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Saquon Barkley

Sean : 12/4/2022 9:00 pm
I thought today was a telling performance from Barkley. It wasn’t bad, and his vision on the TD run was impressive. But, watching Brian Robinson run for WAS, I thought he was the better back today.

Barkley was single handedly winning games earlier this season. He hasn’t been the same. In addition there are way too many negative plays. Losing 3 yards on a first down happens too often with him and the offense can’t overcome it.

And if Barkley is banged up, that’s a different problem.
Can’t hold a sea of defenders in the backfield against him  
OBJ_AllDay : 12/4/2022 9:02 pm : link
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Like Barkley a Lot But...  
mvftw : 12/4/2022 9:03 pm : link
I don't see him here next year...at the end of the day...it's just good Business...
The loss plays  
djm : 12/4/2022 9:06 pm : link
He was demolished right away. I can’t put those plays on Barkley.

Brian Robison had better lanes to run through. He’s not a better player than Barkley. We didn’t run block for shit today.
RE: The loss plays  
AcidTest : 12/4/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15933141 djm said:
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He was demolished right away. I can’t put those plays on Barkley.

Brian Robison had better lanes to run through. He’s not a better player than Barkley. We didn’t run block for shit today.


^This, although teams play a lot of eight man boxes against us because our WRs are so poor. We couldn't do that against Washington because they have at least three NFL caliber WRs, along with Logan Thomas, a serviceable TE.

I still don't understand why Brightwell and Breida get so few touches.
Robinson is a higher floor runningback  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2022 9:13 pm : link
Than Saqoun. He’s such a physical runner he’s nearly always going to pick up the 1-3 yard gains and is rarely going to lose yards because he’s an always going north to south. But he doesn’t have the ceiling that Barkley brings with the game breaking potential, at least not yet.
Barkley is a dynamic rusher if he has a big hole  
JerrysKids : 12/4/2022 9:17 pm : link
His explosion and cutting is great, no hole to run through he is the worst running back in the game. He doesn't push a pile, he doesn't break tackles, he runs very soft unless he sees a big hole. No use for a player like that.
Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2022 9:25 pm : link
Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .
Barkley’s first catch of OT..  
Sean : 12/4/2022 9:29 pm : link
where he bulldozed the defender was great to see. That’s how he needs to run.
RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
outeiroj : 12/4/2022 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15933181 jvm52106 said:
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .


Care to share your evaluation process?

Oh, thats right, it's merely just a poorly formed opinion nevermind.
RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15933181 jvm52106 said:
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .


The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.
RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/4/2022 9:36 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.


Who is dumb? How many yards did Barkley have in the second half? Does Jones need to pick him up and carry him too?
RE: RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 9:43 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.



Who is dumb? How many yards did Barkley have in the second half? Does Jones need to pick him up and carry him too?


DJ carrying anything offensive? That's funny! The reason Saquon struggles is because defenses have no respect for DJ. Keep focusing on SB, but ignore that your man-crush had 136 yards passing in 4 quarters against 8 in the box.

Let the excuses flow...
RE: RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 9:44 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.



Who is dumb? How many yards did Barkley have in the second half? Does Jones need to pick him up and carry him too?


Also, smarty...how many yards did DJ throw for in the 2nd half?
RE: Like Barkley a Lot But...  
Mark from Jersey : 12/4/2022 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15933132 mvftw said:
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I don't see him here next year...at the end of the day...it's just good Business...
Same.
RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
Mark from Jersey : 12/4/2022 9:48 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



Care to share your evaluation process?

Oh, thats right, it's merely just a poorly formed opinion nevermind.
No, he is right. Barkley is turning his back when he is getting hit.
RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2022 9:50 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



Care to share your evaluation process?

Oh, thats right, it's merely just a poorly formed opinion nevermind.


Ok fanboy .
RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2022 9:51 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.


See how you turn any argument against Jones. I am talking Barkley, and your relentless campaign to bring Jones into every argument is pathetic .
What is Barkley's yards after contact?  
kelly : 12/4/2022 9:56 pm : link
Does anyone have that?

I rarely see him make years after contact. He runs soft.
Not sure why it often  
Hades07 : 12/4/2022 9:57 pm : link
Is a Jones v Barkley around here.

For me, neither of them has shown me that it is important for the future of this team that they be retained.
RE: RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 10:10 pm : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.



See how you turn any argument against Jones. I am talking Barkley, and your relentless campaign to bring Jones into every argument is pathetic .


It's a stupid argument. Teams load the box to stop Barkley...they don't use extra DBs to stop DJ. That should makes DJs job much easier, but it doesn't.

To recap...SB makes DJs job easier. DJ makes SBs job much harder. It's not rocket science...this isn't a Saquon problem. It's having a QB the defenses are6 afraid of...that's why Saquon struggles. If Saquon was running against 7 in the box, he'd be killing it...but DJ would be even worse.
Barkley  
AcidTest : 12/4/2022 10:12 pm : link
has been excellent the season. He's carried us to several victories and regularly faces eight man boxes because we can't throw or block. I also think he's beat up, especially his shoulder. Kafka is using him too much, and has forgotten that a two back system is best. But I'm still not sure I want to pay Barkley $12M next season.
Giants are stuck right now  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/4/2022 10:36 pm : link
8 in a box because A) no interior OL B) No WR that’s scare you C) No TE to run down the seams D) Barkley has gone back to east west at times and doesn’t always make the best decisions. E) A-D limit what DJ can do.

This roster Dabol inherited is lousy and will take time.
RE: What is Barkley's yards after contact?  
outeiroj : 12/4/2022 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15933231 kelly said:
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Does anyone have that?

I rarely see him make years after contact. He runs soft.


https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-rb.php

Barkley is 4th in the NFL in total yards after contact behind Josh Jacobs, Derrik Henry and Nick Chubb
RE: RE: What is Barkley's yards after contact?  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 10:48 pm : link
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Does anyone have that?

I rarely see him make years after contact. He runs soft.



https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-rb.php

Barkley is 4th in the NFL in total yards after contact behind Josh Jacobs, Derrik Henry and Nick Chubb


That's definitely soft! He should be top 3! This thread...

Here come the "stats don't matter" comments.
In the first seven games, of which six were wins,  
Reese's Pieces : 12/4/2022 11:06 pm : link
Barkley averaged 5.25 yards/carry and an average long of 31. In the next five games, three losses and a tie, he has an average of 3.1 and an average long of 15.

Seems most likely that he has been playing hurt and/or is missing the offensive linemen who were knocked out by injury.

Since this is his contract year, you can be sure he is giving it his best effort.
He gone  
sharp315 : 12/4/2022 11:23 pm : link
Joey ain't paying 60m guaranteed for 124 yards over 3 games.

I think the fact they didn't reach an agreement over the bye is telling of his future. And he is playing like it.
RE: Giants are stuck right now  
GMen72 : 12/4/2022 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15933286 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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8 in a box because A) no interior OL B) No WR that’s scare you C) No TE to run down the seams D) Barkley has gone back to east west at times and doesn’t always make the best decisions. E) A-D limit what DJ can do.

This roster Dabol inherited is lousy and will take time.


Even if B and C were true...how would A and D make teams load the box? A bad OLine would require fewer in the box, as would a RB making bad decisions. Odd that a RB with poor decision making and a bad OLine could be 4th in the NFL in rushing, unless he was a really talented MFer worthy of the franchise tag?

Also, DJ limits what DJ can do. The roster change at QB will come faster than you think.
I have zero issue  
Mook80 : 12/4/2022 11:48 pm : link
with franchising him next year. I think that would be smart business.

I do not have any interest in a long term deal.

Great guy, great talent. But just bad business giving a guy with his injury history a long term deal, especially when this team is still far away from competing for a super bowl.

I would let Jones walk and franchise Barkley and go from there
Hard to believe Barkley is fourth in league  
kelly : 12/5/2022 3:52 am : link
For yards after contact. I don't see it but I can't argue with the facts
Who can name the Giant receivers…  
Giant John : 12/5/2022 3:56 am : link
Going into the HOF? No? Ok how about pro bowl? No? How about the one in the top 5 receiving yards? TD’s? Receptions? How many have played in all our games this year? There’s a reason for that. They suck.
It’s been a problem for years. Put the blame where it belongs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 5:42 am : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.



See how you turn any argument against Jones. I am talking Barkley, and your relentless campaign to bring Jones into every argument is pathetic .



It's a stupid argument. Teams load the box to stop Barkley...they don't use extra DBs to stop DJ. That should makes DJs job much easier, but it doesn't.

To recap...SB makes DJs job easier. DJ makes SBs job much harder. It's not rocket science...this isn't a Saquon problem. It's having a QB the defenses are6 afraid of...that's why Saquon struggles. If Saquon was running against 7 in the box, he'd be killing it...but DJ would be even worse.


Such a stupid argument. If DJ wasn't mobile Barkley would look way worse. If you watched the game today, his TD run came because the Wash ILB was completely focused on DJ and vacated the middle of the field following him. Pretty much the only reason Barkley has his best run of the day.
Watch 52  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 6:08 am : link
And who he mirrors
Barkley TD - ( New Window )
Saquon isn’t the problem  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 6:21 am : link
The problem is with the coaching staff that continues to run Barkley like he’s a bell-cow running back.
RE: Watch 52  
Tom from LI : 12/5/2022 7:10 am : link
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And who he mirrors Barkley TD - ( New Window )


exactly. he mirrored Jones. That could have been his job, but I am sure someone else was tasked with Barkley. probably a miscommunication or blown assignment. Hard to see from that angle.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Some need to be more honest in their Barkley  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 7:10 am : link
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Evaluations. Barkley has gone back to turning his back on contact a lot, hesitates into piles and just is lacking that dominant persona, dominating presence.

I am not sure why we are not using Breida and Brightwell a bit more for physical runs .



The irony...

The guy in the top 5 in rushing, against stacked boxes, in the NFL, sucks. The guy not in the top 15 in passing yards or passing TDs is indispensable. Keep fighting the dumb fight.



Who is dumb? How many yards did Barkley have in the second half? Does Jones need to pick him up and carry him too?



Also, smarty...how many yards did DJ throw for in the 2nd half?


▪️Jones 7/10 39 yds 1 TD
▪️Barkley 5 car 1 yd
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ChrisRick : 12/5/2022 7:14 am : link
I find it weird when fans nitpick a player that has carried the offense for much of the season with little help.
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