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Giants' play calling end of each half

Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 4:30 pm
I thought it was awful. They played for a field goal in the first half from the start of the drive. And in the second half, that second shot downfield was stupid. They needed to play for la first down and take some time off the clock. Kafka or Daboll, however, not smart, imo
So  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:31 pm : link
you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.
Play calling was suspect, the execution was just awful!  
Jack Stroud : 12/4/2022 4:32 pm : link
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RE: So  
ChrisRick : 12/4/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:
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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.


maybe I'm missing something. Where did he say that?
Just plain awful  
Gmen703 : 12/4/2022 4:32 pm : link
#FireKafka
Firing them is dumb  
dancing blue bear : 12/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
But the point remains. Really bad job coaching today. Inexplicable
Yes, I am not  
section125 : 12/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
a fan of Kafka's calls on many occasions. There was no reason not to try for the EZ at the end of the 1st on 3rd down. There was nothing to lose.
I think  
g56blue10 : 12/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
You can criticize a coach and not mean you think he should be fired . Do you ageee with the calls at the end of the first half ?
It's clear they don't have confidence in the QB  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
So much of the play-calling revolves around that
the thing that stands out to me  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
is that under pressure Jones crumbles
How do you know the playcall  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
How do you know the playcall wasn't audibles?

Hard to place blame here if we are being honest.
RE: So  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/4/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:
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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.


Weird response
The shine is off  
M.S. : 12/4/2022 4:34 pm : link

Daboll.

And he and Daboll own this horrific offense
RE: It's clear they don't have confidence in the QB  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15932074 Gary from The East End said:
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So much of the play-calling revolves around that


he only had like 3 incompletions today, no ints, and 1 of the incompletions was a drop. at some point dont you have to give him a chance to fail instead of trying to avoid failure at all costs?
RE: So  
Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:
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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.


I'm missing the need to put words in my mouth and create a straw man
RE: The shine is off  
IchabodGiant : 12/4/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15932094 M.S. said:
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Daboll.

And he and Daboll own this horrific offense


This is an utterly ridiculous post.
RE: It's clear they don't have confidence in the QB  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/4/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15932074 Gary from The East End said:
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So much of the play-calling revolves around that


this is stupid. he hadn't thrown an incomplete pass the whole first half. Why wouldn't they take a shot to the endzone at the end of the half at some point?
It was probably  
ChrisRick : 12/4/2022 4:37 pm : link
only a matter of time before the Giants ran out of hiding places for their offense. The coaching staff did a great job this season managing this offense with the lack of players. There just is not really any place to run, it is up to the players to get better.
RE: The shine is off  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15932094 M.S. said:
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Daboll.

And he and Daboll own this horrific offense


that's an overreaction. they were never going to stay perfect in terms of coaching decisions like they were in the first 10 weeks, and the offense is still functional. they just need to stop coaching afraid and trying to outscheme everything. let the players play.

philly is going to put up a lot of points on this secondary next week so like they dallas game they need to cut the passing game loose.
RE: It's clear they don't have confidence in the QB  
BigBlueShock : 12/4/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15932074 Gary from The East End said:
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So much of the play-calling revolves around that

This. x1000
Fans lol.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2022 4:38 pm : link
Some of us tried to warn you not to get so high on your own supply.
RE: It's clear they don't have confidence in the QB  
Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15932074 Gary from The East End said:
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So much of the play-calling revolves around that


And yet, Jones had gone 14 for 15 in the half, with the only incompletion being a spike
RE: It was probably  
ChrisRick : 12/4/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15932115 ChrisRick said:
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only a matter of time before the Giants ran out of hiding places for their offense. The coaching staff did a great job this season managing this offense with the lack of players. There just is not really any place to run, it is up to the players to get better.


By run, I mean hide. Scheming gets you only so far.
Kafka  
Costy16 : 12/4/2022 4:39 pm : link
Has been shit for a few games now. Daboll needs to give him a kick in the ass because some of his play calling has been total dog shit.
RE: RE: So  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15932059 ChrisRick said:
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In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:


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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.



maybe I'm missing something. Where did he say that?


Why would you keep a head coach who is stupid? Bill says Daboll is stupid.
Those off tackle runs to Barkley  
greatgrandpa : 12/4/2022 4:40 pm : link
On first and second down need to go. Waste of a down. Defenses are pinched to track him in the middle now. They need to get him the ball in space not in a crowd
RE: RE: So  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15932106 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:


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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.



I'm missing the need to put words in my mouth and create a straw man


You said Daboll is stupid. You support keeping a stupid head coach?

Interesting.
RE: RE: RE: So  
ChrisRick : 12/4/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15932136 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15932059 ChrisRick said:


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In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:


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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.



maybe I'm missing something. Where did he say that?



Why would you keep a head coach who is stupid? Bill says Daboll is stupid.


He did not say they were stupid, he said IT was stupid.
ChrisRick  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:41 pm : link
He literally said: "Kafka or Daboll, however, not smart, imo"
RE: ChrisRick  
ChrisRick : 12/4/2022 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15932156 Eric from BBI said:
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He literally said: "Kafka or Daboll, however, not smart, imo"


Yes, he was talking about the decision.
...  
christian : 12/4/2022 4:44 pm : link
I predict the story of the week will be if Kafka loses play calling.
disagreeing with a coaching decision  
RicFlair : 12/4/2022 4:46 pm : link
doesn’t mean you think the coaches are stupid or should be fired.


Jeez Louise.
RE: disagreeing with a coaching decision  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15932200 RicFlair said:
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doesn’t mean you think the coaches are stupid or should be fired.


Jeez Louise.


I read it as him calling the head coach "not smart"... if he's talking about the decision, then I misinterpreted what he said.
We have a first year HC and OC  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2022 4:48 pm : link
first go around for both. What's important is growing. 2nd half was really bad for O. I think you can give some blame to a lot on that side and coaches should be included imv.
If they don't trust him (which is silly, they do)  
Andy in Halifax : 12/4/2022 4:50 pm : link
They should. 25 for 31 for 200 yards. 1 incompletion was a very bad drop on a deep pass and another was a spike. Plus 70 yards rushing. That's a good day given the circumstances.

Our blocking was poor, tackling poor and I think it's fair to question okay calling at certain points. Plus, that Wash defense is legit.
This season is turning into pure heart burn  
Ben in Tampa : 12/4/2022 4:51 pm : link
The Giants roster is so bad. The coaches doesn’t trust the players and I’m not sure they should.

7-4-1 is a minor miracle with this roster, but the early success has made what was mostly inevitable so frustrating to watch.

Still have a shot at the playoffs though
They don't trust Jones at all  
Jerry in_DC : 12/4/2022 4:53 pm : link
Once you understand that, everything makes sense. They trust him on play action to make short, simple throws that are right in front of him. They don't trust him at all in the pocket doing anything more than quick swing passes, especially n throwing situations
RE: So  
middleground : 12/4/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:
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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.


Your pretentiousness is becoming irritating...
RE: RE: So  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15932266 middleground said:
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In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:


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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.



Your pretentiousness is becoming irritating...


Awe... did I hurt your little feelings? So sorry.

Hey, if the site becomes too much for you, leave.
The play calling  
PaulN : 12/4/2022 5:01 pm : link
Was stupid. He is right about that. How can you defend it. But firing anyone is a joke of a take. You make yourself into the joke, instead of keeping the focus where it belongs, on horrible play calling, clock management. Horrible, just horrible.
RE: It's clear they don't have confidence in the QB  
mfsd : 12/4/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15932074 Gary from The East End said:
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So much of the play-calling revolves around that


Or the receivers. We saw them get aggressive for that one late series - dropped deep ball by Slayton, bad deep throw by Jones, near INT by Jones. Terrible series, that almost gift wrapped the win until the defense stepped up late

This team competes, but I think some people overlook the fact they’re still really not that good. And the coaching staff knows it

It’s not like we’ve got Mahomes out there and they’re calling it conservative
RE: RE: RE: So  
middleground : 12/4/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15932285 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15932044 Eric from BBI said:


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you'd fire the coaching staff?

Interesting.



Your pretentiousness is becoming irritating...



Awe... did I hurt your little feelings? So sorry.

Hey, if the site becomes too much for you, leave.


No feelings necessary, I'm just observing the most impartial poster on this site, someone who railed against sycophants, become, well, a sycophant.
RE: RE: disagreeing with a coaching decision  
Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15932210 Eric from BBI said:
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doesn’t mean you think the coaches are stupid or should be fired.


Jeez Louise.



I read it as him calling the head coach "not smart"... if he's talking about the decision, then I misinterpreted what he said.


If that's what it seemed like I meant, my apologies. I meant to say the the calls were stupid, not that the coaches were. I will, however, stand behind saying that Daboll is fat, lol.
RE: RE: RE: disagreeing with a coaching decision  
RicFlair : 12/4/2022 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15932370 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15932210 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 15932200 RicFlair said:


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doesn’t mean you think the coaches are stupid or should be fired.


Jeez Louise.



I read it as him calling the head coach "not smart"... if he's talking about the decision, then I misinterpreted what he said.



If that's what it seemed like I meant, my apologies. I meant to say the the calls were stupid, not that the coaches were. I will, however, stand behind saying that Daboll is fat, lol.


The Costanza trifecta.
RE: This season is turning into pure heart burn  
section125 : 12/4/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15932238 Ben in Tampa said:
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The Giants roster is so bad. The coaches doesn’t trust the players and I’m not sure they should.

7-4-1 is a minor miracle with this roster, but the early success has made what was mostly inevitable so frustrating to watch.

Still have a shot at the playoffs though


It is a miracle that they are still in it in December...but when your QB is 14/15 and his only INC was a spike to stop the clock, you take a chance on the EZ. An incomplete stops the clock without needing a spike.

I will say Barkley should have had a couple 1st downs that he did not attack the LoS - especially early 3rd qtr on a 2nd and two. Then a bad QB run play that was stopped 1 yard short.
End of 1st half decision to run Jones made no sense  
BlackLight : 12/4/2022 5:34 pm : link
End of OT decision to punt on 4th and 3 - I'm fine with it. If we're going to laud a HC for taking the risk there, we should be willing to do the same for punting and and expecting his defense to make a stop.

Because clearly, the defense didn't think they were playing for a tie.
Laughable  
giantBCP : 12/4/2022 5:40 pm : link
People lauded our conservative play calling to end out halves because they felt that our elite staff would make magical second half adjustments. We would “wear them down” with our ground game. I was ripped when I called it out earlier in the season.
RE: Laughable  
section125 : 12/4/2022 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15932486 giantBCP said:
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People lauded our conservative play calling to end out halves because they felt that our elite staff would make magical second half adjustments. We would “wear them down” with our ground game. I was ripped when I called it out earlier in the season.


Yeah, you're brilliant as usual. If you send Daboll as message, I am sure he will be happy.
RE: RE: Laughable  
giantBCP : 12/4/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15932508 section125 said:
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In comment 15932486 giantBCP said:


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People lauded our conservative play calling to end out halves because they felt that our elite staff would make magical second half adjustments. We would “wear them down” with our ground game. I was ripped when I called it out earlier in the season.



Yeah, you're brilliant as usual. If you send Daboll as message, I am sure he will be happy.


I’d be happy enough if posters like yourself got the message.
RE: They don't trust Jones at all  
HomerJones45 : 12/4/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15932250 Jerry in_DC said:
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Once you understand that, everything makes sense. They trust him on play action to make short, simple throws that are right in front of him. They don't trust him at all in the pocket doing anything more than quick swing passes, especially n throwing situations
exactly. We may end up with a new qb room next season. There is no sense keeping Taylor around either.
RE: RE: They don't trust Jones at all  
Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15932517 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15932250 Jerry in_DC said:


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Once you understand that, everything makes sense. They trust him on play action to make short, simple throws that are right in front of him. They don't trust him at all in the pocket doing anything more than quick swing passes, especially n throwing situations

exactly. We may end up with a new qb room next season. There is no sense keeping Taylor around either.


Really? If Jones is gone, who do you see starting next year other than Taylor? And please be relatively specific, more so than "a draft choice or a FA"
Bill,  
ColHowPepper : 12/4/2022 5:58 pm : link
Homer and Jerry are standing frozen in the pocket...tick, tock (:
Jones was 14 of 15  
Dave on the UWS : 12/4/2022 6:31 pm : link
Did anyone notice for about 2 yards a completion (yes I’m exaggerating). They control his passing, heavily, and it HAS to be they do t trust him. Yeah, his receivers blow, but at some point you need to let him sink or swim. UNLESS, they’ve already decided on him and they are
Just trying to manage the season for the best chance of success. We
will know next month!
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