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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:16 pm
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RE: RE: RE: The game..  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15932667 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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came down to a taunting penalty hat should never have been called. Aly other discussion really just ignores the fact that the NFL allowed a game to be decided by a guy flexing who didn't even do it to show up the opponent, Any other discussion is only to push a narrative that doesn't exist for this game



The game came down to the offense continually going three and out. The idea he did it to Slayton is just conjecture. The loss isn’t on the refs or the NFL.



LOL. We literally were in FG range until the refs called taunting.

Is your hatred of Jones so strong that you don't even know what the fuck happened??


In FG range and it would have been a first down I believe.
Yep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2022 6:29 pm : link
but saying such would take away from the narrative that Jones sucks.
RE: And..  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15932674 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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by the way - we didn't lose - even if you'd prefer it that way to shot on Jones for the remainder of the week


Hey fatty, I’ve said Jones wasn’t bad today, but keep creating narratives. Not sure what saying Feliciano is the only one responsible for the penalty has to do with Daniel Jones.

You’re as stupid as you are miserable and fat.
LOL.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2022 6:32 pm : link
now who is doing the personal "attacks"??

Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.

Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot
RE: LOL.  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15932706 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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now who is doing the personal "attacks"??

Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.

Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot


Again just more made up narratives from you. You know you can see peoples posts right? There’s literally not a day on this site you’re not an angry prick attacking people. You’re a middle aged man getting angry on a message board at people and name calling every time you step on here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15932457 DefenseWins said:
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I was just responding to the idea of the Giants bringing in a bunch of new receivers. I don’t foresee that because I think they’re tearing it down this offseason.





I dont see Schoen tearing the team down. No way the fans are going to accept going backwards after finally having some success.

They will continue to build and will have to make some tough decisions, but they are NOT going to sacrifice next season. Not happening.


If the fans are okay with 4 years of gettleman they'll be okay with someone who can actually fix it.
RE: Its amazing how much closer a tie feels to a loss than a win  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/4/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15932479 thefan said:
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Especially when you had a touchdown lead with less than two minutes to play, and then win the OT coin toss, and still not win.
RE: Considering  
noro9 : 12/4/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15932431 Marcon said:
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Our interior offensive line was knocked 3 yards into the backfield on 80% of the snaps, our best receiver is most teams #3 or #4 receiver and that one of our starting corners was on the practice squad last week, I thought they held up well. They just don’t have enough quality personnel yet.
There a lot of tough decisions coming for next year, quarterback,running back, but if they don’t fix the offensive line and get somebody to throw to it won’t matter, plus another starting corner.
Nobody saw this team playing meaningful games in December, they overachieved early and now have come back to earth, plus have had too many players out with injuries.
One more offseason with money to spend and one more good draft, then hopefully a year with less injuries.
I for one am happy to have a team playing for something this time of year.
Happy Holidays!
I guess I’m just a glass half full guy. I think we have the GM, the coaches and a base to build on.


Yes! Thank You

RE: RE: LOL.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2022 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15932716 ajr2456 said:
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now who is doing the personal "attacks"??

Hers' what I know - You'll spend this week just like the last several weeks - posting hundreds of times about Jones.

Why?? Only you can tell us - you obsessive idiot



Again just more made up narratives from you. You know you can see peoples posts right? There’s literally not a day on this site you’re not an angry prick attacking people. You’re a middle aged man getting angry on a message board at people and name calling every time you step on here.


Not a day??

I post on this site once a week ypou idiot - and guess what? Your ignorant ass is all over the place talking about Jones.

You are a middle aged man posting about a QB several hundred times a week - so why the fuck are you even bothered by what I do - you have enough time suck put into Jones that you shouldn't even care what my opinion is

Not even close to middle aged  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 6:41 pm : link
Every day you’re on here you’re just a miserable prick, even if that’s once a week.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2022 6:42 pm : link
post a few more hundred times about Jones this week - you ignorant fuck
RE: LOL..  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15932744 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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post a few more hundred times about Jones this week - you ignorant fuck


Keep making stuff up. For someone who claims to not be on here much you sure seem to know a lot about what I supposedly do.
RE: RE: Anyone who thinks that  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/4/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15932658 OBJ_AllDay said:
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pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.



Mis timed his jump too


The question is why did he have to jump at all? Why did he stop running and turn around? It’s entirely possible that the ball hits Slayton in stride if he keeps running.
FMiC  
Sean : 12/4/2022 6:52 pm : link
So, what would you do about Jones? You are quick to comment on what others say about him, but why not give an opinion.

Are you prepared to commit the $31M franchise tag to Jones?
 
ryanmkeane : 12/4/2022 6:54 pm : link
Rams take the lead…
ajr2456 & FMiC  
M.S. : 12/4/2022 6:57 pm : link

I'll probably regret this, but can I just ask you two a favor:

We're all Giants fans here and it would be real nice if we could all avoid going back and forth with one another in an unkindly fashion.

Could you guys just change the subject and post something different?

Danke Schoen.
NY Giants-Washington Post Game  
johnboyw : 12/4/2022 6:58 pm : link
The Feliciano penalty killed the Giant’s chance to put this game away but it was a really poor call by the refs who have basically taken over the game. This was one they should have let go. That said, anyone happen to know what JFs PFF grade is? Can’t be very good.

The big picture problems for the Giants are they can’t pass block (primarily Figueroa and Glowinski), they can’t stop the run, they can’t defend the pass when the game is on the line and the pass rush is still very inconsistent in spite of all the talk about it. This translates to a non-playoff team or, at best, one that gets knocked out in the first round.
I’d love to  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 6:59 pm : link
But it’s multiple threads of him getting nasty first over simple differing opinion.
RE: LOL..  
chick310 : 12/4/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15932744 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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post a few more hundred times about Jones this week - you ignorant fuck


Troll
RE: I’d love to  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2022 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15932792 ajr2456 said:
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But it’s multiple threads of him getting nasty first over simple differing opinion.


You literally post hundreds of times a week about Jones - are you going to deny that??

How does a singular topic cause you to lose hours of your life a week? And you don't see any issue with that?
RE: Anyone who thinks that  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15932650 Dave on the UWS said:
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pass at mid field to Slayton was a drop needs to re watch. Jones’s throw could have been better (typical), but Slayton went up as high as he could and couldn’t maintain body control coming down. It was a high level play he didn’t make. Not on the level of his usual drops.


Hmmm, that is absolutely false . It's fine, this board will never be honest about any player that they have already decided is not the guy.. Slayton flat out sucks. His inconsistent hands make Stacey Robinson and Byron Williams look like Drew Pearson and Tony Hill...

I am tired of the Let Me Prove my opinion by grasping at fucking straws vs just do an honest assessment.

Slaytons drop, Feliciano's stupid penalty and some very questionable play calls doomed this team today...
RE: RE: I’d love to  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15932827 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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But it’s multiple threads of him getting nasty first over simple differing opinion.



You literally post hundreds of times a week about Jones - are you going to deny that??

How does a singular topic cause you to lose hours of your life a week? And you don't see any issue with that?


Again simply not true. You can see the threads I posted on this week.

Again for someone who doesn’t waste hours on here you seem to know a lot about what I do. I don’t consider discussing football with people I enjoy discussing football with losing hours of my life, but you know very little about me. It’s actually a break from getting paid to watch basketball during the week.

All you have are personal attacks. It’s kinda sad.
3rd and 3  
Ike#88 : 12/4/2022 7:24 pm : link
and James runs into Barkley. He did not know the play. It was a stupid call by the OC. Why run something complex like that? As for Jones. My biggest concern is his inability to make throws when on the move and not looking at the primary receiver. He is limited in his ability to survey the field. We are a very low scoring team and he is the QB. Tired of it. The 4th down long completion on the Wash. TD drive is classic last 5 years Giants. Should not have happened but it is reality for us fans.
RE: One big positive  
thefan : 12/4/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15932522 cosmicj said:
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Ojulari. I was expecting the guy to do nothing and play a small number of plays. Instead, he had a really strong game. He will help turn that front 7 into a force.

Even with several gaping talent gaps (does Jaylon Smith still have enough speed to play in the league?), this unit is an emerging force.


Agreed and this was a knocking of the cobwebs game since he hasn't really played this season.
Jones  
AcidTest : 12/4/2022 7:25 pm : link
was overall good today, although his fumble on the first possession was costly. As always, he's dealing with a bad interior OL, weak WRs, and an OC who insists on overusing Barkley, even against eight man boxes. Kafka frequently puts Jones in second and long situations, which just magnify the problems with the OL and WRs.

But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him, at least as of now. Many teams will be looking for a QB, and at least one will likely conclude that his problems are mostly caused by his OL and WRs.
RE: NY Giants-Washington Post Game  
thefan : 12/4/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15932789 johnboyw said:
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The Feliciano penalty killed the Giant’s chance to put this game away but it was a really poor call by the refs who have basically taken over the game. This was one they should have let go. That said, anyone happen to know what JFs PFF grade is? Can’t be very good.

The big picture problems for the Giants are they can’t pass block (primarily Figueroa and Glowinski), they can’t stop the run, they can’t defend the pass when the game is on the line and the pass rush is still very inconsistent in spite of all the talk about it. This translates to a non-playoff team or, at best, one that gets knocked out in the first round.


Agree with everything, though the Giants defense bailed out the offense all day today.
They blew this one  
St. Jimmy : 12/4/2022 7:29 pm : link
on a taunting penalty. So stupid. Feliciano should run the entire next practice. Ridiculously stupid.
RE: Jones  
DefenseWins : 12/4/2022 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15932859 AcidTest said:
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him


okay, a couple of questions..

1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?

2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?

I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.
RE: RE: Jones  
thefan : 12/4/2022 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15932907 DefenseWins said:
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him



okay, a couple of questions..

1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?

2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?

I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.


I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.
RE: RE: Jones  
AcidTest : 12/4/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15932907 DefenseWins said:
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him



okay, a couple of questions..

1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?

2. I agree there are going to be many teams who are looking for a QB. So, where does that leave us? Who does that leave us with? What free agent is out there who is a solid future franchise QB? If there are other teams who would pay Jones more, then why cant we tag him and trade him?

I am not familiar with cap rules so forgive me.


(1) The FT is a one year commitment, but it will be about $31.5M for a QB in 2023 IIRC.

(2) I assume that Taylor would replace Jones, and we would draft a QB high next year or in 2024. I think we can use the TT or the FT on Jones and trade him, but I'm not sure.
RE: RE: Jones  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15932907 DefenseWins said:
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him



okay, a couple of questions..

1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?



It is a 1 year deal at the rate of the average of the top 5 qb contracts in the league, and there is no cap maneuvering to be done such and bonus money or movable money to make room for other signings. That's a high number that impacts the Giants ability to do other things with the roster. Essentially you would be paying Daniel jones top 5 ish money even then you know he isn't that level of player or producer just because you don't trust the backup you just signed to a two year deal, or you think you have no other options.

RE: RE: RE: Jones  
DefenseWins : 12/4/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15932936 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But that doesn't mean that I would be willing to resign Jones. I still want to see what happens the rest of the season, but right now I don't think I would use the FT on him. I also think some team is likely to offer him a much better deal than what I would be willing to give him



okay, a couple of questions..

1. Regarding the franchise tag, does that mean we are committing to him for just one year? If we have no other real option at QB, why would this be a bad thing?





It is a 1 year deal at the rate of the average of the top 5 qb contracts in the league, and there is no cap maneuvering to be done such and bonus money or movable money to make room for other signings. That's a high number that impacts the Giants ability to do other things with the roster. Essentially you would be paying Daniel jones top 5 ish money even then you know he isn't that level of player or producer just because you don't trust the backup you just signed to a two year deal, or you think you have no other options.


okay I see.. and thank you to the other posters who also responded to my questions.

So, we could offer him a 1 year $15 million deal that he likely would not take.

Our options are Tyrod or anyone else we can find. If that is the approach, then we absolutely would need to solidify the OL and the group of WRs. Otherwise, we are a 4 win team again.
It really depends on the league and jones  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 8:07 pm : link
I dont think anyone is paying jones that much money. It's realistic the Giants could re-sign him unless some other team in the NFL wants him.


Jones wants to be a starter and there will be jobs around the NFL open. Some with better talent on offense to give him a chance to show he can play better than what he's done so far. Money is one factor, but if you're Jones, does another year in NY with some rookie WRs make sense when you're trying to save your career as a starter? More years like this may typecast him as a career backup.



RE: RE: RE: Jones  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/4/2022 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15932930 thefan said:
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I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.


Taylor played a dozen snaps this season and threw an interception, fumbled, and got hurt.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15933004 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I'm not sure the dropoff from Jones to Tyrod Taylor is that big.



Taylor played a dozen snaps this season and threw an interception, fumbled, and got hurt.



INTs, fumbles and injuries are what's defined Daniel Jones too to this point.
 
ryanmkeane : 12/4/2022 8:21 pm : link
Jones really doesn’t turn the ball over at all anymore. Anyone saying that’s still a thing is stuck in 2020.
 
ryanmkeane : 12/4/2022 8:23 pm : link
Turnovers are the least of the concerns with Jones. Which is ironic considering that used to be a big problem.
RE: …  
Mike from Ohio : 12/4/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15933024 ryanmkeane said:
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Turnovers are the least of the concerns with Jones. Which is ironic considering that used to be a big problem.


Yes he has stopped the turnovers. But it stopped the production too. If you have to have one to have the other you aren’t a long term starter.
Tweet from Sy on the drop  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 9:06 pm : link
Looks like both players were at fault.

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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.

Slayton mis-played it as well.

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RE: Tweet from Sy on the drop  
OBJ_AllDay : 12/4/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15933142 ajr2456 said:
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Looks like both players were at fault.



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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.

Slayton mis-played it as well.

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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.
 
ryanmkeane : 12/4/2022 9:11 pm : link
Not concerned about being able to beat Washington at their place. But this tie stings. We had enough to win.
We need a legit starting player at WR, OL  
djm : 12/4/2022 9:13 pm : link
LB and CB. That’s assuming guys like X and Jackson are back and healthy next year, obviously.

Simple as that. We probably re-sign Barkley and jones and hopefully sign 3 of those needs in FA. Time to spend money and add professionals to the roster. Then draft talent.

We’re an 05 type offseason away from winning this game by 10 pts.
RE: RE: Tweet from Sy on the drop  
PetesHereNow : 12/4/2022 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15933153 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Looks like both players were at fault.



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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.

Slayton mis-played it as well.

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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.


Did he have to jump? If he runs through the ball, it might have been a TD.
RE: RE: RE: Tweet from Sy on the drop  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/4/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15933162 PetesHereNow said:
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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.

Slayton mis-played it as well.

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Slayton clearly mistimed his jump.



Did he have to jump? If he runs through the ball, it might have been a TD.


Slayton makes terrible adjustments when the ball is in the air most of the time. It's why we throw a parade whenever he catches a ball over 20 yards.
In his defense, he's the only WR on the team even capable of getting open 20+ yards down the field it seems
Glad Sy opined on that throw  
Mike from Ohio : 12/4/2022 9:32 pm : link
Maybe now we can stop calling it a drop by Slayton. It was a poor throw but was still catchable. Neither player made a good play.
RE: Tweet from Sy on the drop  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/4/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15933142 ajr2456 said:
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Looks like both players were at fault.



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Definitely a poorly thrown ball. No question.

Slayton mis-played it as well.

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The throw wasn't perfect but considering that Jones had a defender about to hit him(possibly did hit him) because Glowinski got beat and Feliciano is useless and didn't help...Jones put it on the best WR on our team 35 yards downfield...who got 2 hands on it. Last week it was Barkley, this week it's Slay. This is the NFL...their job is to catch the ball.
At some point the Giants will have to score 24 pints or more  
Chef : 12/4/2022 9:37 pm : link
to win a game....
Re: Slayton drop  
BillKo : 12/4/2022 9:41 pm : link
I was watching from the endzone and it appeared to be Slayton mistimed the jump too, but also seemed to stop his route instead of continuing up field?
Howard Cross commenting on Slayton play  
joe48 : 12/4/2022 9:43 pm : link
Said pass was perfectly thrown and Slayton jumped too early. Remarkable play considering defender was right in Jones’s face.
RE: Howard Cross commenting on Slayton play  
BillKo : 12/4/2022 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15933212 joe48 said:
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Said pass was perfectly thrown and Slayton jumped too early. Remarkable play considering defender was right in Jones’s face.


Someone said above - if he ran thru the route it would have been a TD - almost like DJ was leading him.
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