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How good can Giants defense be next year?

CMicks3110 : 12/4/2022 8:23 pm
D-Line looks monstrous.

Lets say we add a fast MLB, re-sign Love; add a corner, and depth along the d-line, and we're in really really good shape.
I also would love someone with more talent to fill the Jihad Ward role  
CMicks3110 : 12/4/2022 8:24 pm : link
Ward has been a solid player, but if you add a stud there, I think that makes a pretty big difference.
Gonna be tough to invest in the defense  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 8:28 pm : link
if they waste big money on DJ.
RE: Gonna be tough to invest in the defense  
BigBlueJ : 12/4/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15933043 GMen72 said:
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if they waste big money on DJ.


Not sure what u mean? We take a high draft for CB... ILB are cheap as help and depth in the safety position. I think we aer in good shape
I think this defense will be much better  
Mike from Ohio : 12/4/2022 8:29 pm : link
Because I expect Thibs to start making some of these plays he is really close on this year. He is about an aggregate 2 seconds away from being all-rookie this year.
If we keep trending this way  
Giantimistic : 12/4/2022 8:33 pm : link
And make the right LB additions we are a top 10 defense. Some of our starters this year may be next years depth as well.
RE: Gonna be tough to invest in the defense  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15933043 GMen72 said:
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if they waste big money on DJ.


You are pathetic. Add in Barkley and all the fucking WR's we need..
I think it should be  
JerrysKids : 12/4/2022 8:37 pm : link
much better, it needs to be much better. Need linebackers desperately. get another edge rusher if possible. Depth.
RE: RE: Gonna be tough to invest in the defense  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15933046 BigBlueJ said:
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In comment 15933043 GMen72 said:


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if they waste big money on DJ.



Not sure what u mean? We take a high draft for CB... ILB are cheap as help and depth in the safety position. I think we aer in good shape


The Giants don't have enough picks to fix this team...and really wont get difference makers after the 4th to 5th round. Gonna need cap space to sign FAs.
RE: RE: Gonna be tough to invest in the defense  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15933060 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15933043 GMen72 said:


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if they waste big money on DJ.



You are pathetic. Add in Barkley and all the fucking WR's we need..


Pathetic would be tagging DJ for $45 million...or even signing him for $25 million, or more, per year.
RE: Gonna be tough to invest in the defense  
Angel Eyes : 12/4/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15933043 GMen72 said:
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if they waste big money on DJ.

Do you need to bring up Jones in every thread?
They desperately need a good run clogging lineman  
greatgrandpa : 12/4/2022 8:44 pm : link
And a run clogging LB (the kid at Arkansas?) If you can’t stop the run you gets lots of second and shorts and the other guys are always ahead of the sticks. Defense stays on the field, defense tires late and big plays happen against you.
I also like that kid Kincaid TE at Utah. Reminds me so much of Bavaria .
RE: They desperately need a good run clogging lineman  
allstarjim : 12/4/2022 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15933084 greatgrandpa said:
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And a run clogging LB (the kid at Arkansas?) If you can’t stop the run you gets lots of second and shorts and the other guys are always ahead of the sticks. Defense stays on the field, defense tires late and big plays happen against you.
I also like that kid Kincaid TE at Utah. Reminds me so much of Bavaria .


Both Lawrence and Leonard Williams are excellent vs the run.

I think where they suffer on run defense is at LB.
Defense is trending up  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2022 9:22 pm : link
Keep drafting well, there are several good building blocks.
Pretty damn good I think  
Jerry in_DC : 12/4/2022 9:27 pm : link
Obviously the DBs were thin to begin with and non existent now. But we can get after QBs, have a good coach, and generally kick ass up front - thats a good place to build from.
They better do soemthing to stop the runs up the middle, the Giants  
Jack Stroud : 12/4/2022 11:19 pm : link
once again got gashed in the middle. Robinson getting around the corner so much took away from seeing what was happening in the middle of defense.
I wouldn’t put much at corner  
WillVAB : 12/5/2022 2:04 am : link
The Giants have been making it work with street FA’s.

Must haves are stud MLB and quality interior DL depth. Whenever LW or DL is off the field it’s noticeable. I’d add another quality edge as well over CB.
RE: I also would love someone with more talent to fill the Jihad Ward role  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:38 am : link
In comment 15933030 CMicks3110 said:
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Ward has been a solid player, but if you add a stud there, I think that makes a pretty big difference.


Yes - provided that you "hit" the 2 picks. IN order to ensure you hit the 2 picks you are drafting one in at worst 2nd rd and 1 in 3rd round.

The Giants need two WR's. And how about Jones? You want him even if you have to overpay? And what about Barkley? Even if you have to overpay?

What about IOL as well? Every pick you go after round 3, it's bust potential.
Upper tier next year  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 6:58 am : link
with a shot to moving to elite status. Just look at the front. Four guys who all have the ability to get after the QB ranging from very good to elite. One of the top DT tandems in the league. High quality safety tandem. Very good corner.

Then all these young players getting playing time with injuries getting experience and development.

Holding teams to around 20 pts for the year. Wink said when he came here that he wanted to make teams one dimensional. They need ILB's (and they were high on the IR'd rookie) and depth. Imagine how good they can be when Wink takes the run away with this front and still much more potential in the secondary.
The key to this defense  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/5/2022 8:30 am : link
Is signing either Tremaine Edmunds or Lavonte David. Adding another good CB as well but ILB is the most important position for them to fill right now. Run defense will go from poor/mediocre to elite with good talent at ILB.
Giants need to invest  
JB_in_DC : 12/5/2022 9:08 am : link
millions in a staff to keep Ojulari's calves in top condition. Did not expect that performance - great job by him.
They still need  
David B. : 12/5/2022 10:34 am : link
STARTING CALIBRE LBs and CBs. More than are on the current roster.

It also wouldn't hurt to add another pass rusher or two. Ojulari and Thibodeax will get better (if they can stay on the field long enough together), but no one's confusing them for Osi or JPP and Tuck at the moment. They're getting a lot of ALMOST sacks.

And there's a bunch of guys on the current D roster that NEVER play. Like Ellerson Smith, Aaron Robinson, Rodarius Williams. They need to move on from them and find guys who can actually contribute.
RE: They still need  
Angel Eyes : 12/5/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15933829 David B. said:
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STARTING CALIBRE LBs and CBs. More than are on the current roster.

It also wouldn't hurt to add another pass rusher or two. Ojulari and Thibodeax will get better (if they can stay on the field long enough together), but no one's confusing them for Osi or JPP and Tuck at the moment. They're getting a lot of ALMOST sacks.

And there's a bunch of guys on the current D roster that NEVER play. Like Ellerson Smith, Aaron Robinson, Rodarius Williams. They need to move on from them and find guys who can actually contribute.

As far as the "almost" sacks are concerned, this is a problem I've had with Wink; his defenses tend to have a low amount of sacks and the Giants teams that have done well don't almost get there, they do get there.
Add talent to the DL, ILB, CB  
JonC : 12/5/2022 5:13 pm : link
That's potentially 5-6 new players to a good, young core.
I’m glad the Giants didn’t get too cute and pass on Thibodeaux  
Sean : 12/5/2022 5:15 pm : link
They overthought it the year before passing on Parsons. All that talk about Thibs “passion for the game”, give Schoen/Daboll credit for taking him at 5. I really think he can be a star here.
depends, how starters will be out with torn ACLs  
mfsd : 12/5/2022 5:16 pm : link
by week 6?
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