NFT: Mets really do sign Verlander 2 for 86 (3rd year vested OP)

And don't they usually go for like 6 innings?


Mama Lucia....

Verlander piece
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he won't be around to stick it to the Yankees in the playoffs.

Verlander was the right move. Rodon is younger but has an extensive injury history AND would have cost @mets
2 draft picks and 1 million in IFA pool money (rumored to have a strong IFA class upcoming)

Max and JV will be off the books in 2025
Cap will look a lot better

much better fit and less long term risk.

Man its nice having Cohen. Lose Degrom, ok, lets just sign verlander.

Shocked he did not demand three years guaranteed but I agree he is a better option than Rodon.

Justin Verlander is 56 wins from 300. The last SP to win 300 games with @mets
was Tom Glavine (ugh). Seaver didn't win his 300th with @mets
, or did Spahn obviously neither did Ryan, so I *think* Verlander is aiming to be the second in franchise history (I think)

But the length is reasonable for someone like Verlander. Would like to see the terms of the option though.

Jacob Degrom played 11 games and went 5-4 with a 3.08 ERA.

You replace Degrom with Verlander, Mets win the 2022 division

In comment 15934130 Anakim said:

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And don't they usually go for like 6 innings? Mama Lucia....

Why do you premise everything you say with “not a baseball fan”? I remember you being active on Met threads back in the day.

says they are interested in Benintendi to replace Nimmo,. add Kiermaier in CF and and they could look to trade Canha. Not a big fan of this. Benintendi (if he's better) than Canha it's marginal. The return on Canha won't be much and and Kiermaier 88 OPS+ since 2018. I don't see how Benintendi/Kiermaier/Marte looks like a clear downgrade to me.

In comment 15934142 DanMetroMan said:

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Verlander was the right move. Rodon is younger but has an extensive injury history AND would have cost @mets 2 draft picks and 1 million in IFA pool money (rumored to have a strong IFA class upcoming)

Can you tell me why this is? Why wouldn’t Verlander coat draft pick compensation?

In comment 15934176 Sean said:

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In comment 15934142 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Verlander was the right move. Rodon is younger but has an extensive injury history AND would have cost @mets 2 draft picks and 1 million in IFA pool money (rumored to have a strong IFA class upcoming) Can you tell me why this is? Why wouldn’t Verlander coat draft pick compensation?

Because Verlander was not eligible for a qualifying offer from the Astros and Rodon was (and received one). When you sign a player who received a qualifying offer from his current team you lose the draft picks and IFA pool money that DMM mentioned above.

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In comment 15934142 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Verlander was the right move. Rodon is younger but has an extensive injury history AND would have cost @mets 2 draft picks and 1 million in IFA pool money (rumored to have a strong IFA class upcoming) Can you tell me why this is? Why wouldn’t Verlander coat draft pick compensation?

Verlander wasn’t eligible for a QO, Rodon got one, hence the loss of picks.

That’s a big plus in signing Verlander.

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In comment 15934142 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Verlander was the right move. Rodon is younger but has an extensive injury history AND would have cost @mets 2 draft picks and 1 million in IFA pool money (rumored to have a strong IFA class upcoming) Can you tell me why this is? Why wouldn’t Verlander coat draft pick compensation?

Rodon received a qualifying offer (QO). Only certain situations is a player eligible for a QO:

A. Have never received a qualifying offer previously in their career, and

B. Have spent the entire season on that team's roster (so in-season acquisitions are ineligible)

Qualifying Offer helps the team who loses a free agent in the same way compensation picks help teams in NFL, and they also punish a team trying to sign a guy who has received a QO in the ways that DMM mentioned for Rodon.

Verlander probably got a QO on him years ago so is ineligible for one.

but Jake will be the same age Verlander is now after his 5 year deal with Texas

speaking to both Bassitt and Taillon (they thought they might be close with Taillon last week but his market is very hot) Bassitt currently asking for *5* years (he won't get that) but the fact they remain involved leads me to believe they may be willing to go 4 years or 3 with a vested option. I'd be happy with either Bassitt or Taillon, Bassitt a bit better, Taillon younger with some intriguing under the hood stuff.

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Verlander details #mets

$43.3M per year
Full no trade
3rd year option: at $35M

In comment 15934206 DanMetroMan said:

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speaking to both Bassitt and Taillon (they thought they might be close with Taillon last week but his market is very hot) Bassitt currently asking for *5* years (he won't get that) but the fact they remain involved leads me to believe they may be willing to go 4 years or 3 with a vested option. I'd be happy with either Bassitt or Taillon, Bassitt a bit better, Taillon younger with some intriguing under the hood stuff.

if Hefner thinks he can unlock something with Taillon then I prefer we go that route.

Probably won’t be Rodon but I would not rule it out.

Losing picks and pool money would suck, but it should also lower his price, right? Or does Verlandrr being off the market raise his price?

Either way, good job by Mets moving fast on Verlandr

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says they are interested in Benintendi to replace Nimmo,. add Kiermaier in CF and and they could look to trade Canha. Not a big fan of this. Benintendi (if he's better) than Canha it's marginal. The return on Canha won't be much and and Kiermaier 88 OPS+ since 2018. I don't see how Benintendi/Kiermaier/Marte looks like a clear downgrade to me.

hearing that the expectation is Benindendi will end up in Houston unless something changes. He's fine but I wouldn't lose any sleep over him.

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Probably won’t be Rodon but I would not rule it out. Losing picks and pool money would suck, but it should also lower his price, right? Or does Verlandrr being off the market raise his price? Either way, good job by Mets moving fast on Verlandr

I don't see the Mets giving up a 2nd and 5th round pick and 1 million in money likely already committed aka losing "signed" players to sign Rodon. I'd be very surprised to see them go that route at this point. Maybe if Verlander went to LAD and they became desperate.

the Post has Kate the Great on the cover tomorrow.

In comment 15934157 DanMetroMan said:

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Justin Verlander is 56 wins from 300. The last SP to win 300 games with @mets was Tom Glavine (ugh). Seaver didn't win his 300th with @mets , or did Spahn obviously neither did Ryan, so I *think* Verlander is aiming to be the second in franchise history (I think)

He'll get his 3000th win with someone else I imagine. He's not having consecutive 28 win seasons.

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In comment 15934226 adamg said:

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In comment 15934157 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Justin Verlander is 56 wins from 300. The last SP to win 300 games with @mets was Tom Glavine (ugh). Seaver didn't win his 300th with @mets , or did Spahn obviously neither did Ryan, so I *think* Verlander is aiming to be the second in franchise history (I think) He'll get his 3000th win with someone else I imagine. He's not having consecutive 28 win seasons.

3rd year option for 35 million if he pitches 140 innings in year 2. That's 18.6 wins per season for 3 years, very tough but not impossible

In comment 15934226 adamg said:

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In comment 15934157 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Justin Verlander is 56 wins from 300. The last SP to win 300 games with @mets was Tom Glavine (ugh). Seaver didn't win his 300th with @mets , or did Spahn obviously neither did Ryan, so I *think* Verlander is aiming to be the second in franchise history (I think) He'll get his 3000th win with someone else I imagine. He's not having consecutive 28 win seasons.

He'll probably get the 3rd year. It's a vesting option and it'll probably be something easily attainable. Has to average 19 wins though which is still a lot.

56 wins would be a LOT

Looks solid chance like JV will be with the Mets for *3* seasons barring significant injury. He's pitched 140 or more innings 14 times

Mets should be able to avoid the option.

to guess that if he's anywhere near 56 wins after 3 years that 1. He pitched very well here 2. They/he would look to bring him back for 300 but we are getting way, way ahead of ourselves.

Two of those were in his prime. It's more than optimistic to think he'll get to 300 wins on this contract.

In comment 15934243 DanMetroMan said:

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to guess that if he's anywhere near 56 wins after 3 years that 1. He pitched very well here 2. They/he would look to bring him back for 300 but we are getting way, way ahead of ourselves.

A lot of teams would want him for that. I'd think DET would be his preferred place to do that.

Kate Upton!!

Interesting how little Conforto talk there has been (not necessarily with NYM just in general) mostly just some Houston/Hometown Seattle stuff

Murphy trade expected this week. Interestingly St. Louis has been mentioned but not Houston, may signify they feel they are the favorites for Contreras (or they aren't as high on Murphy?)

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Murphy trade expected this week. Interestingly St. Louis has been mentioned but not Houston, may signify they feel they are the favorites for Contreras (or they aren't as high on Murphy?)

Damnit. I wish the Yankees were in on Murphy. Dude is a stud.

best way to get a marquee guy without mortgaging the future in any way.

It's very weird... least excited I've ever been for a major Mets FA acquisition..

Replaced one future HoF with another future HoF. Glad to see them get it done. Which starting pitcher do they sign next?

but what about Nathan Eovaldi as a possible addition?

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Murphy trade expected this week. Interestingly St. Louis has been mentioned but not Houston, may signify they feel they are the favorites for Contreras (or they aren't as high on Murphy?)

Braves might be involved also I thought I read.

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In comment 15934258 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Murphy trade expected this week. Interestingly St. Louis has been mentioned but not Houston, may signify they feel they are the favorites for Contreras (or they aren't as high on Murphy?) Braves might be involved also I thought I read.

Feinsand corrected his initial report, Braves not involved

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but what about Nathan Eovaldi as a possible addition?

Eovaldi is overrated imo. I guess with the Mets rotation as strong as it is, he'd be solid as a back of the rotation guy. He'll likely want some change. But if Cohen is ponying up...

"But Verlander represents a different class of pitcher than Rodón or Senga, a first-ballot Hall of Famer who has expressed a desire to pitch into his mid-40s. His final campaign in his 30s was one of his best. As his fastball velocity has dimmed, ever so slightly, he has continued to confound hitters with the deployment of his curveball and his sliders, a pair of offspeed offerings which evaluators continue to praise. A survey of executives suggested that while deGrom may crest to a higher ceiling than Verlander, a two-year commitment to Verlander carries far less risk than a five-year deal with deGrom. "

In comment 15934269 moze1021 said:

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best way to get a marquee guy without mortgaging the future in any way. It's very weird... least excited I've ever been for a major Mets FA acquisition..

Him and Scherzer feel like pure mercenaries. Oh well, I’m sure we’ll enjoy watching them pitch come summer.

Cohen is just going buy starting pitching for the foreseeable future because the internal cupboard is completely bare.

would cost the Mets a 2nd and 5th round pick and 1 million in IFA pool money. He will not be a Met.