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Let’s review and discuss 4 Key Possessions of the Game

5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 8:58 am
1. 4th Quarter, 1:45 left, 1st down….Slayton dropped a long pass that would have at least put us in FG range with the score tied 20-20…2nd down, long pass to Slayton that to me appeared to be a penalty not called, 3rd down, Hodgins triple covered, pass incomplete and scary


2. 3rd Quarter, 3:34 left when drive started…..gained 8 on 1st down…The 2nd and 2…give to Barkley, no gain….3rd and two Jones rolled right and wanted to pass but ended up running for one yard (now I would like to know if someone can show me, if Jones just missed seeing or was “afraid” to throw it to a guy who was somewhat open.)

3. OT, 4:04 left to start the drive….Jones moved us down nicely for completions of 14, 7, 10, 12, 4, and 3. It’s now 3rd and 3……Richie and Barkley run into each other…Coach elects to punt rather than take the chance on their 47 yd line

4. 2nd quarter, less than 2 minutes when we began the drive….Jones and Barkley move us down the field nicely….3rd and 1 with 19 seconds left at the 11 yard line….Jones ran for 2 yards and got the first….but I was upset we didn’t throw at least one time in the end zone for 7 instead of settling for 3. Does anyone have conclusive proof Jones missed a TD opportunity here? Let me see it….Or was this just conservative play calling?

Let’s discuss….what are your thoughts and analysis of these 4 key possessions?
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ryanmkeane : 12/5/2022 9:11 am : link
on the 3rd and 2 in OT when Barkley/James collided, there was a massive hole on the interior right side. I think we get a first down there if its a clean play. sucks.
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5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15933655 ryanmkeane said:
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on the 3rd and 2 in OT when Barkley/James collided, there was a massive hole on the interior right side. I think we get a first down there if its a clean play. sucks.


Oh my….knowing that makes me even more unhappy….
Is this the 3rd and 2 play you’re referencing?  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 9:15 am : link
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#4 on your list  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2022 9:20 am : link
has really stuck in my craw since halftime yesterday. I really wish they had operated differently on this drive. They managed this as if ending the drive with zeroes on the clock was more important than scoring a TD.

Once they moved the chains the first time, they should have been much more careful to NOT let seconds tick off unnecessarily.

Felt like they left some points on the field here.
RE: Is this the 3rd and 2 play you’re referencing?  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15933660 ajr2456 said:
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Yes….good catch.

As I see that replay, Hodgins wasn’t facing Jones so clearly Jones couldn’t throw it then….and I guess this Commander player came bearing down on Jones while Hodgins kept running forward…I really couldn’t tell if he was facing Jones and open as Jones began to move forward…..

But yes, that was a huge play….definitely would like to see it in 360° I believe is what they call it before I make my judgment…
#1 & #3 piss me off the most  
Dinger : 12/5/2022 9:26 am : link
they should have take the 'shots' down field earlier in the game. Not sure that 2 in a row to try to draw a PI call is the best gameplan. And the last throw into triple or quadruple coverage is either Jones being an idiot or saying 'fuck it' this is what I've been seeing all day and its the only chance we've got. #3; I'm not sure why you have RICHIE 'fing' James in the backfield with Barkley to begin with! We are so bereft of talent at WR its unimagineable. Lastly #4 yeah not sure why we didn't take a shot in the endzone unless it was the coaches saying, 'we are so bereft of talent at WR we aren't even bothering'.
RE: #4 on your list  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15933671 bigbluehoya said:
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has really stuck in my craw since halftime yesterday. I really wish they had operated differently on this drive. They managed this as if ending the drive with zeroes on the clock was more important than scoring a TD.

Once they moved the chains the first time, they should have been much more careful to NOT let seconds tick off unnecessarily.

Felt like they left some points on the field here.


It felt to me like Daboll is more interested in making sure Wash doesn’t get the ball back so he is willing to see the clock move on at the expense of limiting our ability to score a TD. That was a perfect example….we had 1st and goal, but didn’t have any time to run plays so had to settle for 3. This upset me greatly too…….GO FOR THE JUGULAR DABS! What happened to that fearless guy?
RE: RE: Is this the 3rd and 2 play you’re referencing?  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 9:31 am : link
In comment 15933681 5BowlsSoon said:
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Yes….good catch.

As I see that replay, Hodgins wasn’t facing Jones so clearly Jones couldn’t throw it then….and I guess this Commander player came bearing down on Jones while Hodgins kept running forward…I really couldn’t tell if he was facing Jones and open as Jones began to move forward…..

But yes, that was a huge play….definitely would like to see it in 360° I believe is what they call it before I make my judgment…


The video cuts off where the defender so it's tough to tell where the defender is relative to Hodgins by the time Hodgins turns his head
RE: RE: RE: Is this the 3rd and 2 play you’re referencing?  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15933691 Now Mike in MD said:
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Yes….good catch.

As I see that replay, Hodgins wasn’t facing Jones so clearly Jones couldn’t throw it then….and I guess this Commander player came bearing down on Jones while Hodgins kept running forward…I really couldn’t tell if he was facing Jones and open as Jones began to move forward…..

But yes, that was a huge play….definitely would like to see it in 360° I believe is what they call it before I make my judgment…



The video cuts off where the defender so it's tough to tell where the defender is relative to Hodgins by the time Hodgins turns his head


+1….. completely agree…..I’m not throwing rocks at anyone without having all the facts first
RE: RE: RE: RE: Is this the 3rd and 2 play you’re referencing?  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 9:38 am : link
In comment 15933695 5BowlsSoon said:
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Yes….good catch.

As I see that replay, Hodgins wasn’t facing Jones so clearly Jones couldn’t throw it then….and I guess this Commander player came bearing down on Jones while Hodgins kept running forward…I really couldn’t tell if he was facing Jones and open as Jones began to move forward…..

But yes, that was a huge play….definitely would like to see it in 360° I believe is what they call it before I make my judgment…



The video cuts off where the defender so it's tough to tell where the defender is relative to Hodgins by the time Hodgins turns his head



+1….. completely agree…..I’m not throwing rocks at anyone without having all the facts first


And this is Exhibit A for the problems with many of the arm chair QBs who claim Jones (or any other QB) misses a WR. You take one small snippet without any context or a full view and just run with a judgment
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5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 9:44 am : link
In comment 15933708 Now Mike in MD said:
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Yes….good catch.

As I see that replay, Hodgins wasn’t facing Jones so clearly Jones couldn’t throw it then….and I guess this Commander player came bearing down on Jones while Hodgins kept running forward…I really couldn’t tell if he was facing Jones and open as Jones began to move forward…..

But yes, that was a huge play….definitely would like to see it in 360° I believe is what they call it before I make my judgment…



The video cuts off where the defender so it's tough to tell where the defender is relative to Hodgins by the time Hodgins turns his head



+1….. completely agree…..I’m not throwing rocks at anyone without having all the facts first



And this is Exhibit A for the problems with many of the arm chair QBs who claim Jones (or any other QB) misses a WR. You take one small snippet without any context or a full view and just run with a judgment


You make another very good point. I hope some people who are hard on Jones come into this thread and share their thoughts, be it finding fault with Jones or anything else. I’d like to read their perspective and then see if I can agree with it.

Actually, if you are going to criticize Jones, a thread like this is where to do it. These 4 possessions were HUGE. The game could have been different if any of these possessions had different outcomes. So let’s talk about what went wrong….
That second long pass in a row made no sense  
jeff57 : 12/5/2022 9:50 am : link
Not a high percentage play and didn't take time off the clock.
the series with 3 min at the end of Qtr 3  
JerrysKids : 12/5/2022 9:51 am : link
play 1) DJ had a lot of time clean pocket, 2 receivers in route plus Belly on the left side had a chip delayed release to the flat, both receivers looked covered DJ dumps to Belly seemed like the sensible play for 8 yards.

Play 2) three TE set to the right side, run right off tackle Vannett# 46 gets jacked up and tossed like a rag doll and Payne makes the tackle for a 2 yard loss, Bellinger makes a great block on the inside backer wiping him out, Myarick 85 released upfield and blocked nobody. Neal and Glowinski seemed to do there job, Feliciano pulls and seals the peel back but play was blown up by Payne already. Seems like a bad scheme to have a journeyman TE off the practice squad with a one on one with one of the best DT in the game, can't put a single TE on that guy he will blow up the play everytime.

Play 3) 2 rec left one Hodgins# 18 right goes in motion lines up off right tackle as TE, Glowinski pulls play action fake left Hodgins blocks the DE and releases into pattern fall out of screen DJ bootleg right pumps to deek the DE that was in his face and turns up to run and gets tackled one yard short. No idea if Hodgins was open would love to know. The play action did not fool the DE so give him credit they played solid Defense and were ready for the bootlegs all day.

I thought that drive was the momentum shift towards Washington. We never moved the ball after that series Washington's Defense took over the game. We need a center and a guard this offseason.
It’s hard to understand what the coaches  
mittenedman : 12/5/2022 10:08 am : link
are thinking. We have supposedly 2 great offensive minds - where are the dagger plays for TDs when we hit the 35? Generally I’m fine with their approach given the personnel limitations, but I was expecting a little bit more sizzle from a play calling standpoint.

They aren’t doing anything creative to try to generate points. It legit looks like the Garrett/Judge offense now. They were much more imaginative early in the year.
RE: the series with 3 min at the end of Qtr 3  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15933736 JerrysKids said:
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play 1) DJ had a lot of time clean pocket, 2 receivers in route plus Belly on the left side had a chip delayed release to the flat, both receivers looked covered DJ dumps to Belly seemed like the sensible play for 8 yards.

Play 2) three TE set to the right side, run right off tackle Vannett# 46 gets jacked up and tossed like a rag doll and Payne makes the tackle for a 2 yard loss, Bellinger makes a great block on the inside backer wiping him out, Myarick 85 released upfield and blocked nobody. Neal and Glowinski seemed to do there job, Feliciano pulls and seals the peel back but play was blown up by Payne already. Seems like a bad scheme to have a journeyman TE off the practice squad with a one on one with one of the best DT in the game, can't put a single TE on that guy he will blow up the play everytime.

Play 3) 2 rec left one Hodgins# 18 right goes in motion lines up off right tackle as TE, Glowinski pulls play action fake left Hodgins blocks the DE and releases into pattern fall out of screen DJ bootleg right pumps to deek the DE that was in his face and turns up to run and gets tackled one yard short. No idea if Hodgins was open would love to know. The play action did not fool the DE so give him credit they played solid Defense and were ready for the bootlegs all day.

I thought that drive was the momentum shift towards Washington. We never moved the ball after that series Washington's Defense took over the game. We need a center and a guard this offseason.


Yeah I was pretty bummed after that series too. Heck, we had 2nd and 2 and still couldn’t get a first down.
RE: RE: the series with 3 min at the end of Qtr 3  
Adirondack GMen : 12/5/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15933873 5BowlsSoon said:
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play 1) DJ had a lot of time clean pocket, 2 receivers in route plus Belly on the left side had a chip delayed release to the flat, both receivers looked covered DJ dumps to Belly seemed like the sensible play for 8 yards.

Play 2) three TE set to the right side, run right off tackle Vannett# 46 gets jacked up and tossed like a rag doll and Payne makes the tackle for a 2 yard loss, Bellinger makes a great block on the inside backer wiping him out, Myarick 85 released upfield and blocked nobody. Neal and Glowinski seemed to do there job, Feliciano pulls and seals the peel back but play was blown up by Payne already. Seems like a bad scheme to have a journeyman TE off the practice squad with a one on one with one of the best DT in the game, can't put a single TE on that guy he will blow up the play everytime.

Play 3) 2 rec left one Hodgins# 18 right goes in motion lines up off right tackle as TE, Glowinski pulls play action fake left Hodgins blocks the DE and releases into pattern fall out of screen DJ bootleg right pumps to deek the DE that was in his face and turns up to run and gets tackled one yard short. No idea if Hodgins was open would love to know. The play action did not fool the DE so give him credit they played solid Defense and were ready for the bootlegs all day.

I thought that drive was the momentum shift towards Washington. We never moved the ball after that series Washington's Defense took over the game. We need a center and a guard this offseason.



Yeah I was pretty bummed after that series too. Heck, we had 2nd and 2 and still couldn’t get a first down.

In both 3rd and short yardage everyone knew Barley was getting the ball. Even the concessionaires send down additional people to key on him.. Why not go into a 2 back set. Either Brighwell or Brida. Now you have Jones, Barkley AND another back for the D to key on and stop. I bet donuts either Brightwell or Brida pick up the first. I said this in the game yesterdays thread. Now almost 24 later I still believe a2 back set in either of those 2 situations would have been sucessful!
RE: RE: RE: the series with 3 min at the end of Qtr 3  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15933925 Adirondack GMen said:
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play 1) DJ had a lot of time clean pocket, 2 receivers in route plus Belly on the left side had a chip delayed release to the flat, both receivers looked covered DJ dumps to Belly seemed like the sensible play for 8 yards.

Play 2) three TE set to the right side, run right off tackle Vannett# 46 gets jacked up and tossed like a rag doll and Payne makes the tackle for a 2 yard loss, Bellinger makes a great block on the inside backer wiping him out, Myarick 85 released upfield and blocked nobody. Neal and Glowinski seemed to do there job, Feliciano pulls and seals the peel back but play was blown up by Payne already. Seems like a bad scheme to have a journeyman TE off the practice squad with a one on one with one of the best DT in the game, can't put a single TE on that guy he will blow up the play everytime.

Play 3) 2 rec left one Hodgins# 18 right goes in motion lines up off right tackle as TE, Glowinski pulls play action fake left Hodgins blocks the DE and releases into pattern fall out of screen DJ bootleg right pumps to deek the DE that was in his face and turns up to run and gets tackled one yard short. No idea if Hodgins was open would love to know. The play action did not fool the DE so give him credit they played solid Defense and were ready for the bootlegs all day.

I thought that drive was the momentum shift towards Washington. We never moved the ball after that series Washington's Defense took over the game. We need a center and a guard this offseason.



Yeah I was pretty bummed after that series too. Heck, we had 2nd and 2 and still couldn’t get a first down.


In both 3rd and short yardage everyone knew Barley was getting the ball. Even the concessionaires send down additional people to key on him.. Why not go into a 2 back set. Either Brighwell or Brida. Now you have Jones, Barkley AND another back for the D to key on and stop. I bet donuts either Brightwell or Brida pick up the first. I said this in the game yesterdays thread. Now almost 24 later I still believe a2 back set in either of those 2 situations would have been sucessful!


Yeah, I was screaming at the TV with all those useless hand offs to SB in the 2nd half. I know we have to respect Wash’s D and ability to create a turnover, but it was pretty obvious to me, he alone would not help much…..unlike that Wash RB.
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Matt M. : 12/5/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15933655 ryanmkeane said:
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on the 3rd and 2 in OT when Barkley/James collided, there was a massive hole on the interior right side. I think we get a first down there if its a clean play. sucks.
I didn't love the call there, but it seem like it had a decent chance if James didn't screw up.
I am torn on those 2 deep passes in a row,  
Matt M. : 12/5/2022 11:25 am : link
On one hand, I love going for the win there big time. On the other, it's an odd time to suddenly decide to go vertical...not just in the game, but in the season.

I don't think either throw was very good, but the first still should have been caught and the 2nd seemed like PI to me. I know Vilma said they were both looking back at the ball, but the defender didn't try to play the ball. He pulled Slayton down from behind by the shoulder pads. That's a penalty almost every time.
On number 4, we got a bad spot  
SomeFan : 12/5/2022 11:27 am : link
and had to kick the FG. If the spot were correct and a 1st down, I think we would have had two plays for the EZ before needing to try a FG. We had the momentum to score a TD there.
the second long inc pass to Slayton..  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 11:38 am : link
...was certainly PI and I have no idea what the call was, probably the defender fighting for the ball too.

Guarantee to you other teams get that call.
RE: On number 4, we got a bad spot  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 11:44 am : link
In comment 15933991 SomeFan said:
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and had to kick the FG. If the spot were correct and a 1st down, I think we would have had two plays for the EZ before needing to try a FG. We had the momentum to score a TD there.


You know, I was thinking the same thing at the time it happened but later just assumed I saw it wrong or missed something.
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