and win the game today, can you mention 2 plays where a superior QB would have done that? Please spare me the early fumble that cost 3 points, I've seen all the elite guys do worse than that.
Held onto the ball way too long. This is a silly exercise. He’s a free agent after the season. Maybe you are comfortable giving him a $100M contract, but he hasn’t earned that in the least.
a staff that has confidence in him in big moments. The play before the half. Not going for it in 4th down in OT. It's pretty clear this staff has been hoping he doesn't lose games for them all season instead of seeing if he can win those games.
Why in the world do so many people focus on one G*d*mn position on the offense. Our receivers are back up level. Our current best receiver is a JAG who was almost cut from the team. Luckily for him (and really now US) injuries kept him on the team. Glowinski and Feliciano are awful and our TEs are beaten literally every other play in the blocking scheme giving at least one rusher free paths to the QB almost every play. Our best skill players on offense are Jones and Barkley, it's not even a question.
Every week the DJ fanboys tell us how it's a 9, 8, 7, 6 game tryout, and how he'll earn his big contract next year. T6he tell us how it's the biggest game of his career and how he'll win a big game...but he does basically nothing.
Then, when DJ throws for 136 yards in 4 quarters, has 5 opportunities to do anything to win a game, and fails...its on the GM, WRs, Oline, Saquon...anyone but the guy who has the same lackluster production EVERY WEEK.
To answer your question..if, and hopefully when, the Giants get a new QB, we'll run an offense that isn't dumbed down and dink and dunk. We'll have coaches and coordinators that trust their QB to make plays...not scheme for a average QB not to lose. They'll hopefully have a QB the defense respects, and wont be able to put 8 (or more) in the box....and when they do, have a QB that can hurt them for trying to stop the run.
This offense is a joke...and it starts with the QB in every way!
Held onto the ball way too long. This is a silly exercise. He’s a free agent after the season. Maybe you are comfortable giving him a $100M contract, but he hasn’t earned that in the least.
Sean unless you have access to the all 22, that s a hard determination to make
I have nothing against Jones, in fact I think a lot of BBIers
would think I'm in the Jones fan club. However one thing is starting to bug me. Jones is overly cautious, but that I mean he is checking down really quickly instead of taking a chance. Its not an issue that he can't read the field, he can, he's just not a gunslinger. In Daboll's presser he mentioned that on some of those conservative calls we were complaining about, they had actually something else dialed up but Jones saw the initial coverage and checked down. For example the 3rd and 1 at the end of the half. Daboll specifically mentioned they had Barkley on a wheel route but Jones went away instead of trying it. I remember that play because I saw Barkley sort of open too. I'm not one of these guys to rewind every play in slo-mo and say "Look here" like its Madden, there are bullets flying out there, but he was open enough for me to notice on my TV.
I think this is an issue for Daboll, he probably wants him to take more shots.
we're going to know what they think this offseason...
he did not step up big in a big game at all -- and the early fumble was unexcusable and avoidable and set a bad tone for the game, and just one more reason he was Meh
He had an okay game. 25/31, 200 yards, 1 TD and 70 on the ground is good, the fumble is brutal cause we have no margin for error. The slayton drop hurts his statline, but thats slayton.
Are you saying he stepped up big? If DJ stepping up big is a tie then I want out.
would think I'm in the Jones fan club. However one thing is starting to bug me. Jones is overly cautious, but that I mean he is checking down really quickly instead of taking a chance. Its not an issue that he can't read the field, he can, he's just not a gunslinger. In Daboll's presser he mentioned that on some of those conservative calls we were complaining about, they had actually something else dialed up but Jones saw the initial coverage and checked down. For example the 3rd and 1 at the end of the half. Daboll specifically mentioned they had Barkley on a wheel route but Jones went away instead of trying it. I remember that play because I saw Barkley sort of open too. I'm not one of these guys to rewind every play in slo-mo and say "Look here" like its Madden, there are bullets flying out there, but he was open enough for me to notice on my TV.
I think this is an issue for Daboll, he probably wants him to take more shots.
you can't be a gun slinger if you have no bullets. Someone mentioned having back up quality WR's. We have 1 backup
quality WR and the rest practice squad quality. The worst in the NFL
he did not step up big in a big game at all -- and the early fumble was unexcusable and avoidable and set a bad tone for the game, and just one more reason he was Meh
He makes ZERO plus plays... He provides ZERO edge.
would think I'm in the Jones fan club. However one thing is starting to bug me. Jones is overly cautious, but that I mean he is checking down really quickly instead of taking a chance. Its not an issue that he can't read the field, he can, he's just not a gunslinger. In Daboll's presser he mentioned that on some of those conservative calls we were complaining about, they had actually something else dialed up but Jones saw the initial coverage and checked down. For example the 3rd and 1 at the end of the half. Daboll specifically mentioned they had Barkley on a wheel route but Jones went away instead of trying it. I remember that play because I saw Barkley sort of open too. I'm not one of these guys to rewind every play in slo-mo and say "Look here" like its Madden, there are bullets flying out there, but he was open enough for me to notice on my TV.
I think this is an issue for Daboll, he probably wants him to take more shots.
you can't be a gun slinger if you have no bullets. Someone mentioned having back up quality WR's. We have 1 backup
quality WR and the rest practice squad quality. The worst in the NFL
But he'd not even trying (Slayton aside). You need to try it if its there. I just think he's checking down to the safe route too quickly. Look whatever it is, its not working. So why not try throwing it a little more aggressively
he did not step up big in a big game at all -- and the early fumble was unexcusable and avoidable and set a bad tone for the game, and just one more reason he was Meh
It’s a lot of “meh” with him. He makes some great plays:
-The run on 3rd down to convert and ultimately throw a TD was fantastic.
-Made some real nice throws to Slayton including the drop.
-Always a weapon with his legs.
But, it’s just not enough. Every QB makes a few nice plays every game. Imagine the reaction here if Jones made the play Heinicke made on 4th & 4 to extend the game?
... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
Did Slayton drop it? You make the call…. Drop? Or not? - ( New Window )
What's amazing to me, is how many people seem to be saying that was such a tough catch. He NEEDS to make that catch. End of story. It just amazes me how people come out of the woodwork to bash the QB after every game when it's pretty freaking obvious we are short on players who make game winning plays.
... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
was not the problem today. As I said, with all the running he does, a few fumbles a year are to be expected. He has very much reduced his turnovers.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
was not the problem today. As I said, with all the running he does, a few fumbles a year are to be expected. He has very much reduced his turnovers.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones ran the ball very well. And he certainly wasn't the problem in the first half.
But in the second half, he just didn't make enough plays to put the game away or win it in OT.
was not the problem today. As I said, with all the running he does, a few fumbles a year are to be expected. He has very much reduced his turnovers.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones ran the ball very well. And he certainly wasn't the problem in the first half.
But in the second half, he just didn't make enough plays to put the game away or win it in OT.
165 yards on the ground. Jones is the leading rusher? This isn’t on Jones folks.
The defense was the only reason they were able to come away with a tie. They held Washington to 7 second half points despite the offense having one drive that went longer than 5 plays (which didn’t come until 2 minutes left in overtime). They were responsible for the only points the Giants scored in the second half. If it wasn’t for the fumble I’m not sure they would have scored in the second half.
Vs Washington giving up 4.9. The problem? Washington ran 82 miles plays to the Giants 65 plays. Washington was 3-14 on third down, compared to the Giants 4-13. The defense wasn’t the problem today.
penalty against Feliciano was correct IMO. At a minimum, it was defensible. But as someone else correctly noted in another thread, we were still at the 50 with a first down even after the penalty. We only needed another 20 yards to get within Gano's range, but the offense couldn't even do that. Aside from the short TD to open the half, it was just an endless series of three and outs. An even minimally competent offense makes that penalty moot.
Did Slayton drop it? You make the call…. Drop? Or not? - ( New Window )
What's amazing to me, is how many people seem to be saying that was such a tough catch. He NEEDS to make that catch. End of story. It just amazes me how people come out of the woodwork to bash the QB after every game when it's pretty freaking obvious we are short on players who make game winning plays.
That's the margin of error, not DJ fumbling in the opening minutes.
... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
was really efficient and yet you'll have several people post all week long about how he really wasn't efficient and that he should be replaced.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
I have to hand it to you. No matter how consistently wrong you have been over the years, you keep posting that you are right and everyone else is wrong. The team keeps losing, and you keep doubling down on how good everything is.
Your arrogance is completely unearned. Few posters on this board have been as consistently wrong as you about this team over the last 5-10 years. You should go back to looking for trolls. It was the only entertainment value you provided.
a staff that has confidence in him in big moments. The play before the half. Not going for it in 4th down in OT. It's pretty clear this staff has been hoping he doesn't lose games for them all season instead of seeing if he can win those games.
I lean toward letting him go however it will be interesting to see if they didn't have Jones try passes because lack of confidence in him - or the Receivers.
Again a huge dropped pass by Slayton.
Even on a running play - James running into Barkley (remember Sterling saying guys don't know the plays?).
The Dallas game - Jones made a bad pass but Barkley still muffed the pass.
How much confidence do you have in the Receiving core? It's like a wasted play considering overall the OL is better at RB though that wasn't the case in this game I believe but still that is their strength too.
“Prove to a true believer that their closely held belief is wrong with a hypothetical opinion”
Delete this. It’s embarrassing.
No it isn't. Reasonable question. I want them to let him go and I agree. Between bad play selection and half-assed effort by Barkley there wasn't a whole lot he could have done.
down the stretch, JOnes made the throw that put us in FG range and then Feliciano screwed us with his flexing.
and the long pass to Slayton should have won the game... it has in his hands and caught, until it wasn't (he seemed to lose it as he was gathering it into his body as he fell to the ground)... BUT Jones did his part on that play.
overall, this is not about one person (despite the many posts to the contrary)... this is about a team that isn't good enough yet and is dealing with injuries.
Whatever happens going forward with JOnes happens... I will leave that up to the brass. I could see it going either way next year... but NONE OF IT MATTERS if we don't improve the team in other areas (O Line, receivers, LBers)
#FireKafka
Then, when DJ throws for 136 yards in 4 quarters, has 5 opportunities to do anything to win a game, and fails...its on the GM, WRs, Oline, Saquon...anyone but the guy who has the same lackluster production EVERY WEEK.
To answer your question..if, and hopefully when, the Giants get a new QB, we'll run an offense that isn't dumbed down and dink and dunk. We'll have coaches and coordinators that trust their QB to make plays...not scheme for a average QB not to lose. They'll hopefully have a QB the defense respects, and wont be able to put 8 (or more) in the box....and when they do, have a QB that can hurt them for trying to stop the run.
This offense is a joke...and it starts with the QB in every way!
Enjoy your 5 game tryout...0 for 4 so far!
Delete this. It’s embarrassing.
When did we give up a 4th and 21? It was 4th and 4 and they completed a 21 yard pass. Totally different.
Deep pass to slayton that he drops - not unexpected because he’s near the league top in drops
Incomplete along the right sideline to slayton - if It were a more accurate pass it would’ve drawn PI
I’ll advised throw that was a dropped interception
People complained about the play calling that drive - but these plays are executed by average offenses
Sean unless you have access to the all 22, that s a hard determination to make
I think this is an issue for Daboll, he probably wants him to take more shots.
We could all agree Jones is the future, only to see the FO disagree. They see everything. We see only the end result on gamedays.
Are you saying he stepped up big? If DJ stepping up big is a tie then I want out.
Daniel Jones Über Alles!
I think this is an issue for Daboll, he probably wants him to take more shots.
you can't be a gun slinger if you have no bullets. Someone mentioned having back up quality WR's. We have 1 backup
quality WR and the rest practice squad quality. The worst in the NFL
He makes ZERO plus plays... He provides ZERO edge.
Drop? Or not? - ( New Window )
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would think I'm in the Jones fan club. However one thing is starting to bug me. Jones is overly cautious, but that I mean he is checking down really quickly instead of taking a chance. Its not an issue that he can't read the field, he can, he's just not a gunslinger. In Daboll's presser he mentioned that on some of those conservative calls we were complaining about, they had actually something else dialed up but Jones saw the initial coverage and checked down. For example the 3rd and 1 at the end of the half. Daboll specifically mentioned they had Barkley on a wheel route but Jones went away instead of trying it. I remember that play because I saw Barkley sort of open too. I'm not one of these guys to rewind every play in slo-mo and say "Look here" like its Madden, there are bullets flying out there, but he was open enough for me to notice on my TV.
I think this is an issue for Daboll, he probably wants him to take more shots.
you can't be a gun slinger if you have no bullets. Someone mentioned having back up quality WR's. We have 1 backup
quality WR and the rest practice squad quality. The worst in the NFL
But he'd not even trying (Slayton aside). You need to try it if its there. I just think he's checking down to the safe route too quickly. Look whatever it is, its not working. So why not try throwing it a little more aggressively
It’s a lot of “meh” with him. He makes some great plays:
-The run on 3rd down to convert and ultimately throw a TD was fantastic.
-Made some real nice throws to Slayton including the drop.
-Always a weapon with his legs.
But, it’s just not enough. Every QB makes a few nice plays every game. Imagine the reaction here if Jones made the play Heinicke made on 4th & 4 to extend the game?
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
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... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
What's amazing to me, is how many people seem to be saying that was such a tough catch. He NEEDS to make that catch. End of story. It just amazes me how people come out of the woodwork to bash the QB after every game when it's pretty freaking obvious we are short on players who make game winning plays.
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
I want Jones launched to the moon, but that was completely on Slayton
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
How can you asses a QB with no receivers. I’ll never get it.
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... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
Isn't that what I basically said...?
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones ran the ball very well. And he certainly wasn't the problem in the first half.
But in the second half, he just didn't make enough plays to put the game away or win it in OT.
Unfortunately, the official decided that a guy flexing was more important than the catch.
But carry on with the narrative about not making plays. It's what you do.
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was not the problem today. As I said, with all the running he does, a few fumbles a year are to be expected. He has very much reduced his turnovers.
Jones often has a lot of completions for comparatively few yards because aside from a few deep throws to Slayton most of our passing game is screens, quick outs, and short throws in the flat. Jones makes very few throws to the second level. The OL simply can't protect long enough for him to make those latter throws, at least not regularly.
Jones has his limitations, but the interior of the OL and the WRs are a much bigger problem.
Jones ran the ball very well. And he certainly wasn't the problem in the first half.
But in the second half, he just didn't make enough plays to put the game away or win it in OT.
Giants win if he catches this…..
Slayton drop - ( New Window )
The defense was the only reason they were able to come away with a tie. They held Washington to 7 second half points despite the offense having one drive that went longer than 5 plays (which didn’t come until 2 minutes left in overtime). They were responsible for the only points the Giants scored in the second half. If it wasn’t for the fumble I’m not sure they would have scored in the second half.
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Did Slayton drop it? You make the call…. Drop? Or not? - ( New Window )
What's amazing to me, is how many people seem to be saying that was such a tough catch. He NEEDS to make that catch. End of story. It just amazes me how people come out of the woodwork to bash the QB after every game when it's pretty freaking obvious we are short on players who make game winning plays.
That's the margin of error, not DJ fumbling in the opening minutes.
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... I thought he played really well given the play calling and what he had to work with at WR
Jones played pretty well in the first half. And I gave him a pass for the fumble. He was trying to make a play with his legs and the defense forced the fumble with a good play.
But outside the great field position per the Heinicke fumble, which led to the TD pass to Hodgins (who ran a great route), Jones was not up to the task in the second half.
THe LBs helmet hits the ball flush. I don't see how that's on DJ. The LB made a good play. It's the type of play that often results in a fumble.
Isn't that what I basically said...?
I was furthering your point
Hundreds of posts and hours of time discussing it.
And instead of realizing they are wasting hours of their lives, they will try to convince you that their QB assessments are spot on.
I have to hand it to you. No matter how consistently wrong you have been over the years, you keep posting that you are right and everyone else is wrong. The team keeps losing, and you keep doubling down on how good everything is.
Your arrogance is completely unearned. Few posters on this board have been as consistently wrong as you about this team over the last 5-10 years. You should go back to looking for trolls. It was the only entertainment value you provided.
No they are just idiots
I lean toward letting him go however it will be interesting to see if they didn't have Jones try passes because lack of confidence in him - or the Receivers.
Again a huge dropped pass by Slayton.
Even on a running play - James running into Barkley (remember Sterling saying guys don't know the plays?).
The Dallas game - Jones made a bad pass but Barkley still muffed the pass.
How much confidence do you have in the Receiving core? It's like a wasted play considering overall the OL is better at RB though that wasn't the case in this game I believe but still that is their strength too.
Delete this. It’s embarrassing.
No it isn't. Reasonable question. I want them to let him go and I agree. Between bad play selection and half-assed effort by Barkley there wasn't a whole lot he could have done.
and the long pass to Slayton should have won the game... it has in his hands and caught, until it wasn't (he seemed to lose it as he was gathering it into his body as he fell to the ground)... BUT Jones did his part on that play.
overall, this is not about one person (despite the many posts to the contrary)... this is about a team that isn't good enough yet and is dealing with injuries.
Whatever happens going forward with JOnes happens... I will leave that up to the brass. I could see it going either way next year... but NONE OF IT MATTERS if we don't improve the team in other areas (O Line, receivers, LBers)