Only 8 QBs in NFL history have thrown for 3,000+ yards and rushed for 700+ yards in a single season. Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, RGIII, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Randall Cunningham.
Jones is "on pace" and can do that this year. Pretty impressive despite whatever the current narrative is or whether or not you think he's "good."
Interesting stat though.
Poor?
Abysmal is more like it....
700 yards rushing is a lot for a QB. Jones is having a nice year running. He is a running QB. Great skill set for backup - limit mistakes, make some plays with his legs. Woefully inadequate for a starter.
Allen and Murray threw for 4000 yards. Cunningham had almost 1000 rushing yards, and Jackson over 1000 rushing yards. They also all averaged at least a full yard more per game on the ground, RGIII was over 8 and Lamar, Wilson and Cunningham were pretty close to 8. Most of these seasons were with 1 or 2 less games played.
Not really comparable seasons.
Given our receiving corps, or what’s left of it, it’d be 18 TDs if you suited up…for comparison.
We will see in time whether they think he is talented enough here and its other components holding him and the offense back.
How they are playing now I think you can probably find a QB in the draft in round 2-3 and I gather JS is evaluating that pool versus Jones considering a lot of things. Money being a very high consideration and how that impact other parts of the roster.
He has really showed advancement as a runner though imv. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
This statement is as true as “According to BBI experts, Jones would be winning Super Bowls every year with even a decent supporting cast. He is one of three elite QBs in the game today.”
The point is, what both of us just said is utter nonsense.
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didnt you know? According to bbi experts Jones is one of the worst nfl qb's of all time and this all stems from going to duke.
This statement is as true as “According to BBI experts, Jones would be winning Super Bowls every year with even a decent supporting cast. He is one of three elite QBs in the game today.”
The point is, what both of us just said is utter nonsense.
Not even close to the truth. No one has ever said Jones is a top 3 qb. Literally this weekend he was called a "shit qb" in multiple threads. Learn to read.
I have no problem with Jones...for the right price. I just can't see paying him like a top or 2nd tier QB. And, I can't see him signing for $15M.
That leaves us in a very precarious situation for next year. We either have to 1) ignore other areas of need and trade up for a QB; 2) ignore 1-2 better players we would like to re-sign by grossly overpaying Jones; 3) take our chances with Taylor and another cheap backup, which may be a step back, but still fit in to the longer term plan.
The one thing that is important that does not get as much attention is they will have to win and progress as a team imv. This makes it much more complicated or not depending on his evaluation of Jones and the draft with cost being a very big piece as you suggested.
I have no problem with Jones...for the right price. I just can't see paying him like a top or 2nd tier QB. And, I can't see him signing for $15M.
That leaves us in a very precarious situation for next year. We either have to 1) ignore other areas of need and trade up for a QB; 2) ignore 1-2 better players we would like to re-sign by grossly overpaying Jones; 3) take our chances with Taylor and another cheap backup, which may be a step back, but still fit in to the longer term plan.
Great post and the point I’ve been trying to hammer home. Jones is a non discussion if he’s in his 2nd or 3rd season. But, he’s a free agent. What do you pay him?
Which says nothing.
Just using 30 million the consideration seems to be you look at what you lose on the roster by paying him that and if he is worth that to overcome it. I have no idea what that number is but I don't want to lose some of our good players/add others UNLESS Jones justifies it.
With a rookie. JS can invest (draft/money) in D which I think has the quickest path to being elite in addition to adding to the IOL and WR group. If he is a turd and the losing gets out of hand the next person they will start calling for is BD....and JS will start creeping into that as well in time imv.
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is that Jones isn't anywhere near the top of the league QBs, but isn't near the bottom. He is in the middle, and probably closer to the actual middle than either side would like to admit.
I have no problem with Jones...for the right price. I just can't see paying him like a top or 2nd tier QB. And, I can't see him signing for $15M.
That leaves us in a very precarious situation for next year. We either have to 1) ignore other areas of need and trade up for a QB; 2) ignore 1-2 better players we would like to re-sign by grossly overpaying Jones; 3) take our chances with Taylor and another cheap backup, which may be a step back, but still fit in to the longer term plan.
Great post and the point I’ve been trying to hammer home. Jones is a non discussion if he’s in his 2nd or 3rd season. But, he’s a free agent. What do you pay him?
You negotiate. Schoen will want small number of years and AAV tied to yardage and TDs. Jones agent will want contract linked to wins and qb rating. They'll meet in the middle. Somewhere around what the 15th through 20th highest paid QB gets ... whatever that is.
This is why you build the offense first and then add the qb. And of course we did not do that. In addition we added a RB before we had a good o line.
I'm beginning to believe we have to take a step back. Don't resign Barkley or Jones regardless of there perceived value and use the money to build the roster. ILB, CB, DT, IOL, wr.
Once that is done go out and get your qb through the draft and then a rb.
I think we could really improve the roster with the 35 million it will cost to resign Jones and Barkley. Find a stop gap qb in the second or third round.
3000 yards passing is 176 yards per game over 17 games? 700 rushing yards is 41 ypg. So, 227 total yards a game is worth a big contract? No thanks!
62%
2242 yards / 6.9 y/a
17 tds / 7 ints
91.1 Qb rating
59.6 QBR
764 rushing yards, 3 tds, 6.8 y/r
66%
2365 yards / 6.8 y/a
11 tds / 4 ints
91.2 Qb rating
55.3 QBr
522 rushing yards, 4 tds, 5.7 y/r
You need a lot of things to go right to win it all with a QB like Alex Smith, hence, he never won the big one despite being on some pretty good teams. I'm not interested in a QB like that, he'll keep you relevant but that's it.
There is no benefit to being mediocre/average in the NFL. September to November is fun, and December goes nowhere. The Titans built a respected, physical football team around a dominant runningback that is not going to win anything in this window because they don't have a QB that can put a team over the top. I don't believe the Niners are going to be a real threat with Garoppolo even with an outstanding defense, but he sure can manage the team for the regular season.
I have no problem with Jones...for the right price. I just can't see paying him like a top or 2nd tier QB. And, I can't see him signing for $15M.
That leaves us in a very precarious situation for next year. We either have to 1) ignore other areas of need and trade up for a QB; 2) ignore 1-2 better players we would like to re-sign by grossly overpaying Jones; 3) take our chances with Taylor and another cheap backup, which may be a step back, but still fit in to the longer term plan.
Good post...but do you really think Taylor can't throw 11 TDs in 12 games? DJ isn't a "running QB" despite his rushing yards, and his passing stats aren't in "the middle."
There is no benefit to being mediocre/average in the NFL. September to November is fun, and December goes nowhere. The Titans built a respected, physical football team around a dominant runningback that is not going to win anything in this window because they don't have a QB that can put a team over the top. I don't believe the Niners are going to be a real threat with Garoppolo even with an outstanding defense, but he sure can manage the team for the regular season.
there's nothing stopping either one from shooting the stars. the niners did with lance, they just missed. willis probably doesnt qualify as shooting for the stars but last year i wouldn't have thought hurts did either.
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is that Jones isn't anywhere near the top of the league QBs, but isn't near the bottom. He is in the middle, and probably closer to the actual middle than either side would like to admit.
I have no problem with Jones...for the right price. I just can't see paying him like a top or 2nd tier QB. And, I can't see him signing for $15M.
That leaves us in a very precarious situation for next year. We either have to 1) ignore other areas of need and trade up for a QB; 2) ignore 1-2 better players we would like to re-sign by grossly overpaying Jones; 3) take our chances with Taylor and another cheap backup, which may be a step back, but still fit in to the longer term plan.
Good post...but do you really think Taylor can't throw 11 TDs in 12 games? DJ isn't a "running QB" despite his rushing yards, and his passing stats aren't in "the middle."
he cant because he hasn't stayed healthy for 12 games in a half decade despite entering most of those years as starter. this was just the second time he wasn't his teams opening week starter since 2017 and he got hurt in the only game he entered almost right away. he's played in 21 games since 2017 and has 8 tds. he's only barely durable enough to be a backup at this point.
Taylor is not an answer unless he’s keeping a seat warm for a rook.
I get people have grand dreams of a 4 year year down and rebuild but that’s not how the nfl is these days. You should be competing for a playoff spot at minimum if not your division.
This team is as bereft of talent and depth AND THEN WAS DECIMATED by injuries and with good coaching we should be competing through the end.
That is and should be the expectation every year.