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Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
I’d ask if you thought this team would look the same with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but I know the answer for some of you because you will believe Jones is elite no matter how much film is put in front of you. [/quote
Doesn’t matter what any of us think about Jones, we won’t be influithe decision Giants make about him.
I sometimes get the impression the Jones critics hold us responsible for Giants losses
RE: RE: RE: Cosmic I think you bring up a great point
I’d ask if you thought this team would look the same with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but I know the answer for some of you because you will believe Jones is elite no matter how much film is put in front of you.
The problem with your point is that if QB talent was all that mattered, why did the Bengals use a top 10 pick on Jamarr Chase when they already had 2 talented receivers? Why did the Bills trade a first round pick for Stefon Diggs? Josh Allen didn’t throw for 300 yards once during his first two years in the league. In fact Josh Allen averaged almost exactly the same amount of passing yards the year before BUF got Diggs that Daniel Jones is averaging this season.
People are allowed to think Daniel Jones isn’t good enough. And he’s certainly not as talented as Allen and Burrow. But the idea that he’s (or any other QB if they were placed in this situation) in no way affected by the dearth of talent at the wide receiver position is just idiotic.
His supporting cast is shit including the so call All Pro RB at 3 yds a carry. If you are saying Jones needs to win this game than Barkley needs to do his part. And where was the $30m a year man on the DL when they ran straight through us. Most of you are clueless and obviously never played the game. Yea Archie Manning sucked as a QB. It had nothing to do with the players around him on the Saints. Saints couldn’t win games so it’s all on him. Just stupid.
All pro?
80% completions not including spikes, 200yds, leading rusher 70+ yards, 0 int, 1 fumble. Playing with that OL, WR and Barkley producing shit, I would consider that #1 stud on the team. There were plenty of duds.
I can't believe people are actually using the completion percentage as evidence that Jones played a good game. He barely threw the ball downfield at all. How many yards did all those completions amount to? Take away the prayer he threw up to Slayton for 50 or 60 yards (and it wasn't a great throw by any means, rather it was a nice adjustment by Slayton) and he did squat through the air today.
25/31 for 200 yards a TD, 71 rushing yards, and a fumble.
It's not a bad game. It's not a great game either. Sucks that Slayton couldn't bring that one in to improve that statline. Also sucks DJ couldn't hold onto the ball to improve that statline.
I really wonder what kind of contract DJ gets and from who next year.
RE: Where would you rank Jones among Giants quarterbacks since 1980?
I would rank him after Eli and Simms and ahead of Collins. I don’t think the difference between Simms and Jones is that different.
You didn't get to see these guys live, then. I watched them play during their eras.
Jones isn't in the same class as Eli, Simms, Collins,the Winner of SB 25, Jeff Hostetler (who you didn't mention) AND Superbowl/MVP winner Kurt Warner! Simms was MILES ahead of Jones, and other than Bavaro, had worst WR's than Jones has! (Slayton, believe it or not, would be a #1 on the 1986 team that won a SB).
And you obviously didn't see Collins live (I watched him plenty at Albany Camp). Collins had the best arm of any Giants QB, he had a laser. Put him in Dabol's offense, and he'd be unstoppable.
Collins only problem was not being able to audible, and being hampered by Jim Fassel loosing his nut sack when he game planned against the Ravens in the 2000 SB (he totally gave up on the run). Jones simply isn't anywhere near as good as Kerry at this point. Look at what Kerry could do against the Vikings in the 2000 NFC Championship game (I was there!) Giants 41, Vikings ZERO!!
I put Jones in the Brunner, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham, Dave Brown group. He's Alex Smith lite...put a great team around him, and you can get to the playoffs, but you won't sniff a Super Bowl.
Like Alex Smith, we may need to have him around a year or two, considering how many holes there still are at WR, LB, etc. I doubt the team has enough firepower to move up in the draft, and you wouldn't want to draft a QB without the help he needs.
We're probably still three years away from being a serious contender (Replacing Jones/Barkley and developing a rookie qb). Let's NOT fall into the Denver trap (Russell Wilson), by going after an older QB.
lot of the passes Jones completes are dump offs or quick hitters. That is of course a function of our limited WRs and the inability of our interior OL to protect him, but it may make his stat line a little misleading. But I do agree that overall, his day was good. With all the running he does, a few fumbles throughout the course of the season are to be expected.
Jones can move though when he runs. Still has not demonstrated an ability to lead the offense with his arm consistently, or lead the big late game drive throwing the ball. Would be a mistake to make a major commitment long term after this season.
RE: RE: RE: Cosmic I think you bring up a great point
Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
Don't bother. Our No. 1 receiver right now is a guy who this staff couldn't wait to get rid of. Forced to take a pay cut, and even with that was buried in the depth chart. Think about that. He is now WR1. WR2 is a guy we picked up a few weeks ago off waivers. How is it possible DJ isn't lighting it up with this group. Anyone who cannot acknowledge the obvious fact that tis is a woefully deficient group that handcuffs eyerything in this offense has an agenda.
And that's without discussing the mediocre to bad pass blocking of the interior of the OL.
Yeah, uh, but he’s gotta suck it up and make plays.
Including Kerry Collins at Albany camp , which I attended many times. As I said, when the going was easy, Collins was amazing. Tough times, his confidence was so fragile, you could literally watch him choke the game away.
Don’t think as highly of Hoss as you do, although he had great games against the Bears and Bills to get us a Super Bowl. After defense coordinators figured out his weaknesses, he never delivered the same level performances.
Would be extending Daniel Jones for big money. It's the one thing that we could do that would destroy the rebuild before it starts. Given Maras affinity for Jones, it's been a major concern.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
We only have 4 comeback wins this year - I'm guessing that was in spite of Jones because the staff CLEARLY doesn't trust him with the game on the line.
Then again, it wasn't too long ago we were regaled by these same bozos about how Jones has never been good at any level of play extending back to youth football.
I just wonder what motivates these takes, said with such confidence.
Would be extending Daniel Jones for big money. It's the one thing that we could do that would destroy the rebuild before it starts. Given Maras affinity for Jones, it's been a major concern.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
If anything this game should make them realize they need to put more faith in Jones. Running with Barkley in the second half killed this offense. If Slayton holds on to the pass he drops, this story ends differently.
I don't know how we have no intermediate passing game. Every throw felt within three yards of the LOS or 20 plus yards down field. I'm sure I'm exaggerating but it's frustrating not to be able to get 8-15 yards passing.
Because those are the hardest throws. The offense is designed for extremely short throws to targets right in front of Jones and the occasional go ball, which also requires zero decion making.
When we were down 10-0 what did we do? Our bread and butter - bootleg, Jones throws 3 yards in the air to someone right in front of him.
There is no NFL offense that asks less from their QB in the passing game than the Giants.
This is a good point. Jones had a throw 15 yards down the field or so late in the game where defenders were draped over the receiver. Almost led to a pick.
Would be extending Daniel Jones for big money. It's the one thing that we could do that would destroy the rebuild before it starts. Given Maras affinity for Jones, it's been a major concern.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
Last week was more frustrating than this one to me - down big to a superior team is the time to take risk and let it rip. I actually thought last week was poor coaching. Running the ball down two scores with five minutes left was a little silly IMO.
At some point the Giants have to be able to score 24 points
Would be extending Daniel Jones for big money. It's the one thing that we could do that would destroy the rebuild before it starts. Given Maras affinity for Jones, it's been a major concern.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
If anything this game should make them realize they need to put more faith in Jones. Running with Barkley in the second half killed this offense. If Slayton holds on to the pass he drops, this story ends differently.
This is three coaching staffs in a row that have gone absurdly conservative in what they ask Jones to do.
And according to Sy it was a poor throw and bad jump. That was not a Slayton drop (as all but a few will admit).
The fact you even tried to reference that he wasn't good in high school should be cause for embarrassment.
Instead, you seem to think you had a fucking point. You want to relive your stupidity?? Have at it, Ace.
I said he was never good at any level. Usually when adults are talking that means high school or college. It's generally assumed that anybody playing professional sports was good in high school or younger. Feel free to go look it up but try not to alter my post when you do it.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
It hurts us equally. If we don’t beat Washington in two weeks, we lose an 8-8-1 tie breaker to Washington. There’s also a realistic chance the Lions could get to 9-8 the way they’re playing and their schedule.
RE: BBI overreacts like a spoiled kid high on sugar having his lolly taken
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
RE: RE: BBI overreacts like a spoiled kid high on sugar having his lolly taken
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
He threw a strike to Slayton and he dropped it?
RE: RE: BBI overreacts like a spoiled kid high on sugar having his lolly taken
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
Well on the first GW chance, he threw a 40 yard rope and his number 1 WR dropped it.
On his third GW chance, he’s on the Washington side of the field with a mailable 3rd and 2, and his halfback and receiver bump into each other screwing up the play like it’s pee wee ball.
If Slayton catches that ball OR we make a first down on that 3rd and 2, does Gidie even make this post?
I have no idea if Jones is the guy going forward. More than likely, he’s the bridge guy to the next guy. But let’s not act like his supporting cast isn’t Barkley, a number 3 guy in Slayton, and practice squad filler.
RE: RE: RE: BBI overreacts like a spoiled kid high on sugar having his lolly taken
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
Well on the first GW chance, he threw a 40 yard rope and his number 1 WR dropped it.
On his third GW chance, he’s on the Washington side of the field with a mailable 3rd and 2, and his halfback and receiver bump into each other screwing up the play like it’s pee wee ball.
If Slayton catches that ball OR we make a first down on that 3rd and 2, does Gidie even make this post?
I have no idea if Jones is the guy going forward. More than likely, he’s the bridge guy to the next guy. But let’s not act like his supporting cast isn’t Barkley, a number 3 guy in Slayton, and practice squad filler.
There is no real evidence that they intend to attempt to keep him this offseason. From not even trying to discuss a contract with him, to the way they plan the game.
It's clear they don't trust him. They do not put the game in his hands and are extremely conservative in what they ask him to do.
One can take that however they see fit, but to me none of that equals the slightest bit of evidence they intend a long-term relationship with the player.
Doesn’t drop that pick on the drive we took the deep shots are you still making that post?
We can do what ifs for dozens of plays each game. The Giants are a handful of what ifs from being 5-7.
So if Jones checks down there, people like you chastise him for not taking chances. On a 3rd and 10 that should have never happened since Slayton dropped the long pass and was arguably interfered with on 2nd down, he tries to get aggressive, and fit one in, and the defender almost makes a diving play, and that’s on him?
I really kinda hope we move on from Jones, and he signs with San Fran or the Raiders, just to see what happens. I literally don’t think a portion of this fan base will ever accept him since he was probably overdrafted.
But Giants fans have also been weird with quarterbacks. We started saying “Eli will be fine” because half the fan base was ready to move on from him in November 2007. I know Simms was pretty much considered a China doll bust from about 1980 until 1984. And on we go.
Some Giants' fans hate him and some fans love him. The bottom line is this: he is playing behind an offensive line that needs 3 new interior starters, he has no NFL caliber TE to throw to (although Bellinger could be a possible #2) and he needs 2-3 NFL-caliber WR's who are not on the team yet. Despite having no protection and no weapons, half the people here berate him as a QB and want him gone ? He might not be the QB for the Giants going forward but how could you decide now ?
Give him some protection and some weapons, then see. Also, I would not resign Barkley. Use the money for OL and WR's, then you can sign a few lesser backs. NFL is a passing league and you don't need a franchise RB anymore. If Jones would accept a one-year deal, and the Giants commit to upgrading the OL and WR's, we might find out if Jones deserves a new lengthy contract. You can't simply decide to replace him since the new QB would have to deal with the same lack of protection and weapons. I have confidence in our new GM but it will take at least another two off seasons to upgrade the positions where we are lacking talent. If Jones went to a team like the 49ers, people would talk about him in a completely different way as he would be surrounded by a lot more talent. Jones is smart, hard-working, mobile, and has a good arm. Pretty good traits to start with in a starting QB.
What ifs are meaningless. If Slayton catches that ball or they convert the 3rd and 2 you have no idea what happens on the next play, it’s the fallacy of the pre determined outcome. What if the next play was a turnover?
We can only grade on the plays that actually happened
We only have 4 comeback wins this year - I'm guessing that was in spite of Jones because the staff CLEARLY doesn't trust him with the game on the line.
Then again, it wasn't too long ago we were regaled by these same bozos about how Jones has never been good at any level of play extending back to youth football.
I just wonder what motivates these takes, said with such confidence.
Oh here you are, insisting on being wrong as always. Slink away.
Some Giants' fans hate him and some fans love him. The bottom line is this: he is playing behind an offensive line that needs 3 new interior starters, he has no NFL caliber TE to throw to (although Bellinger could be a possible #2) and he needs 2-3 NFL-caliber WR's who are not on the team yet. Despite having no protection and no weapons, half the people here berate him as a QB and want him gone ? He might not be the QB for the Giants going forward but how could you decide now ?
Give him some protection and some weapons, then see. Also, I would not resign Barkley. Use the money for OL and WR's, then you can sign a few lesser backs. NFL is a passing league and you don't need a franchise RB anymore. If Jones would accept a one-year deal, and the Giants commit to upgrading the OL and WR's, we might find out if Jones deserves a new lengthy contract. You can't simply decide to replace him since the new QB would have to deal with the same lack of protection and weapons. I have confidence in our new GM but it will take at least another two off seasons to upgrade the positions where we are lacking talent. If Jones went to a team like the 49ers, people would talk about him in a completely different way as he would be surrounded by a lot more talent. Jones is smart, hard-working, mobile, and has a good arm. Pretty good traits to start with in a starting QB.
He’s slow to process and not instinctive. The sooner he’s gone the better, and I’m baffled by people who continue to insist his evaluation period needs to extend indefinitely.
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In comment 15932594 ajr2456 said:
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Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
I’d ask if you thought this team would look the same with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but I know the answer for some of you because you will believe Jones is elite no matter how much film is put in front of you. [/quote
Doesn’t matter what any of us think about Jones, we won’t be influithe decision Giants make about him.
I sometimes get the impression the Jones critics hold us responsible for Giants losses
I’d ask if you thought this team would look the same with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but I know the answer for some of you because you will believe Jones is elite no matter how much film is put in front of you.
The problem with your point is that if QB talent was all that mattered, why did the Bengals use a top 10 pick on Jamarr Chase when they already had 2 talented receivers? Why did the Bills trade a first round pick for Stefon Diggs? Josh Allen didn’t throw for 300 yards once during his first two years in the league. In fact Josh Allen averaged almost exactly the same amount of passing yards the year before BUF got Diggs that Daniel Jones is averaging this season.
People are allowed to think Daniel Jones isn’t good enough. And he’s certainly not as talented as Allen and Burrow. But the idea that he’s (or any other QB if they were placed in this situation) in no way affected by the dearth of talent at the wide receiver position is just idiotic.
It’s rather fascinating.
It's also fascinating the dopes that have laser focus on one position on the offense.
Garbage.
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There are just some people who are ignorant and want to die on the hill that is Daniel Jones and his shitty QB play.
It’s rather fascinating.
It's also fascinating the dopes that have laser focus on one position on the offense.
Cool story. Enjoy your Daniel Jones rose colored glasses, Pollyanna.
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There are just some people who are ignorant and want to die on the hill that is Daniel Jones and his shitty QB play.
It’s rather fascinating.
It's also fascinating the dopes that have laser focus on one position on the offense.
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Cool story. Enjoy your Daniel Jones rose colored glasses, Pollyanna.
Eat a dick with your shit colored DJ glasses.
Careful, he ll campaign to have you banned
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There are just some people who are ignorant and want to die on the hill that is Daniel Jones and his shitty QB play.
It’s rather fascinating.
It's also fascinating the dopes that have laser focus on one position on the offense.
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Cool story. Enjoy your Daniel Jones rose colored glasses, Pollyanna.
Eat a dick with your shit colored DJ glasses.
Lmfao. Sad little man.
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There are just some people who are ignorant and want to die on the hill that is Daniel Jones and his shitty QB play.
It’s rather fascinating.
It's also fascinating the dopes that have laser focus on one position on the offense.
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Cool story. Enjoy your Daniel Jones rose colored glasses, Pollyanna.
Eat a dick with your shit colored DJ glasses.
Lmfao. Sad little man.
Whatever you say dooshbag.
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His supporting cast is shit including the so call All Pro RB at 3 yds a carry. If you are saying Jones needs to win this game than Barkley needs to do his part. And where was the $30m a year man on the DL when they ran straight through us. Most of you are clueless and obviously never played the game. Yea Archie Manning sucked as a QB. It had nothing to do with the players around him on the Saints. Saints couldn’t win games so it’s all on him. Just stupid.
All pro?
80% completions not including spikes, 200yds, leading rusher 70+ yards, 0 int, 1 fumble. Playing with that OL, WR and Barkley producing shit, I would consider that #1 stud on the team. There were plenty of duds.
I can't believe people are actually using the completion percentage as evidence that Jones played a good game. He barely threw the ball downfield at all. How many yards did all those completions amount to? Take away the prayer he threw up to Slayton for 50 or 60 yards (and it wasn't a great throw by any means, rather it was a nice adjustment by Slayton) and he did squat through the air today.
Sorry Frenchie -- It doesn't mean I don't love you
It's not a bad game. It's not a great game either. Sucks that Slayton couldn't bring that one in to improve that statline. Also sucks DJ couldn't hold onto the ball to improve that statline.
I really wonder what kind of contract DJ gets and from who next year.
You didn't get to see these guys live, then. I watched them play during their eras.
Jones isn't in the same class as Eli, Simms, Collins,the Winner of SB 25, Jeff Hostetler (who you didn't mention) AND Superbowl/MVP winner Kurt Warner! Simms was MILES ahead of Jones, and other than Bavaro, had worst WR's than Jones has! (Slayton, believe it or not, would be a #1 on the 1986 team that won a SB).
And you obviously didn't see Collins live (I watched him plenty at Albany Camp). Collins had the best arm of any Giants QB, he had a laser. Put him in Dabol's offense, and he'd be unstoppable.
Collins only problem was not being able to audible, and being hampered by Jim Fassel loosing his nut sack when he game planned against the Ravens in the 2000 SB (he totally gave up on the run). Jones simply isn't anywhere near as good as Kerry at this point. Look at what Kerry could do against the Vikings in the 2000 NFC Championship game (I was there!)
Giants 41, Vikings ZERO!!
I put Jones in the Brunner, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham, Dave Brown group. He's Alex Smith lite...put a great team around him, and you can get to the playoffs, but you won't sniff a Super Bowl.
Like Alex Smith, we may need to have him around a year or two, considering how many holes there still are at WR, LB, etc. I doubt the team has enough firepower to move up in the draft, and you wouldn't want to draft a QB without the help he needs.
We're probably still three years away from being a serious contender (Replacing Jones/Barkley and developing a rookie qb). Let's NOT fall into the Denver trap (Russell Wilson), by going after an older QB.
Jones can move though when he runs. Still has not demonstrated an ability to lead the offense with his arm consistently, or lead the big late game drive throwing the ball. Would be a mistake to make a major commitment long term after this season.
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Jones was ok for the most part today, and didn’t throw many incompletions and the offense was nonexistent.
How is anyone comfortable with a long term deal on the hope it changes with different receivers?
Do you seriously think Jones and this team would look the same if we had Miami's or Buffalo's or Cincinatti's receivers?
Don't bother. Our No. 1 receiver right now is a guy who this staff couldn't wait to get rid of. Forced to take a pay cut, and even with that was buried in the depth chart. Think about that. He is now WR1. WR2 is a guy we picked up a few weeks ago off waivers. How is it possible DJ isn't lighting it up with this group. Anyone who cannot acknowledge the obvious fact that tis is a woefully deficient group that handcuffs eyerything in this offense has an agenda.
And that's without discussing the mediocre to bad pass blocking of the interior of the OL.
Yeah, uh, but he’s gotta suck it up and make plays.
Don’t think as highly of Hoss as you do, although he had great games against the Bears and Bills to get us a Super Bowl. After defense coordinators figured out his weaknesses, he never delivered the same level performances.
Forgot Kurt Warner, but don’t really include him as a Giant because he was a 1/2 year rental at near the end of his career.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
We only have 4 comeback wins this year - I'm guessing that was in spite of Jones because the staff CLEARLY doesn't trust him with the game on the line.
Then again, it wasn't too long ago we were regaled by these same bozos about how Jones has never been good at any level of play extending back to youth football.
I just wonder what motivates these takes, said with such confidence.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
If anything this game should make them realize they need to put more faith in Jones. Running with Barkley in the second half killed this offense. If Slayton holds on to the pass he drops, this story ends differently.
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I don't know how we have no intermediate passing game. Every throw felt within three yards of the LOS or 20 plus yards down field. I'm sure I'm exaggerating but it's frustrating not to be able to get 8-15 yards passing.
Because those are the hardest throws. The offense is designed for extremely short throws to targets right in front of Jones and the occasional go ball, which also requires zero decion making.
When we were down 10-0 what did we do? Our bread and butter - bootleg, Jones throws 3 yards in the air to someone right in front of him.
There is no NFL offense that asks less from their QB in the passing game than the Giants.
This is a good point. Jones had a throw 15 yards down the field or so late in the game where defenders were draped over the receiver. Almost led to a pick.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
Last week was more frustrating than this one to me - down big to a superior team is the time to take risk and let it rip. I actually thought last week was poor coaching. Running the ball down two scores with five minutes left was a little silly IMO.
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Would be extending Daniel Jones for big money. It's the one thing that we could do that would destroy the rebuild before it starts. Given Maras affinity for Jones, it's been a major concern.
But as we proceed it's becoming obvious that this coaching staff has zero confidence in Jones to run an NFL passing offense. Last week, down by 15 in the 4th quarter we come out running the ball. In 2 minute situations, we come out running the ball. We very rarely call drop back passes and even less frequently throw to challenging areas of the field.
It's clear that this is a designer offense for a QB who's a pretty good runner and needs to see a receiver open right in front of him to pass effectively. To this staffs great credit, they have put Jones in positions to do OK given those massive constraints. But this is not a way to play football in the modern NFL and have any real success.
These last few games have made me increasingly confident that the coaches see no future with Jones as a starter. And that is great because it's nearly impossible to build a high level team with a QB as limited as Jones.
If anything this game should make them realize they need to put more faith in Jones. Running with Barkley in the second half killed this offense. If Slayton holds on to the pass he drops, this story ends differently.
This is three coaching staffs in a row that have gone absurdly conservative in what they ask Jones to do.
And according to Sy it was a poor throw and bad jump. That was not a Slayton drop (as all but a few will admit).
I don't want him on the Giants - we need a real QB
He's never gonna take the Giants to the promised land
Money doesn't give you class, and being a Mod doesn't confer football knowledge.
The fact you even tried to reference that he wasn't good in high school should be cause for embarrassment.
Instead, you seem to think you had a fucking point. You want to relive your stupidity?? Have at it, Ace.
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This is three coaching staffs in a row that have gone absurdly conservative in what they ask Jones to do.
And according to Sy it was a poor throw and bad jump. That was not a Slayton drop (as all but a few will admit).
1. It's the second coaching staff to play conservative.
2. Sy is not the Alpha nor the Omega. You could argue it was a tough catch, but...that was a drop.
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Let's relive the Jones glory days.
The fact you even tried to reference that he wasn't good in high school should be cause for embarrassment.
Instead, you seem to think you had a fucking point. You want to relive your stupidity?? Have at it, Ace.
I said he was never good at any level. Usually when adults are talking that means high school or college. It's generally assumed that anybody playing professional sports was good in high school or younger. Feel free to go look it up but try not to alter my post when you do it.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The smart money is to resign him while still looking for that "promise land" type QB. And build the rest of the team.
The Giants can do two things at once.
Again, I don't see him as the problem today. But he's not going to singlehandedly win games.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
It hurts us equally. If we don’t beat Washington in two weeks, we lose an 8-8-1 tie breaker to Washington. There’s also a realistic chance the Lions could get to 9-8 the way they’re playing and their schedule.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
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away.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
He threw a strike to Slayton and he dropped it?
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away.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
Well on the first GW chance, he threw a 40 yard rope and his number 1 WR dropped it.
On his third GW chance, he’s on the Washington side of the field with a mailable 3rd and 2, and his halfback and receiver bump into each other screwing up the play like it’s pee wee ball.
If Slayton catches that ball OR we make a first down on that 3rd and 2, does Gidie even make this post?
I have no idea if Jones is the guy going forward. More than likely, he’s the bridge guy to the next guy. But let’s not act like his supporting cast isn’t Barkley, a number 3 guy in Slayton, and practice squad filler.
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away.
Jones wasn't why we lost today. Oh wait, we didn't lose at all! We missed a game winning field goal that could easily have gone in and tied. This hurts the Skins much more than it hurts us.
Glad gidie switched sides. Now we can really enjoy it when Schoen re-signs Jones in the offseason and BBI turns into even a bigger joke of bad takes.
The case for Jones has always included that he's got "x game winning drives' in his career.
He had three chances to do just that and never got out of the parking lot.
In a game in which many people here indicated was a "big game-maybe the biggest of his career yet" he did what?
Well on the first GW chance, he threw a 40 yard rope and his number 1 WR dropped it.
On his third GW chance, he’s on the Washington side of the field with a mailable 3rd and 2, and his halfback and receiver bump into each other screwing up the play like it’s pee wee ball.
If Slayton catches that ball OR we make a first down on that 3rd and 2, does Gidie even make this post?
I have no idea if Jones is the guy going forward. More than likely, he’s the bridge guy to the next guy. But let’s not act like his supporting cast isn’t Barkley, a number 3 guy in Slayton, and practice squad filler.
makeable not mailable.
We can do what ifs for dozens of plays each game. The Giants are a handful of what ifs from being 5-7.
It's clear they don't trust him. They do not put the game in his hands and are extremely conservative in what they ask him to do.
One can take that however they see fit, but to me none of that equals the slightest bit of evidence they intend a long-term relationship with the player.
We can do what ifs for dozens of plays each game. The Giants are a handful of what ifs from being 5-7.
So if Jones checks down there, people like you chastise him for not taking chances. On a 3rd and 10 that should have never happened since Slayton dropped the long pass and was arguably interfered with on 2nd down, he tries to get aggressive, and fit one in, and the defender almost makes a diving play, and that’s on him?
I really kinda hope we move on from Jones, and he signs with San Fran or the Raiders, just to see what happens. I literally don’t think a portion of this fan base will ever accept him since he was probably overdrafted.
But Giants fans have also been weird with quarterbacks. We started saying “Eli will be fine” because half the fan base was ready to move on from him in November 2007. I know Simms was pretty much considered a China doll bust from about 1980 until 1984. And on we go.
Give him some protection and some weapons, then see. Also, I would not resign Barkley. Use the money for OL and WR's, then you can sign a few lesser backs. NFL is a passing league and you don't need a franchise RB anymore. If Jones would accept a one-year deal, and the Giants commit to upgrading the OL and WR's, we might find out if Jones deserves a new lengthy contract. You can't simply decide to replace him since the new QB would have to deal with the same lack of protection and weapons. I have confidence in our new GM but it will take at least another two off seasons to upgrade the positions where we are lacking talent. If Jones went to a team like the 49ers, people would talk about him in a completely different way as he would be surrounded by a lot more talent. Jones is smart, hard-working, mobile, and has a good arm. Pretty good traits to start with in a starting QB.
We can only grade on the plays that actually happened
We only have 4 comeback wins this year - I'm guessing that was in spite of Jones because the staff CLEARLY doesn't trust him with the game on the line.
Then again, it wasn't too long ago we were regaled by these same bozos about how Jones has never been good at any level of play extending back to youth football.
I just wonder what motivates these takes, said with such confidence.
Oh here you are, insisting on being wrong as always. Slink away.
Give him some protection and some weapons, then see. Also, I would not resign Barkley. Use the money for OL and WR's, then you can sign a few lesser backs. NFL is a passing league and you don't need a franchise RB anymore. If Jones would accept a one-year deal, and the Giants commit to upgrading the OL and WR's, we might find out if Jones deserves a new lengthy contract. You can't simply decide to replace him since the new QB would have to deal with the same lack of protection and weapons. I have confidence in our new GM but it will take at least another two off seasons to upgrade the positions where we are lacking talent. If Jones went to a team like the 49ers, people would talk about him in a completely different way as he would be surrounded by a lot more talent. Jones is smart, hard-working, mobile, and has a good arm. Pretty good traits to start with in a starting QB.
He’s slow to process and not instinctive. The sooner he’s gone the better, and I’m baffled by people who continue to insist his evaluation period needs to extend indefinitely.