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We didn't waste our second time out in OT.

Rico : 12/4/2022 10:13 pm
I was upset about it at the time as well. But if you look at the play by play of the game, Wash ran it's 2nd down play at 1:28 and the fumble out of bounds did not stop the clock. The Giant's timeout was awarded at 1:23 to stop the clock.

So it was the right decision to take the timeout there.
You're right  
Sy'56 : 12/4/2022 10:29 pm : link
I was wrong on that initially. The clock did stop on the fumble out of bounds BUT it starts again when the refs set the ball down.
I'm surprised so many people  
BlackLight : 12/4/2022 10:29 pm : link
appear to think that fumbling out of bounds in that situation would stop the clock.
I agree.  
Rave7 : 12/4/2022 10:34 pm : link
I didn’t know what people were talking about.
Fumble,so gotta stop the clock. Time out was the right call.
Correct  
DCPollaro : 12/5/2022 6:58 am : link
Looks like they didn't explain it on the TV feed as numerous friends were confused and pissed. At the game they stopped and add d time back on.
Question -  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:02 am : link
in the 1st half, just before the 2 minute warning, Barkley made a nine and a half yard run and was forced OB just before the 1st down marker. He was going forward at the time. The clock kept running. I thought with under 5 minutes left in the half the clock stopped on plays OB as long as the runner was going forward (cannot be pushed backwards OB or else time keeps running).
Thanks for clearing that up  
Ira : 12/5/2022 7:10 am : link
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My take was the ball was fumbled forward  
robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 7:43 am : link
To my understanding the ball is brought back to the spot of the fumble which is in bounds hence the clock runs. I guess the clock starts on the snap there. All I saw was 9 seconds left on the play clock hence why I was annoyed.
I was more annoyed with....  
DefenseWins : 12/5/2022 7:46 am : link
our inability to stop that running play. We had them pinned back to the goal line. If we force a punt from there, the outcome of the game could have been very different.
But, now that I think of this, was he still wrong?  
robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 7:50 am : link
If the ball is placed and that is when the clock starts, then he should have saved his timeout. The play clock was already running down. Did he only save 9 or 19 seconds as opposed to losing the whole play clock of time on the next play?
If the clock didn't stop until the refs placed the ball then he should  
robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 7:51 am : link
have saved his timeout because we only had 2 going into OT.
RE: Question -  
shyster : 12/5/2022 7:52 am : link
In comment 15933446 section125 said:
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in the 1st half, just before the 2 minute warning, Barkley made a nine and a half yard run and was forced OB just before the 1st down marker. He was going forward at the time. The clock kept running. I thought with under 5 minutes left in the half the clock stopped on plays OB as long as the runner was going forward (cannot be pushed backwards OB or else time keeps running).


It's under 5:00 in the second half but under 2:00 in the first half.
RE: If the clock didn't stop until the refs placed the ball then he should  
shyster : 12/5/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15933500 robbieballs2003 said:
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have saved his timeout because we only had 2 going into OT.


It only takes a couple of seconds, maybe not even that, to spot the ball.

The running play went off at 1:28 and the TO was granted at 1:23 where clock was reset.
RE: Question -  
ColHowPepper : 12/5/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15933446 section125 said:
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in the 1st half, just before the 2 minute warning, Barkley made a nine and a half yard run and was forced OB just before the 1st down marker. He was going forward at the time. The clock kept running. I thought with under 5 minutes left in the half the clock stopped on plays OB as long as the runner was going forward (cannot be pushed backwards OB or else time keeps running).

section, if I have the play right, I saw a clear path to the EZ had SB cut back to his left there. But with all his mind facts in reading time, down, and distance, he opted for the safe option.
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robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 8:10 am : link
In comment 15933504 shyster said:
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In comment 15933500 robbieballs2003 said:


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have saved his timeout because we only had 2 going into OT.



It only takes a couple of seconds, maybe not even that, to spot the ball.

The running play went off at 1:28 and the TO was granted at 1:23 where clock was reset.


So a couple of seconds don't help? When I saw the play stop, there was 9 seconds left on the play clock. Even if time was given back, that's better than 40 seconds. Is your argument really that it is only a couple of seconds? Every second helps.
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shyster : 12/5/2022 8:24 am : link
In comment 15933529 robbieballs2003 said:
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So a couple of seconds don't help? When I saw the play stop, there was 9 seconds left on the play clock. Even if time was given back, that's better than 40 seconds. Is your argument really that it is only a couple of seconds? Every second helps.


The time it takes to spot the ball has no relevance when the ball goes out of bounds and the clock stops, which happened here.

The clock was going to run on the reset of the ball, because the fumble happened in bounds, but Giants were given the TO, no time was lost.

The running play clock shown on the screen was wrong and corrected on the reset.
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robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 8:26 am : link
In comment 15933554 shyster said:
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In comment 15933529 robbieballs2003 said:


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So a couple of seconds don't help? When I saw the play stop, there was 9 seconds left on the play clock. Even if time was given back, that's better than 40 seconds. Is your argument really that it is only a couple of seconds? Every second helps.



The time it takes to spot the ball has no relevance when the ball goes out of bounds and the clock stops, which happened here.

The clock was going to run on the reset of the ball, because the fumble happened in bounds, but Giants were given the TO, no time was lost.

The running play clock shown on the screen was wrong and corrected on the reset.


The time it takes to spot the ball, the play clock is ticking. If a play clock is reset to 25 not 40. It cost us time. There is no arguing that.
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shyster : 12/5/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15933558 robbieballs2003 said:
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The time it takes to spot the ball, the play clock is ticking. If a play clock is reset to 25 not 40. It cost us time. There is no arguing that.


The play clock does not run in that situation when the ball has gone bouncing out of bounds and the officials need to retrieve it. Both time clock and play clock will begin on the reset.

And the situation was not one where the rules specify a 25 second clock rather than a 40.
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robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15933590 shyster said:
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In comment 15933558 robbieballs2003 said:


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The time it takes to spot the ball, the play clock is ticking. If a play clock is reset to 25 not 40. It cost us time. There is no arguing that.



The play clock does not run in that situation when the ball has gone bouncing out of bounds and the officials need to retrieve it. Both time clock and play clock will begin on the reset.

And the situation was not one where the rules specify a 25 second clock rather than a 40.


When does the play clock stop? Any time a ball is spotted, the play clock is running. That is why you see so many delay of games when player think they have more time on the play clock.
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