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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2022 12:25 pm
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When  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 1:22 pm : link
Munetaka Murakami finally is allowed to leave the buzz is going be MASSIVE. He and Sasaki are true potential MLB superstars.
Hard  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 1:29 pm : link
meh here. Nice 2022, but he's 33 and has been mediocre for most of his career. Zero upside. Not a #3 on a contender. Unless he's in addition to another SP, pass.

Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Right-handed free agent Ross Stripling is another name I’ve heard connected to the Mets.

Stripling had a 3.01 ERA and 1.02 WHIP in 131 innings for the Blue Jays this season.
it's tough to tell when the mets are leaking interest vs. agents  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 1:31 pm : link
because both are mutually beneficial. all sides are leaking stuff to make it appear they have options they are looking into.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 1:50 pm : link
think it'll be Senga or Taillon. We shall see.
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speedywheels : 12/6/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15935699 DanMetroMan said:
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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Padres offer to Trea Turner was for more than the Lindor ($341M) deal


Wow - he took 40+ million LESS to play in philly? I get that CA taxes can be high, but that's crazy...
RE: I  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15935838 DanMetroMan said:
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think it'll be Senga or Taillon. We shall see.


that's what seems like. it's pretty remarkable how similar walker and taillon are, but taillon does seem a bit better across the board.

walks slightly fewer (career 2.21 vs. 2.85 walker).
k's slightly more (career 8.11 k/9 vs. 8.08 walker).
gives up slightly fewer homers (career 12.2% vs. 12.7% walker).

their ground ball rates are almost identical 43.6% walker vs 43.7% taillon.

taillon about half a mph faster on his fastball, rates better in the spin peripherals.

if the prices are similar i can see where there's a little extra upside projection on taillon. both big guys so hopefully they can maintain their velocity and overcome prior injuries.
RE: Hard  
KDavies : 12/6/2022 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15935805 DanMetroMan said:
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meh here. Nice 2022, but he's 33 and has been mediocre for most of his career. Zero upside. Not a #3 on a contender. Unless he's in addition to another SP, pass.

Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Right-handed free agent Ross Stripling is another name I’ve heard connected to the Mets.

Stripling had a 3.01 ERA and 1.02 WHIP in 131 innings for the Blue Jays this season.


Stripling would be a very nice addition, but agreed that would be in addition to Taillon/Senga.

Verlander
Scherzer
Carrasco
Taillon/Senga
Stripling

Megill
Peterson
Elieser

maybe Megill to BP?
Heaney  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 2:03 pm : link
has "multiple" 3 year offers on the table, looking for 4. I like the upside, but I'm "out" on him if that's the case.
if SFG get Judge i think that probably helps mets chances re nimmo  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 2:03 pm : link
judge seems like the next big domino, with his decision impacting nimmo and rodon.

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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Giants are in with a big offer to Judge — believed to be $360M neighborhood — but the assumption/belief among rivals is that the Yankees remain favorites. Yankees are hopeful but say they still don’t know.
RE: if SFG get Judge i think that probably helps mets chances re nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15935865 Eric on Li said:
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judge seems like the next big domino, with his decision impacting nimmo and rodon.



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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Giants are in with a big offer to Judge — believed to be $360M neighborhood — but the assumption/belief among rivals is that the Yankees remain favorites. Yankees are hopeful but say they still don’t know.



Yankees reportedly considering trying to keep Judge and then also sign Nimmo
that 360m presumably over 9 years is basically high water mark proj.  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 2:09 pm : link
MLBTR had 8x332m. if so a very big offer for judge.

outcome either way could impact how strong yanks go for rodon, i still expect yanks to bring back judge though.

you would think sfg would likely be out on nimmo if they get judge?
Xander  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 2:10 pm : link
is unbelievably underrated considering the career he's had. I think he's going to be a steal for somebody.
judge and rodon need to make their decisions already  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 2:11 pm : link
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Michael Marino @MarinoMLB
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Sounds like Mets are hoping to have an answer on their second added starter by the end of this week, but are fine if that ends up not being the case. Taillon/Senga, like @Joelsherman1 reported are 2 they are watching closely and might even prefer over others.
RE: Xander  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15935877 DanMetroMan said:
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is unbelievably underrated considering the career he's had. I think he's going to be a steal for somebody.


I think Dansby in that category too. this is a really good FA class. Both projected under 200m is surprising to me considering turner just got 300m.
Xander  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 2:18 pm : link
since 2015 by fWAR

4.6
3.9
3.1
4.4
5.9
1.6 (60 game season)
4.4
6.1

His one bad season was his rookie year where he was 21 (and probably rushed)

Also since 2015 he's 12th in fWAR in all of baseball
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 2:25 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets and Brandon Nimmo have remained in contact, but the two sides are not scheduled to meet this week here at the winter meetings.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 2:31 pm : link
How about bringing in Yankees legend Matt Carpenter for the bench? Can play OF/1b/DH/3b. Ridiculous run in 2022
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KDavies : 12/6/2022 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15935907 DanMetroMan said:
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How about bringing in Yankees legend Matt Carpenter for the bench? Can play OF/1b/DH/3b. Ridiculous run in 2022


My understanding is that he's a pretty bad fielder at this point in his career. I would not be opposed to it, as he was dominant at times last year. Just that he's a tough fit with the Mets right now with Vientos, Vogelbach, etc.
Carpenter  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 3:24 pm : link
-1 DRS at 1b, +1 OAA
+ 1 DRS at 3b, 0 OAA
0 DRS in LF, 0 OAA
0 DRS in RF, 0 OAA

So by the numbers he was the epitome of "fine" defensively
Hoping  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 3:27 pm : link
they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?
RE: Hoping  
Mike in NY : 12/6/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15936021 DanMetroMan said:
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they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?


Any other names to watch for?
RE: Carpenter  
KDavies : 12/6/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15936011 DanMetroMan said:
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-1 DRS at 1b, +1 OAA
+ 1 DRS at 3b, 0 OAA
0 DRS in LF, 0 OAA
0 DRS in RF, 0 OAA

So by the numbers he was the epitome of "fine" defensively


Good to hear. Certainly seemed like he was terrible defensively from what I had heard from Yankee fans. Played only 32 games on D last year (47 total), which included 2 at 3b. Would be a very interesting player
RE: Hoping  
KDavies : 12/6/2022 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15936021 DanMetroMan said:
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they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?


Weird that the Pirates didn't protect him
RE: RE: Hoping  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15936040 KDavies said:
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In comment 15936021 DanMetroMan said:


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they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?



Weird that the Pirates didn't protect him


His profile is generally a low value position. RH 1b/DH. My hunch is he ends up a very solid MLB hitter for a team like the Rays. MLB.com had him as one of the top names in the Rule 5 (after I already was keeping my eye on him) so it's not just me.

"Malcom Nunez, 1B/3B, Pirates (No. 12)
Acquired at the Trade Deadline in the Jose Quintana deal, Nunez really started tapping into his power in 2022 with 23 homers, mostly in Double-A. He makes a ton of contact, doesn’t strike out much for a guy with this kind of raw power and his patience at the plate has improved. He’s probably destined for first base, which limits his profile, though his arm does play well from third."
RE: RE: Hoping  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15936028 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15936021 DanMetroMan said:


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they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?



Any other names to watch for?


Probably too raw for the Mets but Erik Miller could be a real weapon out of the pen. Big time stuff, Colin Peluse has big stuff as well, Thad Ward is another name people think could be a real find (Boston), Korry Howell has utility player upside. Up to me I would either grab Nunez or one of the arms.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 3:50 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Josh Bell to Guardians. $33M, 2 years. Opt out.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 4:26 pm : link
Kody Duncan
@KodyDuncanPGH
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PER SOURCE: The Seattle Mariners are "in on Bryan Reynolds"

Names being thrown around. Matt Brash, Jared Kelenic, #1 Harry Ford, and #2 Emerson Hancock
Heaney  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 4:30 pm : link
joins deGrom in Texas.
Texas  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 4:43 pm : link
remains in on Rodon.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 4:45 pm : link
Alden González
@Alden_Gonzalez
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Andrew Heaney is getting a two-year deal with an opt-out in the middle. It's worth $25M through those two years but can increase to $37M with incentives.


Sherman says Walker might be signing soon (unclear where)
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 4:45 pm : link
SNY
@SNYtv
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Kodai Senga's agent says that the Japanese pitcher has deals of 5-6 years already on the table, and is looking sign with a team that wants to win "right now" https://on.sny.tv/KBhmkqM
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 5:37 pm : link
Sarah Langs
@SlangsOnSports
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highest chase rate induced as SP, 2022 (min 500 out-of-zone pitches):

Kevin Gausman: 39.7%
Jacob deGrom: 37.5%
Andrew Heaney: 36.9%

that’s fun
.  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2022 5:46 pm : link
GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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1m
UPDATE: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are still in on free agent Kodai Senga, but feel that his market "might be getting too expensive". (Senga still remains a possibility).

However, they are "deeper in on" Jameson Taillon. #LGM
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JayBinQueens : 12/6/2022 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15936215 pjcas18 said:
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GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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1m
UPDATE: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are still in on free agent Kodai Senga, but feel that his market "might be getting too expensive". (Senga still remains a possibility).

However, they are "deeper in on" Jameson Taillon. #LGM


Agent and team negotiating in public through the media
bellinger to CHC per heyman  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 6:15 pm : link
martino update on pitchers:

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The Mets had been in on Heaney to fill their mid-rotation vacancy. But they have been even deeper in on Jameson Taillon, who became durable over the past few years, has upside, and is, in the words of a one Yankee person, “an 80 makeup guy.” Translation: In the scouting scale of 20-80, Taillon is as good a clubhouse presence as a team can find.

The Mets are also in on Kodai Senga, but feel that his market might be getting too expensive. But he remains a possibility.

If the Mets miss on Taillon and Senga, they have indicated a willingness to target Nathan Eovaldi, per sources. And of course, the list of free agent starters is long, and includes Taijuan Walker, Ross Stripling, Chris Bassitt, and many others.

The Mets have talked to all of them, but do very much like Taillon and Senga.


the 80 grade makeup thing is becoming a little annoying. i know it matters but they said the same thing about bassitt, who id be happy to bring back but could do without the shaking off catchers 10 times in a row and then doing a JK Simmons/whiplash reenactment on the mound.
bellinger $  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 6:16 pm : link
Mark Feinsand @Feinsand
Bellinger gets one year at $17.5 million from the Cubs, per source.
with strong defense this was a decent fallback option in CF  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 6:17 pm : link
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SIS_Baseball @sis_baseball
Bill James Handbook 2023 Projection for Cody Bellinger

.230 BA, .764 OPS
(MLB OPS in 2022 was .706)

HR every 19 AB (26 HR in a 500-AB season)
I am irrationally nervous about this offseason already.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2022 6:31 pm : link
I won't know what to think if they seriously go into the season with Marte in CF and no offensive additions.
RE: I am irrationally nervous about this offseason already.  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15936274 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I won't know what to think if they seriously go into the season with Marte in CF and no offensive additions.


doing nothing doesn't seem likely but let's play out the scenario with a neutral model (steamer). here's how all involved are projected:

nimmo:
131 wRC, .272/.369/.435 (804 ops)

mcneil (his likely leadoff replacement):
125 wRC, .290/.350/.424 (774 ops)

Canha (his likely CF replacement):
118 wRC, .242/.345/.392 (737 ops)

Guillorme (could backfill 2b if mcneil plays more lf):
109 wRC, .265/.349/.358 (707 ops)

And now the best options to fill extra at bats:

Baty (LF/3B) - 123 wRC, .257/.332/.436 (768 ops)
Alvarez (DH or C) - 120 wRC, .230/.324/.500 (824 ops)
Vientos (DH) - 116 wRC, .238/.306/.451 (757 ops)
Vogelbach (DH) - 120 wRC, .222/.344/.407 (751 ops)

if they play mcneil in LF and guillorme at 2b, the defense gets better in those 2 spots but worse in CF.

it's not ideal but that's a base case that seems unlikely. they are still in on Nimmo at 20-25m AAV, so they are going to add someone beyond this base case.

i really like nimmo and hope they do find a way to bring him back but he isnt arson judge. they have duplication in his offensive skill set and he's a very good but not great player.
2nd  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 7:07 pm : link
And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
i didn't include ruf because we all hate him but he'd be in that mix  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 7:07 pm : link
his projection is:
106 wRC, .223/.315/.387 (702 ops)

so steamer also kind of hates him. but what's notable is that the mets team DH wRC last year was 89.

So each option listed is projected to be at least a 16% improvement on what the Mets got at DH last year. The question is where do the pieces fit together?

I have no idea which (if any) of those 3 young guys will step up having more pathways to finding out like Baty possibly in LF is a potential silver lining. To some degree the kids have to get busy living in the mlb or get busy dying (in AAA).
RE: 2nd  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15936315 DanMetroMan said:
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And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.



If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
RE: RE: 2nd  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15936318 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15936315 DanMetroMan said:


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And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.




If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it


i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.

just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.

bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.

baerga now claiming judge + correa to sfg.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 7:30 pm : link
I agree. I’m just not buying they actually pay those penalties for… Nathan Eovaldi. Again, if it were Rodon or Judge or a potential huge difference maker… there are plenty of “decent” SP available. I wouldn’t bet money on Eovaldi out pitching Bassitt or Senga or Walker etc. he may, but that’s not worth the cost
Wish someone would meet at Mets terms already  
Shecky : 12/6/2022 7:34 pm : link
Personally would LOVE Senga. But so Ny to choose from, makes no sense but to wait each out.

I just wish they’d bite the bullet, get Senga, and let the analytics fill out the roster already.
Sometimes I feel like there is collusion  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2022 7:35 pm : link
and the whole thing is a big setup, if the Mets do sign Eovaldi over other options with that baggage I'd feel similar to how I felt when they signed Michael Cuddyer.

it's rigged. No one could accidentally be that stupid.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2022 7:36 pm : link
Brother in law who was born & raised in Chicagoland. Went to U of I in Urbana-Champaign. Moved back to Chicagoland & lives there with sister...he loves the Bellinger signing.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 7:48 pm : link
Had a conversation with somebody who covers the NPB. No clue where Senga is headed but I was told he’s got a pretty big personality and is very much intrigued by playing in a NY/Boston/LA type market. Money talks but we shall see how it all plays out. Again, no clue what’s being offered etc
Carlos Baerga is at it again  
ZGiants98 : 12/6/2022 7:56 pm : link
Saying Judge and Correa to Giants.
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speedywheels : 12/6/2022 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15936323 Eric on Li said:
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And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.




If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it



i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.

just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.

bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.

baerga now claiming judge + correa to sfg.


Wow, Judge and Correa? That would be huge. Crawford is just about done, so signing one of the big SS would make sense for them
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