Shocking stat about Jones and the inept recievers.

Based on the talent at WR,DJ has done outstanding

They had Slayton, Robinson and Shepard they would be tolerable. Not great but okay to get by.

Right now it's just frustrating to even watch.

You can’t pick only one each year. The interior of the Oline is just as glaring a problem as the WRs. LB, CB, TE also critical needs.

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Based on the talent at WR,DJ has done outstanding

Outstanding? You grade very generously.

Just like the OL was last year. Try and sign a decent WR in FA and draft WR in rounds 1, 3, & 5.

In comment 15934126 Mike from Ohio said:

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You can’t pick only one each year. The interior of the Oline is just as glaring a problem as the WRs. LB, CB, TE also critical needs.

Agreed....this is a team with many holes and not enough depth to cover for the sheer amount of losses they've had this season. Which is why I'm over the moon with their record so far. They are gamers, no matter what they're talent level is. Hats off to the coaches and players for wringing everything they can out of this season.

In what world is that guy a #2/3?. At best he's a #4. He drops way too many balls to be anything more than a 4. He just looks alot better than he is because of the slop around him.

Robinson and maybe Hodgins might be only WRs still on the team next year. Slayton is just too unreliable. Maybe he hangs on but 16% drop rate is tough to deal with. Watching Iggles, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins so deep in WRs is depressing.

Actually has 5 of the 20 total drops. According to the stats I saw this morning, we are tied for 4th in drops but we throw so infrequently that the rate stat might be correct.

Leqgue median is about 17 drops, so if we were average by that stat, we'd probably have about 4 more completed passes over the course of the season.

where would you rank the Giants WR/TE corps?
In my mind it's easily 15th.
They have 1 NFL caliber receiver and a couple of other guys (Hodgins & James) that are marginal NFL roster types.

So it should not be shocking that the Giants have paltry numbers. Remember, this is year 1 of a rebuild and WR was not a high priority in this past offseason.

on the team that they thought would all be key pieces heading into the year so drops are not unexpected imv.

Unfortunately like a lot of things in this game it is not just the drop but the situation where it happened and negative consequence. Slayton's drop is not only a drop it had a huge impact on the game.

In comment 15934152 Jerry in_DC said:

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Actually has 5 of the 20 total drops. According to the stats I saw this morning, we are tied for 4th in drops but we throw so infrequently that the rate stat might be correct. Leqgue median is about 17 drops, so if we were average by that stat, we'd probably have about 4 more completed passes over the course of the season.

20 drops is being exceedingly kind.

A drop every 16 passes means two over the course of 32 passes, and he often does not throw that many. Is it really a big difference between that and say a drop every 17 or 18 passes? Is that really what is preventing Jones from being anything other than a ham and egg, journeyman qb? How about consistently putting the ball where the receivers don't have to make circus catches to catch it? This guy struggles to accurately throw 3 yard passes.

The drumbeating for an all-world receiver when the qb can't accurately target the guys here now is just a further exercise in excuse making.

In comment 15934163 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15934152 Jerry in_DC said: Quote: Actually has 5 of the 20 total drops. According to the stats I saw this morning, we are tied for 4th in drops but we throw so infrequently that the rate stat might be correct. Leqgue median is about 17 drops, so if we were average by that stat, we'd probably have about 4 more completed passes over the course of the season. 20 drops is being exceedingly kind.

I mean...look it up. Or if you've tracked every play of all 200 games this year, feel free to post your stats as well.

I was going to post a question: Is it fair and necessary to recognize that Jones has no one to throw the ball to? I thought he was very solid albeit the play calling in the 2nd half was awful. Slayton is our best WR and would be a #3 on any other team that was stacked at WR. Hodgins is nice (still a #3) and then James? The Commanders had MClauren (clearly a #1), Samuel (better than any of our receivers..). I read a lot of BBI and Twitter posts and it doesn't look like we are consistent in recognizing he has no one to throw the ball to at all at the WR position.

The fumble was brutal, but he has NFL hands and looks like he belongs. I was surprised Schoen didn't claim him the first time he was waived. Pretty impressive when a mid-season waiver pickup passes a guy with a $17.75MM cap number $40MM in guarantees (Golladay), as well as the incumbent backup (Sills). With Slayton hitting free agency, Hodgins and Robinson (assuming a timely rehab) are the only receivers you can reasonably pencil in for 2023. I wouldn't even mind them as the #2 and #3 guys, but to get by with that you would need a real #1 - not Darius Slayton, who is a very nice #4, or maybe a #2 in the right system.

how good was Tua until they got him some receivers?

Rodgers stinks now that he has no receivers

How good was Hurts until they got him receivers.

Not saying Jones is great but you cannot dismiss how important good wide receivers are to a qb.

Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now...

Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes.

Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs.

In comment 15934164 HomerJones45 said:

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A drop every 16 passes means two over the course of 32 passes, and he often does not throw that many. Is it really a big difference between that and say a drop every 17 or 18 passes? Is that really what is preventing Jones from being anything other than a ham and egg, journeyman qb? How about consistently putting the ball where the receivers don't have to make circus catches to catch it? This guy struggles to accurately throw 3 yard passes. The drumbeating for an all-world receiver when the qb can't accurately target the guys here now is just a further exercise in excuse making.

What is God's name are you talking about? If you want to see a QB making bad throws that receivers need "to make circus catches...." you saw it yesterday with Washington. At 4:25PM you saw it with Tua. Jones, on the whole, has been fairly accurate all season. He missed the 4th & 1 in Dallas, but c'mon you are way over the top here.

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how good was Tua until they got him some receivers? Rodgers stinks now that he has no receivers How good was Hurts until they got him receivers. Very true Not saying Jones is great but you cannot dismiss how important good wide receivers are to a qb.

In comment 15934123 Giants said:

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Based on the talent at WR,DJ has done outstanding

Not to mention nothing this year from Toney

...is that the most important criterion in evaluating him, IMHO, is one that I'm completely unqualified to assess: Is he finding open receivers, when they exist, and delivering the ball to them on time/in space? Even if you gave me unlimited access to the All-22 view, I probably wouldn't know what what to look for. As a casual observation, I think he misses some shots, but it's possible that those occasions stand out because his receivers are rarely open.

The drops are a real thing, but I doubt they materially affect the overall evaluation.

In comment 15934199 Big Blue Blogger said:

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The fumble was brutal, but he has NFL hands and looks like he belongs. I was surprised Schoen didn't claim him the first time he was waived. Pretty impressive when a mid-season waiver pickup passes a guy with a $17.75MM cap number $40MM in guarantees (Golladay), as well as the incumbent backup (Sills). With Slayton hitting free agency, Hodgins and Robinson (assuming a timely rehab) are the only receivers you can reasonably pencil in for 2023. I wouldn't even mind them as the #2 and #3 guys, but to get by with that you would need a real #1 - not Darius Slayton, who is a very nice #4, or maybe a #2 in the right system.

How can Jones be solid if he has no one to throw to? What made him solid? Was it his high completion rate that made him solid, and if so, who were catching these balls? 136 yards passing is not a solid game. Even with the WR he has, Jones should be averaging 235+ passing yards a game. He can't even average 200 and that's on the QB.

Going, Going, Gone.

Jones needs a great OL and a great group of WR and even then there would probably be more excuses.

Galloday, Toney, Sheppard and Wandale all playing to expectations should have no impact on that stat (QBR and others) and the players filling in should not have any type of impact on the QB not considering all the other variables involved. Makes sense.

Seems ridiculous that many WR's are becoming the highest compensated players and the draft sees teams drafting them very high and in cases more frequently now trading up.

I guess these GM's don't have it all figures out after all.

In comment 15934202 bw in dc said:

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Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs.

He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results.

There are too many wholes to draft 3 WR's. CB, OL and MLB need to be addressed in early and mid rounds as well. I they pick three I would think 1st day and two on day 3

In comment 15934294 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15934202 bw in dc said: Quote: Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs. He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results.

btw Herbert's QBR yesterday was 15. I didn't know they went that low. Anyone looking the other way?

In comment 15934337 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15934294 Ron Johnson said: Quote: In comment 15934202 bw in dc said: Quote: Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs. He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results. btw Herbert's QBR yesterday was 15. I didn't know they went that low. Anyone looking the other way?

Herbert is killing me in FF. I'm not sure what's going on in SD, i mean LA, but I have a feeling he's going to have a new HC next year

In comment 15934294 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15934202 bw in dc said: Quote: Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs. He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results.

I consider PR to be one of the least credible metrics for evaluating QB performance.

In comment 15934164 HomerJones45 said:

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A drop every 16 passes means two over the course of 32 passes, and he often does not throw that many. Is it really a big difference between that and say a drop every 17 or 18 passes? Is that really what is preventing Jones from being anything other than a ham and egg, journeyman qb? How about consistently putting the ball where the receivers don't have to make circus catches to catch it? This guy struggles to accurately throw 3 yard passes. The drumbeating for an all-world receiver when the qb can't accurately target the guys here now is just a further exercise in excuse making.

The New York Giants have 20 drops on 316 Pass Attempts

Daniel Jones 1 Drop every 15.8 PA
Cousins 1 Drop every 29.57 PA
Hurts 1 Drop every 28.9 PA
Burrow 1 Drop every 31.46 PA
Kyler 1 Drop every 32.4 PA
Mariota 1 Drop every 34.5 PA
Carr 1 Drop/42.6 PA
Geno 1 Drop/44.1 PA

but if we had one more good guard and Jalen Waddle and Tyreke Hill at WR we would be fucking nasty. Yes, NASTY. And with Jones at QB.

Call me crazy. I fully believe this.

In comment 15934346 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15934337 Ron Johnson said: Quote: In comment 15934294 Ron Johnson said: Quote: In comment 15934202 bw in dc said: Quote: Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs. He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results. btw Herbert's QBR yesterday was 15. I didn't know they went that low. Anyone looking the other way? Herbert is killing me in FF. I'm not sure what's going on in SD, i mean LA, but I have a feeling he's going to have a new HC next year

that team was supposed to be built to contend for the title.

A very poor performance all around

not take the boring and way too easy yet often failed approach of simply filling holes, but we need to become GREAT at something.

It's all about game breakers. Greatness. We have 2 great DL. 2 young and talented edge rushers and 2 very good safeties. We have one great RB and two bookend tackles. We have a mobile QB who is pretty accurate. He's definitely tough and no one works harder at his craft.

BUILD on that. IF you can add a great DE to turn a good line into a great one fucking do it. If you can add a star WR that's in his prime and it costs a draft pick and money? DO IT.

We didn't lose for ten years because we were too aggressive or risk taking, no matter what some may think. We lost because we play it too damn safe all the time. Be bold. GET THE GREAT PLAYERS. We aint winning shit without them.

In comment 15934370 djm said:

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but if we had one more good guard and Jalen Waddle and Tyreke Hill at WR we would be fucking nasty. Yes, NASTY. And with Jones at QB. Call me crazy. I fully believe this.

I think if we had McLaurin and Wash didn't we win that game by two TDs yesterday. What a pain in the ass that guy is.

Not even close.

Over and over the same thing. We all know we suck at wide reciever. How many fucking threads do we need to cover this? Teams have caught up to us. The Wan'del injury, like the Xavier McKinney injury and the Adoree Jackson injury were killers for our team. It's also pretty obvious now that the Ojulari injury was a killer also. Imagine having Aaron Robinson, Xavier, Adoree, and Ojulari all healthy now. Our pass rush yesterday was really nice to see.

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Over and over the same thing. We all know we suck at wide reciever. How many fucking threads do we need to cover this? Teams have caught up to us. The Wan'del injury, like the Xavier McKinney injury and the Adoree Jackson injury were killers for our team. It's also pretty obvious now that the Ojulari injury was a killer also. Imagine having Aaron Robinson, Xavier, Adoree, and Ojulari all healthy now. Our pass rush yesterday was really nice to see.

I didn’t start it as a bash the wr thread. I was shocked that he leads the league in drops by receivers.

Was on Giants.com. You can get a Toney jersey for $11!!!!

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Not even close.

Slayton had to take a pay cut to be a 6

Far too many are making it sound like the offense is horrible. Or that it’s scoring 16 ppg or nearly identical to the 1996 nyg offense.

It’s not horrible. It scores 20 ppg. DJ, Barkley and Thomas are the reasons why this offense isn’t completely god awful. No one is making fucking excuses we are merely trying to correct some really dumb takes.

In comment 15934356 Blackmax00 said:

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In comment 15934164 HomerJones45 said: Quote: A drop every 16 passes means two over the course of 32 passes, and he often does not throw that many. Is it really a big difference between that and say a drop every 17 or 18 passes? Is that really what is preventing Jones from being anything other than a ham and egg, journeyman qb? How about consistently putting the ball where the receivers don't have to make circus catches to catch it? This guy struggles to accurately throw 3 yard passes. The drumbeating for an all-world receiver when the qb can't accurately target the guys here now is just a further exercise in excuse making. The New York Giants have 20 drops on 316 Pass Attempts Daniel Jones 1 Drop every 15.8 PA Cousins 1 Drop every 29.57 PA Hurts 1 Drop every 28.9 PA Burrow 1 Drop every 31.46 PA Kyler 1 Drop every 32.4 PA Mariota 1 Drop every 34.5 PA Carr 1 Drop/42.6 PA Geno 1 Drop/44.1 PA

So, twice as bad as the next worst set of receivers. Next level ineptitude.

In comment 15934370 djm said:

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but if we had one more good guard and Jalen Waddle and Tyreke Hill at WR we would be fucking nasty. Yes, NASTY. And with Jones at QB. Call me crazy. I fully believe this.

So do I.

that some of you refuse to see or acknowledge. Other than Thomas and Barkley's talent, the single biggest reason why Barkley has 1000 yards already is Daniel Jones and his running ability. IT's why Warrick Dunn was an above average rusher for ATL when Vick was there. It's why RBs thrive with Lamar Jackson.

Teams have to worry about ONE more thing besides Barkley and it aint the fucking WRs and it aint the subpar but improving OL. It's Jones.

If we have Jimmy G under center we are worse this season. If we have the WASH QB we are worse. We aren't running for nearly 2000 yards by week 18 with those guys.

Jones aint perfect by any means. He's not the best pocket passer and he doesn't always see the field. That doesn't mean he brings nothing to the table.

In comment 15934147 The_Taxman89_10 said:

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In what world is that guy a #2/3?. At best he's a #4. He drops way too many balls to be anything more than a 4. He just looks alot better than he is because of the slop around him.

If you have a genuine stud WR1, there isn't a whole lot of difference between your #2 and #4 WRs (depending more on their versatility within the scheme than anything else).

Would it be great to have enough really talented WRs that someone like Slayton would be nearer to the bottom of the depth chart? Sure. But if you lined up a stud #1 WR like AJ Brown or Ja'Marr Chase opposite Slayton, with Robinson in the slot and Barkley in the backfield, your skill positions are fine.

You don't need to bring in an entirely new depth chart just to improve the position group. Just adding a top-end ace WR would result in the remaining incumbents falling into more logical spots in the depth chart. Maybe you add a depth piece (either in the middle rounds of the draft or the later waves of free agency) and grab a few UDFA after the draft. Anything more than that is likely to represent an overspend of resources.

In comment 15934337 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15934294 Ron Johnson said: Quote: In comment 15934202 bw in dc said: Quote: Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs. He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results. btw Herbert's QBR yesterday was 15. I didn't know they went that low. Anyone looking the other way?

Those posters are looking the other way, for sure, and I'm a believer in Herbert. His coaching has sucked and he's battled injuries on his offense. Other guys won't get the excuses, but apparently some do.

Beckham drafting Toney in the first round and giving a premium contract to Golloday is a positional microcosm of how badly Dave Gettleman completely wrecked the Giants during his horrific tenure.

In comment 15934294 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15934202 bw in dc said: Quote: Jones continues his slide. He's now down to 15th in the league. Certain posters were posting call out threads when Jones was in the top ten. My guess is they are looking the other way now... Reminder: QBR takes into account dropped passes. Meanwhile, Jones is now 22nd in YPA, 19th in AY/A, 23rd in ANY/A, 14th in completion% and 23rd in TDs. He also had the 6th best passer rating in the league yesterday. Mixed results.

Passer rating is not a useful metric in small samples. For example, a few weeks ago Slayton made that broken tackle, long run after the catch, which he scored on, vs Houston. It was a 2 yard pass. That play improved Jones' passer rating by 50 points.

There is no other NFL team where he is a 2 and he likely is barely a 3 on most teams

They just played Washington and he wouldn’t see the field with their WR

This is how we bad the WR situation actually is