Different story if he doesn’t drop that. Or no taunting penalty. Or Richie James doesn’t get confused and run into Barkley. Lots of things. Washington tied the game, too.
the passing offense so limited because they don't trust Jones, or because of our subpar WRs and turnstile OL? It's probably a little of both. I would rank them as follows, from most to least worst:
OL (Interior).
WRs.
Jones.
But I still think the coaches have deliberately limited the passing offense at least partially because of deficiencies they see in Jones in that area. My guess is he'll want more than what the Giants are willing to pay, but let's see what happens the rest of the year.
I seriously have never heard of an offense that was scripted as limited because of the WRs. Never. And I have been watching football for 50 years. It's always the QB. And this is two regimes in a row that have handled Jones this way. Some folks refuse to accept reality.
Ron Rivera put the game in the hands of his UDFA QB and he delivered. Kafka and Daboll wouldn’t be caught dead doing the same with Jones. That’s all you need to know. Don’t want to hear about OLs or receivers, Jones is a starter for his legs only. He’s not adequate in any other area. Take the last play. MY desperately needed 5 more yards. He knew Washington would bring pressure, yet when he took the snap he had no clue and threw the ball away in desperation. Gano’s FG would have been good from 53. Seen all I have to and I bet they have too.
Throwing two deep balls on the final drive of regulation...one dropped...one at least illegal contact if not PI...wasn't putting the game in Jones hands? Interesting.
There wasn’t illegal contact on that play. If it was then they shouldn’t have picked up the flag near the goaline with Mclaurin
Ok, I'll concede the point. What about the drop the play before? And mybother point remains. He said they wouldn't put the ball in Jones hands to win the game. What say you?
the passing offense so limited because they don't trust Jones, or because of our subpar WRs and turnstile OL? It's probably a little of both. I would rank them as follows, from most to least worst:
OL (Interior).
WRs.
Jones.
But I still think the coaches have deliberately limited the passing offense at least partially because of deficiencies they see in Jones in that area. My guess is he'll want more than what the Giants are willing to pay, but let's see what happens the rest of the year.
I seriously have never heard of an offense that was scripted as limited because of the WRs. Never. And I have been watching football for 50 years. It's always the QB. And this is two regimes in a row that have handled Jones this way. Some folks refuse to accept reality.
If you watch the games you've already seen it this year. Chicago does the same thing....except they actually have better WRs than we do.
But he also made a great play to have what was our longest offensive play of the day.
We know what Slayton is, and he’s not the one up for a big contract.
That's the point. We know what Slayton is. A guy who barely hangs on to an NFL roster. Probably a little better than that. This is our BEST WR. When we needed to pass we went to him and we got drops.
A pretty good runner. An adequate game manager. Requires a very, very simplified offense to complete a bunch of short passes. If you design an offense around his weaknesses, he can keep you in games against mediocre teams.
Hes a running QB. He just looks and acts the way a lot of fans like their QBs to look and act so he has a fan club and an excuse factory.
Exactly. Take away his running, and he's a terrible starting QB. As it stands, he's average at best.
Had 4 opportunities and all the Giants need was a FG. 136 yards passing through 4 quarters is pathetic also! If this is our offense with DJ going forward, let him walk!
How about giving the OC some shit for a terrible start to the calls on four second half series in a row?
WRs, OLine, Barkley, the defense, and now the OC? At some point this has to stop. DJ is average and incapable of carrying an offense, even when defenses are scheming to stop Barkley.
It's like the people who die defending Jones don't care about scoring points...it's the same shit every week.
I thought DJ played well enough to win, the fumble was brutal. With this Oline he really played a solid game outside the fumble. I do feel either he is not taking any chances downfield or Daball is grounding him. Bottom line we can't continue to play a HS offense.
With the idea that Jones is who he is and that might not be enough to get us over the hump but to not acknowledge the cowardly play calling at the end of each half is beyond the pale
Either you want to evaluate the QB or not.
I'm sure you're a nice guy, appreciate you being a mod and a loyal Giants fan. But, you don't anything insightful. Glad you're done with Jones. You can relax now.
I'm sure you're a nice guy, appreciate you being a mod and a loyal Giants fan. But, you don't anything insightful. Glad you're done with Jones. You can relax now.
A pretty good runner. An adequate game manager. Requires a very, very simplified offense to complete a bunch of short passes. If you design an offense around his weaknesses, he can keep you in games against mediocre teams.
Hes a running QB. He just looks and acts the way a lot of fans like their QBs to look and act so he has a fan club and an excuse factory.
Exactly. Take away his running, and he's a terrible starting QB. As it stands, he's average at best.
Allen, Mahommes, Fields, Hurts- none of them would be the same if you took away their running. Or their receivers.
someone will explain to me how we can so confidently criticize an NFL QB as being "not what we need" when he's trying to run the offense with XFL WRs.
Because it's obviously not going to happen this year. The Anti-DJ contingent is clearly desperate. They went into this year assuming the team would struggle to win six games, and the decision to move on from Jones would be easy. Instead, he's not only made it a conversation, but to this point, on his own merits has all but ended it. All his haters can do now is flail and try to hammer every seeming mistake to make the opposing argument seem self-evident. But we see you.
I’m good with moving on. But creating a thread to proclaim your stance is about as pointless as it gets.
Let Jones test the market and see what happens. There’s a price for keeping him, but for me it’s more about the years. I’d love a 2 year deal which would allow us to draft someone high in either 2023 or 2024.
His supporting cast is shit including the so call All Pro RB at 3 yds a carry. If you are saying Jones needs to win this game than Barkley needs to do his part. And where was the $30m a year man on the DL when they ran straight through us. Most of you are clueless and obviously never played the game. Yea Archie Manning sucked as a QB. It had nothing to do with the players around him on the Saints. Saints couldn’t win games so it’s all on him. Just stupid.
With nothing. They're doing fine because Mahomes is gifted. He isn't the comparison. Herbert is worse this year because his receivers are always hurt. But he's still talented. If the talent is there it manifests itself. No one is unsure about Herbert's ability to be a franchise QB. It shows up in the process, not the results.
Felicianos dumb penalty(know your role), the 4th down to dotson, slayton a drop on the long ball(he’s good for one a game then hes useless) and the play calling all we’re more of a reason we tied than Daniel jones
Is doo doo without a replacement. I’m ok with moving on if their is someone better. If his recognition is an issue, that will be obvious to the coaching staff. It’s fairly obvious that we have the worst WR corp in the league. Our interior oline needs to be completely reworked.
Terps was on the Pickett/Willis train. I’d rather have Jones.
There weren’t great alternatives last year, and we have to have a path to a QB in the upcoming draft and free agency. We’ll see!
His supporting cast is shit including the so call All Pro RB at 3 yds a carry. If you are saying Jones needs to win this game than Barkley needs to do his part. And where was the $30m a year man on the DL when they ran straight through us. Most of you are clueless and obviously never played the game. Yea Archie Manning sucked as a QB. It had nothing to do with the players around him on the Saints. Saints couldn’t win games so it’s all on him. Just stupid.
Felicianos dumb penalty(know your role), the 4th down to dotson, slayton a drop on the long ball(he’s good for one a game then hes useless) and the play calling all we’re more of a reason we tied than Daniel jones
Really sucked, but the Giants failure to secure a win was not because of Daniel Jones’ play. The play calling in general and the Giants o-line** in particular are more at fault. Way more.
What are you gonna do? Throw mud at me. I AM MUD!
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That big pass?
I was going to say the same. :)
Different story if he doesn’t drop that. Or no taunting penalty. Or Richie James doesn’t get confused and run into Barkley. Lots of things. Washington tied the game, too.
Whys the fumble left out?
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James playing Kestone Kop. Jones fault.
Slaton dropping the deep ball. Jones fault.
Interior line turnstyling. Jones fault.
DEF giving up a 90 yard game tying TD drive in the closing minute. Jones fault.
How much are you willing to pay DJ, and for how long?
Without that, your excuses are tired.
Who is talking about future $$? This is about the game today and blaming him.
OL (Interior).
WRs.
Jones.
But I still think the coaches have deliberately limited the passing offense at least partially because of deficiencies they see in Jones in that area. My guess is he'll want more than what the Giants are willing to pay, but let's see what happens the rest of the year.
I seriously have never heard of an offense that was scripted as limited because of the WRs. Never. And I have been watching football for 50 years. It's always the QB. And this is two regimes in a row that have handled Jones this way. Some folks refuse to accept reality.
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Ron Rivera put the game in the hands of his UDFA QB and he delivered. Kafka and Daboll wouldn’t be caught dead doing the same with Jones. That’s all you need to know. Don’t want to hear about OLs or receivers, Jones is a starter for his legs only. He’s not adequate in any other area. Take the last play. MY desperately needed 5 more yards. He knew Washington would bring pressure, yet when he took the snap he had no clue and threw the ball away in desperation. Gano’s FG would have been good from 53. Seen all I have to and I bet they have too.
Throwing two deep balls on the final drive of regulation...one dropped...one at least illegal contact if not PI...wasn't putting the game in Jones hands? Interesting.
There wasn’t illegal contact on that play. If it was then they shouldn’t have picked up the flag near the goaline with Mclaurin
Ok, I'll concede the point. What about the drop the play before? And mybother point remains. He said they wouldn't put the ball in Jones hands to win the game. What say you?
If you can't evaluate a guy into his 4th season, you have your evaluation. He isn't the guy a lot of people want him to be.
If you are not happy here -- you can leave too
We know what Slayton is, and he’s not the one up for a big contract.
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the passing offense so limited because they don't trust Jones, or because of our subpar WRs and turnstile OL? It's probably a little of both. I would rank them as follows, from most to least worst:
OL (Interior).
WRs.
Jones.
But I still think the coaches have deliberately limited the passing offense at least partially because of deficiencies they see in Jones in that area. My guess is he'll want more than what the Giants are willing to pay, but let's see what happens the rest of the year.
I seriously have never heard of an offense that was scripted as limited because of the WRs. Never. And I have been watching football for 50 years. It's always the QB. And this is two regimes in a row that have handled Jones this way. Some folks refuse to accept reality.
If you watch the games you've already seen it this year. Chicago does the same thing....except they actually have better WRs than we do.
Yet you're here
We know what Slayton is, and he’s not the one up for a big contract.
That's the point. We know what Slayton is. A guy who barely hangs on to an NFL roster. Probably a little better than that. This is our BEST WR. When we needed to pass we went to him and we got drops.
Hes a running QB. He just looks and acts the way a lot of fans like their QBs to look and act so he has a fan club and an excuse factory.
Exactly. Take away his running, and he's a terrible starting QB. As it stands, he's average at best.
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I learned a lot.
Yet you're here
I’m trying to learn something, so far, no luck, just dumb posts.
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James playing Kestone Kop. Jones fault.
Slaton dropping the deep ball. Jones fault.
Interior line turnstyling. Jones fault.
DEF giving up a 90 yard game tying TD drive in the closing minute. Jones fault.
How much are you willing to pay DJ, and for how long?
Without that, your excuses are tired.
I'm on record...2 years, 25 to 30 mil bridge deal
And why's he taking that deal?
If he's as good as everyone who wants to keep him thinks he is, he's getting a better offer than that.
If that's the best offer he receives then he's not that good and JS should look to move on
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James playing Kestone Kop. Jones fault.
Slaton dropping the deep ball. Jones fault.
Interior line turnstyling. Jones fault.
DEF giving up a 90 yard game tying TD drive in the closing minute. Jones fault.
How much are you willing to pay DJ, and for how long?
Without that, your excuses are tired.
I'm on record...2 years, 25 to 30 mil bridge deal
And why's he taking that deal?
If he's as good as everyone who wants to keep him thinks he is, he's getting a better offer than that.
If that's the best offer he receives then he's not that good and JS should look to move on
No argument here. I don't think he can get more than that, and I dont believe there is an alternative better than him right now. Just my opinion.
No argument here. I don't think he can get more than that, and I dont believe there is an alternative better than him right now. Just my opinion.
unfortunately this may be true -- but I really hope this FO can figure out a way to bring a better QB on board
I don't want him on the Giants - we need a real QB
So who do you think we're be able to gonna get? I read Jimmy G may have had a knee today, what would take him off the table
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Had 4 opportunities and all the Giants need was a FG. 136 yards passing through 4 quarters is pathetic also! If this is our offense with DJ going forward, let him walk!
How about giving the OC some shit for a terrible start to the calls on four second half series in a row?
WRs, OLine, Barkley, the defense, and now the OC? At some point this has to stop. DJ is average and incapable of carrying an offense, even when defenses are scheming to stop Barkley.
It's like the people who die defending Jones don't care about scoring points...it's the same shit every week.
It fell off track back in July and August.
I see it the same way. I would love to know if Jones comes up short in making adjustments at the LOS to get to a better play and/or better protection.
It seems to me he has limitations in that department.
Either you want to evaluate the QB or not.
Lol.
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A pretty good runner. An adequate game manager. Requires a very, very simplified offense to complete a bunch of short passes. If you design an offense around his weaknesses, he can keep you in games against mediocre teams.
Hes a running QB. He just looks and acts the way a lot of fans like their QBs to look and act so he has a fan club and an excuse factory.
Exactly. Take away his running, and he's a terrible starting QB. As it stands, he's average at best.
Allen, Mahommes, Fields, Hurts- none of them would be the same if you took away their running. Or their receivers.
Because it's obviously not going to happen this year. The Anti-DJ contingent is clearly desperate. They went into this year assuming the team would struggle to win six games, and the decision to move on from Jones would be easy. Instead, he's not only made it a conversation, but to this point, on his own merits has all but ended it. All his haters can do now is flail and try to hammer every seeming mistake to make the opposing argument seem self-evident. But we see you.
I would re-sign him to a low-medium contract, and keep an eye out for a replacement.
That said, the play calling didn't do him any favors. Color me not impressed with Kafka.
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I learned a lot.
Yet you're here
I’m trying to learn something, so far, no luck, just dumb posts.
You're in the wrong place if you want to learn something. That's on you.
I’m good with moving on. But creating a thread to proclaim your stance is about as pointless as it gets.
Let Jones test the market and see what happens. There’s a price for keeping him, but for me it’s more about the years. I’d love a 2 year deal which would allow us to draft someone high in either 2023 or 2024.
That's what I'm wondering
I'm sorry but today the o line was bad today tons of pressure up the middle and Barkley was hit multiple times in the backfield.
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Other than the 1st Dallas game, they look like a normal NFL OL. Jones gets pressured sometimes- so does every other QB
I'm sorry but today the o line was bad today tons of pressure up the middle and Barkley was hit multiple times in the backfield.
Exactly. I thought their early pass protection issues made them WAY too conservative.
Terps was on the Pickett/Willis train. I’d rather have Jones.
There weren’t great alternatives last year, and we have to have a path to a QB in the upcoming draft and free agency. We’ll see!
Putting this tie on Jones is a head scratcher.
All pro?
True. That was so fucking idiotic.
Really sucked, but the Giants failure to secure a win was not because of Daniel Jones’ play. The play calling in general and the Giants o-line** in particular are more at fault. Way more.
**can no longer run block