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larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 4:28 pm
Mitchell at the Garden
Knicks 1-4 intge last 5
Need a big win today
#LGK
Pretty big game  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 4:43 pm : link
for Thibs and the front office. If we get blown out I would expect changes this week.
Knicks get blown out today and I’d guess thibs is gone by tomorrow  
Knickstape : 12/4/2022 4:45 pm : link
You even got donovan Mitchell sub tweeting at the Knicks with a #letemknow
Shams reporting  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 5:34 pm : link
that Trae Young and Hawks HC Nate McMillan are feuding a bit and had “an exchange” at shootaround.
Teams know there wont be an adjustment  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2022 5:53 pm : link

New York Basketball
@NBA_NewYork
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"You're gonna get those shots. The way that they play, their job is they go out & they try to protect the paint as best they can. So the three-point line is going to be available to you."
It stinks I have to listen to the radio feed because for some reason  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 6:07 pm : link
the NBA considers me in Cleveland's home territory and blocks the telecast on league pass even thought I'm at least 8 hours from Cleveland.
RE: Teams know there wont be an adjustment  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15932553 nygiants16 said:
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New York Basketball
@NBA_NewYork
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"You're gonna get those shots. The way that they play, their job is they go out & they try to protect the paint as best they can. So the three-point line is going to be available to you."

Ridiculous
The league is all about the 3 point shot, so of course give them free looks
RE: It stinks I have to listen to the radio feed because for some reason  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2022 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15932596 steve in ky said:
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the NBA considers me in Cleveland's home territory and blocks the telecast on league pass even thought I'm at least 8 hours from Cleveland.


that has happened to me with Sixers games on Tnt and i am in Northern Jersey
RE: RE: It stinks I have to listen to the radio feed because for some reason  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15932609 nygiants16 said:
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the NBA considers me in Cleveland's home territory and blocks the telecast on league pass even thought I'm at least 8 hours from Cleveland.



that has happened to me with Sixers games on Tnt and i am in Northern Jersey


It must because some parts of KY touches Ohio so I'm viewed as in a neighboring state, but I'm nowhere near Cleveland. It's stupid.
2 RJ turnovers in the first 2 minutes -  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:15 pm : link
I've been an RJ supporter but he really isn't playing well. Missed two 3s so far as well.
This is what gives us false hope  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 6:18 pm : link
1-6 from 3 for the Cavs but all of them wide open, eventually they start to drop
I like him using McBride early in rotation  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 6:24 pm : link
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I don't blame Randle for being pissed there -  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:28 pm : link
he was fouled like five different ways and nothing was called
RE: I don't blame Randle for being pissed there -  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15932682 Del Shofner said:
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he was fouled like five different ways and nothing was called


Because of his often overbearing strength advantage of an opponent he seems to get far too many non-calls when there is obvious contact that would usually result in a foul.
I think Grimes has a chance of becoming a star  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 6:33 pm : link
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RJ with his signature move….  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 6:35 pm : link
randomly barreling into three defenders.
Cavs shoot 26% in the quarter  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 6:38 pm : link
I like McBride in this game for defense
RE: Cavs shoot 26% in the quarter  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15932729 larryflower37 said:
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I like McBride in this game for defense


I do too.
I like Deuce too  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 6:42 pm : link
but I wish a couple of his three point attempts would fall. He’s Frank level on the offensive end right now.
4 turnovers for RJB  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:48 pm : link
and we are in the 2Q.

He really needs to sit.
RE: 4 turnovers for RJB  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15932760 Del Shofner said:
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and we are in the 2Q.

He really needs to sit.


so then he jams it of course..
RE: 4 turnovers for RJB  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15932760 Del Shofner said:
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and we are in the 2Q.

He really needs to sit.


so then he jams it of course..
and then he travels again  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 6:50 pm : link
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So Fournier and now Rose out if the rotation  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2022 6:59 pm : link
1 more vet to go..
RJ is just terrible.  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 7:04 pm : link
What a letdown.
RE: RJ is just terrible.  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15932804 bceagle05 said:
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What a letdown.


I agree he is playing badly right now but it's like he's forgotten things from Basketball 101. I think he can play much better but his mind isn't right, right now. I think sitting him for a couple of games might be a good idea. My guess is he's mentally trying to justify the new contract but he just has to get that out of his head and let the game come back to him.
And he finally wakes up.  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 7:32 pm : link
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They better call these travels  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 7:38 pm : link
For the rest of the season because this is bullshit.
RE: They better call these travels  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15932904 larryflower37 said:
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For the rest of the season because this is bullshit.


Crazy, right? I've never seen so many travels called in an NBA game. Did the NBA issue a decree that the refs are to tighten up on the rule?
Ah yes  
Anakim : 12/4/2022 7:42 pm : link
We're at the "fuck it, I'm shooting it" point of the game from Randle
LOL. So many travels and turnovers.  
Anakim : 12/4/2022 7:45 pm : link
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Holding on for dear life.  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 8:13 pm : link
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The league made calling Traveling  
AG5686 : 12/4/2022 8:14 pm : link
a point of emphasis in the offseason
Knicks defense has been good  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 8:15 pm : link
But the Cavs can't shoot tonight.
Hold on we need a win.
Refs turning this into a farce.  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 8:17 pm : link
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It’s crazy that Brunson is bigger than Donovan Mitchell  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/4/2022 8:21 pm : link
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Well, they certainly responded.  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2022 8:22 pm : link
Dominant defensive effort. Grimes did great work on Mitchell.
well  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 8:22 pm : link
that was nice
Grimes and Deuce both good defensively  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 8:24 pm : link
if not offensively.

I hadn't been too high on IQ but he impressed me tonight.
That's a good win  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 8:24 pm : link
Cavs helped us out tonight but we need that.
Was Grimes on Mitchell?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 8:25 pm : link
Someone held him to 36% shooting. That's crazy.
Thibs gets to survive a bit longer  
Knickstape : 12/4/2022 8:27 pm : link
Wish we just lost so we could have gotten a jumpstart on a new coach and modern basketball
interesting box score -  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 8:32 pm : link
in terms of minutes (not necessarily who was guarding Mitchell) -

Mitch-Hart
Randle-Obi
RJ-IQ
Grimes-IQ
Brunson-Deuce
box score - ( New Window )
So you now have 3 disgruntled players on the bench  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2022 8:33 pm : link
Now we wait to see what they trade Rose, Cam and Fournier for..
RE: Thibs gets to survive a bit longer  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15933041 Knickstape said:
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Wish we just lost so we could have gotten a jumpstart on a new coach and modern basketball


Why even bother watching if you feel that way?
So far the Knicks have played  
shyster : 12/4/2022 8:36 pm : link
the Sixers without Embiid.

the Nuggets without Jokic.

the Twolves without Gobert.

the Cavs without Jarrett Allen.

Almost running the table on last year's All Star centers.

And they've won each game.
RE: RE: Thibs gets to survive a bit longer  
Knickstape : 12/4/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15933061 steve in ky said:
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Wish we just lost so we could have gotten a jumpstart on a new coach and modern basketball



Why even bother watching if you feel that way?


Did you still watch the giants with judge as a coach. I’m a fan of the Knicks but thibs and this regime are not good and need to be axed. Sooner that happens. The better for this franchise.
RE: RE: RE: Thibs gets to survive a bit longer  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15933069 Knickstape said:
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Wish we just lost so we could have gotten a jumpstart on a new coach and modern basketball



Why even bother watching if you feel that way?



Did you still watch the giants with judge as a coach. I’m a fan of the Knicks but thibs and this regime are not good and need to be axed. Sooner that happens. The better for this franchise.



Yes I watched every Giants game which Judge coached, you didn't?

I always watch all the teams I root for through both the bad and good times. The winning is a lot more fun and rewarding when you follow them through the journey of getting there.
Bulls lose again  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2022 8:44 pm : link
have to wonder if they make Derozan or Lavibmne available
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Knickstape : 12/4/2022 8:46 pm : link
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Wish we just lost so we could have gotten a jumpstart on a new coach and modern basketball



Why even bother watching if you feel that way?



Did you still watch the giants with judge as a coach. I’m a fan of the Knicks but thibs and this regime are not good and need to be axed. Sooner that happens. The better for this franchise.




Yes I watched every Giants game which Judge coached, you didn't?

I always watch all the teams I root for through both the bad and good times. The winning is a lot more fun and rewarding when you follow them through the journey of getting there.


As did I. Hence me asking that. I watched the game cause I’m still a fan. But the right move for this team is to Pivot to tanking and getting rid of thibs.
Just because I said I wish we lost doesn’t mean I didn’t watch. I tune into all giants and Knicks games. But I am not gonna say I will root for my team
To win when I don’t think it benefits them
Long term. Especially when it comes to basketball
I would like to see them move on from Thibs but  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 8:47 pm : link
I never root for any of the teams I follow to lose, Giants and Knicks included.

And full disclosure, I did skip some of the Judge-coached Giants games. But I didn't root for them to lose.

What was interesting about tonight is that it was a real Thibs-style win where the team played very good defense.

Also I would never root for the Knicks to lose at the Garden. I took my kids to many Knicks games at the Garden and you want everyone going home happy.
Rose was out because  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 8:48 pm : link
It was a back to back and Thibs wanted to give him rest. So he is not out of the rotation.
RE: Rose was out because  
Del Shofner : 12/4/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15933093 larryflower37 said:
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It was a back to back and Thibs wanted to give him rest. So he is not out of the rotation.


Why is Cam out? He's not on the injury list. He seemed to be playing well for a while there, including defense. Just curious if anyone knows.
I never will understand those rooting for their team to lose  
steve in ky : 12/4/2022 8:50 pm : link
The thought is just so foreign to me I can't even fathom it.
Nice win  
TyreeHelmet : 12/4/2022 8:51 pm : link
Impressive to dig in on a back to back to beat a good time given their current slide. You guys kill him but that’s a sign of a really good coach which Thibs is.

Sounds weird to say it because he didn’t shoot well tonight but man would Mitchell been perfect for this Knicks team. Guy can truly ball and swapping him for RJ ( along with whatever else it took) gives this Knicks team a whole different future.

Brunson was clutch down the stretch.

Lastly, the weirdest and most frequent travel calls I’ve ever seen in an nba game.
Randle's lack of defense  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2022 6:02 pm : link
Per 100 poss. on defense, NYK allows 14 more points with Randle on the court vs off.

Their opponent's EFG% also drops from 55.4% to 47.3% with Randle on the bench
I wish Thibs would stick  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2022 6:09 pm : link
with Mcbride over Rose, i know Deuce needs to get better shooting but the defense coming off the bench in the backcourt changes the dynamic of this team..

They need to move Rose  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2022 7:19 pm : link
Especially if Dallas is really interested.
I am okay with moving Quickley,Cam, Hartenstein,and Fournier too, I don't see any scenario where they can move Randle. Get as many picks and dead contracts as possible now and at the deadline.
It isn't a tank because they are not even close to essential to this team especially with a 9 man rotation.
RE: I wish Thibs would stick  
Del Shofner : 12/5/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15934885 nygiants16 said:
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with Mcbride over Rose, i know Deuce needs to get better shooting but the defense coming off the bench in the backcourt changes the dynamic of this team..


I was just flipping through channels and saw the Westchester Knicks are on so I watched a few minutes and realized - Deuce is playing for Westchester tonight. So is Sims. I guess it's nearby and it gets them minutes....
With Deuce offensively  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2022 7:47 pm : link
he just has to figure out his role, its hard for a guy to play 1 out 5 games and expect anything offensively..

At WVU he ran the show, he was a good offensive player and obviously a grest defensive player, i think in the NBA he is Marcus Smart..Tough defender and 3 point shooter with the occasional drive to the basket and setting up teammates..

He is not a star by any means but on a good team he can be a really useful player..
Atlanta coming to town next -  
Del Shofner : 12/5/2022 9:54 pm : link
actually a pretty big game for this early in the season. Would be nice to pick up a game on them. Looks like Collins and Hunter may be out.

I could see Grimes and Deuce on Trae.
RE: Atlanta coming to town next -  
Anakim : 12/5/2022 9:56 pm : link
In comment 15935139 Del Shofner said:
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actually a pretty big game for this early in the season. Would be nice to pick up a game on them. Looks like Collins and Hunter may be out.

I could see Grimes and Deuce on Trae.


Isn't Tre injured?
Grimes is a pretty playmaker, more so than pretty much anyone else  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/5/2022 10:01 pm : link
on the roster. I wish Thibs would let him loose and give him the free rein like RJ and Randle.

Finally caught a half last night, man has RJ regressed. He’s ball stopper and ball hog like Randle now.
"Deuce" is shooting 30.1% in his 52 NBA games to date  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2022 10:19 pm : link
I don't care how good his defense supposedly is - he's got to show some minimal level of competence offensively before I think he's an NBA player.
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Del Shofner : 12/5/2022 10:21 pm : link
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actually a pretty big game for this early in the season. Would be nice to pick up a game on them. Looks like Collins and Hunter may be out.

I could see Grimes and Deuce on Trae.



Isn't Tre injured?


He's not on their current injury report, so I don't think so.
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larryflower37 : 12/5/2022 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15935170 Greg from LI said:
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I don't care how good his defense supposedly is - he's got to show some minimal level of competence offensively before I think he's an NBA player.


Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.
I am not sold on any of our young players at this point.
Quickley, Grimes, Toppin, Deuce have shown very little overall could be many reasons why usage, playtime etc but there is not much value there at this point
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bceagle05 : 12/5/2022 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15935202 larryflower37 said:
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Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.

The Knicks franchise seems to value Grimes, as did Utah and its HOF executive. Not sure why Knicks fans always get blamed.
I think the point of frustration with Thibs  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 8:27 am : link
and this organization is the fact that these young players are not the focal point, not because they are stars but because they all have talent and they can either help this team or another team in a trade but we dont get to see that..

Any other organization that has ok vets would be leaning into their youth but here we are and we are getting Randle playing entire quarters again, Rose getting 12 to 14 minutes that could be going to mcbride, Cam out of the rotation..

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BigBlueShock : 12/6/2022 8:32 am : link
In comment 15935202 larryflower37 said:
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I don't care how good his defense supposedly is - he's got to show some minimal level of competence offensively before I think he's an NBA player.



Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.
I am not sold on any of our young players at this point.
Quickley, Grimes, Toppin, Deuce have shown very little overall could be many reasons why usage, playtime etc but there is not much value there at this point

Since “everyone” has said Grimes is a future All Star, I’m assuming you can provide a ton of links to show us all where everyone has said this? I can’t find any links to threads where this has been the case so maybe you can help?
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BigBlueShock : 12/6/2022 8:38 am : link
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Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.


The Knicks franchise seems to value Grimes, as did Utah and its HOF executive. Not sure why Knicks fans always get blamed.

Fans always get the blame. The media does this all the time too. They will constantly criticize a player when he’s struggling and then as soon as he starts playing better they throw out the ole “and fans wanted to run this guy out of town!”.
Every game is a roller coaster...  
Jan in DC : 12/6/2022 10:47 am : link
but if you take a step back and look at the record, it's pretty much in line with what was expected out of this team. About .500, maybe a little under for the year. They lack talent, but have enough to compete and beat against the dregs of the league.

The alarming thing, and the reason for the roller coaster, is the way we've lost a couple of these games. The Atlanta game, the Mav's game are just tough looks for the coach and the FO that assembled this hodge podge of players.

We have a lot of players that are middle of the rotation guys. I love that they want to put together a winning roster, but in this league, you need stars. The last team that won without one was a Pistons team a bajillion years ago.

This FO has either been unwilling or unable to put together that big swing for a player that can be a championship piece. The clock is ticking though, so I expect them to be active at the trade deadline.
I don't know that anyone predicted Grimes as an All-Star  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2022 10:54 am : link
But IMO they did seem to assume he'd be a good player before he showed much of anything.

Now, I'm fine with the viewpoint that the Knicks aren't going anywhere anyway and they'd be better off giving the young guys the bulk of the playing time to see if any of them are worth anything. I still think McBride probably is an end of the bench guy, at best.
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djm : 12/6/2022 11:00 am : link
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I don't care how good his defense supposedly is - he's got to show some minimal level of competence offensively before I think he's an NBA player.



Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.
I am not sold on any of our young players at this point.
Quickley, Grimes, Toppin, Deuce have shown very little overall could be many reasons why usage, playtime etc but there is not much value there at this point


IQ is by far the best of the young player bunch. He actually plays OK on both ends of the court and maybe better than OK, defensively. Grimes is good on D too.
RE: Every game is a roller coaster...  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2022 11:02 am : link
In comment 15935485 Jan in DC said:
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This FO has either been unwilling or unable to put together that big swing for a player that can be a championship piece. The clock is ticking though, so I expect them to be active at the trade deadline.

Macri seems to think they're stalling til the trade market unofficially opens on Dec. 15 (when guys signed last summer can be dealt) - give Thibs a talent upgrade by the deadline and see if the team responds.
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Jan in DC : 12/6/2022 11:13 am : link
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This FO has either been unwilling or unable to put together that big swing for a player that can be a championship piece. The clock is ticking though, so I expect them to be active at the trade deadline.


Macri seems to think they're stalling til the trade market unofficially opens on Dec. 15 (when guys signed last summer can be dealt) - give Thibs a talent upgrade by the deadline and see if the team responds.


I mean, they needed to make a consolidation trade this offseason, but they got rid of Burks and Noel and just gave their positions to IHart and Brunson. If they make some trades, they need to shorten the roster. If not, we're still going to be hearing about players complaining about playing time and being benched all throughout the season.
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nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 11:28 am : link
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This FO has either been unwilling or unable to put together that big swing for a player that can be a championship piece. The clock is ticking though, so I expect them to be active at the trade deadline.


Macri seems to think they're stalling til the trade market unofficially opens on Dec. 15 (when guys signed last summer can be dealt) - give Thibs a talent upgrade by the deadline and see if the team responds.


Makes sense, seems like thats what the rest of the league does as well
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larryflower37 : 12/6/2022 11:29 am : link
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I don't care how good his defense supposedly is - he's got to show some minimal level of competence offensively before I think he's an NBA player.



Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.
I am not sold on any of our young players at this point.
Quickley, Grimes, Toppin, Deuce have shown very little overall could be many reasons why usage, playtime etc but there is not much value there at this point



IQ is by far the best of the young player bunch. He actually plays OK on both ends of the court and maybe better than OK, defensively. Grimes is good on D too.

I am not saying they are not good players but it's all projections and hope at this point.
Grimes has been getting starter minutes and actually got 40 minutes vs the Cavs.(led the team)
His offensive game has not been there. 2 for 8 and 0-4 from 3 with 4 turnovers. You can't get that production from your starting 2 guard.
Had zero fun reading Jonathan Givony’s rookie rankings article  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2022 11:59 am : link
and seeing AJ Griffin at #4 and Jalen Duren at #8.
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djm : 12/6/2022 11:59 am : link
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I don't care how good his defense supposedly is - he's got to show some minimal level of competence offensively before I think he's an NBA player.



Grimes is a 41% shooter in 60 games and 27% from 3 this year, everyone has him as an future all-star.
Knicks fans always over value our own players.
I am not sold on any of our young players at this point.
Quickley, Grimes, Toppin, Deuce have shown very little overall could be many reasons why usage, playtime etc but there is not much value there at this point



IQ is by far the best of the young player bunch. He actually plays OK on both ends of the court and maybe better than OK, defensively. Grimes is good on D too.


Shouldn't say by far that was incorrect. But he's the best of the bunch in my view with RJB a close second. Grimes has a chance to be better than any of the younger guards.
RE: Had zero fun reading Jonathan Givony’s rookie rankings article  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 12:02 pm : link
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and seeing AJ Griffin at #4 and Jalen Duren at #8.


Neither would be playing on this team and the only reason Griffin is playing is because Atlanta has injuries
RE: RE: Had zero fun reading Jonathan Givony’s rookie rankings article  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2022 12:22 pm : link
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and seeing AJ Griffin at #4 and Jalen Duren at #8.



Neither would be playing on this team and the only reason Griffin is playing is because Atlanta has injuries


AJ Griffin wouldn’t be playing on this team because they couldn’t possibly spare time from RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish’s combined 29% shooting from the 3 point line?
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nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 12:24 pm : link
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and seeing AJ Griffin at #4 and Jalen Duren at #8.



Neither would be playing on this team and the only reason Griffin is playing is because Atlanta has injuries



AJ Griffin wouldn’t be playing on this team because they couldn’t possibly spare time from RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish’s combined 29% shooting from the 3 point line?


Team doesnt need more role players, they need a star
Derrick Rose is out of the rotation  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 1:51 pm : link
Mcbride is in, 9 man rotation
RE: RE: RE: RE: Had zero fun reading Jonathan Givony’s rookie rankings article  
Enzo : 12/6/2022 2:01 pm : link
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and seeing AJ Griffin at #4 and Jalen Duren at #8.



Neither would be playing on this team and the only reason Griffin is playing is because Atlanta has injuries



AJ Griffin wouldn’t be playing on this team because they couldn’t possibly spare time from RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish’s combined 29% shooting from the 3 point line?



Team doesnt need more role players, they need a star

that is short sighted thinking. It helps to have a pool of attractive young players on your roster from which you can pull together a trade offer. And Duren is barely 19. Nobody knows what he's going to be.
RE: Derrick Rose is out of the rotation  
larryflower37 : 12/6/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15935839 nygiants16 said:
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Mcbride is in, 9 man rotation

Where did you hear this?
RE: RE: Derrick Rose is out of the rotation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2022 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15936392 larryflower37 said:
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Mcbride is in, 9 man rotation


Where did you hear this?


Bondy reported, Rose himself confirmed.
I don't get benching Cam.  
larryflower37 : 12/6/2022 8:50 pm : link
"Rose and Reddish out.
Tom Thibodeau announced he’s benching Derrick Rose and Cam Reddish as he looks to give Quentin Grimes and Deuce McBride more minutes instead."

Front office needs to do the right thing and move these guys, sad that the guys benched were sign and/or traded for when the kids were sitting on the bench.
36 million benched what a waste
There HAS to be a move.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2022 8:53 pm : link
There's just no reason to play rose right now in 2022. Roster is too heavy.

Cam, sure but Deuce should play as well as toppin and quickley. Drafting these guys and not playing them makes you look like a directionless organization.
RE: There HAS to be a move.  
TyreeHelmet : 12/6/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15936403 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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There's just no reason to play rose right now in 2022. Roster is too heavy.

Cam, sure but Deuce should play as well as toppin and quickley. Drafting these guys and not playing them makes you look like a directionless organization.


They are a directionless organization. It’s pretty apparent and has been for some time this front office has no clue what they are doing.
Bench 3 players you have spent a ton on.  
larryflower37 : 12/6/2022 9:18 pm : link
When the guys they were benched for have been here the whole time.
Ridiculous how this front office is so incompetent and now they will try and move them and have to attach picks to get them off the team .
Cavs/ Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 12/6/2022 9:36 pm : link
Anyone watching this game? Mitchell is going off… what a special talent.
I just don't see it with McBride. I know he puts a stats in the G  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/6/2022 9:41 pm : link
leauge like he's Jordan and Magic rolled into one, but he's shown little offense up here.

I like Grimes, he SHOULD get more minutes. Rose needed to be traded a year ago. Reddish I'am ambivalent about.

It's frustrating to see them squander picks, squander player they exchange for a pick, what's next just forfeit picks? Watch them turn the three 1st round picks into two 2nd round picks in next year's draft.

This year has been an absolute abomination with the uninspiring record and the young players taking a step back. Fuck Thibs.
RE: I just don't see it with McBride. I know he puts a stats in the G  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 9:56 pm : link
In comment 15936445 Jim in Hoboken said:
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leauge like he's Jordan and Magic rolled into one, but he's shown little offense up here.

I like Grimes, he SHOULD get more minutes. Rose needed to be traded a year ago. Reddish I'am ambivalent about.

It's frustrating to see them squander picks, squander player they exchange for a pick, what's next just forfeit picks? Watch them turn the three 1st round picks into two 2nd round picks in next year's draft.

This year has been an absolute abomination with the uninspiring record and the young players taking a step back. Fuck Thibs.


His offense is sporadic in the NBA because his minutes are sporadic and his role is basically 3 and d defender..Of course his stats are going to be different compared to the g league where he is the best player..

When has this front office ever traded a 1st for a future 2nd? never, you could argue their trades have actually been pretty good..

And who has regressed? quickley's defense and rebounding has been fantastic and his offense is getting better each game..

Toppin is a 40% 3 ppint shooter, his rebounding is improving and he is still jump oit of the gym..

Grimes has become a great finisher and fantastic passer, 2 things scouts said he sucked at in college..

Sims when given minutes is a freak athlete and has contributed, for the 58th pick he is oretty good..

you want to complain the front office hasnt made the big move? thats fine but their drafting and getting draft picks has been rpetty good..

Where they have screwed up is bringing in vets
I did not think IQ was going to be that useful of a player but  
Del Shofner : 12/6/2022 9:59 pm : link
this year he has me coming around. For one thing, he's a very good defensive rebounder for a guard. He's also stopped chucking so much.
The problem for this front office  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 10:04 pm : link
has been their veteran free agency adds other than Brunson.

It was very good their first offseason but then doubled down on their 4th seed year and kvercompensated on the offensive end with Kemba and Fournier..

I am happy they are moving away from Rose and Fournier in the rotation..
RE: RE: I just don't see it with McBride. I know he puts a stats in the G  
larryflower37 : 12/6/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15936461 nygiants16 said:
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leauge like he's Jordan and Magic rolled into one, but he's shown little offense up here.

I like Grimes, he SHOULD get more minutes. Rose needed to be traded a year ago. Reddish I'am ambivalent about.

It's frustrating to see them squander picks, squander player they exchange for a pick, what's next just forfeit picks? Watch them turn the three 1st round picks into two 2nd round picks in next year's draft.

This year has been an absolute abomination with the uninspiring record and the young players taking a step back. Fuck Thibs.



His offense is sporadic in the NBA because his minutes are sporadic and his role is basically 3 and d defender..Of course his stats are going to be different compared to the g league where he is the best player..

When has this front office ever traded a 1st for a future 2nd? never, you could argue their trades have actually been pretty good..

And who has regressed? quickley's defense and rebounding has been fantastic and his offense is getting better each game..

Toppin is a 40% 3 ppint shooter, his rebounding is improving and he is still jump oit of the gym..

Grimes has become a great finisher and fantastic passer, 2 things scouts said he sucked at in college..

Sims when given minutes is a freak athlete and has contributed, for the 58th pick he is oretty good..

you want to complain the front office hasnt made the big move? thats fine but their drafting and getting draft picks has been rpetty good..

Where they have screwed up is bringing in vets


Grimes has showed that in summer league not in the NBA. He has shown nothing this season his offensive numbers are horrible.
You think the Cam trade was a good one?
The draft day trades were good?
We gave away players and picks for cap space because they handed out bad contracts.
So yes they hit on roll players late in the first round.
Toppin is not what you want from a 9th pick in season 3. He is getting 15 minutes a game.
Can they be better if managed better I think so but that a hypothetical not reality right now.
You are getting nothing back for Rose, Cam, and Fournier it will probably cost us to get them off the roster.
RE: RE: RE: I just don't see it with McBride. I know he puts a stats in the G  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2022 10:09 pm : link
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leauge like he's Jordan and Magic rolled into one, but he's shown little offense up here.

I like Grimes, he SHOULD get more minutes. Rose needed to be traded a year ago. Reddish I'am ambivalent about.

It's frustrating to see them squander picks, squander player they exchange for a pick, what's next just forfeit picks? Watch them turn the three 1st round picks into two 2nd round picks in next year's draft.

This year has been an absolute abomination with the uninspiring record and the young players taking a step back. Fuck Thibs.



His offense is sporadic in the NBA because his minutes are sporadic and his role is basically 3 and d defender..Of course his stats are going to be different compared to the g league where he is the best player..

When has this front office ever traded a 1st for a future 2nd? never, you could argue their trades have actually been pretty good..

And who has regressed? quickley's defense and rebounding has been fantastic and his offense is getting better each game..

Toppin is a 40% 3 ppint shooter, his rebounding is improving and he is still jump oit of the gym..

Grimes has become a great finisher and fantastic passer, 2 things scouts



Grimes has showed that in summer league not in the NBA. He has shown nothing this season his offensive numbers are horrible.
You think the Cam trade was a good one?
The draft day trades were good?
We gave away players and picks for cap space because they handed out bad contracts.
So yes they hit on roll players late in the first round.
Toppin is not what you want from a 9th pick in season 3. He is getting 15 minutes a game.
Can they be better if managed better I think so but that a hypothetical not reality right now.
You are getting nothing back for Rose, Cam, and Fournier it will probably cost us to get them off the roster.


Grimes hasnt shown he can get to the rim and dish? he has been doing it ever since he has come back, he has struggled from 3..

the cam trade was a bad one? they traded a trash player and a 1st that will never convey until it becomes 2 seconds..

What picks did they give away? they trade a 1st for 3 future 1sts and used 2nds to get rid of Burks and Noel, they gave uo nothing to get rid of those 2..
They haven't blown any picks but you can't tell me they've  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/6/2022 10:35 pm : link
maximized all of their picks either. They've yet to hit it big in the drafts despite opportunities to do so.

I like Quickley but with Brunson here he's a bit redundant. He's still the way he was 2 years ago, a good spark plug off the bench when he is on, nothing more.

I liked the Toppin pick, one of a few on this site. Thanks to Thibs he's a shadow of his late 2021 finish. How has he not regressed?

Grimes is always hurt. Looking at his prep clips he's a playmaker. Limited by his lack of top shelf athleticism he will need to hit jumpers to be a good offensive player in this league. I wish Thibs would give him the green light like he does RJ and Randle.

Just even handling the ball is an adventure for McBride. Perhaps he'll gain more confidence and comfort with playing time, but I don't see how he'll get it with how Thibs handles the roster.

The bottom line is, they need to use the picks to accumualte good players. It's beyond frustrating how the youngsters, on the roster or potentially, can't get more time on this middling team with limited talent.
Not getting Mitchell was brutal  
Sean : 12/6/2022 10:49 pm : link
Can’t wait for Leon Rose to go.
According to Fred Katz  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2022 9:35 am : link
Knicks are active in trade talks, Quickley, Rose, Cam and Fournier are the 4 main players being discussed..

Says Knicks are not desperate to trade Fournier and are willing to take on a bad contract if an asset comes back..Willnot attach firsts jist to get rid of him..

Not a lot of suitors for Cam or Rose, maybe closer to the deadline..

Quickley will only be dealt if they get a 1st round pick back or in a bigger deal
Just saw this.  
Knickstape : 12/7/2022 9:52 am : link
Quickley: Per @FredKatz

‘They also have communicated that they are willing to attach Quickley or Reddish to Fournier to make a trade work, league sources said.’

@TheAthletic

If they attach quickley move Fournier this entire front office needs to go immediately.

It would be once again using valuable pieces to dump horrendous contracts. This regime should not be defended. The moves they have made are awful and this would be just another one
If they're shopping Quickley  
Jan in DC : 12/7/2022 10:21 am : link
I'm guessing they think they can get his production for less, or draft someone to get another piece on a rookie scale deal. It's a bad look. He's been probably their most successful draft pick, if he's flipped for a late 1st, it feels like it was all for nothing.

Outside of Brunson, this FO has really really really botched free agency. They've blocked playing time of their young players by signing vets who are now getting benched, who also didn't help this team win.
Katz article is brutal  
larryflower37 : 12/7/2022 10:29 am : link
Basically no one wants our trash.
-Rose is washed.
-Cam will bring back nothing.
-Fournier has interest but we won't add assets
-Quickley has interest but looks more like a top 20 restricted pick or lumped in to take the above.

What a mess this FO has created.
RE: Katz article is brutal  
Enzo : 12/7/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15936793 larryflower37 said:
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Basically no one wants our trash.
-Rose is washed.
-Cam will bring back nothing.
-Fournier has interest but we won't add assets
-Quickley has interest but looks more like a top 20 restricted pick or lumped in to take the above.

What a mess this FO has created.

I'm trying to forget everything I just read in that article.
RE: Katz article is brutal  
widmerseyebrow : 12/7/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15936793 larryflower37 said:
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Basically no one wants our trash.
-Rose is washed.
-Cam will bring back nothing.
-Fournier has interest but we won't add assets
-Quickley has interest but looks more like a top 20 restricted pick or lumped in to take the above.

What a mess this FO has created.


There's really no rationalizing any of it. So brutal being a fan of this team.
Why not hold off on trading some of these guys  
ghost718 : 12/7/2022 11:24 am : link
and see what a better coach thinks

Not someone who decides one day that Evan Fournier has gone from Starter to Shit,nothing in between.
I can’t imagine there are fans still defending Leon Rose  
Sean : 12/7/2022 11:59 am : link
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I guess it makes sense now  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2022 12:04 pm : link
why Rose and Cam are out of the rotation
RE: I can’t imagine there are fans still defending Leon Rose  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2022 12:05 pm : link
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I am still giving him until the deadline
Talk is Rose is very loyal to Thibs  
larryflower37 : 12/7/2022 1:12 pm : link
Thibs will be here unless they completely tank.
I don't think Rose is going anywhere for at least this year so hopefully he can pull of some miracle trades after December 15th.
Problem is every smart GM knows he needs to move off Rose and Fournier, they are going to hold his feet to the fire.
Hasn’t the whole agent to GM thing been disproved?  
Sean : 12/7/2022 1:16 pm : link
Cut the bullshit and bring in people who can do the job.
Knicks working with cam to find a deal  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2022 1:39 pm : link
according to Bondy...You knew once Grimeams was healthy there were just no minutes for him
RE: Katz article is brutal  
djm : 12/7/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15936793 larryflower37 said:
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Basically no one wants our trash.
-Rose is washed.
-Cam will bring back nothing.
-Fournier has interest but we won't add assets
-Quickley has interest but looks more like a top 20 restricted pick or lumped in to take the above.

What a mess this FO has created.


I've seen real messes. This isn't one of those situations by any means.

The front office inherited a bad roster and they have turned it into a mediocre roster. They haven't mortgaged the future at all and they really don't have any deadly contracts despite some of you thinking otherwise, not to mention it's not like there is a player to be signed right now that we can't sign due to the cap

They have held serve. They haven't been great by any means and they haven't made the HR move but Brunson was a good one.

Boring to be sure. But not a mess. The mid to late 2000s were a mess.
i find it astounding  
djm : 12/7/2022 1:51 pm : link
and so Knicks that as this franchise finally places itself into rare air where they have financial room and picks and even some young chip/talents to trade, there is such little super star player movement and availability. We had ONE guy basically, Mitchell, and that fell through and he wasn't exactly the perfect (legendary) player to go all in on.

I hate to be negative but sometimes I just wonder if this franchise is just doomed to lose forever and ever. You can't even go back and use hindsight to get this team to perennial 58 win status without really digging and searching. Where was that move? Mitchell? We aint getting to elite status on that move, even paired with Brunson.

We never pick high enough. We never sign that perfect FA. We always just miss. Every other franchise I root for carries that good karma even during the worst of times. The Knicks don't.
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