But this game is a testament to why paying him big money would be a mistake. Bad skill position players, terrible game plan in the second half, but he did NOTHING to elevate the team. The game was so winnable. I’m okay if they retain him on a team friendly, short deal and see what he can do with some good players around him. But paying him $25 million + is lunacy
Because the Giants didn’T kick in a few $$$ more and the Giants can’t find a more competent game manager in the draft or free agency in 2022, 90% of you will complain about how Schoen mishandled Jones. Then, when the same thing happens in 2023, the whining will become intolerable.
Wash is not all that good. Even if the taunting penalty had not been called, or if Slayton had caught that late deep ball, and the NYG had won, I would not have been very impressed with his performance. IMHO it's a 1 year bridge deal and then moving on from him in 2024 or it's adios to DJ in 2023. Either way, he will not be missed.
I don't think that the kinda-loss (non-win?) can be hung on any one facet, I think it is a full on team problem. I do think they could have kicked a field goal before the bonehead Feliciano penalty (I don't care who may have been directing it to, it still looked like he walked toward WAS players so I am not at all surprised he was called for it). But we will never know. I think the play calling was terrible, especially at the end of the halves, I think there was a great deal of poor play by a lot of players. I do think the D probably helped keep the Giants more in the game than they would have been, especially given how much they were on the field. There is a great deal of blame all around. I don't think Jones is the QB of the Giant's future (but not because of this game, I've never been sold on him) and I would not be surprised if they let SB leave. I am looking forward to seeing what JS does with the draft. While I wasn't happy with the play callng this game, I am certainly not ready to move on from this coaching staff. I would like to see more. I did not expect the Giants to have 7 wins over the entire season so, while disappointed by this game, I'm not shocked either. I'll be interested to see what adjustments they make against Philly.
He’s seemingly a good guy, hard worker and has some skill, however he still does no have that innate ability of the Franchise QBs, when game is on the line. Eli was cool as a cucumber and made plays when he had to. I have no confidence in Jones either. He’s on par with Dave Brown, Danny Kanell IMO.
Heinicke looked better than Jones.
Robinson looked better than Barkley.
I don’t agree on Jones today. Jones stepped up big time after the fumble. And Slayton dropped yet another pass in a big spot, which likely leads to clock run off and a FG to win the game.
I’m sorry, but how did Jones step up? He threw for 200 yards (136 through 3 qtrs) and 55 of those were on a heave where Slayton made a nice adjustment to find it. He got us a TD in the second half when the defense set him up on the 20 and he hit a WR who created a ton of separation. Then the offense was a 3 and out machine the rest of the game.
I swear if Jones doesn’t literally shit himself some of you guys think it is a good day. If Zack Wilson played this game, you would all be laughing at how awful he is.
Wash is not all that good. Even if the taunting penalty had not been called, or if Slayton had caught that late deep ball, and the NYG had won, I would not have been very impressed with his performance. IMHO it's a 1 year bridge deal and then moving on from him in 2024 or it's adios to DJ in 2023. Either way, he will not be missed.
The taunting penalty literally caused the team to not win.
With respect to Barkley, I agree. Concerning Jones, who is out there either as FA or can be acquired via trade or through the draft that is a major upgrade without decimating draft capital?
He’s seemingly a good guy, hard worker and has some skill, however he still does no have that innate ability of the Franchise QBs, when game is on the line. Eli was cool as a cucumber and made plays when he had to. I have no confidence in Jones either. He’s on par with Dave Brown, Danny Kanell IMO.
He's better than Brown and Kanell. I'd say he's at the Collins level.
That we are probably better off letting Jones AND Barkley walk.
What’s scary is that Jones played a smart, largely mistake free game. It was a good outing for him. And we couldn’t score points. 13 + a TD from a strip sack deep in WFT territory. Meanwhile, Jones was completing virtually every pass for much of the game. Where are the points?
For those of us knocking our WRs, Slayton made an excellent play on that long reception. And that slant to Sills in the 2nd half had the receiver reaching back to snag the ball.
Let’s not pretend the WRs weren’t helping Jones at times. They were.
Jones had a pretty good first half, specifically the second quarter. And then we got the early third quarter turnover and Jones had an easy throw to Hodgins, who ran an outstanding route.
After that? Jones was the Jones we have come to expect - ordinary. His QBR was 31.
BTW, that 4th down throw on 4th and 4 by Heinicke late in the game to Samuel was a tremendous play. That was the game...
But haven’t rewatched the game. Anyone have more informed comments about Neal?
Next to Feliciano and Glowinski, he looked like the 2nd coming of Leon Searcy... lol. Although to be fair a lot of our blocking problems today were also on the TEs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Giants need to move on from Jones and Barkley
Heinicke looked better than Jones.
Robinson looked better than Barkley.
I don’t agree on Jones today. Jones stepped up big time after the fumble. And Slayton dropped yet another pass in a big spot, which likely leads to clock run off and a FG to win the game.
I’m sorry, but how did Jones step up? He threw for 200 yards (136 through 3 qtrs) and 55 of those were on a heave where Slayton made a nice adjustment to find it. He got us a TD in the second half when the defense set him up on the 20 and he hit a WR who created a ton of separation. Then the offense was a 3 and out machine the rest of the game.
I swear if Jones doesn’t literally shit himself some of you guys think it is a good day. If Zack Wilson played this game, you would all be laughing at how awful he is.
You should apologize for not including his rushing yards, and the first downs he gained on the ground. I never said he had a great day, I said he was better than Heinicke. If Zack Wilson played he would have lost us the game, not sure why you even brought him up.
If you don’t see the difference between what throwing to Slayton who drops game winners and an actual legit WR like McLaurin does for a QB than I don’t l know what else to say on this topic. And I’ll repeat again for the 100th time, I’m good moving on from Jones, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s awful like half these posts are suggesting.
People seem to think there are are franchise type guys hanging around. Also we aren't drafting low enough to guarantee a top QB. We may get someone, but hes not going to be a guy we automatically commit too. So that leaves us with what about next year. We will end up signing a QB who is very Jones-like. A middle of the road, game manager type guy. I mean would you really rather have Jimmy G, Geno, Baker, or Dalton over Jones? At worst case you'd call it a draw with Jimmy G or Geno. So I think it will come down to $$, which of these guys who are all about the same can they get. Not one of them is the future, that will need to come from the draft at some point or a big $$ FA at some point. The obvious benefit for Jones is he knows the team, players, and offense.
The only other option is to throw huge money at Lamar, but I'm not sure I like that either. We need a lot of players at Guard, WR, ILB and CB, and we can't be hamstrung by his big contract.
I don't think its likely Jones gets big money, but I think he tests the market. However I think any team he is talking too will do the same analysis above, and come to the same conclusion that he isn't worth more than those guys
infinitely better than Slayton, he was being covered by JAGs (and that’s being nice). Heinicke made a really good throw at the end of the game be he also missed a bunch, ones that many here would dog Jones for.
His supporting cast is shit including the so call All Pro RB at 3 yds a carry. If you are saying Jones needs to win this game than Barkley needs to do his part. And where was the $30m a year man on the DL when they ran straight through us. Most of you are clueless and obviously never played the game. Yea Archie Manning sucked as a QB. It had nothing to do with the players around him on the Saints. Saints couldn’t win games so it’s all on him. Just stupid.
All pro?
80% completions not including spikes, 200yds, leading rusher 70+ yards, 0 int, 1 fumble. Playing with that OL, WR and Barkley producing shit, I would consider that #1 stud on the team. There were plenty of duds.
People seem to think there are are franchise type guys hanging around. Also we aren't drafting low enough to guarantee a top QB. We may get someone, but hes not going to be a guy we automatically commit too. So that leaves us with what about next year. We will end up signing a QB who is very Jones-like. A middle of the road, game manager type guy. I mean would you really rather have Jimmy G, Geno, Baker, or Dalton over Jones? At worst case you'd call it a draw with Jimmy G or Geno. So I think it will come down to $$, which of these guys who are all about the same can they get. Not one of them is the future, that will need to come from the draft at some point or a big $$ FA at some point. The obvious benefit for Jones is he knows the team, players, and offense.
The only other option is to throw huge money at Lamar, but I'm not sure I like that either. We need a lot of players at Guard, WR, ILB and CB, and we can't be hamstrung by his big contract.
I don't think its likely Jones gets big money, but I think he tests the market. However I think any team he is talking too will do the same analysis above, and come to the same conclusion that he isn't worth more than those guys
... we had McLaurin and the Commanders offensive line.
Apparently every other roster but the Giants is loaded. Been hearing this for 4 years.
Sean, go through the skill position corps of every other NFC East team and compare them to the Giants. Which one do you rate below the Giants?
Every other team in the Giants division has 3 WRs, minimum, that we would take over the Giants' players. TE? Wash is probably the "worst" with Logan Thomas, and he's pretty damn good. RB? Yup, the Giants have Barkley....after that?
The Giants are in a rebuild and the skill players are #1 on the offensive shopping list.
People seem to think there are are franchise type guys hanging around. Also we aren't drafting low enough to guarantee a top QB. We may get someone, but hes not going to be a guy we automatically commit too. So that leaves us with what about next year. We will end up signing a QB who is very Jones-like. A middle of the road, game manager type guy. I mean would you really rather have Jimmy G, Geno, Baker, or Dalton over Jones? At worst case you'd call it a draw with Jimmy G or Geno. So I think it will come down to $$, which of these guys who are all about the same can they get. Not one of them is the future, that will need to come from the draft at some point or a big $$ FA at some point. The obvious benefit for Jones is he knows the team, players, and offense.
The only other option is to throw huge money at Lamar, but I'm not sure I like that either. We need a lot of players at Guard, WR, ILB and CB, and we can't be hamstrung by his big contract.
I don't think its likely Jones gets big money, but I think he tests the market. However I think any team he is talking too will do the same analysis above, and come to the same conclusion that he isn't worth more than those guys
It's not even between Daniel Jones and Jimmy G. Cmon
Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
Don't bother. Our No. 1 receiver right now is a guy who this staff couldn't wait to get rid of. Forced to take a pay cut, and even with that was buried in the depth chart. Think about that. He is now WR1. WR2 is a guy we picked up a few weeks ago off waivers. How is it possible DJ isn't lighting it up with this group. Anyone who cannot acknowledge the obvious fact that tis is a woefully deficient group that handcuffs eyerything in this offense has an agenda.
And that's without discussing the mediocre to bad pass blocking of the interior of the OL.
RE: RE: This was THE game for Jones to prove himself.
Wash is not all that good. Even if the taunting penalty had not been called, or if Slayton had caught that late deep ball, and the NYG had won, I would not have been very impressed with his performance. IMHO it's a 1 year bridge deal and then moving on from him in 2024 or it's adios to DJ in 2023. Either way, he will not be missed.
The taunting penalty literally caused the team to not win.
Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
I’d ask if you thought this team would look the same with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but I know the answer for some of you because you will believe Jones is elite no matter how much film is put in front of you.
Exactly.
Apparently every other roster but the Giants is loaded. Been hearing this for 4 years.
I don't want him on the Giants - we need a real QB
He's never gonna take the Giants to the promised land
Before you flush him you better know damn well what the alternative is.
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They can't get it done.
You can't pay them big money to not get it done.
Heinicke looked better than Jones.
Robinson looked better than Barkley.
I don’t agree on Jones today. Jones stepped up big time after the fumble. And Slayton dropped yet another pass in a big spot, which likely leads to clock run off and a FG to win the game.
I’m sorry, but how did Jones step up? He threw for 200 yards (136 through 3 qtrs) and 55 of those were on a heave where Slayton made a nice adjustment to find it. He got us a TD in the second half when the defense set him up on the 20 and he hit a WR who created a ton of separation. Then the offense was a 3 and out machine the rest of the game.
I swear if Jones doesn’t literally shit himself some of you guys think it is a good day. If Zack Wilson played this game, you would all be laughing at how awful he is.
The taunting penalty literally caused the team to not win.
Why is this concept difficult to comprehend?
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... we had McLaurin and the Commanders offensive line.
Apparently every other roster but the Giants is loaded. Been hearing this for 4 years.
No offense, but only a fucking imbecile thinks that having a player like Terry McLaurin is inconsequential.
You can't pay them big money to not get it done.
With respect to Barkley, I agree. Concerning Jones, who is out there either as FA or can be acquired via trade or through the draft that is a major upgrade without decimating draft capital?
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... we had McLaurin and the Commanders offensive line.
Apparently every other roster but the Giants is loaded. Been hearing this for 4 years.
If you didn't see the consistent difference in line play for Wash vs us, then you are fucking blind.
He's better than Brown and Kanell. I'd say he's at the Collins level.
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That we are probably better off letting Jones AND Barkley walk.
What’s scary is that Jones played a smart, largely mistake free game. It was a good outing for him. And we couldn’t score points. 13 + a TD from a strip sack deep in WFT territory. Meanwhile, Jones was completing virtually every pass for much of the game. Where are the points?
For those of us knocking our WRs, Slayton made an excellent play on that long reception. And that slant to Sills in the 2nd half had the receiver reaching back to snag the ball.
Let’s not pretend the WRs weren’t helping Jones at times. They were.
Jones had a pretty good first half, specifically the second quarter. And then we got the early third quarter turnover and Jones had an easy throw to Hodgins, who ran an outstanding route.
After that? Jones was the Jones we have come to expect - ordinary. His QBR was 31.
BTW, that 4th down throw on 4th and 4 by Heinicke late in the game to Samuel was a tremendous play. That was the game...
Next to Feliciano and Glowinski, he looked like the 2nd coming of Leon Searcy... lol. Although to be fair a lot of our blocking problems today were also on the TEs.
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They can't get it done.
You can't pay them big money to not get it done.
Heinicke looked better than Jones.
Robinson looked better than Barkley.
I don’t agree on Jones today. Jones stepped up big time after the fumble. And Slayton dropped yet another pass in a big spot, which likely leads to clock run off and a FG to win the game.
I’m sorry, but how did Jones step up? He threw for 200 yards (136 through 3 qtrs) and 55 of those were on a heave where Slayton made a nice adjustment to find it. He got us a TD in the second half when the defense set him up on the 20 and he hit a WR who created a ton of separation. Then the offense was a 3 and out machine the rest of the game.
I swear if Jones doesn’t literally shit himself some of you guys think it is a good day. If Zack Wilson played this game, you would all be laughing at how awful he is.
You should apologize for not including his rushing yards, and the first downs he gained on the ground. I never said he had a great day, I said he was better than Heinicke. If Zack Wilson played he would have lost us the game, not sure why you even brought him up.
If you don’t see the difference between what throwing to Slayton who drops game winners and an actual legit WR like McLaurin does for a QB than I don’t l know what else to say on this topic. And I’ll repeat again for the 100th time, I’m good moving on from Jones, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s awful like half these posts are suggesting.
The only other option is to throw huge money at Lamar, but I'm not sure I like that either. We need a lot of players at Guard, WR, ILB and CB, and we can't be hamstrung by his big contract.
I don't think its likely Jones gets big money, but I think he tests the market. However I think any team he is talking too will do the same analysis above, and come to the same conclusion that he isn't worth more than those guys
I was actually wondering if Jones could make that play, too. I just don't see, however, especially moving left.
Have to give Heinicke credit. That was a great play in the clutch...
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Imagine if Jones made a play like that on the 4th & 4. The Jones fan club would throw a parade. And that’s Heinicke.
I was actually wondering if Jones could make that play, too. I just don't see, however, especially moving left.
Have to give Heinicke credit. That was a great play in the clutch...
Yeah Heinicke is better than Jones. L O fucking L.
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Imagine if Jones made a play like that on the 4th & 4. The Jones fan club would throw a parade. And that’s Heinicke.
I was actually wondering if Jones could make that play, too. I just don't see, however, especially moving left.
Have to give Heinicke credit. That was a great play in the clutch...
Yeah Heinicke is better than Jones. L O fucking L.
I don't think Heinicke is better than Jones -- but the problem is that I don't think Jones is better than Heinicke
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His supporting cast is shit including the so call All Pro RB at 3 yds a carry. If you are saying Jones needs to win this game than Barkley needs to do his part. And where was the $30m a year man on the DL when they ran straight through us. Most of you are clueless and obviously never played the game. Yea Archie Manning sucked as a QB. It had nothing to do with the players around him on the Saints. Saints couldn’t win games so it’s all on him. Just stupid.
All pro?
80% completions not including spikes, 200yds, leading rusher 70+ yards, 0 int, 1 fumble. Playing with that OL, WR and Barkley producing shit, I would consider that #1 stud on the team. There were plenty of duds.
Jones wasn’t bad today, he was ok. But all pro?
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Imagine if Jones made a play like that on the 4th & 4. The Jones fan club would throw a parade. And that’s Heinicke.
I was actually wondering if Jones could make that play, too. I just don't see, however, especially moving left.
Have to give Heinicke credit. That was a great play in the clutch...
Yeah Heinicke is better than Jones. L O fucking L.
I didn't say that but keep squirting lemon juice on your screen hoping to find some hidden meaning.
The only other option is to throw huge money at Lamar, but I'm not sure I like that either. We need a lot of players at Guard, WR, ILB and CB, and we can't be hamstrung by his big contract.
I don't think its likely Jones gets big money, but I think he tests the market. However I think any team he is talking too will do the same analysis above, and come to the same conclusion that he isn't worth more than those guys
Isn't Lamar injured?
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Imagine if Jones made a play like that on the 4th & 4. The Jones fan club would throw a parade. And that’s Heinicke.
I was actually wondering if Jones could make that play, too. I just don't see, however, especially moving left.
Have to give Heinicke credit. That was a great play in the clutch...
Yeah Heinicke is better than Jones. L O fucking L.
I don't think Heinicke is better than Jones -- but the problem is that I don't think Jones is better than Heinicke
That's funny. Thanks for the laugh
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
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... we had McLaurin and the Commanders offensive line.
Apparently every other roster but the Giants is loaded. Been hearing this for 4 years.
Sean, go through the skill position corps of every other NFC East team and compare them to the Giants. Which one do you rate below the Giants?
Every other team in the Giants division has 3 WRs, minimum, that we would take over the Giants' players. TE? Wash is probably the "worst" with Logan Thomas, and he's pretty damn good. RB? Yup, the Giants have Barkley....after that?
The Giants are in a rebuild and the skill players are #1 on the offensive shopping list.
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Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
I’m not willing to commit long term on the hypothetical that Jones can be a Super Bowl caliber QB with better receivers
The only other option is to throw huge money at Lamar, but I'm not sure I like that either. We need a lot of players at Guard, WR, ILB and CB, and we can't be hamstrung by his big contract.
I don't think its likely Jones gets big money, but I think he tests the market. However I think any team he is talking too will do the same analysis above, and come to the same conclusion that he isn't worth more than those guys
It's not even between Daniel Jones and Jimmy G. Cmon
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Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
Don't bother. Our No. 1 receiver right now is a guy who this staff couldn't wait to get rid of. Forced to take a pay cut, and even with that was buried in the depth chart. Think about that. He is now WR1. WR2 is a guy we picked up a few weeks ago off waivers. How is it possible DJ isn't lighting it up with this group. Anyone who cannot acknowledge the obvious fact that tis is a woefully deficient group that handcuffs eyerything in this offense has an agenda.
And that's without discussing the mediocre to bad pass blocking of the interior of the OL.
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Wash is not all that good. Even if the taunting penalty had not been called, or if Slayton had caught that late deep ball, and the NYG had won, I would not have been very impressed with his performance. IMHO it's a 1 year bridge deal and then moving on from him in 2024 or it's adios to DJ in 2023. Either way, he will not be missed.
The taunting penalty literally caused the team to not win.
Why is this concept difficult to comprehend?
Idiocy???
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
I am having a hard time remembering too many people in this forum who actually said they wanted the Giants to keep Jones around long term.
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Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
I’d ask if you thought this team would look the same with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but I know the answer for some of you because you will believe Jones is elite no matter how much film is put in front of you.
It’s rather fascinating.
Oh get off your our high horse and stop being a cunt. It’s his opinion. Deal with.