and win the game today, can you mention 2 plays where a superior QB would have done that? Please spare me the early fumble that cost 3 points, I've seen all the elite guys do worse than that.
was not the problem today. As I said, with all the running he does, a few fumbles a year are to be expected. He has very much reduced his turnovers.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones ran the ball very well. And he certainly wasn't the problem in the first half.
But in the second half, he just didn't make enough plays to put the game away or win it in OT.
165 yards on the ground. Jones is the leading rusher? This isn’t on Jones folks.
The defense was the only reason they were able to come away with a tie. They held Washington to 7 second half points despite the offense having one drive that went longer than 5 plays (which didn’t come until 2 minutes left in overtime). They were responsible for the only points the Giants scored in the second half. If it wasn’t for the fumble I’m not sure they would have scored in the second half.
Vs Washington giving up 4.9. The problem? Washington ran 82 miles plays to the Giants 65 plays. Washington was 3-14 on third down, compared to the Giants 4-13. The defense wasn’t the problem today.
penalty against Feliciano was correct IMO. At a minimum, it was defensible. But as someone else correctly noted in another thread, we were still at the 50 with a first down even after the penalty. We only needed another 20 yards to get within Gano's range, but the offense couldn't even do that. Aside from the short TD to open the half, it was just an endless series of three and outs. An even minimally competent offense makes that penalty moot.
Did Slayton drop it? You make the call…. Drop? Or not? - ( New Window )
What's amazing to me, is how many people seem to be saying that was such a tough catch. He NEEDS to make that catch. End of story. It just amazes me how people come out of the woodwork to bash the QB after every game when it's pretty freaking obvious we are short on players who make game winning plays.
That's the margin of error, not DJ fumbling in the opening minutes.
... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
was really efficient and yet you'll have several people post all week long about how he really wasn't efficient and that he should be replaced.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
I have to hand it to you. No matter how consistently wrong you have been over the years, you keep posting that you are right and everyone else is wrong. The team keeps losing, and you keep doubling down on how good everything is.
Your arrogance is completely unearned. Few posters on this board have been as consistently wrong as you about this team over the last 5-10 years. You should go back to looking for trolls. It was the only entertainment value you provided.
a staff that has confidence in him in big moments. The play before the half. Not going for it in 4th down in OT. It's pretty clear this staff has been hoping he doesn't lose games for them all season instead of seeing if he can win those games.
I lean toward letting him go however it will be interesting to see if they didn't have Jones try passes because lack of confidence in him - or the Receivers.
Again a huge dropped pass by Slayton.
Even on a running play - James running into Barkley (remember Sterling saying guys don't know the plays?).
The Dallas game - Jones made a bad pass but Barkley still muffed the pass.
How much confidence do you have in the Receiving core? It's like a wasted play considering overall the OL is better at RB though that wasn't the case in this game I believe but still that is their strength too.
“Prove to a true believer that their closely held belief is wrong with a hypothetical opinion”
Delete this. It’s embarrassing.
No it isn't. Reasonable question. I want them to let him go and I agree. Between bad play selection and half-assed effort by Barkley there wasn't a whole lot he could have done.
down the stretch, JOnes made the throw that put us in FG range and then Feliciano screwed us with his flexing.
and the long pass to Slayton should have won the game... it has in his hands and caught, until it wasn't (he seemed to lose it as he was gathering it into his body as he fell to the ground)... BUT Jones did his part on that play.
overall, this is not about one person (despite the many posts to the contrary)... this is about a team that isn't good enough yet and is dealing with injuries.
Whatever happens going forward with JOnes happens... I will leave that up to the brass. I could see it going either way next year... but NONE OF IT MATTERS if we don't improve the team in other areas (O Line, receivers, LBers)
of the late bomb. WTF was that? Even though he stopped running and went to high point it, it still was perfectly in his hands and he manages to bobble it even though it is clearly in his hands.... Slayton drops late bomb - ( New Window )
All week all we heard was “this is the biggest game of Jones’s career.” He doesn’t play well in it and the response is “not his fault they lost” despite the fact that they gained one net yard for most of the second half?
This loss is not on Daniel Jones alone. But at what point do we start saying “Daniel Jones put this team on his back and carried them to a win?”
He simply isn’t that kind of player. He‘ll play competently most weeks and give you a chance to stay in a game if you can run the ball effectively and play really good defense. There are 20-30 of those guys in the league. If the Giants offer him a contract I think it will be through that lease.
of the late bomb. WTF was that? Even though he stopped running and went to high point it, it still was perfectly in his hands and he manages to bobble it even though it is clearly in his hands.... Slayton drops late bomb - ( New Window )
He takes his hand of the ball to brace himself for contact with the ground. A quality receiver will tuck that ball away instead of protecting himself. It’s a shame but we’ve seen this from him before. We need receiver help badly.
perfectly acceptable train of thought (though I would argue the entire offense didn't play well in the 2nd half yesterday, not simply that Jones didn't)... the Giants should view him through that prism.
but that is a far cry from how others here view him - dissecting every play to seemingly prove he is the worst QB ever to play the position.
I am confident the Giants know what they have and will make a decision re: Jones based on what type of QB they want for the long term and what alternatives there are.
and the other thing I am confident in is that no matter what happens, there will be a contingent of people who will be upset and we will be debating about the next QB who they bring in. sports debate is getting to be like politics.
Long completion to Slayton. Slayton makes a very good play to haul it in. Everyone talks about the lousy WRs but here one is helping his QB out.
Over the middle to Slayton. Not a perfect throw but Slayton really should have hung on. Acceptable pass from Jones.
Over the middle to Sills. This is a bread and butter play for NFL QBs. Jones throws behind Sills, eliminating any chance of YAC. Sills bails Jones out with a quality catch. Again, the WR corps helping out Jones.
Finally, right sideline to Slayton. Jones misses. (I didn’t think the WFT DB interfered with Slayton, btw.)
So 4 normal downfield throws by Jones. Any of these look great to you? No. Most backup QBs can complete dinky short throws all day long. The star QBs can hit the target across the whole field. Jones is a backup, although a quality backup, for sure.
Quit with the hyperbole. No one believes he’s the worst QB ever to play. Sam Darnold makes him look like Joe Montana. The hyperbole deliberately hides the argument, that Jones isn’t a quality starter.
was really efficient and yet you'll have several people post all week long about how he really wasn't efficient and that he should be replaced.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
He had 136 passing yards for the game. That's isn't winning football. Anyone can have a high completion percentage if they are dinking and dunking. When McNabb did it BBI called him McDink and McDunk. When Jones does it BBI says he is efficient.
down the stretch, JOnes made the throw that put us in FG range and then Feliciano screwed us with his flexing.
and the long pass to Slayton should have won the game... it has in his hands and caught, until it wasn't (he seemed to lose it as he was gathering it into his body as he fell to the ground)... BUT Jones did his part on that play.
overall, this is not about one person (despite the many posts to the contrary)... this is about a team that isn't good enough yet and is dealing with injuries.
Whatever happens going forward with JOnes happens... I will leave that up to the brass. I could see it going either way next year... but NONE OF IT MATTERS if we don't improve the team in other areas (O Line, receivers, LBers)
of the late bomb. WTF was that? Even though he stopped running and went to high point it, it still was perfectly in his hands and he manages to bobble it even though it is clearly in his hands.... Slayton drops late bomb - ( New Window )
If he doesn't stop running, that ball is a Jones specialty- short and behind him. Slayton had to leap for it to haul in the other Jones specialty- the high pass. So, Slayton jumped as high as he could to get two hands on the ball at which point he tried to brace his fall with one hand and cradle the ball with the other.
Why doesn't the one and only throw the ball out in front of the receiver for once so the receiver can run under it since Slayton had his man beat- (you know a receiver with "separation")? I mean we've been told over and over again what a great deep ball passer he is, and all you ever see is Slayton trying to make circus catches on balls that are short or behind him. But you know, since the one and only threw the ball and it was in the vicinity of the receiver, the receiver must catch it no matter own wobbly, short, long, high, or contested the one and only makes the play. Circus catches should not be a regular requirement of receivers.
Jones does nothing that Mineshew or Brissett or a dozen other qb's can't do for less money. Giving him a great receiver is like trying to shovel flies across the room. End the experiment and send him on his way.
maybe some hyperbole in there but when a handful of posters dissect every Jones throw to state how bad he is (even the completions!) and others comparing him to Mineshew/Brissett, then yes - there is a pretty big disconnect for some BBIers when it comes to Jones.
and I have yet to see anyone here calling him elite or suggesting he get a max contract. Most reasonable posters would love to see an upgrade but in the absence of that, feel like Jones can be a decent QB if he had a decent supporting cast, no more no less.
(and if that is the way the Giants pay him , I am ok with that)
It was a fine pass and a sub par catch attempt. Not every deep ball is perfectly thrown. And not every deep jump ball is caught by the receiver.
Great QBs will throw passes of that caliber. Great WRs will miss catches like that sometimes. It's a normal play. It's just that our offense is so anemic that if we don't cash in on every opportunity it leaves us in a tough spot.
but Jones sucks because he can't hit a guy in full stride. Got it.
Let me just add some context. My very first thread on BBI expressed my disappoint that Eli never seemed to be able to hit a guy in stride, deep. I almost got run off the board for being a troll. Almost every response was that Eli was great because he could throw that long back-shoulder ball, you know, the one that often looks like it's thrown too short and you get contested catches.
Long completion to Slayton. Slayton makes a very good play to haul it in. Everyone talks about the lousy WRs but here one is helping his QB out.
Over the middle to Slayton. Not a perfect throw but Slayton really should have hung on. Acceptable pass from Jones.
Over the middle to Sills. This is a bread and butter play for NFL QBs. Jones throws behind Sills, eliminating any chance of YAC. Sills bails Jones out with a quality catch. Again, the WR corps helping out Jones.
Finally, right sideline to Slayton. Jones misses. (I didn’t think the WFT DB interfered with Slayton, btw.)
So 4 normal downfield throws by Jones. Any of these look great to you? No. Most backup QBs can complete dinky short throws all day long. The star QBs can hit the target across the whole field. Jones is a backup, although a quality backup, for sure.
First, the long pass to Slayton was a perfectly good pass.
Second, you ignore many of the other good throws. For instance, on the throw to James in OT, he rips it to James before he is out of his cut and puts it right between two defenders. The play showed everything the anti Jones crowd claims he does not have -- Arm strength, throwing people open, letting it rip without the receiver clearly being open. It was a fantastic throw and probably his best of the day.
It doesn’t appear Slayton could have kept running. The ball was short. . - ( New Window )
What?! It was short? How do you see that? If it was short he wouldn't have jumped backwards for the ball.
He's leading him to the inside. I think he definitely could have run under the ball. The problem is as we all know that Slayton's ball skills are below average and one of the main things that has held him back. It's not far fetched to conclude this is another example of this.
Finally, Cross said on the radio broadcast that the pass was perfect. I'll take his word as a former player.
was really efficient and yet you'll have several people post all week long about how he really wasn't efficient and that he should be replaced.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
l
How can you asses a QB with no receivers. I’ll never get it.
So do you give him a massive contract because you're unable to "asses" his play due to the lack of receivers?
You fanboys always miss the point. DJ is a free agent after this season. His value will need to be determined no matter how bad (or not) his receivers are.
I don't think Jones is all that awesome, but I think he has some pretty decent skills and with the combo of additional time with this coaching staff and an upgraded roster (I think all of BBI agrees we need a better O Line & receivers regardless of what anyone thinks of DJ), I think he is a starter in this league.
Second, you ignore many of the other good throws. For instance, on the throw to James in OT, he rips it to James before he is out of his cut and puts it right between two defenders. The play showed everything the anti Jones crowd claims he does not have -- Arm strength, throwing people open, letting it rip without the receiver clearly being open. It was a fantastic throw and probably his best of the day.
That was a good throw. I wouldn't use it as this great example to demonstrate Jones's arm talent, but it was a good throw, catch, and actually good coverage by McCain and Curl.
RE: RE: RE: Thinking of four longer throws Jones made
Second, you ignore many of the other good throws. For instance, on the throw to James in OT, he rips it to James before he is out of his cut and puts it right between two defenders. The play showed everything the anti Jones crowd claims he does not have -- Arm strength, throwing people open, letting it rip without the receiver clearly being open. It was a fantastic throw and probably his best of the day.
That was a good throw. I wouldn't use it as this great example to demonstrate Jones's arm talent, but it was a good throw, catch, and actually good coverage by McCain and Curl.
Cmon Man. To put it between two defenders there required very good velo and perfect ball placement.
maybe some hyperbole in there but when a handful of posters dissect every Jones throw to state how bad he is (even the completions!) and others comparing him to Mineshew/Brissett, then yes - there is a pretty big disconnect for some BBIers when it comes to Jones.
and I have yet to see anyone here calling him elite or suggesting he get a max contract. Most reasonable posters would love to see an upgrade but in the absence of that, feel like Jones can be a decent QB if he had a decent supporting cast, no more no less.
(and if that is the way the Giants pay him , I am ok with that)
It doesn’t appear Slayton could have kept running. The ball was short. . - ( New Window )
What?! It was short? How do you see that? If it was short he wouldn't have jumped backwards for the ball.
He's leading him to the inside. I think he definitely could have run under the ball. The problem is as we all know that Slayton's ball skills are below average and one of the main things that has held him back. It's not far fetched to conclude this is another example of this.
Finally, Cross said on the radio broadcast that the pass was perfect. I'll take his word as a former player.
100% agree…..In my opinion anyone who calls that a “bad pass” has an anti Jones agenda they need to keep firing up.
It doesn’t appear Slayton could have kept running. The ball was short. . - ( New Window )
What?! It was short? How do you see that? If it was short he wouldn't have jumped backwards for the ball.
He's leading him to the inside. I think he definitely could have run under the ball. The problem is as we all know that Slayton's ball skills are below average and one of the main things that has held him back. It's not far fetched to conclude this is another example of this.
Finally, Cross said on the radio broadcast that the pass was perfect. I'll take his word as a former player.
Slayton stops his route to jump for the ball. If Slayton keeps running that balls not dropping in over his shoulder.
That was a good throw. I wouldn't use it as this great example to demonstrate Jones's arm talent, but it was a good throw, catch, and actually good coverage by McCain and Curl.
Cmon Man. To put it between two defenders there required very good velo and perfect ball placement.
Let's not get pretend we were looking at Mahomes falling backwards and sticking a ball 20 yards downfield to Kelce between two safeties. It was a good throw by Jones. A ten-yard completion between the hashes.
We had to win that game, and it was there for the taking,
Here's one. The other I'd pick is that there would be a better throw to Slayton on the play to the right sideline that fell incomplete. It was well defended but a better throw could have drawn a PI or given Slayton a chance.
Jones leaves yards on the field and opts for the shorter, low risk plays. Twitter - ( New Window )
They had three more downs to play and didn't get it done.
Indeed. And on the taunting penalty against Feliciano, the other play mentioned as a reason we didn't win, we still had the ball 1st and ten from the 50.
They had three more downs to play and didn't get it done.
Indeed. And on the taunting penalty against Feliciano, the other play mentioned as a reason we didn't win, we still had the ball 1st and ten from the 50.
Razor thin margins in the manner they have to play with minimal playmakers and vanilla gameplans. When they don't capitalize on the few opportunities they get, then time starts running out on them.
Unfortunately, the official decided that a guy flexing was more important than the catch.
But carry on with the narrative about not making plays. It's what you do.
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was not the problem today. As I said, with all the running he does, a few fumbles a year are to be expected. He has very much reduced his turnovers.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones ran the ball very well. And he certainly wasn't the problem in the first half.
But in the second half, he just didn't make enough plays to put the game away or win it in OT.
Giants win if he catches this…..
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The defense was the only reason they were able to come away with a tie. They held Washington to 7 second half points despite the offense having one drive that went longer than 5 plays (which didn’t come until 2 minutes left in overtime). They were responsible for the only points the Giants scored in the second half. If it wasn’t for the fumble I’m not sure they would have scored in the second half.
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What's amazing to me, is how many people seem to be saying that was such a tough catch. He NEEDS to make that catch. End of story. It just amazes me how people come out of the woodwork to bash the QB after every game when it's pretty freaking obvious we are short on players who make game winning plays.
That's the margin of error, not DJ fumbling in the opening minutes.
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... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
Isn't that what I basically said...?
I was furthering your point
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
I have to hand it to you. No matter how consistently wrong you have been over the years, you keep posting that you are right and everyone else is wrong. The team keeps losing, and you keep doubling down on how good everything is.
Your arrogance is completely unearned. Few posters on this board have been as consistently wrong as you about this team over the last 5-10 years. You should go back to looking for trolls. It was the only entertainment value you provided.
No they are just idiots
I lean toward letting him go however it will be interesting to see if they didn't have Jones try passes because lack of confidence in him - or the Receivers.
Again a huge dropped pass by Slayton.
Even on a running play - James running into Barkley (remember Sterling saying guys don't know the plays?).
The Dallas game - Jones made a bad pass but Barkley still muffed the pass.
How much confidence do you have in the Receiving core? It's like a wasted play considering overall the OL is better at RB though that wasn't the case in this game I believe but still that is their strength too.
Delete this. It’s embarrassing.
No it isn't. Reasonable question. I want them to let him go and I agree. Between bad play selection and half-assed effort by Barkley there wasn't a whole lot he could have done.
and the long pass to Slayton should have won the game... it has in his hands and caught, until it wasn't (he seemed to lose it as he was gathering it into his body as he fell to the ground)... BUT Jones did his part on that play.
overall, this is not about one person (despite the many posts to the contrary)... this is about a team that isn't good enough yet and is dealing with injuries.
Whatever happens going forward with JOnes happens... I will leave that up to the brass. I could see it going either way next year... but NONE OF IT MATTERS if we don't improve the team in other areas (O Line, receivers, LBers)
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All week all we heard was “this is the biggest game of Jones’s career.” He doesn’t play well in it and the response is “not his fault they lost” despite the fact that they gained one net yard for most of the second half?
This loss is not on Daniel Jones alone. But at what point do we start saying “Daniel Jones put this team on his back and carried them to a win?”
He simply isn’t that kind of player. He‘ll play competently most weeks and give you a chance to stay in a game if you can run the ball effectively and play really good defense. There are 20-30 of those guys in the league. If the Giants offer him a contract I think it will be through that lease.
He takes his hand of the ball to brace himself for contact with the ground. A quality receiver will tuck that ball away instead of protecting himself. It’s a shame but we’ve seen this from him before. We need receiver help badly.
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was really efficient and yet you'll have several people post all week long about how he really wasn't efficient and that he should be replaced.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
l
How can you asses a QB with no receivers. I’ll never get it.
How does any qb from non-blueblood schools without high level talent ever get evaluated and drafted then?
but that is a far cry from how others here view him - dissecting every play to seemingly prove he is the worst QB ever to play the position.
I am confident the Giants know what they have and will make a decision re: Jones based on what type of QB they want for the long term and what alternatives there are.
and the other thing I am confident in is that no matter what happens, there will be a contingent of people who will be upset and we will be debating about the next QB who they bring in. sports debate is getting to be like politics.
Over the middle to Slayton. Not a perfect throw but Slayton really should have hung on. Acceptable pass from Jones.
Over the middle to Sills. This is a bread and butter play for NFL QBs. Jones throws behind Sills, eliminating any chance of YAC. Sills bails Jones out with a quality catch. Again, the WR corps helping out Jones.
Finally, right sideline to Slayton. Jones misses. (I didn’t think the WFT DB interfered with Slayton, btw.)
So 4 normal downfield throws by Jones. Any of these look great to you? No. Most backup QBs can complete dinky short throws all day long. The star QBs can hit the target across the whole field. Jones is a backup, although a quality backup, for sure.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
He had 136 passing yards for the game. That's isn't winning football. Anyone can have a high completion percentage if they are dinking and dunking. When McNabb did it BBI called him McDink and McDunk. When Jones does it BBI says he is efficient.
and the long pass to Slayton should have won the game... it has in his hands and caught, until it wasn't (he seemed to lose it as he was gathering it into his body as he fell to the ground)... BUT Jones did his part on that play.
overall, this is not about one person (despite the many posts to the contrary)... this is about a team that isn't good enough yet and is dealing with injuries.
Whatever happens going forward with JOnes happens... I will leave that up to the brass. I could see it going either way next year... but NONE OF IT MATTERS if we don't improve the team in other areas (O Line, receivers, LBers)
Agreed
Why doesn't the one and only throw the ball out in front of the receiver for once so the receiver can run under it since Slayton had his man beat- (you know a receiver with "separation")? I mean we've been told over and over again what a great deep ball passer he is, and all you ever see is Slayton trying to make circus catches on balls that are short or behind him. But you know, since the one and only threw the ball and it was in the vicinity of the receiver, the receiver must catch it no matter own wobbly, short, long, high, or contested the one and only makes the play. Circus catches should not be a regular requirement of receivers.
Jones does nothing that Mineshew or Brissett or a dozen other qb's can't do for less money. Giving him a great receiver is like trying to shovel flies across the room. End the experiment and send him on his way.
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and I have yet to see anyone here calling him elite or suggesting he get a max contract. Most reasonable posters would love to see an upgrade but in the absence of that, feel like Jones can be a decent QB if he had a decent supporting cast, no more no less.
(and if that is the way the Giants pay him , I am ok with that)
Great QBs will throw passes of that caliber. Great WRs will miss catches like that sometimes. It's a normal play. It's just that our offense is so anemic that if we don't cash in on every opportunity it leaves us in a tough spot.
Let me just add some context. My very first thread on BBI expressed my disappoint that Eli never seemed to be able to hit a guy in stride, deep. I almost got run off the board for being a troll. Almost every response was that Eli was great because he could throw that long back-shoulder ball, you know, the one that often looks like it's thrown too short and you get contested catches.
Over the middle to Slayton. Not a perfect throw but Slayton really should have hung on. Acceptable pass from Jones.
Over the middle to Sills. This is a bread and butter play for NFL QBs. Jones throws behind Sills, eliminating any chance of YAC. Sills bails Jones out with a quality catch. Again, the WR corps helping out Jones.
Finally, right sideline to Slayton. Jones misses. (I didn’t think the WFT DB interfered with Slayton, btw.)
So 4 normal downfield throws by Jones. Any of these look great to you? No. Most backup QBs can complete dinky short throws all day long. The star QBs can hit the target across the whole field. Jones is a backup, although a quality backup, for sure.
First, the long pass to Slayton was a perfectly good pass.
Second, you ignore many of the other good throws. For instance, on the throw to James in OT, he rips it to James before he is out of his cut and puts it right between two defenders. The play showed everything the anti Jones crowd claims he does not have -- Arm strength, throwing people open, letting it rip without the receiver clearly being open. It was a fantastic throw and probably his best of the day.
What?! It was short? How do you see that? If it was short he wouldn't have jumped backwards for the ball.
He's leading him to the inside. I think he definitely could have run under the ball. The problem is as we all know that Slayton's ball skills are below average and one of the main things that has held him back. It's not far fetched to conclude this is another example of this.
Finally, Cross said on the radio broadcast that the pass was perfect. I'll take his word as a former player.
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was really efficient and yet you'll have several people post all week long about how he really wasn't efficient and that he should be replaced.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
l
How can you asses a QB with no receivers. I’ll never get it.
So do you give him a massive contract because you're unable to "asses" his play due to the lack of receivers?
You fanboys always miss the point. DJ is a free agent after this season. His value will need to be determined no matter how bad (or not) his receivers are.
I don't think Jones is all that awesome, but I think he has some pretty decent skills and with the combo of additional time with this coaching staff and an upgraded roster (I think all of BBI agrees we need a better O Line & receivers regardless of what anyone thinks of DJ), I think he is a starter in this league.
Can't really say that about Mineshew or Brissett.
Second, you ignore many of the other good throws. For instance, on the throw to James in OT, he rips it to James before he is out of his cut and puts it right between two defenders. The play showed everything the anti Jones crowd claims he does not have -- Arm strength, throwing people open, letting it rip without the receiver clearly being open. It was a fantastic throw and probably his best of the day.
That was a good throw. I wouldn't use it as this great example to demonstrate Jones's arm talent, but it was a good throw, catch, and actually good coverage by McCain and Curl.
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Second, you ignore many of the other good throws. For instance, on the throw to James in OT, he rips it to James before he is out of his cut and puts it right between two defenders. The play showed everything the anti Jones crowd claims he does not have -- Arm strength, throwing people open, letting it rip without the receiver clearly being open. It was a fantastic throw and probably his best of the day.
That was a good throw. I wouldn't use it as this great example to demonstrate Jones's arm talent, but it was a good throw, catch, and actually good coverage by McCain and Curl.
Cmon Man. To put it between two defenders there required very good velo and perfect ball placement.
and I have yet to see anyone here calling him elite or suggesting he get a max contract. Most reasonable posters would love to see an upgrade but in the absence of that, feel like Jones can be a decent QB if he had a decent supporting cast, no more no less.
(and if that is the way the Giants pay him , I am ok with that)
Agreed again... lol
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It doesn’t appear Slayton could have kept running. The ball was short. . - ( New Window )
What?! It was short? How do you see that? If it was short he wouldn't have jumped backwards for the ball.
He's leading him to the inside. I think he definitely could have run under the ball. The problem is as we all know that Slayton's ball skills are below average and one of the main things that has held him back. It's not far fetched to conclude this is another example of this.
Finally, Cross said on the radio broadcast that the pass was perfect. I'll take his word as a former player.
100% agree…..In my opinion anyone who calls that a “bad pass” has an anti Jones agenda they need to keep firing up.
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It doesn’t appear Slayton could have kept running. The ball was short. . - ( New Window )
What?! It was short? How do you see that? If it was short he wouldn't have jumped backwards for the ball.
He's leading him to the inside. I think he definitely could have run under the ball. The problem is as we all know that Slayton's ball skills are below average and one of the main things that has held him back. It's not far fetched to conclude this is another example of this.
Finally, Cross said on the radio broadcast that the pass was perfect. I'll take his word as a former player.
Slayton stops his route to jump for the ball. If Slayton keeps running that balls not dropping in over his shoulder.
When and where did Sy call that 55 yard pass to Slayton bad? Show me…
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Has an anti Jones agenda? People have different opinions.
When and where did Sy call that 55 yard pass to Slayton bad? Show me…
That was a good throw. I wouldn't use it as this great example to demonstrate Jones's arm talent, but it was a good throw, catch, and actually good coverage by McCain and Curl.
Cmon Man. To put it between two defenders there required very good velo and perfect ball placement.
Let's not get pretend we were looking at Mahomes falling backwards and sticking a ball 20 yards downfield to Kelce between two safeties. It was a good throw by Jones. A ten-yard completion between the hashes.
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Has an anti Jones agenda? People have different opinions.
When and where did Sy call that 55 yard pass to Slayton bad? Show me…
And Cross said it was perfectly thrown on the radio broacdcast. SOrry, but I really disagree with Sy on this
Jones leaves yards on the field and opts for the shorter, low risk plays.
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Indeed. And on the taunting penalty against Feliciano, the other play mentioned as a reason we didn't win, we still had the ball 1st and ten from the 50.
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They had three more downs to play and didn't get it done.
Indeed. And on the taunting penalty against Feliciano, the other play mentioned as a reason we didn't win, we still had the ball 1st and ten from the 50.
Razor thin margins in the manner they have to play with minimal playmakers and vanilla gameplans. When they don't capitalize on the few opportunities they get, then time starts running out on them.
Hate this offense.