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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2022 12:25 pm
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RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 12/6/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15936337 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Brother in law who was born & raised in Chicagoland. Went to U of I in Urbana-Champaign. Moved back to Chicagoland & lives there with sister...he loves the Bellinger signing.

Your brother in law apparently loves him some name recognition. Bellinger has been one of the worst hitters in baseball the past several seasons. He’s literally forgotten how to hit a baseball
Given  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 8:05 pm : link
The Mets CF needs if there is any chance at all at Mauricio playing CF (I don’t believe this but it’s been suggested) they might as well get him reps out there immediately and see how he takes to it
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2022 8:06 pm : link
Haha. I will text him your thoughts. He wants them to get Correa.
RE: Given  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15936368 DanMetroMan said:
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The Mets CF needs if there is any chance at all at Mauricio playing CF (I don’t believe this but it’s been suggested) they might as well get him reps out there immediately and see how he takes to it


With Ramirez only 1 level behind and Baty possible for LF, Vientos off 3b, i'd guess he stays in the IF. if they don't extend McNeil, who knows what the future is at 2b.

I think Law's most recent comp was soriano and the way he's been hitting xbh over the past year that seems to have been a good call.
RE: Wish someone would meet at Mets terms already  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15936334 Shecky said:
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Personally would LOVE Senga. But so Ny to choose from, makes no sense but to wait each out.

I just wish they’d bite the bullet, get Senga, and let the analytics fill out the roster already.


not to be a conspiracy theorist but if Senga is the guy they love I wonder if the Taillon leaks re "deep talks" were meant to motivate him? if the mets really wanted one of these guys more than the others i dont know what's stopping them from putting in top offer.
Haniger  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 8:32 pm : link
To SF 3 for 43.5 per Passan. Said unrelated to their Judge pursuit
What is Senga? Middle rotation guy?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2022 8:39 pm : link
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RE: What is Senga? Middle rotation guy?  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15936390 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Projected 3-4. Big breaker, FB up to 100 but it lacks movement and plane because he's a shorter guy. Longenhagen actually compared him so... Eovaldi lol
RE: RE: RE: 2nd  
moze1021 : 12/6/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15936323 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15936315 DanMetroMan said:


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And 5th round picks plus 1 million in IFA money for 33 year old Nathan Eovaldi coming off a 20 start 4.30 season would be a truly awful decision. There are plenty of similar options with no penalty attached + Rodon if you want to pay that kind of price. I’d be furious.




If they believed in Rodon… okay that’s their call. But for Eovaldi? He’s made 30 starts twice in his career. Big 2021, 2016-2020 1 2+ fWAR season… 1. Couldn’t pass harder. Give Bassitt “too many” years, overpay for Senga/Taillon/Walker etc. Eovaldi would be truly short-sighted. I refuse to believe it



i think its going to be taillon, senga, bassitt or walker.

just guessing but i assume they like that taillon/senga have more upside than bassitt and they get the bassit comp.

bassitt and walker are good fallback options if they miss out.

baerga now claiming judge + correa to sfg.


Agreed... They could probably even use 2 of them..
if they lose nimmo here's basically your checklist of + defenders  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 8:51 pm : link
this is combined over 2021-2022. Canha is actually +2 over this period of time in CF so anyone lower than this is basically at his level. Kike or Thomas are basically the only appealing options that seem realistic beyond just sucking it up with Canha. Keirmeier is ok but only if it's in a pillar type contract/role.

Walker  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 9:05 pm : link
To the Phillies
4  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 9:10 pm : link
For 71
What the hell  
moze1021 : 12/6/2022 9:15 pm : link
Walker

Damn it
Not in love with that fit for him at CBP  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:16 pm : link
His struggles have generally been with the long ball. Don’t like seeing him stick in the division either.
RE: Walker  
Mike in NY : 12/6/2022 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15936411 DanMetroMan said:
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To the Phillies


Interesting considering he can be prone to giving up the long ball
Saw this thought on social media and I agree  
Chris684 : 12/6/2022 9:17 pm : link
The Mets now get to face 2nd half Taijuan Walker for 4 years. That’s a plus.
Hopefully this means  
moze1021 : 12/6/2022 9:18 pm : link
Phillies out on Senga and Taillon
Just sucks seeing a good guy go to this terrible city  
moze1021 : 12/6/2022 9:18 pm : link
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Phil’s got a good deal at 4/71 for Walker  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 9:22 pm : link
Much higher upside than Tailleson, who I hope they are not serious about signing unless it’s a short team friendly deal
Nola, Wheeler, Suarez, Walker, and eventually Painter  
ZGiants98 : 12/6/2022 9:31 pm : link
Could be quite formidable.
Not a big Walker fan  
Sammo85 : 12/6/2022 9:34 pm : link
And I don’t think Mets had any interest in bringing him back. They got decent value for 2 yrs but he faded back end of both seasons to a broad degree. But it sets where Taillon is likely to slot in. Taillon also had issues with long ball a bit.

Phils are building decent rotational depth now but I think it’s needed. Nola and Wheeler have logged tons of innings last two seasons.

eno retweeted so i think he agrees mike  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:34 pm : link
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Anthony Dabbundo @AnthonyDabbundo
17m
Taijuan Walker

104 Stuff+
102 Pitching+ (per @enosarris
model)

Threw splitter a lot more in 2022 and was effective with it, raised ground ball rate 5%

Concern is whether he can keep HRs down in CBP (i'm skeptical)
Bassitt  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 9:36 pm : link
Is probably looking at 100+ at this point. Wild market
RE: Bassitt  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15936436 DanMetroMan said:
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Is probably looking at 100+ at this point. Wild market


Martino said the mets have asked him what he's looking for and he's been slow to give them his number. Made it sound a little bit like they want him but maybe he's another one looking to move on.
I still find it strange  
moze1021 : 12/6/2022 9:38 pm : link
That Mets didn't give QO to Walker...
RE: RE: Bassitt  
Sammo85 : 12/6/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15936438 Eric on Li said:
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Is probably looking at 100+ at this point. Wild market



Martino said the mets have asked him what he's looking for and he's been slow to give them his number. Made it sound a little bit like they want him but maybe he's another one looking to move on.


I don’t think he likes NY. And I’ve heard he wants to cash in big on term too.
Whats the team success rate of these FA signings  
xman : 12/6/2022 9:40 pm : link
financially and in the standings. I its not a poor gamble
Walker gave up 15 HRs in 157 innings  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 9:40 pm : link
Taillon: 26 in 177 innings
here's the link  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:42 pm : link
it's a 4 min video. exact quote:

"bassitt hasn't set his market yet, actually mets are kind of wondering why they don't know bassitt's price yet. they are like 'hey we like you' and that's been moving slower for whatever reason"

all signs would seemingly indicate senga or taillon. LAD have been quiet and the mets tend to like similar players so maybe that's the battle.
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1600299872917553152 - ( New Window )
I wouldn’t give Bassitt a five year deal  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 9:43 pm : link
This is his one shot to get a big deal so I have no problem with him trying to get as much as he can and sign with whatever team Pays the most.

But I think the mats would be wise not to give him anything more than three years
RE: Walker gave up 15 HRs in 157 innings  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15936443 Vanzetti said:
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Taillon: 26 in 177 innings


walker brought his HR rate down 5% from 2021, 14% to 9% (when he gave up 26 in 159 and almost all of them were 2nd half, he had started the year with 1 of the longest streaks without giving up a homer and then gave them up left/right).

his career rate is 12.7% right in between those 2 seasons.

taillon's career rate is similar 12.2%.

the question with walker though is going from Citi to CBP.
The Phillies are going to be a problem..  
moze1021 : 12/6/2022 9:54 pm : link
Idk if I'm going to be able to stomach this..

I guess it's a good thing we'll have less divisional games with the new schedule.
RE: RE: Walker gave up 15 HRs in 157 innings  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15936453 Eric on Li said:
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Taillon: 26 in 177 innings



walker brought his HR rate down 5% from 2021, 14% to 9% (when he gave up 26 in 159 and almost all of them were 2nd half, he had started the year with 1 of the longest streaks without giving up a homer and then gave them up left/right).

his career rate is 12.7% right in between those 2 seasons.

taillon's career rate is similar 12.2%.

the question with walker though is going from Citi to CBP.



Walker also completely changed his approach last year. Kept everything down.

To me, he seems like a guy who will get better as he gets more used to throwing a lot of innings.

Maybe Mets don’t think his arm will hold him. Something is up because they showed no interest whatsoever in bringing him back
That Walker number, WOW  
Shecky : 12/6/2022 9:57 pm : link
That was very unexpected.
I’m thinking that moves things along. And thinking it’s more likely Taillon instead of being able to woo Senga to the east coast.
It’s Also interesting how wrong the press was about Nimmo  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 9:57 pm : link
It was Reported he was a priority and in reality it seems the Mets were resigned to losing him Because they were not willing to give five years

i wanted him back and it was reported the mets were too  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:58 pm : link
but he and bassitt are below senga/taillon who are their higher priorities.

im not saying they were right or wrong, i haven't seen enough of the other guys to judge, but i wanted walker back and agree he may still be ascending. just dont love the fit with him in CBP.
RE: That Walker number, WOW  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15936462 Shecky said:
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That was very unexpected.
I’m thinking that moves things along. And thinking it’s more likely Taillon instead of being able to woo Senga to the east coast.


LAD for senga?
RE: That Walker number, WOW  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15936462 Shecky said:
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That was very unexpected.
I’m thinking that moves things along. And thinking it’s more likely Taillon instead of being able to woo Senga to the east coast.



It’s a long flight from California to Japan almost 10 hours. He won’t be flying back in the middle of the season.

However it is true that most Japanese player sign with West Coast teams so we will see. I just can’t see the Mets going with Talon as their third starter. Especially given the Carrasco is running on fumes


RE: RE: That Walker number, WOW  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15936465 Eric on Li said:
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That was very unexpected.
I’m thinking that moves things along. And thinking it’s more likely Taillon instead of being able to woo Senga to the east coast.



LAD for senga?




Do the Dodgers need a starter?

Buehler, Urias, May, Kershaw and Gonsolin

May be an injury back up but would that be Senga?
Dodgers  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 10:12 pm : link
may sign a depth arm but they have Bobby Miller on the brink + Pepiot/Stone. They don't "need" SP.
forgot about kershaw  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 10:19 pm : link
so which other WC teams make sense for Senga? SF/LAA?
Maybe  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2022 10:22 pm : link
Seattle?

I haven't heard them rumored, but it's not like they don't have a good track record with Japanese players.
RE: Maybe  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15936484 pjcas18 said:
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Seattle?

I haven't heard them rumored, but it's not like they don't have a good track record with Japanese players.


They have Ray and Castillo for a bunch of years but possible if they are upping payroll.
Strahm  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 10:25 pm : link
to the Phillies 2 for 15. That's 386 million on FA's
RE: Strahm  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15936487 DanMetroMan said:
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to the Phillies 2 for 15. That's 386 million on FA's


that WS run got Dombrowski some spendin money and he knows if he doesn't use it he may lose it.
Mariners  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2022 10:29 pm : link
have more SP than they can use right now.

Castillo, Gilbert, Kirby, Ray, Gonzales, Flexen + their top prospect Emerson Hancock
RE: Mariners  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15936491 DanMetroMan said:
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have more SP than they can use right now.

Castillo, Gilbert, Kirby, Ray, Gonzales, Flexen + their top prospect Emerson Hancock


SF or LAA seem like logical challengers for both taillon/senga.

SDP seem in on everyone even though they already have a bunch of sp.

someone said today senga wants to go to a contender, not sure any of those fit except sdp.
update from feinsand  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 11:14 pm : link
doesn't quite sound imminent so if taillon or bassitt want to stay in ny now would seem to be the time to call eppler.

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Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
A number of teams have serious interest in Kodai Senga, but sources say the Mets are among those highest on him. Senga has no posting fee/draft pick compensation, is said to want a big market and a win-now team. Joining a rotation with Scherzer/Verlander would certainly qualify.

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Unlike players who are posted from Japan, Senga has no deadline to sign. Senga seems content to take it slow to make sure he signs with the right team, sources say, and with at least a half-dozen teams showing interest, he might not be signing soon.

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A number of teams have serious interest in Kodai Senga, but sources say the Mets are among those highest on him. Senga has no posting fee/draft pick compensation, is said to want a big market and a win-now team. Joining a rotation with Scherzer/Verlander would certainly qualify.
down to senga / bassitt  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2022 11:25 pm : link
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