This is for the people who think the Giants won’t win another game or only one more win. Let’s look at a few facts here:
—The Lions are 4-1 in their last five games. They could have easily beat Buffalo as well. They just destroyed the Jaguars. Does that loss look so bad anymore?
—The Cowboys just beat the Colts 54-19. The very undermanned Giants were leading at the half. If Jones & Barkley convert on the 4th and 1, things could have went differently. The defense also got a tough break when a questionable penalty kept them on the field.
—Washington has been one of the hottest teams in the NFL. They beat up on Philly on the road, physically dominated them. Yet, the Giants came away with a 20-20 tie.
We keep hearing how poor this roster is, yet I also see people hammering this coaching staff. So, which is it?
For as horrific as this roster supposedly is by some, only having 4 losses shows how incredible this coaching staff is. Or, there are a ton of people on the board that are just ridiculously over dramatic with their negative outlook of the team.
It's understandable, but it doesn't justify the worst of the comportment you around here with the childish reactions, hostile behavior toward other opinions, and etc.
Even under the most charitable of microscopes, this roster was always talent-deficient in some really key areas, lacking in quality depth, and operating at the razor's edge in terms of margin for error. The confluence of steady play, good coaching, and really good fortune earlier in the season didn't change that fact.
I understand that many object to the attitude of "aw shucks guys we never dreamed the team would be successful this year so let's be happy". But jesus, we have the month of December packed with critically important football games, and that's something I have missed!
As my kids say, its not that deep.
The roster is poor. We knew that coming into the season. The coaching staff has done a great job getting them to where they are now. The rest is gravy.
But you are correct, in 2 weeks regardless of what happens against Philly, Giants get to play a very significant game and erase the sour taste from yesterday
The schedule turned out to.be a gift and the team squeaked by in close game. We’re playing with house money now so just enjoy the ride and we’ll see what happens. 8-8-1 with a fourth place schedule next year would not be all that bad a start for the new regime.
Here is how I see things to piggyback on your thoughts….
We won’t have a chance against Philly if we don’t get back both Adoree and Xavier. Covering Brown and Smith demands our best players, not 3rd strong guys.
With a fairly healthy team, we could beat Washington, Indy, and Minny. Just don’t think we can beat Philly.
Hats off to Philly smart people for making great decisions- getting AJ Brown and dumping Reager was huge. They believed if they got Hurts dependable toys this would elevate his game. They were right. A good OL helps too.
PS Why do I think Giants can beat Philly ?
It's understandable, but it doesn't justify the worst of the comportment you around here with the childish reactions, hostile behavior toward other opinions, and etc.
Even under the most charitable of microscopes, this roster was always talent-deficient in some really key areas, lacking in quality depth, and operating at the razor's edge in terms of margin for error. The confluence of steady play, good coaching, and really good fortune earlier in the season didn't change that fact.
I understand that many object to the attitude of "aw shucks guys we never dreamed the team would be successful this year so let's be happy". But jesus, we have the month of December packed with critically important football games, and that's something I have missed!
I’m sorry to have to point this out - but Dallas might be the best team in football this year. They are looking like top 3 or 4 at worst. Two of our four losses so far came to Dallas. So the team is 7-2-1 against every team other than maybe the best team in the league.
Unfortunately this year we are one of only 2 teams that have to play 4 games against probably the top 2 teams in football (us and WAS vs DAL and PHI)
It's understandable, but it doesn't justify the worst of the comportment you around here with the childish reactions, hostile behavior toward other opinions, and etc.
Even under the most charitable of microscopes, this roster was always talent-deficient in some really key areas, lacking in quality depth, and operating at the razor's edge in terms of margin for error. The confluence of steady play, good coaching, and really good fortune earlier in the season didn't change that fact.
I understand that many object to the attitude of "aw shucks guys we never dreamed the team would be successful this year so let's be happy". But jesus, we have the month of December packed with critically important football games, and that's something I have missed!
Totally agree.
Who are the keepers:
Thomas, Neal, possibly Gates and Ezeudu on
the OL?
No WR’s imv
TE: Bellinger
QB? What say Schoen and Daboll
RB: Maybe tag Barkley?
DL: Lawrence and Williams
Edge:Thibs and Ojulari
ILB: maybe Beavers?
Secondary: Jackson,Love and X
It’s not a rosy picture!!!!
But you are correct, in 2 weeks regardless of what happens against Philly, Giants get to play a very significant game and erase the sour taste from yesterday
Yes, agreed. But Commanders are also a team pushing for the playoffs. It was a hard fought game. We did some great stuff, we did some not so great stuff. The reality of a year one rebuild with new GM and staff
If I thought for a minute this team had a shot in hell at winning the Super Bowl, I'd probably be more upset, but they don't. I'm more worried about the decisions they need to make this offseason. Yesterday's tie isn't a huge setback in the big picture, screwing up the offseason with the QB and RB decisions would be.
That's why I'm 'doom and gloom'. The defense is beat up, we have trash left in the secondary now. Our offense literally does not function without a DUAL threat of Barkley and Jones. Barkley alone would be fine if we had a passing game worth a damn, but we don't. We literally need both guys popping to allow play action to work effectively.
in some ways they've done a better job in the last few weeks than earlier in the year because of the hand they've been dealt with injuries. the secondary is practice squad level.
in others they've been a little worse - the jackson injury was a self inflicted wound and with him healthy they may have won 1 of the last 2. the OL refuses to improve.
overall these things will even out over the course of the season but there's a lot more to be encouraged by than discouraged by. this team has competed and given themselves a chance to win every game regardless of circumstance and will probably continue to do so - including in the playoffs if they get there which is still a pretty decent possibility.
Look, when the Giants were 6-1, it was pointed out that the underlying metrics did not support that record and the way the Giants were winning was not sustainable (keep the game close, get plays at the end). And now they've come back down to earth. Although they are undeniably better than last year, I am not sure they are playing worse or better than they were at the beginning of the year, they are just not making the plays at the end or getting the favorable bounces they did at the beginning of the year.
They are who they are. They are going to have to play better (with more injured players) if they are going to get into the playoffs, if that even matters given what is likely to happen.
Dallas is +127
Philly is +112
SF is +92
SEA is +14
MIN is +10
WSH & TB are -4
NYG are -7
DET is -9
those are the realistic playoff contenders and the NYG are clearly in the hodgepodge fighting for one of the bottom few spots. that group is so close single plays like Gano's field goal (or no penalty to feliciano, or no penalty last week vs dallas) would have moved the nyg up to 6th.
with remaining games against PHI (x2), WSH, and MIN they are going to have a chance to show that they belong in the playoffs. If anything you could probably say this coaching staff is coaching 'win and in' playoff games from the next WSH game forward.
and with Jimmy G's injury I think they have a realistic chance of upsetting any of these teams on the road if they do get to a real playoff game.
It's understandable, but it doesn't justify the worst of the comportment you around here with the childish reactions, hostile behavior toward other opinions, and etc.
Even under the most charitable of microscopes, this roster was always talent-deficient in some really key areas, lacking in quality depth, and operating at the razor's edge in terms of margin for error. The confluence of steady play, good coaching, and really good fortune earlier in the season didn't change that fact.
I understand that many object to the attitude of "aw shucks guys we never dreamed the team would be successful this year so let's be happy". But jesus, we have the month of December packed with critically important football games, and that's something I have missed!
This exactly. We won a bunch of coin flip games against mediocre teams early in the year. It was pretty obvious that run wouldn't continue both because we're going to play better teams and you just don't win every close game.
Either we're going to miss the playoffs, or we're going to make it and get rocked in the 1st round. With 7 playoff teams and a terrible conference the teams fighting for the last spot are pretty bad.
But its fine - we've shown that we have great coaching on both sides of the ball. Our D is kicking ass up front. KT is looking good. Dexter looking good. Thomas good. Neal should be good by next year. This is a very high end outcome for reasonable expectations. We have zero chance to make noise in the playoffs- and that's fine. We never did. The was a tear down year and we had some good things happen along the way.
There is plenty of talent on the defense. And Martindale (and his staff) is complimenting it with good coaching, development, and strategy.
On offense, we have an All-Pro level LT, an interesting rookie RT and some decent parts on the interior. When I look around the league, aside from a select few teams, most OLs are like ours. So, I don't buy this bellyaching that are OL is that bad.
Meanwhile, Barkley is having a terrific year and will likely get decent money when he hits the market.
I know I am in the minority, but Slayton is a good WR who should get the ball more. He's averaging 17+ YPC with 75% if his catches going for first downs. And I actually like what I have seen in spurts from Hodgins and James. Hodgins ran a great, great route on that TD in the 3rd quarter.
Have we been hurt by injuries (and apathy - KG) at the receiver spot? Absolutely. But I think the front office and the staff have done a nice job with what we have.
I know Kafka is becoming the new pinata around here to replace Garrett, but I think he'd done a very nice job. I just wish he and Daboll had more confidence in their QB to take more chances in the passing game. Just think about that Seattle game where Jones was playing QB like he had a blindfold on at times...
There is plenty of talent on the defense. And Martindale (and his staff) is complimenting it with good coaching, development, and strategy.
On offense, we have an All-Pro level LT, an interesting rookie RT and some decent parts on the interior. When I look around the league, aside from a select few teams, most OLs are like ours. So, I don't buy this bellyaching that are OL is that bad.
Meanwhile, Barkley is having a terrific year and will likely get decent money when he hits the market.
I know I am in the minority, but Slayton is a good WR who should get the ball more. He's averaging 17+ YPC with 75% if his catches going for first downs. And I actually like what I have seen in spurts from Hodgins and James. Hodgins ran a great, great route on that TD in the 3rd quarter.
Have we been hurt by injuries (and apathy - KG) at the receiver spot? Absolutely. But I think the front office and the staff have done a nice job with what we have.
I know Kafka is becoming the new pinata around here to replace Garrett, but I think he'd done a very nice job. I just wish he and Daboll had more confidence in their QB to take more chances in the passing game. Just think about that Seattle game where Jones was playing QB like he had a blindfold on at times...
I agree with you to a point. The Giants have talent, but what they don't have is depth. They are very thin at almost every position
No one is every happy to be honest.
We had Eli Manning and the complaints still were high.
It's just how we are, pushing the negative first because it's easy.