Video of Feliciano Taunting Penalty

Sure it was pretty stupid. Very stupid. But a penalty? Players seem to do that all the time especially on TDs.

...or punching another player in the face. Come on.

/sarcasm

Barkley got away with it against the Jags. McKinney fucks himself up during the BYE week. Feliciano penalty. Pissed away both Dallas games.

But, they still had 1st and 10 at midfield. It’s not like it was 1st and 25. Dumb penalty, but the offense was awful. Every team gets dumb penalties and bad breaks from time to time. I was so unimpressed with the offense.

After hearing Daboll comment on it, that was a horrible call.

How could he be taunting players that he went past and had their backs to him? He was looking at Slayton. Still not something he needed to do, but bad call.

and I agree this is near the top of the list.

I was watching the Chiefs-Bengals game. Taylor Stallworth had a great pass rush and made the perfect textbook tackle on Burrow for a sack. It was beautiful. But because the NFL no longer believes QBs can handle tackling, the play cost the Chiefs 15 critical yards and the Bengals got a TD.

Just brutal...

In comment 15932986 Sean said:

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But, they still had 1st and 10 at midfield. It’s not like it was 1st and 25. Dumb penalty, but the offense was awful. Every team gets dumb penalties and bad breaks from time to time. I was so unimpressed with the offense.

X infinity.

In comment 15933014 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15932986 Sean said: Quote: But, they still had 1st and 10 at midfield. It’s not like it was 1st and 25. Dumb penalty, but the offense was awful. Every team gets dumb penalties and bad breaks from time to time. I was so unimpressed with the offense. X infinity.

With the personnel limitations, there is zero room for error. Penalties like that have a disproportionate effect on this team

The entire length of the field into the end zone after a turnover to celebrate like morons. Or 3 WRs to jump in a Salvation Army bucket after a TD and play wak a mole like idiots.

opportunity to win and then a dumb move by a player and an even dumber move by the refs ruins it.

I think it was dumb but the refs sure as hell should have kept the flag in their pocket. There was no reason to throw that flag.

If you are going to call one, all them all. Zeke “Eating”, players spinning the ball after a first down; the entire defense celebrating after a turnover; the choreographed offensive end zone dances.

And he is only one of 5 or 6 guys that helped not win this game

For sure, it was questionable in my opinion that he was directing this “taunting”. to the defense. But, clearly far more egregious behavior goes on constantly and is more deliberate in its intent and is not called taunting. Ridiculous call.

up 7 at 3:45 pm. never score again

More blocking is what’s needed.

Slayton doesn't even look at this clown.

but a concerning lack of discipline by this team as the season goes along.

A bunch of WC players on the WC sidelines to get to Slayton.
Dumb penalty by a low talented veteran. Aka, double suck.
My cuz called me after it and said: if Parcells was HC, JF would have been cut right after the game.
I liked that idea.

Started with an 8 yard reception by Bellinger. We failed to get 2 yards on 2 attempts and punted. I understand Feliciano maybe shouldn’t have ran up to Slayton to flex and celebrate but it seems to be minor miracle when we get a first down so I understand that magnitude of this accomplishment. The fact that the refs actually threw a flag on this play is both pathetic and par for course.

In comment 15933056 figgy2989 said:

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If you are going to call one, all them all. Zeke “Eating”, players spinning the ball after a first down; the entire defense celebrating after a turnover; the choreographed offensive end zone dances.

Of course this is spot on, but instead of people realizing there is such inconsistency in the enforcement, we'll get blame passed along from Feliciano and Mara instead of wondering how the refs actually decide what is and what isn't taunting.

Hell - the OP blames Mara for the rule, as that should be proof enough that it is OK to call in a ridiculous situation.

I have no issue with what Feliciano did. The Giants didn’t play that well and made some questionable moves and decisions, but that ref is really a dope if that is considered taunting.

I miss the days of acting like you've been there before.

In comment 15932999 Matt123 said:

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After hearing Daboll comment on it, that was a horrible call. How could he be taunting players that he went past and had their backs to him? He was looking at Slayton. Still not something he needed to do, but bad call.

Couldn’t agree more - I have absolutely no problem with a player going to celebrate a possibly game-clinching play.

The rules for taunting is pretty vague, but doesn’t apply to what JF did:

‘Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams.’

I’d imagine the official who threw the flag will realize this wasn’t taunting when he watches this again (though it’s no consolation to us)

It’s clear why he’s not on the Bills anymore.

In comment 15933035 Blue21 said:

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The entire length of the field into the end zone after a turnover to celebrate like morons. Or 3 WRs to jump in a Salvation Army bucket after a TD and play wak a mole like idiots.

In those examples you cited the celebrating is not directly aimed at another team's player(s). That the out for the NFL. But I hear you.

I despise many of these rules, too, and wish the refs would show more restraint and discretion.

But the NFL is a TV show and I swear the NFL likes these controversies.

In comment 15933014 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15932986 Sean said: Quote: But, they still had 1st and 10 at midfield. It’s not like it was 1st and 25. Dumb penalty, but the offense was awful. Every team gets dumb penalties and bad breaks from time to time. I was so unimpressed with the offense. X infinity.

+2. The penalty was stupid, but it likely wouldn't have mattered if we had a capable offense.

In comment 15933144 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Hell - the OP blames Mara for the rule, as that should be proof enough that it is OK to call in a ridiculous situation.

Oh look everyone, Eeyore's back. What, those 4 listeners to this week's edition of Crying: A Giants Podcast weren't enough to keep you down in the dumps?

we just haven't seen it yet.

Of a bunch of your opponents after a play. It happens like hundreds of times per game.

In comment 15933258 Jerry in_DC said:

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Of a bunch of your opponents after a play. It happens like hundreds of times per game.

Yes just as I was watching the Bengals game, BJ Hill makes a tackle and literally flexes while staring at guy he tackled. No flag.

Violated by a stupid player! Say what you want about the rule but it is on the books. There are reasons for a hold sometimes. There are reasons for blocking in the back or grabbing the face mask to stop a runner. All are penalties and all should be penalized. What reason is there for a player to go flex after a first down? Even if the Commanders players were behind him he was on their sideline with the rest of their team. Stupid move but not the reason they lost. That is on the coaching staff who again played not to lose. The bloom is off this rose and it’s time for the coaches to show more creativity on offense and adapt when other teams adjust to stop Barkley.

In comment 15933176 bw in dc said:

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In those examples you cited the celebrating is not directly aimed at another team's player(s). That the out for the NFL. But I hear you.

It's a weak ass rule. Unfortunately Feliciano bumped Bostic in the face when throwing up the Muscle Men -- and right in front of the officials.

The spirit of the rule is to not get in the opponents face after your team does well.

I don't doubt his intention is to celebrate with Slayton, but this one's an easy call.

So they penalize things that could lead to fights. Guys who do their celebrations with teammates or in empty space don't get penalties. Guys who do it in front of their opponents do get penalties.

It just seems really easy not to do it.

Washington had a first down in Giants territory brought back on a phantom block in the back that turned a potential scoring drive into a 2nd and 16 which ended up a punt.

There’s missed and ticky tack calls in every game. Teams overcome them every week.

In comment 15933291 ajr2456 said:

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Washington had a first down in Giants territory brought back on a phantom block in the back that turned a potential scoring drive into a 2nd and 16 which ended up a punt. There’s missed and ticky tack calls in every game. Teams overcome them every week.

I thought we dodged a bullet when the refs picked up the PI flag on Moreau late in the second half at the goal line. Instead of having a chance for a short yardage TD, the WC had to settle for a FG.

That really pissed off Rivera.

In comment 15933300 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15933291 ajr2456 said: Quote: Washington had a first down in Giants territory brought back on a phantom block in the back that turned a potential scoring drive into a 2nd and 16 which ended up a punt. There’s missed and ticky tack calls in every game. Teams overcome them every week. I thought we dodged a bullet when the refs picked up the PI flag on Moreau late in the second half at the goal line. Instead of having a chance for a short yardage TD, the WC had to settle for a FG. That really pissed off Rivera.

I think that was the right call just because I hate seeing pass interference called on under thrown balls, but that ball was more catchable than it originally looked and that’s probably called a penalty more often than not. Definitely probably dodged a bullet there.

Dexter Lawrence also could have easily been called for a personal foul on a blow to the helmet earlier.

The Giants had a 1st and 10 near midfield after that play, with the lead. It was a dumb penalty, but the Giants had plenty of chances to put the game away after.

In comment 15933300 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15933291 ajr2456 said: Quote: Washington had a first down in Giants territory brought back on a phantom block in the back that turned a potential scoring drive into a 2nd and 16 which ended up a punt. There’s missed and ticky tack calls in every game. Teams overcome them every week. I thought we dodged a bullet when the refs picked up the PI flag on Moreau late in the second half at the goal line. Instead of having a chance for a short yardage TD, the WC had to settle for a FG. That really pissed off Rivera.

Thought it was the right call to pick up that flag.

Giants also didn't get a call on Slayton being interfered with late in the game too.

I guess the point is there are bad calls and missed calls but Felciano can absolutely avoid doing anything in that situation to hurt the team - it's after the play is way done.

He wasn’t involved in the play and ran across the field to do it. Completely avoidable whether it was the right call or not

In comment 15933308 ajr2456 said:

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He wasn’t involved in the play and ran across the field to do it. Completely avoidable whether it was the right call or not

dallas does it literally all game. Never a flag.

I can't believe some of the commenters above are attempting to defend Feliciano or claim it was a bad call by the officials. He had absolutely nothing to do with the play and had to "flex" like a fool just to get a rise out of the opponent.

Would Bart Oates do something like that? Shaun O'Hara?

What an embarrassment to hurt your team like that because you had to get a taunt in.

discretion should not be to throw a penalty flag there at that point in the game. Bad calls within the game happen as the refs are human. This was a call that was not within the game and the ref decided to make it about himself.

Also, what fights? Fights happen a handful of times a season in the NFL. Hockey used to have fights multiple times a game and no one died.

In comment 15933308 ajr2456 said:

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He wasn’t involved in the play and ran across the field to do it. Completely avoidable whether it was the right call or not

This

that taunting? It took me three times to see where he was and what he did. To all those that say he shouldn't have done it, I say did what? He wasn't standing over somebody or directing it at somebody. That is really a reach. After a big hit defenders get up and pose all the time...

John Mara and the competition committee have put the refs in a bad spot. The refs aren't the ones who came up with the emphasis and the parameters.

Unfortunately, Feliciano ran across the field to celebrate in a crowd of defenders and made contact with an opponents helmet while doing his act.

He might not have intended to celebrate at someone, but he did.

Again, stupid rule and stupid penalty.

In comment 15933414 section125 said:

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that taunting? It took me three times to see where he was and what he did. To all those that say he shouldn't have done it, I say did what? He wasn't standing over somebody or directing it at somebody. That is really a reach. After a big hit defenders get up and pose all the time...

They’re the ones who made the play.

In comment 15933588 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15933414 section125 said: Quote: that taunting? It took me three times to see where he was and what he did. To all those that say he shouldn't have done it, I say did what? He wasn't standing over somebody or directing it at somebody. That is really a reach. After a big hit defenders get up and pose all the time... They’re the ones who made the play.

He went to his guy (slayton) to tell him he was Strong, which he was. How is that even remotely taunting? I mean if you want to take away a possible game clinching play where a player did not even engage an opposing player and call it taunting, fine--but I am not onboard with that. It was a disgraceful call.

Inside a crowd of defenders. The refs don’t know his intention was to do it at Slayton. We also don’t know if he said anything directed at a defender. He wasn’t involved in the play that’s why the flag got thrown. It was a stupid move by the player.

I thought Moreau interfered with the receiver in the end zone. And Rivera, who doesn’t work the refs a lot, clearly agreed. A much bigger play and non-call than the Feliciano taunting.

I bet the Skins boards are complaining about the picked up flag as we speak, and with more justification than our complaint.

On the long WFT run was ticky tack. That play was chaotic and likely busted.

was egregiously bad. There was nothing about yesterday's game that had me blaming the officials. Sure there were plays that could go either way, but I didn't think they effected any outcomes.

it does seem clear that he was directing the flexing towards Slayton - in a way to get each other pumped up after a big play. Nothing unusual. None of the Washington players even looked back at Feliciano, so he likely didn't say anything either towards them when he came over.

I can't blame the refs for throwing the flag, because it does look bad from a distance - but there was no intent there and it was a bad call.

is not the point, the point is its another instance where the refs pick and choose when to throw a flag..

Players flex at their opponent all the time, and he wasnt even doing it the Commanders players..

First thing you are taught as an official do not make yourself the talking point at the end of the game, if you are one of the main talking points it means you did not officiate a good game..no one came to watch you throw flags..

Its utterly ridiculous these NFL refs constantly decide games with these calls and calls that are not obvious..if the ref doesnt throw the flag is anyone complaining they didnt throw a flag on that?

I imagine if Feliciano gets fined, the explanation will be because he made contact with the opponents helmet while celebrating.

It's an absurd rule to emphasize. But the competition committee, including our fearless leader Juhn, are to blame for this.

He didn’t run across the field to do this. The OL hustled that way during the play. Look who else is in the video: Neal and Glowinski. At most he just went to his guy 5 yards further. Players also bump as jostle as they go past all the time. Neal and a WC player bump. No one - not one of the Commanders’ players - sees or cares what JF is doing.

This was a weak call 100%. I see players get up, spike the ball, bark at opponents, spin the ball, signal 1st down, do feed me, and on and on. JF went to get his guy. Seen real time before the flag, no one noticed or expected a call there. I sure saw nothing. The announcers saw nothing. The players saw nothing. There was nothing.

Point 2: that play had put us in FG range for Gano and moving back was a killer.

Third: it was 1st and 15, we should have been able to overcome it but our margin for error on O is zero.

This was one of 3 or 4 points where we could and should have won it but couldn’t.

In comment 15933621 cosmicj said:

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I thought Moreau interfered with the receiver in the end zone. And Rivera, who doesn’t work the refs a lot, clearly agreed. A much bigger play and non-call than the Feliciano taunting. I bet the Skins boards are complaining about the picked up flag as we speak, and with more justification than our complaint.

They clearly got away with one there which is why I didn’t complain about the blatant OPI that was committed by Dotson on McCloud TWO PLAYS before the 4th & 4 conversion. OPI changes the game there.

The officials were just awful both ways.

I am now 100% convinced Feliciano made his “flex gesture” for Slayton’s benefit…..not for any Commander. You can see him going toward Slayton and following him.

This then clearly cannot be a penalty….I can’t believe the taunting rule says you also can’t make gestures to show approval for a teammate.

THE REFS SCREWED US.