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One huge difference between Giants current offense

M.S. : 12/4/2022 5:28 pm

vs first 7 games of season:

Saquon Barkley is getting nailed in the backfield for 3-5 yard losses. That was not really happening very much earlier in the season, but starting with the Seattle game, our O-line is starting to have an eerie resemblance to the O-lines of the Joe Judge era.

With so many holes to fill, Joe Schoen decided on a short term fix with two veterans at Center and Right Guard. Now I think he needs to get more serious with a premium draft pick (maybe Day 2?) for his interior line.


All the health and depth went away  
Ben in Tampa : 12/4/2022 5:32 pm : link
I think every Giants interior linemen has appeared on the injury report the last month.

I don’t think anyone is healthy in that group.
he spent a day 2 pick on ezeudu  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2022 5:32 pm : link
glowinski has been the big disappointment because for 7m in AAV there were others available who have had really good years. to move on from him in the offseason would cost 8 or 9m of dead money so he's going to be back.

they need to evaluate gates the rest of the year because he may be the best option for C next year. there isn't much out there in FA.
The first half was fine  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2022 5:38 pm : link
They were pretty much back to those earlier game production wise. Look at the difference in first versus second half rushing wise. That was the big difference in this game.

Those negative downs change the down/distance situation and that leads to the IOL (PB) and WR showing the two biggest weaknesses on offense. Giants just don't have that elite WR or group of upper tier guys to bail them out imv.
The Oline is a huge question mark!  
prdave73 : 12/4/2022 5:40 pm : link
It's a mess still. Barkley is still making things happen even in these conditions. It's hilarious, what are most of you thinking?? Really.. What do you expect?? lol
RE: he spent a day 2 pick on ezeudu  
Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15932449 Eric on Li said:
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they need to evaluate gates the rest of the year because he may be the best option for C next year. there isn't much out there in FA.


They need to get Bredeson/Ezuedu back at LG so they can insert Gates as Center, ASAP
Even when the run production has been really good  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2022 5:43 pm : link
I think interior running is not good enough. This hurts against the wrong kind of defense that can defend the off tackle outside stuff. Buffalo has had the same issues but have been much better the last few weeks.

Giants need to recognize the talent and resources our division foes invest on the DL including DT/LB. They should not try to out scheme it. They need to plan (assets) and execute to beat it imv.
JFC- they can’t keep OL healthy  
Dave on the UWS : 12/4/2022 5:43 pm : link
for 5 min. What do you ant the guy to do? Ezeudu was drafted to be a starter. Lemieux has been hurt all year. Brederson gave them decent play early, he’s been hurt. The bigger issues is Feliciano and Glowinski n have been sub par at best. They were meant as stop gaps, and they are “barely” that. OL work better when healthy.
Giants  
mdthedream : 12/4/2022 5:44 pm : link
need WR so they actually are a threat. No WR equals other teams not caring about use passing.
RE: The Oline is a huge question mark!  
Bill in UT : 12/4/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15932485 prdave73 said:
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It's a mess still. Barkley is still making things happen even in these conditions.


I don't see this at all. Except for one play today where he lowered his shoulder, he's very easy to bring down for a guy his size. With good blocking, he can take advantage of a hole and take it to the house. With average to poor blocking, he's nothing special compared to a host of good RBs. IMHO
Bill in UT  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2022 5:48 pm : link
I saw it like you did today. He lowered the shoulder a couple times but that was more finishing outside runs. Elsewhere not so much imv.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/4/2022 5:51 pm : link
Our best WR is Darius Fucking Slayton. Haha.
I still say  
kelly : 12/4/2022 5:52 pm : link
Gates at center, Neal at left guard and Phillips at right tackle was the way to go.

If EZ or Bredeson is ready tham Neal to right guard, gates to center, Phillips at right tackle and either EZ or Bredeson at left guard.

That is our best o line with what we have available. Long term Neal to right tackle. But we need to win now.

Feliciano is terrible and Gates is much better.
Neal would be better than Glow.
Kelly  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2022 5:54 pm : link
I'm worried Ezuedu's neck is a pretty big issue. They put him back in when he had that issue first and we have not seen him since.
They had a ton of chances to  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/4/2022 6:02 pm : link
Draft Salyer . I don’t see how 2 kids from NC got picked over this kid !!! He would have slid in perfect next to Thomas.
RE: They had a ton of chances to  
Angel Eyes : 12/4/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15932578 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Draft Salyer . I don’t see how 2 kids from NC got picked over this kid !!! He would have slid in perfect next to Thomas.

He was on my board as well. Funnily enough Salyer actually succeeded Thomas at left tackle in Georgia.
RE: RE: They had a ton of chances to  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/4/2022 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15932585 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15932578 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:


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Draft Salyer . I don’t see how 2 kids from NC got picked over this kid !!! He would have slid in perfect next to Thomas.








He was on my board as well. Funnily enough Salyer actually succeeded Thomas at left tackle in Georgia.


Yep! And now he’s killing it at guard for SD!
Barkley is a back that takes more tackles for a loss  
JerrysKids : 12/4/2022 6:44 pm : link
than any back I can remember other than Barry Sanders. His losses are more like a sack, it's become a major issue with this team and I actually think he needs to be used less and they need to get Brightwell some share of the load. Barkley doesn't break tackles and usually goes down very easy.
The Giants final 7 runs after going up 20-13…  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/4/2022 7:00 pm : link
No gain
1 yard (QB run)
-1 yard
No gain

OT


-3 yards
8 yards (QB scramble on passing play)
5 yards


7 runs for a grand total of 10 yards.
Aside from drafting a wide receiver in the 1st...  
jnoble : 12/4/2022 8:18 pm : link
... we absolutely need to draft a new center or guard somewhat early. And then we need to grab another WR right after that with the next pick.

My super early before the season is even over four round mock draft:
#1 WR
#2 LB
#3 OG or C
#3 WR
#4 OG or C
RE: Aside from drafting a wide receiver in the 1st...  
M.S. : 12/5/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15933008 jnoble said:
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... we absolutely need to draft a new center or guard somewhat early. And then we need to grab another WR right after that with the next pick.

My super early before the season is even over four round mock draft:
#1 WR
#2 LB
#3 OG or C
#3 WR
#4 OG or C

I like your thinking. And I think the Giants will be drafting a lot higher than many expect. Could be as high as 15.
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