He is an ok QB. But, to me the problem with him is simple. He does not throw accurate enough balls to the wide open guys where they can then immediately turn up field or catch the ball cleanly to get those crucial YAC. That is where football games are won. If you look at the Eagles, they are winning games because they throw tons of balls with great efficiency. For Jones, he does not get the ball where you need to get it to give the offensive guy the best chance to make a play. For instance, Barkley on the fourth down in Dallas--yes Barkley should have had it, but DJ's ball was not there. Yesterday in the first half (I was at the game and did not see the replay yet), but it looked like Slayton had the whole sideline if Jones just dropped a five yard pass into his breadbasket, but Jones didn't, made Slayton reach and then Slayton stumbled to catch the ball with very little YAC. Imo, it is the easy throws that Jones misses that makes him inefficient and not a long-term solution. The best QBs put their guys in position to get the YAC and Jones often fails in that regard. Now, of course, he is not helped by this pathetic receiver corps, but if I am being honest Jones does not help them much either with the "easy" stuff.
This. The game is too fast for him. He does not see the field and his throws are always late.
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Jones is playing great.
You believe Jones is playing great? He’s not been passable, or even good. He’s been great?
There is not another QB in the league who is putting up his kinds of stats that anyone would describe as playing great. The bar for him for some of you seems to be “If I like him, he is great. If he plays for another team, he is terrible.”
Boomer this morning, who normally sees the glass half empty where Jones is concerned, said he played great yesterday, his words not mine
It s hard to watch the tv broadcast and really determine what plays are there for a quarterback that he is missing.
My opinion on Jones holds no weight with you because you believe I lack objectivity. I do like him as a player, and truthfully just watching games on tv it s hard for me to conclude he s holding the team back
But contrary to what you think, I am objective in understanding unless I watch the all 22 with the coaches I m not really qualified to know just what Jones is as a quarterback
Schoen will make the decision. But to my amateur eye, I just don’t see the criticisms of him as reality
When I talk about the running game I am referring to first down runs. The Giants always seem to be stymied on their first down runs. in watching other teams play it was instructive to see how the good teams always get 4-5 on first down. When this occurs it opens up the playbook and allows the offense to be creative and with options.
In the passing game, I forgot what open revivers look like. In almost every game even the bad teams had receivers with 3-4 yards separation, and often there were players who looked uncovered. It is amazing how some receivers just outplay the dbs for the ball, they just take the ball away from the defenders even with poor throws.
Lastly yards after the catch. It was commonplace to see the good receivers constantly getting extra yards. This has nothing to do with the ball placement. The Giants experienced this for one game last year with Toney vs. Dallas and a couple of games this year with Robinson However, this occurs with regularity on almost every other team including Washington. It makes the QB look really good when a receiver turns a 5 yard pass into a 20 yard play and a TD.
The Giants just do not have the playmakers to compete on offense.Their only hope is if they can figure out how to help Barkley. Other teams have taken him out of the game and exposed how bad the offense is.
With that being said, I also don't think this makes him a bad quarterback. What we're seeing is someone with different strengths and weaknesses that clearly isn't at an elite level.
Hitting the spots and timing on some of these crossers and flat routes is clearly a weakness, as is working back to the left side during reads. We're seeing what he is, the million dollar question is whether or not our coaching staff thinks they can get to a Super Bowl with his set of skills.
With that being said, I also don't think this makes him a bad quarterback. What we're seeing is someone with different strengths and weaknesses that clearly isn't at an elite level.
Hitting the spots and timing on some of these crossers and flat routes is clearly a weakness, as is working back to the left side during reads. We're seeing what he is, the million dollar question is whether or not our coaching staff thinks they can get to a Super Bowl with his set of skills.
That's why I appreciate the All-22 film. You'll clearly find out if this is BS or just bias coming out.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults.
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All you need to know... - ( New Window )
1) They didn’t exercise his 5th year option.
2) They didn’t even consider extending him during the season (as they did for some other players).
3) They have had multiple games that we didn’t throw in the 4th quarter even when behind
4) This past game against Washington, they basically let the clock run out at the half intentionally instead of taking a single shot into the end zone.
5) From all reports the Giants have spent a lot of time scouting college QBs.
I am sure there are multiple reasons for some of the above. Receivers, o-line, etc. Howver, there is an apparent lack of belief in the QB as well.
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
Furthermore, if you sort that data set be getting "Open", Slayton is 6th in the NFL at that, too.
He's a good NFL WR.
It's a bit of a shame he's getting crushed by some for not making that acrobatic catch off a poor throw by Jones. Gives the DJFC more fodder to redirect blame.
BTW, Jones's QBR yesterday day was a meager 31.
1) They didn’t exercise his 5th year option.
2) They didn’t even consider extending him during the season (as they did for some other players).
3) They have had multiple games that we didn’t throw in the 4th quarter even when behind
4) This past game against Washington, they basically let the clock run out at the half intentionally instead of taking a single shot into the end zone.
5) From all reports the Giants have spent a lot of time scouting college QBs.
I am sure there are multiple reasons for some of the above. Receivers, o-line, etc. Howver, there is an apparent lack of belief in the QB as well.
1. and 2. together are significant.
3. I'm not sure what that means. I'll take a guess that the Giants did not pass enough in your view.
4. I don't think is necessarily true. Daboll said the pass plays called had endzone routes in them, but Washington had it covered and Jones took what the defense gave him which seems to be smart down 3 with the half running out. Forcing the ball into coverage (if Washington indeed had it covered) would not be smart.
5. Since Jones has not established himself clearly as the guy, scouting top qb prospects is the way to go.
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However, regardless of how we feel about Jones, it is clear the Giants brass and coaching staff doesn’t trust him.
I am not making any judgement on what the Giants should do in regards to passing. I am not a coach and my knowledge doesn’t extend that far. We won with conservative play. I am just pointing out that it isn’t very common to see that level of conservative offense with a QB that coaches have a lot of faith in.
1) They didn’t exercise his 5th year option.
2) They didn’t even consider extending him during the season (as they did for some other players).
3) They have had multiple games that we didn’t throw in the 4th quarter even when behind
4) This past game against Washington, they basically let the clock run out at the half intentionally instead of taking a single shot into the end zone.
5) From all reports the Giants have spent a lot of time scouting college QBs.
I am sure there are multiple reasons for some of the above. Receivers, o-line, etc. Howver, there is an apparent lack of belief in the QB as well.
1. and 2. together are significant.
3. I'm not sure what that means. I'll take a guess that the Giants did not pass enough in your view.
4. I don't think is necessarily true. Daboll said the pass plays called had endzone routes in them, but Washington had it covered and Jones took what the defense gave him which seems to be smart down 3 with the half running out. Forcing the ball into coverage (if Washington indeed had it covered) would not be smart.
5. Since Jones has not established himself clearly as the guy, scouting top qb prospects is the way to go.
1) They didn’t exercise his 5th year option.
2) They didn’t even consider extending him during the season (as they did for some other players).
3) They have had multiple games that we didn’t throw in the 4th quarter even when behind
4) This past game against Washington, they basically let the clock run out at the half intentionally instead of taking a single shot into the end zone.
5) From all reports the Giants have spent a lot of time scouting college QBs.
I am sure there are multiple reasons for some of the above. Receivers, o-line, etc. Howver, there is an apparent lack of belief in the QB as well.
Excellent analysis. It's fine for people here to debate whether the offense is lacking because of Jones or his supporting cast (OL, WRs). But as you note, there is ample evidence the GM and head coach made an initial decision to move on from him after this year, and that he has not so far changed their minds with his performance this season.
I want our OT's though. I'm not swapping those two.
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
Furthermore, if you sort that data set be getting "Open", Slayton is 6th in the NFL at that, too.
He's a good NFL WR.
It's a bit of a shame he's getting crushed by some for not making that acrobatic catch off a poor throw by Jones. Gives the DJFC more fodder to redirect blame.
BTW, Jones's QBR yesterday day was a meager 31.
I'm not a Jones guy, and I don't buy into the excuses, but Slayton is rightfully getting crushed for dropping that pass. And it's because he drops passes all of the time - Fox even had the statistic fired up when it happened (he's now 2nd in the league among receivers in drop rate). The big plays that he makes for the team are almost completely negated by the plays that he fails to make.
That being said, it was a low percentage play to begin with - basically a jump ball. The game was still within their control, more precision/ methodical passes would have been preferable in that situation.
So thats ok since most teams don't have Mahomes or Allen, although it sucks we spent a #6 on a JAG, but we need to greatly improve the team around him, starting with the OL and WRs, or else we are going no where. Every game will be razor close, and I'll wake up feeling like crap on Monday As for re-signing him it comes down to $$$. If one of the other 15 guys wants less we should do that, because we need the cash to upgrade other places
Almost four years in and we're still using wishful thinking as our measure of greatness.
Simms played before free agency, before the salary cap, and at a time when veteran QB1s made ~4x the average NFL salary, not ~15x the average NFL salary.
So the comparison itself is flawed to begin with, but even if you want to clutch that Simms comparison as tightly as possible, if you have to go back 40 years to find a use case that validates your current argument, and ignore all data in the interim, your position is shaky on top of your comparison being flawed.
Daniel Jones is going to be a free agent after this season no matter what. How much do you want to pay a guy just because his circumstances remind you of a completely different QB who overcame similar circumstances in a completely different era, with completely different rules, completely different finances, and completely different rosters?
Fair to assume you'll be treating Boomer's opinion as a valid POV across all topics going forward?
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
The Giants as a team are like #25 and that’s generous.
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
The Giants as a team are like #25 and that’s generous.
What do all the Giants receivers have in common?
Now, keep Mara in his lane and let's move forward with the QB search.
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Jones is playing great they don't have a AJ Brown or anything close to that kind of WR core.Let alone Philly has TE plus a top running game. Giants top wr is a guy we wanted to trade away.
Almost four years in and we're still using wishful thinking as our measure of greatness.
Nothing wrong with wishing that the guy who is on stage being judged had a true bona fide #1 WR and or TE. I would rather Ask Hurts and Tua what they think about having their new toys to play with this year than listen to you spout off about 4 years. There was a reason Judge and Garrett were fired you know….
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
Furthermore, if you sort that data set be getting "Open", Slayton is 6th in the NFL at that, too.
He's a good NFL WR.
It's a bit of a shame he's getting crushed by some for not making that acrobatic catch off a poor throw by Jones. Gives the DJFC more fodder to redirect blame.
BTW, Jones's QBR yesterday day was a meager 31.
I'm not a Jones guy, and I don't buy into the excuses, but Slayton is rightfully getting crushed for dropping that pass. And it's because he drops passes all of the time - Fox even had the statistic fired up when it happened (he's now 2nd in the league among receivers in drop rate). The big plays that he makes for the team are almost completely negated by the plays that he fails to make.
That being said, it was a low percentage play to begin with - basically a jump ball. The game was still within their control, more precision/ methodical passes would have been preferable in that situation.
Slayton has a high drop rate, in part, because he runs the deep routes. Comparing Slayton drop rate of passes 12+ yards against the league average would tell a better story.
Furthermore, if you sort that data set be getting "Open", Slayton is 6th in the NFL at that, too.
He's a good NFL WR.
It's a bit of a shame he's getting crushed by some for not making that acrobatic catch off a poor throw by Jones. Gives the DJFC more fodder to redirect blame.
BTW, Jones's QBR yesterday day was a meager 31.
I'm not a Jones guy, and I don't buy into the excuses, but Slayton is rightfully getting crushed for dropping that pass. And it's because he drops passes all of the time - Fox even had the statistic fired up when it happened (he's now 2nd in the league among receivers in drop rate). The big plays that he makes for the team are almost completely negated by the plays that he fails to make.
That being said, it was a low percentage play to begin with - basically a jump ball. The game was still within their control, more precision/ methodical passes would have been preferable in that situation.
Slayton has a high drop rate, in part, because he runs the deep routes. Comparing Slayton drop rate of passes 12+ yards against the league average would tell a better story.
That's a very interesting point to consider. Currently, Slayton is 5th in the NFL is YPC. So, he is indeed getting downfield.
Hell, his catch% is essentially the same as AJ Brown, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Terry McLaurin.
This is true of all players but the significance of Slayton's drop at that moment had a big negative impact. The time of the game magnified it.
Most games come down to a few plays made or not at the end.
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Jones is playing great they don't have a AJ Brown or anything close to that kind of WR core.Let alone Philly has TE plus a top running game. Giants top wr is a guy we wanted to trade away.
Almost four years in and we're still using wishful thinking as our measure of greatness.
Nothing wrong with wishing that the guy who is on stage being judged had a true bona fide #1 WR and or TE. I would rather Ask Hurts and Tua what they think about having their new toys to play with this year than listen to you spout off about 4 years. There was a reason Judge and Garrett were fired you know….
Yes, there IS something wrong with wishing. Because wishing doesn't determine what the proper course of action is for an impending free agent.
There is no status quo option available for 2023. None.
I agree.
The thing hurting Jones most right now is he is not an elite scrambler (say like Hurts or Jackson).
If he were, he'd be buying time and making something out of nothing which really isn't his game - hence he needs more talent around him to succeed.
Honestly, maybe a QB who can run around with their head on fire would actually be better than Jones because you'd have more big plays - the NFL is sorta going in that direction.
DJ to me is better mobility wise than the pocket passers we grew up with, but not an elite scrambler (I'll even reference Mahomes here who is pretty slippery).
DJ is sorta caught in the middle with not much talent around him.....
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
Furthermore, if you sort that data set be getting "Open", Slayton is 6th in the NFL at that, too.
He's a good NFL WR.
It's a bit of a shame he's getting crushed by some for not making that acrobatic catch off a poor throw by Jones. Gives the DJFC more fodder to redirect blame.
BTW, Jones's QBR yesterday day was a meager 31.
I'm not a Jones guy, and I don't buy into the excuses, but Slayton is rightfully getting crushed for dropping that pass. And it's because he drops passes all of the time - Fox even had the statistic fired up when it happened (he's now 2nd in the league among receivers in drop rate). The big plays that he makes for the team are almost completely negated by the plays that he fails to make.
That being said, it was a low percentage play to begin with - basically a jump ball. The game was still within their control, more precision/ methodical passes would have been preferable in that situation.
Slayton has a high drop rate, in part, because he runs the deep routes. Comparing Slayton drop rate of passes 12+ yards against the league average would tell a better story.
It's a false assumption to think that the further down the field a receiver is the more likely he is to drop a pass.
The exact opposite is more likely true, which is that most drops occur within 12 yards from the LOS where the ball being slightly deflected, or the receiver's reaction speed to a pass thrown on timing, can affect their ability to make the catch.
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Boomer this morning, who normally sees the glass half empty where Jones is concerned, said he played great yesterday, his words not mine
Fair to assume you'll be treating Boomer's opinion as a valid POV across all topics going forward?
Weak response Gator. What difference does it make what I feel about Boomer s opinions. A former NFL quarterback watches the games and concluded Daniel played great, quire a contrast to what some here stated, you do with that what you wish.
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Boomer this morning, who normally sees the glass half empty where Jones is concerned, said he played great yesterday, his words not mine
Fair to assume you'll be treating Boomer's opinion as a valid POV across all topics going forward?
Weak response Gator. What difference does it make what I feel about Boomer s opinions. A former NFL quarterback watches the games and concluded Daniel played great, quire a contrast to what some here stated, you do with that what you wish.
The point is that many here (I'm probably guilty of this as well) love to discredit any source that has an opinion they disagree with, rather than actually debate the opinion itself. And then, when that source says something they agree with, they have no credibility qualms about citing that source to support their own personal view.
Either you think Boomer's insights are valid or not. Either his opinion is valuable or it's not. And I don't know if you personally have dismissed Boomer's opinion in the past, but I think if you're willing to use his opinion in support of your own right now, logic would dictate that you'll also accept the legitimacy of Boomer's opinion in the future even when you disagree with it.
That's all I was getting at. The same sort of thing happens with PFF grades all the time on here. PFF sucks when the Giants suck, and then everyone gets sucked in on the PFF recaps and player grades when the Giants do well. Same for power rankings, etc.
Again, so many people seem to forget Jones is not the Giants QB next year currently.
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Boomer this morning, who normally sees the glass half empty where Jones is concerned, said he played great yesterday, his words not mine
Fair to assume you'll be treating Boomer's opinion as a valid POV across all topics going forward?
Weak response Gator. What difference does it make what I feel about Boomer s opinions. A former NFL quarterback watches the games and concluded Daniel played great, quire a contrast to what some here stated, you do with that what you wish.
The point is that many here (I'm probably guilty of this as well) love to discredit any source that has an opinion they disagree with, rather than actually debate the opinion itself. And then, when that source says something they agree with, they have no credibility qualms about citing that source to support their own personal view.
Either you think Boomer's insights are valid or not. Either his opinion is valuable or it's not. And I don't know if you personally have dismissed Boomer's opinion in the past, but I think if you're willing to use his opinion in support of your own right now, logic would dictate that you'll also accept the legitimacy of Boomer's opinion in the future even when you disagree with it.
That's all I was getting at. The same sort of thing happens with PFF grades all the time on here. PFF sucks when the Giants suck, and then everyone gets sucked in on the PFF recaps and player grades when the Giants do well. Same for power rankings, etc.
My opinion of Boomer s takes is no different than my takes from others. Sometimes I agree sometimes I don’t. Is my take influenced by personal beliefs, of course. I would be a pretty pathetic person if I couldn’t think for myself
You and several others are convinced Jones isn t the guy, myself and others see ability in him you do not, we ll find out what Schoen believes in a big
But so many felt he had a bad game yesterday, I didn’t see it that way at all, was supporting what I saw with what Boomer saw.
I’m ve disagreed with him often as well
Look at Mike White. I’m not saying he’s better than Jones, but he’s only played a handful of games and he’s already shown some skill.
Taylor Heinicke has won games. Cooper Rush has won games.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
Did Jones play well yesterday? I guess he was okay. But, when the offense desperately needed some first downs yesterday they couldn’t do it.
When I evaluate Jones I do it within the scope that he will be a free agent. I expect more if he’s going to command $20M plus per year. I expect him to clearly outplay Taylor Heinicke and not require a loaded supporting case. Because guess what? Paying him $100M will impact the supporting cast.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
100%. It's an easy Q&A at this point.
Q: Does anyone really think after these four years Jones can be a SB winning QB?
A: Very likely not.
So, move on...
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
We’ll that’s funny this thread told us that Jones can’t hit wrs in stride. Ever. Someone actually said that. Yet slayton actually displaying respectable production. Could Daniel jones be elevating slayton? Nah can’t be. It’s gotta be the other way around. I mean slayton just oozes insane wr talents…he’s obviously an upper echelon talent…
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Right now I'd say Jones is playing "well enough." Needs to have a signature moment soon, hopefully in the next two weeks.
I agree.
The thing hurting Jones most right now is he is not an elite scrambler (say like Hurts or Jackson).
If he were, he'd be buying time and making something out of nothing which really isn't his game - hence he needs more talent around him to succeed.
Honestly, maybe a QB who can run around with their head on fire would actually be better than Jones because you'd have more big plays - the NFL is sorta going in that direction.
DJ to me is better mobility wise than the pocket passers we grew up with, but not an elite scrambler (I'll even reference Mahomes here who is pretty slippery).
DJ is sorta caught in the middle with not much talent around him.....
This is pretty much how I look at it.
I don’t necessarily think it’s jones that has the game plan so conservative, more the OL and WRs but the fact that they didn’t try to re-sign jones does speak volumes.
Maybe they really don’t feel confident at all in jones but why didn’t they draft another qb even mid way through last year’s draft? They are really that scared jones is going to shit the bed ? He’s barely thrown any INTs…
I don’t know. Yea the game plan is conservative but then they also are going deep in OT. Doesn’t seem so conclusive to me. They may just want Barkley go get a lot of touches..
Anything is possible they just better get this right.
Look at Mike White. I’m not saying he’s better than Jones, but he’s only played a handful of games and he’s already shown some skill.
Taylor Heinicke has won games. Cooper Rush has won games.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
Did Jones play well yesterday? I guess he was okay. But, when the offense desperately needed some first downs yesterday they couldn’t do it.
When I evaluate Jones I do it within the scope that he will be a free agent. I expect more if he’s going to command $20M plus per year. I expect him to clearly outplay Taylor Heinicke and not require a loaded supporting case. Because guess what? Paying him $100M will impact the supporting cast.
2 things, who are the Giants bringing in, secondly, and I know you ll disagree with me, I m not sure we ve seen the best of Daniel yet
If they could sign Jones on a 2 year deal for around $18M per year I would strongly consider it. I’d draft a guy and roll with Jones until he’s ready.
Where I pushback is when I see fans suggesting the franchise tag or a $100M contract. I think QB hell is overpaying for mediocrity.
I’m not someone who thinks anyone is better than Jones. But, I do think the money matters quite a bit. If Jones was in his 2nd year, this is a non issue.
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That know how to run after they catch a ball? Don’t you think that is the real answer? Other than Slayton (who has no hands) we have slow receivers.
Slayton is the #12 rated YAC receiver. Not everything it’s just the WRs faults. . - ( New Window )
Furthermore, if you sort that data set be getting "Open", Slayton is 6th in the NFL at that, too.
He's a good NFL WR.
It's a bit of a shame he's getting crushed by some for not making that acrobatic catch off a poor throw by Jones. Gives the DJFC more fodder to redirect blame.
BTW, Jones's QBR yesterday day was a meager 31.
Slayton is a fantastic NFL WR. He just can't catch.
Look at Mike White. I’m not saying he’s better than Jones, but he’s only played a handful of games and he’s already shown some skill.
Taylor Heinicke has won games. Cooper Rush has won games.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
Did Jones play well yesterday? I guess he was okay. But, when the offense desperately needed some first downs yesterday they couldn’t do it.
When I evaluate Jones I do it within the scope that he will be a free agent. I expect more if he’s going to command $20M plus per year. I expect him to clearly outplay Taylor Heinicke and not require a loaded supporting case. Because guess what? Paying him $100M will impact the supporting cast.
The vast majority of Jones detractors said in the preseason that there Taylor is as good as, if not better than Jones. Now I hear that there wouldn't be much drop off
Taylor came in... immediately threw a pick that was directed at Slayton, then used his legs to fumble and get injured.
That's what our Mike White did in this offense
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I’d love for you to address this because I’m curious. Earlier this season, you said there was not much drop off from Dak to Cooper Rush. That right there is exactly the point I’m trying to make.
Look at Mike White. I’m not saying he’s better than Jones, but he’s only played a handful of games and he’s already shown some skill.
Taylor Heinicke has won games. Cooper Rush has won games.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
Did Jones play well yesterday? I guess he was okay. But, when the offense desperately needed some first downs yesterday they couldn’t do it.
When I evaluate Jones I do it within the scope that he will be a free agent. I expect more if he’s going to command $20M plus per year. I expect him to clearly outplay Taylor Heinicke and not require a loaded supporting case. Because guess what? Paying him $100M will impact the supporting cast.
The vast majority of Jones detractors said in the preseason that there Taylor is as good as, if not better than Jones. Now I hear that there wouldn't be much drop off
Taylor came in... immediately threw a pick that was directed at Slayton, then used his legs to fumble and get injured.
That's what our Mike White did in this offense
Cool story.
Jones is a free agent after this season. How much are you paying him and for how long?
The rest of the nonsense is just noise.
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I’d love for you to address this because I’m curious. Earlier this season, you said there was not much drop off from Dak to Cooper Rush. That right there is exactly the point I’m trying to make.
Look at Mike White. I’m not saying he’s better than Jones, but he’s only played a handful of games and he’s already shown some skill.
Taylor Heinicke has won games. Cooper Rush has won games.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
Did Jones play well yesterday? I guess he was okay. But, when the offense desperately needed some first downs yesterday they couldn’t do it.
When I evaluate Jones I do it within the scope that he will be a free agent. I expect more if he’s going to command $20M plus per year. I expect him to clearly outplay Taylor Heinicke and not require a loaded supporting case. Because guess what? Paying him $100M will impact the supporting cast.
The vast majority of Jones detractors said in the preseason that there Taylor is as good as, if not better than Jones. Now I hear that there wouldn't be much drop off
Taylor came in... immediately threw a pick that was directed at Slayton, then used his legs to fumble and get injured.
That's what our Mike White did in this offense
Cool story.
Jones is a free agent after this season. How much are you paying him and for how long?
The rest of the nonsense is just noise.
Nonsene? Probably because you are one of the posters who say that Taylor = Jones. So yeah, nonsense is accurate.
I'd give Jones 3 years 80m
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I’d love for you to address this because I’m curious. Earlier this season, you said there was not much drop off from Dak to Cooper Rush. That right there is exactly the point I’m trying to make.
Look at Mike White. I’m not saying he’s better than Jones, but he’s only played a handful of games and he’s already shown some skill.
Taylor Heinicke has won games. Cooper Rush has won games.
And if it’s because of a supporting cast, well why not improve the supporting cast and bring in a cheaper QB?
Did Jones play well yesterday? I guess he was okay. But, when the offense desperately needed some first downs yesterday they couldn’t do it.
When I evaluate Jones I do it within the scope that he will be a free agent. I expect more if he’s going to command $20M plus per year. I expect him to clearly outplay Taylor Heinicke and not require a loaded supporting case. Because guess what? Paying him $100M will impact the supporting cast.
The vast majority of Jones detractors said in the preseason that there Taylor is as good as, if not better than Jones. Now I hear that there wouldn't be much drop off
Taylor came in... immediately threw a pick that was directed at Slayton, then used his legs to fumble and get injured.
That's what our Mike White did in this offense
Cool story.
Jones is a free agent after this season. How much are you paying him and for how long?
The rest of the nonsense is just noise.
Nonsene? Probably because you are one of the posters who say that Taylor = Jones. So yeah, nonsense is accurate.
I'd give Jones 3 years 80m
3 year contract for a QB that can't throw 1 TD per game? I've been wondering what your angle is...I'm pretty sure you're Dave Gettleman.
Taylor's best days are behind him, but if you compare his 3 years starting for the Bills with DJs last 3 years, their passing numbers are almost identical, and Taylor's might be a little better. I'd bet that if Taylor got all the 1st team reps in practice, he could throw 11 TDs in 12 games. Heineke can, Rush can, Smith can...a lot of backups can.