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Arnie D. : 12/5/2022 11:13 am
I heard yesterday that T. Crowder and Rodarius Williams weren’t happy with their roles, but this article claims that other unnamed players aren’t happy as well. BS or true??? Wondering if Jon C. or anyone else has heard anything.
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i think benton has a rep as a shit stirrer  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2022 11:16 am : link
they are on a losing streak so frustrations are normal and obviously crowders tweet seems like there's a problem there (williams' less so but maybe). but either player could get cut tomorrow and the team no worse off so i wouldn't call it a problem.
Not sure why  
Joe Beckwith : 12/5/2022 11:16 am : link
Williams wasn’t playing, but I can understand why Crowder wasn’t.
Complaining about your playing time  
oghwga : 12/5/2022 11:18 am : link
On Twitter seems like the worst possible way to handle it
Unhappy due to low playing time  
SomeFan : 12/5/2022 11:19 am : link
doesn't seem that bad to me.
Well - those two did make tweets about being dissatisfied  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/5/2022 11:19 am : link
I don't think Benton is reaching
Williams  
AcidTest : 12/5/2022 11:19 am : link
is an outside corner, but I still think he would have been better than Moreau or Gilbert, both of whom were roasted.
RE: Unhappy due to low playing time  
Ceez2.0 : 12/5/2022 11:20 am : link
In comment 15933960 SomeFan said:
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doesn't seem that bad to me.


This. Players complaining about playing time isn't a big deal IMO.
Roster isn't very good and more turnover is coming.  
81_Great_Dane : 12/5/2022 11:21 am : link
There are clearly guys who weren't brought in by this regime and who Schoen, Daboll et al aren't particularly confident in. To their credit, Daboll et al have been willing to elevate guys who earned their way to a bigger role, especially Darius Slayton and Oshane Ximenes. But I think there guys who management would prefer to put in the rear-view mirror. Not just Kenny Golladay, either.

Crowder is a backup-level player anyway. I'm not an expert but he may not be a good system fit for Martindale's defense. Don't know what he thinks would happen if he were "free."

I don't know about Williams at all.
weird but your point said another  
jvm52106 : 12/5/2022 11:21 am : link
unnamed player and all I saw was Crowder and Williams.

Losing brings out stuff like this and I couldn't care less what Crowder thinks. He is there because we had injuries and a guy who just couldn't come back from his knee injury the year before. hell, a guy playing on a knee and a half has taken over as our best ILB..

This off season we should see a lot of change but, I think we might see some regression with so many holes to fill. Hopefully we get some guys back next year healthy (so many 2022 draft picks out) and we sign a few solid additions and nail the 2023 draft!
Weird a guy came off the  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/5/2022 11:24 am : link
street and took his job.. do better

The other guy is too inconsistent also lost hs job to a guy off the street
RE: Complaining about your playing time  
Ceez2.0 : 12/5/2022 11:25 am : link
In comment 15933958 oghwga said:
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On Twitter seems like the worst possible way to handle it


People still can't wrap their head around the fact that we live in a world where twitter and social media is part of everyday life. These young players probably don't remember a pre-social media world. They complained about playing time on Twitter, who cares IMO.
Effective Leadership  
noro9 : 12/5/2022 11:26 am : link
Will generate a few malcontents. That's the way it goes.
Tae Crowder  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/5/2022 11:26 am : link
is literally one of the worst ILBs in the league. Just release him if he's starting problems.
This part of the article  
Arnie D. : 12/5/2022 11:27 am : link
Is what caught my attention “The Giants are beginning to see a growing number of players who are unhappy over their playing time and the optimism around the team is quickly turning to pessimism.”
A growing number of players sounds bad, but it could just mean Crowder and Williams also. The writer could be speculating or he might have facts.

RE: RE: Complaining about your playing time  
broadbandz : 12/5/2022 11:27 am : link
In comment 15933983 Ceez2.0 said:
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On Twitter seems like the worst possible way to handle it



People still can't wrap their head around the fact that we live in a world where twitter and social media is part of everyday life. These young players probably don't remember a pre-social media world. They complained about playing time on Twitter, who cares IMO.


Teams should make a rule about tweeting about the team during the season. IF I tweeted about my work I would be fired.
There's probably truth to it, losing tends to do that  
JonC : 12/5/2022 11:31 am : link
Dan Benton has also has shown a tendency to create web hits for himself. I've actually had exchanges here in the past with him over certain points, when he was early in his career.
RE: RE: Complaining about your playing time  
oghwga : 12/5/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15933983 Ceez2.0 said:
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In comment 15933958 oghwga said:


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On Twitter seems like the worst possible way to handle it



People still can't wrap their head around the fact that we live in a world where twitter and social media is part of everyday life. These young players probably don't remember a pre-social media world. They complained about playing time on Twitter, who cares IMO.



I care. You don't air your dirty laundry and you don't whine in public. You keep in house. You don't go to Barzini and complain that the Don doesn't respect you. You'd get whacked.

It's a dick move, it's weak, it's stupid, and if I'm in charge it tells me all I need to know about you.
Thanks Jon,  
Arnie D. : 12/5/2022 11:38 am : link
doesn’t sound like you’ve heard anything specific as of yet.
I gotta be honest here  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2022 11:41 am : link
Pretty much the last thing I care about regarding the Giants is whether one of the worst linebackers in professional football is happy or not.
Agree with JonC  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 11:41 am : link
To me this has gotten worse over time. Much harder to keep that "team" first mentality today. Losing only contributes to it.

I side with the coaches until it becomes clear they are a big part of it. I see no indication this is the case.
Tae Crowder  
Costy16 : 12/5/2022 11:43 am : link
Is one of the last people in the NFL who should be complaining about playing time.
two thoughts  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/5/2022 11:44 am : link
(1) the guys who have publicly been chirping don't have the pelts on the wall to do much talking. Stupid move on the part of highly expendable players.

(2) Another failed intelligence test is using social media to bitch and whine. Dumb.

EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is being evaluated on a daily basis. And these type of "me first" statements will be considered.
No big surprises.  
TC : 12/5/2022 11:45 am : link
Players don't like losing, and most/many think they should be starting. It's part of being competitive. Doesn't necessarily indicate anything more.

Also, Martindale uses different roster combinations for different opponents.

Crowder has performed poorly in his role. On the other hand, Williams has flashed. But that's not the whole tape.

Just cut them now - that will free up more time for them  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2022 11:53 am : link
to do more tweeting
Eric  
JonC : 12/5/2022 11:55 am : link
Yep.
The Giants  
Carson53 : 12/5/2022 11:56 am : link
can move on from both of these players after the season, no great loss. Crowder will definitely be a goner.
Maybe our locker room leaders  
johnnyb : 12/5/2022 12:01 pm : link
like Julian Love or Leonard Williams, someone with a 'C' on their uniform, should pull these malcontents aside for a word or two.
Eric - both good thoughts  
Ira : 12/5/2022 12:03 pm : link
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Any player who puts their feelings out on social media  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2022 12:13 pm : link
will seal his own fate.

If you are not starting because of a rookie or street free agent, do something about it, like learning to tackle.
RE: two thoughts  
AcidTest : 12/5/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15934036 Eric from BBI said:
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(1) the guys who have publicly been chirping don't have the pelts on the wall to do much talking. Stupid move on the part of highly expendable players.

(2) Another failed intelligence test is using social media to bitch and whine. Dumb.

EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is being evaluated on a daily basis. And these type of "me first" statements will be considered.


+1.
Crowder outlasted Austin Calitro.  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/5/2022 12:17 pm : link
On one hand, that's a mild upset because Calitro's salary was guaranteed and Crowder's wasn't. On the other hand, it probably says more about Calitro than Crowder.

I'm sure Crowder is frustrated watching Micah McFadden, who does not appear ready for prime time. But Crowder has been just as bad (aside from one nice game), and unlike McFadden doesn't have a role in the team's future.
People whine when you're not winning  
Biteymax22 : 12/5/2022 12:17 pm : link
It happens everywhere and even with good coaches.

Still, neither of these guys have established themselves enough to run to Twitter complaining. They're both fringe players at weak positions, they can be replaced.

It's not exactly like Wink decided to bench Lawrence or something, he didn't play marginal to bad players. We only gave up 20pts in 5 quarters to a very hot football team. These two need to shut up.
Gotta believe  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/5/2022 12:18 pm : link
they didn't play Rodarius because his strength doesn't play well against the Washington wide outs. They are all fast and shifty.

Not exactly Rodarius strength.

Tae Crowder is a JAG at best, most of the time he is cheeks.
RE: RE: Complaining about your playing time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15933983 Ceez2.0 said:
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In comment 15933958 oghwga said:


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On Twitter seems like the worst possible way to handle it



People still can't wrap their head around the fact that we live in a world where twitter and social media is part of everyday life. These young players probably don't remember a pre-social media world. They complained about playing time on Twitter, who cares IMO.


Realistically, it doesn't matter at all.

But no coach wants locker room stuff said outside. So this does matter. It's poor judgment, which is part of the player's job to consider.
RE: RE: Unhappy due to low playing time  
BigBlueShock : 12/5/2022 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15933966 Ceez2.0 said:
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doesn't seem that bad to me.



This. Players complaining about playing time isn't a big deal IMO.

On Twitter? I beg to differ…
Obviously I am not in the facility to know BUT  
90.Cal : 12/5/2022 12:31 pm : link
The amount of burn #44 is getting over Rodarius Williams is a head scratcher to me… #44 can not cover anyone. Rodarius jumped a pass and picked off a ball in his first opportunity to do so… I wonder why Rodarius doesn’t play more over McCloud (#44) and it doesn’t surprise me that Rodarius is wondering the same, even publicly.

And McFadden does not look good at all to me… obviously he’s one of “their guys”, they just drafted him but he looks like he’s struggling mightily to me… So I’m not surprised Crowder is upset, he’s not great himself but he’s gotta be saying to himself at the very least “this guy took my job?”… not saying it’s right, but he’s human and I get it.

We have 2 HUGE games coming up we CANNOT afford to lose both of them. & Winning both might lock up our playoff spot.
RE: two thoughts  
Payasdaddy : 12/5/2022 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15934036 Eric from BBI said:
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(1) the guys who have publicly been chirping don't have the pelts on the wall to do much talking. Stupid move on the part of highly expendable players.

(2) Another failed intelligence test is using social media to bitch and whine. Dumb.

EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is being evaluated on a daily basis. And these type of "me first" statements will be considered.


Don’t know how more it should be stressed to these guys to keep off Twitter or social media. At least with anything to do with their job
Hated my job plenty. Never ever thought of posting anything about it

Some just don’t fricking get it. Go win your playing time or stfu
RE: Crowder outlasted Austin Calitro.  
Dankbeerman : 12/5/2022 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15934102 Big Blue Blogger said:
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On one hand, that's a mild upset because Calitro's salary was guaranteed and Crowder's wasn't. On the other hand, it probably says more about Calitro than Crowder.

I'm sure Crowder is frustrated watching Micah McFadden, who does not appear ready for prime time. But Crowder has been just as bad (aside from one nice game), and unlike McFadden doesn't have a role in the team's future.


Crowder got benched for McFadden who has been given a long enough leash to be benched himself already.

My question is why do they move on from guys and never go back?
sometimes there are reasons beyond on field performance  
kelly : 12/5/2022 1:06 pm : link
as to why are not playing or who is playing

In any organization there is politics, regardless of the coaches claiming to play those performing best.

Salary, draft position, time left on contract, attitude etc.

Especially true on a rebuilding team. GM may want to see how his drafts picks are performing. Coach may like someones attitude, a player might be a kiss ass, etc

You see this in college, that's why players transfer.
These morons don't pay attention do they  
Dave on the UWS : 12/5/2022 1:35 pm : link
Daboll said FROM THE BEGINNING, that everyone was being evaluated every day. He wants to win, but at the same time he and Schoen need to know EXACTLY what they do and don't have with this roster. That means, some weeks you play a lot, some you don't, which he's also said from day 1.
Bitching and moaning to Twitter will get you shown the door damn quick.
Not smart  
JohnG in Albany : 12/5/2022 1:52 pm : link
Going on social media to bitch about your role on a team where your first year coach has your team's record way above what the talent on the roster would indicate, is begging to not return next year.

So unless that's their intent, not a good plan.
social media literally affords the worst of humanity a voice  
djm : 12/5/2022 1:53 pm : link
even good people --their voice turns dumb the minute social medis involved.

Throw the whole fucking thing into a black hole and be done with it all. What a monumental drain on humanity it is. Fucking garbage.
Seriously...  
Dnew15 : 12/5/2022 2:00 pm : link
cut them.

Both of them.
Two fringe players...  
Vinny from Danbury : 12/5/2022 2:08 pm : link
Who should consider themselves lucky to still be collecting an NFL salary complain on Twitter about playing time? Not showing a lot of intelligence there. The Bench is probably where they belong.
If you can't earn playing time...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2022 2:14 pm : link
on this roster this year at those positions, maybe a nice long look in the mirror and see the problem is you.
Who cares really, but the Honeymoon  
mittenedman : 12/5/2022 2:15 pm : link
period for Daboll & Kafka is officially over. They had early success but nobody knew what they were going to do.

Now, it appears the book is out, and they need to counterpunch. I loved Joe Judge his 1st year, too, and by midway through year 2 I couldn't stand him.
RE: two thoughts  
JohnF : 12/5/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15934036 Eric from BBI said:
(1) the guys who have publicly been chirping don't have the pelts on the wall to do much talking. Stupid move on the part of highly expendable players.

Don't like not starting? Study harder, and start making plays in practice and in games. Be BETTER than the alternatives. It's really not hard, unless you don't have the talent.

These players aren't stupid, they know why they aren't starting. They've been told they aren't better than the playrs who are. Don't like it? Prove the coaches wrong. Talking just shows they can't do it.

Another failed intelligence test is using social media to bitch and whine. Dumb.

Actually, Eric, using Social Media to get the team to move you has been used rather successfully in sports. The problem is other teams don't like these kind of players UNLESS their scouts think the players have massive talent or fit a need. I tend to doubt that for these two.

EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is being evaluated on a daily basis. And these type of "me first" statements will be considered.

True, but the major considerations will be "Can this player help the team or not?" and "Are they worth the hassle of keeping them?". Teams know they need players who can play, and will allow a certain amount of "noise" if the player(s) make a significant impact on the team's success.

That's not fair, but it is what it is.
My take..  
whispa : 12/5/2022 6:33 pm : link
is if these 2 take it to twitter or social comms to voice their displeasure, get them off the team. Especially Tae. Is this guy serious acting like a bonafide playermaker? Boot them off if they are starting to erode the locker room.

Also, some people still need to realize it's a poor roster this Gm and coach inherited. Wake up and be realistic since there are teams with stacked rosters fairing much worse..
According to Fansided  
Beer Man : 12/6/2022 5:41 am : link
Crowder has asked to be released
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Here is  
Beer Man : 12/6/2022 5:42 am : link
Crowder's Twitter feed
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Bachman with a weird tweet as well  
Sean : 12/6/2022 6:41 am : link
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Alex Bachman

@AlexBachman
It’s a freeing moment when you can look back at a moment of disappointment, and have clarity on why God directed it to happen. I got that moment today… and man what a blessing that “disappointment” was. Thank you God
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