meh here. Nice 2022, but he's 33 and has been mediocre for most of his career. Zero upside. Not a #3 on a contender. Unless he's in addition to another SP, pass.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Right-handed free agent Ross Stripling is another name I’ve heard connected to the Mets.
Stripling had a 3.01 ERA and 1.02 WHIP in 131 innings for the Blue Jays this season.
it's tough to tell when the mets are leaking interest vs. agents
that's what seems like. it's pretty remarkable how similar walker and taillon are, but taillon does seem a bit better across the board.
walks slightly fewer (career 2.21 vs. 2.85 walker).
k's slightly more (career 8.11 k/9 vs. 8.08 walker).
gives up slightly fewer homers (career 12.2% vs. 12.7% walker).
their ground ball rates are almost identical 43.6% walker vs 43.7% taillon.
taillon about half a mph faster on his fastball, rates better in the spin peripherals.
if the prices are similar i can see where there's a little extra upside projection on taillon. both big guys so hopefully they can maintain their velocity and overcome prior injuries.
meh here. Nice 2022, but he's 33 and has been mediocre for most of his career. Zero upside. Not a #3 on a contender. Unless he's in addition to another SP, pass.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Right-handed free agent Ross Stripling is another name I’ve heard connected to the Mets.
Stripling had a 3.01 ERA and 1.02 WHIP in 131 innings for the Blue Jays this season.
Stripling would be a very nice addition, but agreed that would be in addition to Taillon/Senga.
judge seems like the next big domino, with his decision impacting nimmo and rodon.
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Giants are in with a big offer to Judge — believed to be $360M neighborhood — but the assumption/belief among rivals is that the Yankees remain favorites. Yankees are hopeful but say they still don’t know.
RE: if SFG get Judge i think that probably helps mets chances re nimmo
judge seems like the next big domino, with his decision impacting nimmo and rodon.
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@JonHeyman
Giants are in with a big offer to Judge — believed to be $360M neighborhood — but the assumption/belief among rivals is that the Yankees remain favorites. Yankees are hopeful but say they still don’t know.
Yankees reportedly considering trying to keep Judge and then also sign Nimmo
that 360m presumably over 9 years is basically high water mark proj.
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Sounds like Mets are hoping to have an answer on their second added starter by the end of this week, but are fine if that ends up not being the case. Taillon/Senga, like @Joelsherman1 reported are 2 they are watching closely and might even prefer over others.
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Mets and Brandon Nimmo have remained in contact, but the two sides are not scheduled to meet this week here at the winter meetings.
How about bringing in Yankees legend Matt Carpenter for the bench? Can play OF/1b/DH/3b. Ridiculous run in 2022
My understanding is that he's a pretty bad fielder at this point in his career. I would not be opposed to it, as he was dominant at times last year. Just that he's a tough fit with the Mets right now with Vientos, Vogelbach, etc.
-1 DRS at 1b, +1 OAA
+ 1 DRS at 3b, 0 OAA
0 DRS in LF, 0 OAA
0 DRS in RF, 0 OAA
So by the numbers he was the epitome of "fine" defensively
Good to hear. Certainly seemed like he was terrible defensively from what I had heard from Yankee fans. Played only 32 games on D last year (47 total), which included 2 at 3b. Would be a very interesting player
they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?
Weird that the Pirates didn't protect him
His profile is generally a low value position. RH 1b/DH. My hunch is he ends up a very solid MLB hitter for a team like the Rays. MLB.com had him as one of the top names in the Rule 5 (after I already was keeping my eye on him) so it's not just me.
"Malcom Nunez, 1B/3B, Pirates (No. 12)
Acquired at the Trade Deadline in the Jose Quintana deal, Nunez really started tapping into his power in 2022 with 23 homers, mostly in Double-A. He makes a ton of contact, doesn’t strike out much for a guy with this kind of raw power and his patience at the plate has improved. He’s probably destined for first base, which limits his profile, though his arm does play well from third."
they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?
Any other names to watch for?
Probably too raw for the Mets but Erik Miller could be a real weapon out of the pen. Big time stuff, Colin Peluse has big stuff as well, Thad Ward is another name people think could be a real find (Boston), Korry Howell has utility player upside. Up to me I would either grab Nunez or one of the arms.
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Andrew Heaney is getting a two-year deal with an opt-out in the middle. It's worth $25M through those two years but can increase to $37M with incentives.
Sherman says Walker might be signing soon (unclear where)
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Kodai Senga's agent says that the Japanese pitcher has deals of 5-6 years already on the table, and is looking sign with a team that wants to win "right now" https://on.sny.tv/KBhmkqM
GENY Mets Report
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UPDATE: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are still in on free agent Kodai Senga, but feel that his market "might be getting too expensive". (Senga still remains a possibility).
However, they are "deeper in on" Jameson Taillon. #LGM
GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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UPDATE: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are still in on free agent Kodai Senga, but feel that his market "might be getting too expensive". (Senga still remains a possibility).
However, they are "deeper in on" Jameson Taillon. #LGM
Agent and team negotiating in public through the media
The Mets had been in on Heaney to fill their mid-rotation vacancy. But they have been even deeper in on Jameson Taillon, who became durable over the past few years, has upside, and is, in the words of a one Yankee person, “an 80 makeup guy.” Translation: In the scouting scale of 20-80, Taillon is as good a clubhouse presence as a team can find.
The Mets are also in on Kodai Senga, but feel that his market might be getting too expensive. But he remains a possibility.
If the Mets miss on Taillon and Senga, they have indicated a willingness to target Nathan Eovaldi, per sources. And of course, the list of free agent starters is long, and includes Taijuan Walker, Ross Stripling, Chris Bassitt, and many others.
The Mets have talked to all of them, but do very much like Taillon and Senga.
the 80 grade makeup thing is becoming a little annoying. i know it matters but they said the same thing about bassitt, who id be happy to bring back but could do without the shaking off catchers 10 times in a row and then doing a JK Simmons/whiplash reenactment on the mound.
if they play mcneil in LF and guillorme at 2b, the defense gets better in those 2 spots but worse in CF.
it's not ideal but that's a base case that seems unlikely. they are still in on Nimmo at 20-25m AAV, so they are going to add someone beyond this base case.
i really like nimmo and hope they do find a way to bring him back but he isnt arson judge. they have duplication in his offensive skill set and he's a very good but not great player.
And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
i didn't include ruf because we all hate him but he'd be in that mix
his projection is:
106 wRC, .223/.315/.387 (702 ops)
so steamer also kind of hates him. but what's notable is that the mets team DH wRC last year was 89.
So each option listed is projected to be at least a 16% improvement on what the Mets got at DH last year. The question is where do the pieces fit together?
I have no idea which (if any) of those 3 young guys will step up having more pathways to finding out like Baty possibly in LF is a potential silver lining. To some degree the kids have to get busy living in the mlb or get busy dying (in AAA).
And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.
just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.
bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.
I agree. I’m just not buying they actually pay those penalties for… Nathan Eovaldi. Again, if it were Rodon or Judge or a potential huge difference maker… there are plenty of “decent” SP available. I wouldn’t bet money on Eovaldi out pitching Bassitt or Senga or Walker etc. he may, but that’s not worth the cost
and the whole thing is a big setup, if the Mets do sign Eovaldi over other options with that baggage I'd feel similar to how I felt when they signed Michael Cuddyer.
it's rigged. No one could accidentally be that stupid.
Brother in law who was born & raised in Chicagoland. Went to U of I in Urbana-Champaign. Moved back to Chicagoland & lives there with sister...he loves the Bellinger signing.
Had a conversation with somebody who covers the NPB. No clue where Senga is headed but I was told he’s got a pretty big personality and is very much intrigued by playing in a NY/Boston/LA type market. Money talks but we shall see how it all plays out. Again, no clue what’s being offered etc
And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.
just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.
bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.
baerga now claiming judge + correa to sfg.
Wow, Judge and Correa? That would be huge. Crawford is just about done, so signing one of the big SS would make sense for them
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Right-handed free agent Ross Stripling is another name I’ve heard connected to the Mets.
Stripling had a 3.01 ERA and 1.02 WHIP in 131 innings for the Blue Jays this season.
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Padres offer to Trea Turner was for more than the Lindor ($341M) deal
Wow - he took 40+ million LESS to play in philly? I get that CA taxes can be high, but that's crazy...
that's what seems like. it's pretty remarkable how similar walker and taillon are, but taillon does seem a bit better across the board.
walks slightly fewer (career 2.21 vs. 2.85 walker).
k's slightly more (career 8.11 k/9 vs. 8.08 walker).
gives up slightly fewer homers (career 12.2% vs. 12.7% walker).
their ground ball rates are almost identical 43.6% walker vs 43.7% taillon.
taillon about half a mph faster on his fastball, rates better in the spin peripherals.
if the prices are similar i can see where there's a little extra upside projection on taillon. both big guys so hopefully they can maintain their velocity and overcome prior injuries.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Right-handed free agent Ross Stripling is another name I’ve heard connected to the Mets.
Stripling had a 3.01 ERA and 1.02 WHIP in 131 innings for the Blue Jays this season.
Stripling would be a very nice addition, but agreed that would be in addition to Taillon/Senga.
Verlander
Scherzer
Carrasco
Taillon/Senga
Stripling
Megill
Peterson
Elieser
maybe Megill to BP?
@JonHeyman
Giants are in with a big offer to Judge — believed to be $360M neighborhood — but the assumption/belief among rivals is that the Yankees remain favorites. Yankees are hopeful but say they still don’t know.
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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Giants are in with a big offer to Judge — believed to be $360M neighborhood — but the assumption/belief among rivals is that the Yankees remain favorites. Yankees are hopeful but say they still don’t know.
Yankees reportedly considering trying to keep Judge and then also sign Nimmo
outcome either way could impact how strong yanks go for rodon, i still expect yanks to bring back judge though.
you would think sfg would likely be out on nimmo if they get judge?
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Sounds like Mets are hoping to have an answer on their second added starter by the end of this week, but are fine if that ends up not being the case. Taillon/Senga, like @Joelsherman1 reported are 2 they are watching closely and might even prefer over others.
I think Dansby in that category too. this is a really good FA class. Both projected under 200m is surprising to me considering turner just got 300m.
4.6
3.9
3.1
4.4
5.9
1.6 (60 game season)
4.4
6.1
His one bad season was his rookie year where he was 21 (and probably rushed)
Also since 2015 he's 12th in fWAR in all of baseball
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Mets and Brandon Nimmo have remained in contact, but the two sides are not scheduled to meet this week here at the winter meetings.
My understanding is that he's a pretty bad fielder at this point in his career. I would not be opposed to it, as he was dominant at times last year. Just that he's a tough fit with the Mets right now with Vientos, Vogelbach, etc.
+ 1 DRS at 3b, 0 OAA
0 DRS in LF, 0 OAA
0 DRS in RF, 0 OAA
So by the numbers he was the epitome of "fine" defensively
Any other names to watch for?
+ 1 DRS at 3b, 0 OAA
0 DRS in LF, 0 OAA
0 DRS in RF, 0 OAA
So by the numbers he was the epitome of "fine" defensively
Good to hear. Certainly seemed like he was terrible defensively from what I had heard from Yankee fans. Played only 32 games on D last year (47 total), which included 2 at 3b. Would be a very interesting player
Weird that the Pirates didn't protect him
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they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?
Weird that the Pirates didn't protect him
His profile is generally a low value position. RH 1b/DH. My hunch is he ends up a very solid MLB hitter for a team like the Rays. MLB.com had him as one of the top names in the Rule 5 (after I already was keeping my eye on him) so it's not just me.
"Malcom Nunez, 1B/3B, Pirates (No. 12)
Acquired at the Trade Deadline in the Jose Quintana deal, Nunez really started tapping into his power in 2022 with 23 homers, mostly in Double-A. He makes a ton of contact, doesn’t strike out much for a guy with this kind of raw power and his patience at the plate has improved. He’s probably destined for first base, which limits his profile, though his arm does play well from third."
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they consider Malcom Nunez in the Rule 5. He can really hit. I know they have Vientos but what's wrong with having multiple RH options?
Any other names to watch for?
Probably too raw for the Mets but Erik Miller could be a real weapon out of the pen. Big time stuff, Colin Peluse has big stuff as well, Thad Ward is another name people think could be a real find (Boston), Korry Howell has utility player upside. Up to me I would either grab Nunez or one of the arms.
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Josh Bell to Guardians. $33M, 2 years. Opt out.
@KodyDuncanPGH
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PER SOURCE: The Seattle Mariners are "in on Bryan Reynolds"
Names being thrown around. Matt Brash, Jared Kelenic, #1 Harry Ford, and #2 Emerson Hancock
@Alden_Gonzalez
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Andrew Heaney is getting a two-year deal with an opt-out in the middle. It's worth $25M through those two years but can increase to $37M with incentives.
Sherman says Walker might be signing soon (unclear where)
@SNYtv
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Kodai Senga's agent says that the Japanese pitcher has deals of 5-6 years already on the table, and is looking sign with a team that wants to win "right now" https://on.sny.tv/KBhmkqM
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highest chase rate induced as SP, 2022 (min 500 out-of-zone pitches):
Kevin Gausman: 39.7%
Jacob deGrom: 37.5%
Andrew Heaney: 36.9%
that’s fun
@genymets
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UPDATE: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are still in on free agent Kodai Senga, but feel that his market "might be getting too expensive". (Senga still remains a possibility).
However, they are "deeper in on" Jameson Taillon. #LGM
@genymets
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UPDATE: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are still in on free agent Kodai Senga, but feel that his market "might be getting too expensive". (Senga still remains a possibility).
However, they are "deeper in on" Jameson Taillon. #LGM
Agent and team negotiating in public through the media
The Mets are also in on Kodai Senga, but feel that his market might be getting too expensive. But he remains a possibility.
If the Mets miss on Taillon and Senga, they have indicated a willingness to target Nathan Eovaldi, per sources. And of course, the list of free agent starters is long, and includes Taijuan Walker, Ross Stripling, Chris Bassitt, and many others.
The Mets have talked to all of them, but do very much like Taillon and Senga.
the 80 grade makeup thing is becoming a little annoying. i know it matters but they said the same thing about bassitt, who id be happy to bring back but could do without the shaking off catchers 10 times in a row and then doing a JK Simmons/whiplash reenactment on the mound.
Bellinger gets one year at $17.5 million from the Cubs, per source.
Bill James Handbook 2023 Projection for Cody Bellinger
.230 BA, .764 OPS
(MLB OPS in 2022 was .706)
HR every 19 AB (26 HR in a 500-AB season)
doing nothing doesn't seem likely but let's play out the scenario with a neutral model (steamer). here's how all involved are projected:
nimmo:
131 wRC, .272/.369/.435 (804 ops)
mcneil (his likely leadoff replacement):
125 wRC, .290/.350/.424 (774 ops)
Canha (his likely CF replacement):
118 wRC, .242/.345/.392 (737 ops)
Guillorme (could backfill 2b if mcneil plays more lf):
109 wRC, .265/.349/.358 (707 ops)
And now the best options to fill extra at bats:
Baty (LF/3B) - 123 wRC, .257/.332/.436 (768 ops)
Alvarez (DH or C) - 120 wRC, .230/.324/.500 (824 ops)
Vientos (DH) - 116 wRC, .238/.306/.451 (757 ops)
Vogelbach (DH) - 120 wRC, .222/.344/.407 (751 ops)
if they play mcneil in LF and guillorme at 2b, the defense gets better in those 2 spots but worse in CF.
it's not ideal but that's a base case that seems unlikely. they are still in on Nimmo at 20-25m AAV, so they are going to add someone beyond this base case.
i really like nimmo and hope they do find a way to bring him back but he isnt arson judge. they have duplication in his offensive skill set and he's a very good but not great player.
106 wRC, .223/.315/.387 (702 ops)
so steamer also kind of hates him. but what's notable is that the mets team DH wRC last year was 89.
So each option listed is projected to be at least a 16% improvement on what the Mets got at DH last year. The question is where do the pieces fit together?
I have no idea which (if any) of those 3 young guys will step up having more pathways to finding out like Baty possibly in LF is a potential silver lining. To some degree the kids have to get busy living in the mlb or get busy dying (in AAA).
If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
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And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.
just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.
bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.
baerga now claiming judge + correa to sfg.
I just wish they’d bite the bullet, get Senga, and let the analytics fill out the roster already.
it's rigged. No one could accidentally be that stupid.
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And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.
If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it
i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.
just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.
bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.
baerga now claiming judge + correa to sfg.
Wow, Judge and Correa? That would be huge. Crawford is just about done, so signing one of the big SS would make sense for them