he does make some really good plays. But it's not like I'm watching DeSean Jackson out there. He is good. But he also has the highest drop percentage in the NFL since he's been here.
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second? [/quote]
Not what that has to do with my comment.
Let's relax.
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second? [/quote]
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did
Just a different way to state,“You don’t see things the way I do, so you must be lying to yourself” What a condescending post
Just another immature post by a fan who s disappointed
They don’t have the horses to throw the ball 50 times. I wouldn’t be surprised if they burn 3 picks in the draft on WRs. The staff is doing what they can with the roster they have.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
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Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Does the fumble not count? Or just the Slayton drop?
- The DJ fumble
- The 3 stooges 3rd and short play
- The Was 3rd and forever conversion.
We probably win if any of those go our way. But the reason the result hinged so largely on those plays is the ineptitude of this offense.
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Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Does the fumble not count? Or just the Slayton drop?
Fumble counts. It's a shit play. If he was fumbling all year like that I would probably feel the way you do about Jones. Because Slayton actually drops the ball at that rate...
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Are the same exact high ceiling low floor players from play to play.
I see WAY more consistency out of Jones. The offense is so poor around him that plenty of his plays are called back by penalties(illegal man downfield, opi, holding), negated by drops, poor blocking, and cute playcalling. This team can't get out of its own way. Is Jones a HoFamer? No, but he was the only guy out there most of the time.
Odell and a first or second rounder, plus an a high OL pick, and I'll be happy.
The problem is that's not working anymore. But coaches are stubborn. The Giants have a winning record and for that reason alone likely won't change what they're doing, even though they should.
- The DJ fumble
- The 3 stooges 3rd and short play
- The Was 3rd and forever conversion.
We probably win if any of those go our way. But the reason the result hinged so largely on those plays is the ineptitude of this offense.
Dude, quite a few more than that. Slayton's drop for one.
This offense scores at a C+ rate. No one fears it. Success hinges on whether or not Barkley wakes up feeling good in the morning or not. There is no reason not to consider significant roster changes.
Defense going to strange 3 man rush when Ximenes was sent jogging to center from Thibs side.
Need to draft QB, WR, CB, OG and MLB. Were are 2 years from competing, re-building is killing me.
Your point is a fair one.
And also, people will get sick of 'just happy to be here' very quickly.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
You know, that was the funny thing. That's exactly what I said to my wife, so why was there a penalty? My wife said he may have also said something that of course we couldn't hear.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
That is not possible. Some people are not happy unless they are miserable.
Draft capital to the LOS, both sides of the ball.
I agree with this statement but with two caveats:
(1) There was nothing enjoyable today about watching the Giants offense, especially in the second half;
(2) I would enjoy this team a lot more if I was still rooting for the same team through Week 7 against Jax. But this is not the same team with all the crazy injuries.
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is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
There is no way we offer a decent FA contract to a guy who drops more balls than any other wr in the nfl
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is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
Agree, amazing that we went into season with this group on paper:
- KG
- Toney
- Robinson
And today its:
- Slayton
- Hodgkins
- James
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is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
As the season has progressed, I think the chances of a full tear down with Jones and Barkley not returning has gone up significantly. My point being that the assets they have will be used to get a QB in the draft.
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is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
As the season has progressed, I think the chances of a full tear down with Jones and Barkley not returning has gone up significantly. My point being that the assets they have will be used to get a QB in the draft.
Jones carried the O today and Barkley is obviously hurt. Got anything else?
There is no way we offer a decent FA contract to a guy who drops more balls than any other wr in the nfl
I never said anything about Slayton's compensation. If he is as bad as everyone says, then the other teams will think the same and we can get him cheap.
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Actually, Shepard was starting over Robinson
is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
Agree, amazing that we went into season with this group on paper:
- KG
- Toney
- Robinson
And today its:
- Slayton
- Hodgkins
- James
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
Wow. Great analysis, if true, Didn’t consider this was what happened but it makes total sense.
There a lot of tough decisions coming for next year, quarterback,running back, but if they don’t fix the offensive line and get somebody to throw to it won’t matter, plus another starting corner.
Nobody saw this team playing meaningful games in December, they overachieved early and now have come back to earth, plus have had too many players out with injuries.
One more offseason with money to spend and one more good draft, then hopefully a year with less injuries.
I for one am happy to have a team playing for something this time of year.
Happy Holidays!
I guess I’m just a glass half full guy. I think we have the GM, the coaches and a base to build on.
Jones carried the O today and Barkley is obviously hurt. Got anything else?
Huh? I wasn’t being critical of Jones. I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
As this season has progressed, this looks very similar to Sean McDonough’s first year in BUF.
Three stick out to me
Feliciano s penalty, which was a bad call
The 4 th and r conversion with Henicke on the run that would have ended the game
Slayton s drop
But all those became relevant because with 4 possessions up 7, two in good field position, the coaching staff did not trust the offense
I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.
They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.
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I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
Wow. Great analysis, if true, Didn’t consider this was what happened but it makes total sense.
It was a penalty, you can't run 20 yards across the field,
and flex in front of three players, just stupid by a veteran player too! As Parcells likes to say, 'stupid players make stupid mistakes'.
It's true, he's right...
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I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.
They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.
They are still rebuilding, needs more players, still too many holes on this team. They are not a playoff team,
but actually could get there? This game ending was deflating a bit, but overall I was hoping for 7 wins, can't complain too much if they don't make playoffs.
Once it went to OT, I agree with you. The Giants last drive in regulation was abysmal. TWO long bombs, and another incompletion. This with 3 timeouts, and 1:45 on the clock?
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I know Feleciano’s penalty cost us the win but I didn’t see it as a penalty.
He was flexing at Slayton not the Washington players.
No reason for a pivotal call to be made.
Refs should stay out of the way of the game not decide it.
Wow. Great analysis, if true, Didn’t consider this was what happened but it makes total sense.
Stupid for him to even being running down field doing that in that situation. But, you can see in the replays that he is looking at Slayton and runs right past the three Washington defenders. Even they didn't flinch as they would have if they thought he was directing it at them. I'm sorry, but this is where the refs are overly calling the game.
Love, the only starter, looked like Ronnie Lott out there. And Fabian Moreau, who was on a practice squad to begin the season, was assigned primary coverage on McLaurin. The rest of the players could barely keep up.
The fact that Wink was able to coax the unit into only allowing 20 points is incredible. Hats off to the guy.
Even with several gaping talent gaps (does Jaylon Smith still have enough speed to play in the league?), this unit is an emerging force.
Our ILB make tackles 5 yards off the LOS
For the most part today our tackling was very poor
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But the Daboll from Week One seemed to be gone today
Nope.
It’s almost never one play over 60 minutes.
This game is on our terrible offense 100% if you are looking for someone / some thing to blame this mess of a game on.
This. The penalty was also questionable. Our offense acts under the belief that it is illegal to score more than 21 points in a game. The third and 3 play exemplified it. Wonder who is at fault on that. Now I know why Kafka calla vanilla games: the players are simpletons.
Agreed. Didn't cost them the game, but it was an incredibly stupid penalty.
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Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did [/quote]
When his team needed a TD drive, Heinicke drove them down the field. After halftime, Jones got his team 7 points when he started at the plus 20. After that he didn’t do shit.
I am not a QB vs. QB guy, but if you had to ask which played better today it was clearly Heinicke.
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is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
I think they can get two quality WRs this offseason and that will be a huge help.
We keep running out Feliciano at center and Glow at right guard and our interior o line stinks and we wonder why.
Can we please put Gates at center!!!!
Can we try Phillips or Neal at right guard. I mean what we have is not working.
Who are we going to beat with this line? So disappointing. 10 years and still our line stinks.
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Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did
When his team needed a TD drive, Heinicke drove them down the field. After halftime, Jones got his team 7 points when he started at the plus 20. After that he didn’t do shit.
I am not a QB vs. QB guy, but if you had to ask which played better today it was clearly Heinicke. [/quote]
Ok, but I really think the play calling sucked - absolutely sucked in the 2nd half. Poor situational play calling. They kept trying to run Barkley and he kept getting stopped. No change of play calling. How many rollouts did they call in the 2nd half. I do not remember any and it was killing the WTFs in the 1st half.
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is too inconsistent to retain IMO.
our WR depth is so shallow, we will have almost no choice but to retain him. You cannot get 4 quality WRs this off season. He will still be better than some of the other trash on this team.
That said, if we go into next season with Slayton as one of our top 3 WRs, then we will have another sub-par offensive season.
I think they can get two quality WRs this offseason and that will be a huge help.
What types though? Slot receivers? Tall contested-catch guys? Speedsters?
I agree but the talent vacuum at MLB is deep like the ocean.
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Nope. Jones is a much better QB than Heineke. Jones needs competent offensive line play and QUALITY RECIEVERS!!! Slayton is a no. 3, at most
Jones is a better talent than Heinecke, but Heinecke was under just as much if not more pressure today
How long would it take you to trade our receivers/TEs for Washingtons receivers/TEs. 1/100th of a second?
Jones did more under pressure, with his legs and through the air, than Heineke did
When his team needed a TD drive, Heinicke drove them down the field. After halftime, Jones got his team 7 points when he started at the plus 20. After that he didn’t do shit.
I am not a QB vs. QB guy, but if you had to ask which played better today it was clearly Heinicke. [/quote]
Mike, I usually agree with you. However, Heinecke has a much better cadre of receivers than Jones.
The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.
Mis timed his jump too
He runs 10 yards down the field to flex his muscles at a couple of players? What kind of stupid shit is that? He should have been penalized for stupidity.
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came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.
LOL. We literally were in FG range until the refs called taunting.
Is your hatred of Jones so strong that you don't even know what the fuck happened??
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came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game
The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.
LOL. We literally were in FG range until the refs called taunting.
Is your hatred of Jones so strong that you don't even know what the fuck happened??
In FG range and it would have been a first down I believe.
Hey fatty, I’ve said Jones wasn’t bad today, but keep creating narratives. Not sure what saying Feliciano is the only one responsible for the penalty has to do with Daniel Jones.
You’re as stupid as you are miserable and fat.
Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.
Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot
Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.
Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot
Again just more made up narratives from you. You know you can see peoples posts right? There’s literally not a day on this site you’re not an angry prick attacking people. You’re a middle aged man getting angry on a message board at people and name calling every time you step on here.
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I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.
I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.
They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.
If the fans are okay with 4 years of gettleman they'll be okay with someone who can actually fix it.
Especially when you had a touchdown lead with less than two minutes to play, and then win the OT coin toss, and still not win.
There a lot of tough decisions coming for next year, quarterback,running back, but if they don’t fix the offensive line and get somebody to throw to it won’t matter, plus another starting corner.
Nobody saw this team playing meaningful games in December, they overachieved early and now have come back to earth, plus have had too many players out with injuries.
One more offseason with money to spend and one more good draft, then hopefully a year with less injuries.
I for one am happy to have a team playing for something this time of year.
Happy Holidays!
I guess I’m just a glass half full guy. I think we have the GM, the coaches and a base to build on.
Yes! Thank You
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now who is doing the personal "attacks"??
Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.
Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot
Again just more made up narratives from you. You know you can see peoples posts right? There’s literally not a day on this site you’re not an angry prick attacking people. You’re a middle aged man getting angry on a message board at people and name calling every time you step on here.
Not a day??
I post on this site once a week ypou idiot - and guess what? Your ignorant ass is all over the place talking about Jones.
You are a middle aged man posting about a QB several hundred times a week - so why the fuck are you even bothered by what I do - you have enough time suck put into Jones that you shouldn't even care what my opinion is
Keep making stuff up. For someone who claims to not be on here much you sure seem to know a lot about what I supposedly do.
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pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.
Mis timed his jump too
The question is why did he have to jump at all? Why did he stop running and turn around? It’s entirely possible that the ball hits Slayton in stride if he keeps running.
Are you prepared to commit the $31M franchise tag to Jones?
I'll probably regret this, but can I just ask you two a favor:
We're all Giants fans here and it would be real nice if we could all avoid going back and forth with one another in an unkindly fashion.
Could you guys just change the subject and post something different?
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The big picture problems for the Giants are they can’t pass block (primarily Figueroa and Glowinski), they can’t stop the run, they can’t defend the pass when the game is on the line and the pass rush is still very inconsistent in spite of all the talk about it. This translates to a non-playoff team or, at best, one that gets knocked out in the first round.
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You literally post hundreds of times a week about Jones - are you going to deny that??
How does a singular topic cause you to lose hours of your life a week? And you don't see any issue with that?
Hmmm, that is absolutely false . It's fine, this board will never be honest about any player that they have already decided is not the guy.. Slayton flat out sucks. His inconsistent hands make Stacey Robinson and Byron Williams look like Drew Pearson and Tony Hill...
I am tired of the Let Me Prove my opinion by grasping at fucking straws vs just do an honest assessment.
Slaytons drop, Feliciano's stupid penalty and some very questionable play calls doomed this team today...
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But it’s multiple threads of him getting nasty first over simple differing opinion.
You literally post hundreds of times a week about Jones - are you going to deny that??
How does a singular topic cause you to lose hours of your life a week? And you don't see any issue with that?
Again simply not true. You can see the threads I posted on this week.
Again for someone who doesn’t waste hours on here you seem to know a lot about what I do. I don’t consider discussing football with people I enjoy discussing football with losing hours of my life, but you know very little about me. It’s actually a break from getting paid to watch basketball during the week.
All you have are personal attacks. It’s kinda sad.
Even with several gaping talent gaps (does Jaylon Smith still have enough speed to play in the league?), this unit is an emerging force.
Agreed and this was a knocking of the cobwebs game since he hasn't really played this season.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him, at least as of now. Many teams will be looking for a QB, and at least one will likely conclude that his problems are mostly caused by his OL and WRs.
The big picture problems for the Giants are they can’t pass block (primarily Figueroa and Glowinski), they can’t stop the run, they can’t defend the pass when the game is on the line and the pass rush is still very inconsistent in spite of all the talk about it. This translates to a non-playoff team or, at best, one that gets knocked out in the first round.
Agree with everything, though the Giants defense bailed out the offense all day today.
But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?
I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?
I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.
I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?
I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.
(1) The FT is a one year commitment, but it will be about $31.5M for a QB in 2023 IIRC.
(2) I assume that Taylor would replace Jones, and we would draft a QB high next year or in 2024. I think we can use the TT or the FT on Jones and trade him, but I'm not sure.
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
It is a 1 year deal at the rate of the average of the top 5 qb contracts in the league, and there is no cap maneuvering to be done such and bonus money or movable money to make room for other signings. That's a high number that impacts the Giants ability to do other things with the roster. Essentially you would be paying Daniel jones top 5 ish money even then you know he isn't that level of player or producer just because you don't trust the backup you just signed to a two year deal, or you think you have no other options.
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him
okay, a couple of questions..
1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?
It is a 1 year deal at the rate of the average of the top 5 qb contracts in the league, and there is no cap maneuvering to be done such and bonus money or movable money to make room for other signings. That's a high number that impacts the Giants ability to do other things with the roster. Essentially you would be paying Daniel jones top 5 ish money even then you know he isn't that level of player or producer just because you don't trust the backup you just signed to a two year deal, or you think you have no other options.
okay I see.. and thank you to the other posters who also responded to my questions.
So, we could offer him a 1 year $15 million deal that he likely would not take.
Our options are Tyrod or anyone else we can find. If that is the approach, then we absolutely would need to solidify the OL and the group of WRs. Otherwise, we are a 4 win team again.
Jones wants to be a starter and there will be jobs around the NFL open. Some with better talent on offense to give him a chance to show he can play better than what he's done so far. Money is one factor, but if you're Jones, does another year in NY with some rookie WRs make sense when you're trying to save your career as a starter? More years like this may typecast him as a career backup.
I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.
Taylor played a dozen snaps this season and threw an interception, fumbled, and got hurt.
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I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.
Taylor played a dozen snaps this season and threw an interception, fumbled, and got hurt.
INTs, fumbles and injuries are what's defined Daniel Jones too to this point.
Yes he has stopped the turnovers. But it stopped the production too. If you have to have one to have the other you aren’t a long term starter.
Slayton mis-played it as well.
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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.
Slayton mis-played it as well.
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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.
Simple as that. We probably re-sign Barkley and jones and hopefully sign 3 of those needs in FA. Time to spend money and add professionals to the roster. Then draft talent.
We’re an 05 type offseason away from winning this game by 10 pts.
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Looks like both players were at fault.
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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.
Slayton mis-played it as well.
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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.
Did he have to jump? If he runs through the ball, it might have been a TD.
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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.
Slayton mis-played it as well.
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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.
Did he have to jump? If he runs through the ball, it might have been a TD.
Slayton makes terrible adjustments when the ball is in the air most of the time. It's why we throw a parade whenever he catches a ball over 20 yards.
In his defense, he's the only WR on the team even capable of getting open 20+ yards down the field it seems
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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.
Slayton mis-played it as well.
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The throw wasn't perfect but considering that Jones had a defender about to hit him(possibly did hit him) because Glowinski got beat and Feliciano is useless and didn't help...Jones put it on the best WR on our team 35 yards downfield...who got 2 hands on it. Last week it was Barkley, this week it's Slay. This is the NFL...their job is to catch the ball.
Someone said above - if he ran thru the route it would have been a TD - almost like DJ was leading him.
But he knocked the ball out of his own hands when he brought the ball down to secure it in his stomach.
There’s such a thing as eye-hand coordination issues.
But, ohhhhhhh no… this was an eye-stomach issue.
And not in a good way.
Titans missed a game winner FG in Week 1, Gano missed one today.
And so it goes.
And not in a good way.
Titans missed a game winner FG in Week 1, Gano missed one today.
And so it goes.
Those two are equivalent? lol......
We just make so few big plays that any chance for one is gold. Tyler Boyd dropped a catch that was a million times easier. But they score a lot and make a lot of big plays so they get past it.
You'll see plays like that in just about every game. It's a bad one for Slayton. He made a good one earlier.
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Said pass was perfectly thrown and Slayton jumped too early. Remarkable play considering defender was right in Jones’s face.
Someone said above - if he ran thru the route it would have been a TD - almost like DJ was leading him.
Exactly. The ball skills that he exhibited on that play were awful.
Did you watch the Cincy/KC game? Did you see the passes that Burrow and Mahomes made to their WRs? Rarely were they perfect, yet most of then were caught on imperfect placement or on contested throws. Yes there were a couple of wide open drops, too.
Seems clear Philly/Dallas are the class of the NFC (not to mention the NFC East), followed by the Commanders and the Giants who are both behind them in overall team talent.
Giants now have 5 games remaining and they will all be very difficult, especially with all their injuries and their current level of play. Don't be shocked if they finish 8-8-1. It's a distinct possibility. If the Giants do indeed finish 8-8-1 (after a 7-2 start), I guess there's two ways of looking at Daboll's first season:
(1) The 2022 Giants are a vastly different (and better) team than where they ended up in 2021; or,
(2) After raising expectations to an unreasonably high level by mid-season, injuries (and a talent deficit) finally caught up to the 2022 Giants.
My overwhelming perspective / preference is #1.
Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.
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That was my very first thought when I saw the play live. He jumped too soon and was on his way down and falling backwards when the ball hit his hand.
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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.
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That was my very first thought when I saw the play live. He jumped too soon and was on his way down and falling backwards when the ball hit his hand.
Here is a replay of that pass - it was still in his hands cleanly and he bobbles it on the way down.
It was a very well thrown pass and misplayed, one way or another by Slayton.
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Clipped by what safety? Do you have all22 access?
So much written about the Slayton almost-catch as though that was the reason why the Giants failed to come away with a win against Washington.
Nope.
The Giants failed because their second half run game was literally crushed out of existence and their interior offensive line was made to look like a colander perforated with gigantic holes.
I put this on Slayton who has a history of drops.
Slayton giveth and Slayton taketh away.
There is a reason their WR seemed to be open with space so often
I would not pay Jones franchise type money (30m) but he is so hamstrung from throwing to poor talent. Add to that the absolute awful C and RG play.
Slayton catches that pass the game is over. That was season wrecking drop
We just make so few big plays that any chance for one is gold. Tyler Boyd dropped a catch that was a million times easier. But they score a lot and make a lot of big plays so they get past it.
You'll see plays like that in just about every game. It's a bad one for Slayton. He made a good one earlier.
Anyone else tired of seeing our opponents making great catches to keep drives going and every throw DJ makes has to be perfect. DJ completed 80% of his passes yesterday and was the major part of the offense. IMO he did a remarkable job with people in his face all day. It's a shame, this kid plays his heart out every game under dyer circumstances and has to put up with this constant criticism I wont blame him if he leaves, and believe me there will be teams willing to pay.
Slayton giveth and Slayton taketh away.
Every pass is a potential int. So he did his job on those 2 plays.