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JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 12:54 pm
Where are you guys with Darius Slayton? He’s proven that he can be a productive receiver in this league, but he’s very very inconsistent. With his pending free agency, do you guys think he’ll be re-signed or will he gets more money somewhere else. I’m open to re-signing him but I’m not breaking the back either. Something along the lines of 4-5 mil AAV.
He is a 4th WR  
Hades07 : 12/5/2022 12:55 pm : link
And I'd be willing to keep him at 4th wr money.
We could do better. Much better.  
Anakim : 12/5/2022 12:56 pm : link
Second highest-drop rate is pretty telling. We don't need a WR with hands like Will Allen wearing oven mitts.


We need two outside WRs for next year and even a slot guy since Wan'Dale likely won't be ready.
RE: We could do better. Much better.  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15934213 Anakim said:
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Second highest-drop rate is pretty telling. We don't need a WR with hands like Will Allen wearing oven mitts.


We need two outside WRs for next year and even a slot guy since Wan'Dale likely won't be ready.



This is exactly why I’m open to re-signing him. He’s a solid 3rd or 4th receiver, who can step in start. We need find our starters in the draft.
He's digressed......  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 1:03 pm : link
...but on this roster has really put in the effort to do his best and contribute which I applaud.

But as you see from yesterday's game, lack of ability will come back to bite you.

Giants will probably move on IMO.
He's a nice player to have  
Johnny5 : 12/5/2022 1:04 pm : link
... as depth. As a 3rd or 4th WR. I'd love to have him back but it has to be cheap and we need an upgrade to every single WR position with Shep likely done and WanDale likely out for at least half of next year. I do like what I see from Hodges but the jury is still out. Seems like he may be someone to keep an eye on.
I understand he’s leaving some plays out there  
Chris684 : 12/5/2022 1:05 pm : link
But generally speaking I feel like he’s outperforming his talent level here and has been an overall net positive given the state of our WR group.

Personally I find it hard to crap on Slayton. If only there were more guys like him on this team who play to or even outplay their ceilings.
I'd rather the third and fourth receivers be on rookie deals  
adamg : 12/5/2022 1:08 pm : link
Rather than pay a guy like Slayton market dollars
He's our #1, he'd be other teams #3  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2022 1:10 pm : link
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He's 2022  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/5/2022 1:12 pm : link
Tim Carter.
He makes some nice plays...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2022 1:15 pm : link
and he leaves some plays on the field. He's a 4th WR on a contending team. Seems like a good guy. If he is happy with 4th WR money, I'm fine with him...
RE: I'd rather the third and fourth receivers be on rookie deals  
AcidTest : 12/5/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15934263 adamg said:
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Rather than pay a guy like Slayton market dollars


^This. He has the second highest drop rate in the league, and was first or second last year as well IIRC. I would let him go in FA, and I think the Giants will as well. They forced him to take a salary cut this year to stay and I don't think he's done anything to change their mind. His hands are too inconsistent, which is not surprising given that he body catches so many passes. Speed isn't enough. You have to be able to catch the ball.
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 12/5/2022 1:18 pm : link
Let him test free agency - wouldn't go much above the vet minimums on him
RE: He's 2022  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15934279 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Tim Carter.


Tim Carter never had over 320 yards receiving. Slayton has 4 seasons over that, including 2 over 700. It’s a dumb comparison.
Slayton has been really under appreciated here on BBI  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 1:24 pm : link
Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.
He's a big tease  
Beer Man : 12/5/2022 1:26 pm : link
shows you enough so that you think he might finally be turning the corner, then disappears on the field for several games
.....  
riceneggs : 12/5/2022 1:35 pm : link
i'd like to resign him. he making plays with an average quarterback, in a run 1st offense.

his hands arent the best. we'll have to live with that. reminds me of Ted Ginn. Ted Ginn would always get open and you never knew if he'd catch it or not

OBJ - Slayton - Wandale Robinson - Sterlin Shepard (for 5 games) and whoever we draft
I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:43 pm : link
Drop percentage on deep passes and shorter stuff compared to both for the rest of the league. He’s got a similar catch rate to guys like AJ Brown. I’d bet as the season finishes up the drop percentage would be closer. Early on in the year Slayton was averaging 5 targets a game so the drop percentage was going to be skewed. With more targets lately it’s dropped under 10%.

Obviously he’s not AJ Brown but he’s also not the trash some on here claim he is.
He takes a lot of crap here  
HomerJones45 : 12/5/2022 1:44 pm : link
You think he's a 3/4, go ahead and cut him; he'll have a starting gig with another team.
He looks great to me now  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 1:46 pm : link
Drops and all…..HES OUR BEST WR and fast. Sign him back for a reasonable price.

I believe Hodgins will be a fine one but doesn’t have Slayton’s speed.
As others have said  
JohnG in Albany : 12/5/2022 1:47 pm : link
On this current roster he's a #1 only because it's the worst WR roster in the league.

He should be a #3 or #4.

Hands are obviously a big issue. It seems like most of his catches are sort of "accidental", never smooth or easily secured.

Some interesting Slayton numbers  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:49 pm : link
Averaging 6 YAC (for those that claim our recovers don’t do anything after the catch).

97.1 passer rating when targeted.
He is good  
PaulN : 12/5/2022 1:53 pm : link
And not a 4th reciever either, he is a good 3rd reciever, and Wandel is a good slot receiver, he got hurt ag a bad time, and he will play next year, people act like we don't know if he will be available next year, that is bullshit, he will be playing next year, he may not be ready to roll opening game. But I do agree that we need to resign Slayton, and sign 2 wideouts for next season. So if you look at Slayton as a 3 or 4, whatever, he is pretty darn good, he does not have great hands, we all understand this.
Slayton is a competent...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 1:59 pm : link
downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.
The ball he dropped yesterday  
Giant John : 12/5/2022 2:01 pm : link
Was a back breaker. But he would make a decent 3rd or 4th receiver. He is the only NFL receiver on the roster - withholding judgement on the rookie.
I’d prefer to keep Slayton  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 2:02 pm : link
over Saquon.
What makes a good organization is signing complimentary pieces  
WillieYoung : 12/5/2022 2:04 pm : link
at reasonable prices. Our lack of second contracts is in part our hubris in thinking our good players could be replaced with better players. Guys like Hankins, Joseph, Okarwa, the Lions linebacker, Apple, ...
....  
riceneggs : 12/5/2022 2:04 pm : link
if you look at his drops compared to others, its not bad at all...

you can sort by the entire league or just the NFC to get a good look


drops - ( New Window )
Quality low level journeyman  
GrMtWoods : 12/5/2022 2:05 pm : link
Offer vet minimum or replace with same and maybe reep a comp.
RE: Slayton is a competent...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15934408 bw in dc said:
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downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.


WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.
RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
riceneggs : 12/5/2022 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said:
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but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.


so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton
Slayton  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 2:22 pm : link
Is on an 1100 yard pace since he started playing this year. For reference, guys in the 1100 yard area are - DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Michael Pittman, Terry McLaurin.

If you want to discount it a bit because that's too much projection, guys in the 900 yard area are - Christian Kirk, DK Metcalf, Marquise Brown, Davonta Smith

I know some people are really invested in all our "supporting" players being awful, but its just not true about Slayton. He's made some really nice plays over the past few weeks.
RE: RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15934444 riceneggs said:
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but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.



so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton


Lamb sees 114 targets per year. Slayton sees 72.5. Perhaps Lamb has more drops because he sees so very many more targets?

Are you seriously comparing CeeDee Lamb and Darius Slayton?
He will be out of the league in 2 years  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 2:24 pm : link
Depth WR that doesn't play specials
Slayton has talent....  
Walker Gillette : 12/5/2022 2:27 pm : link
but he is not a winning player as a starter. Too many drops and poor at best ball skills. He is the kind of guy that breaks your heart way too often. As a backup or a speed guy he is fine. Many forget that they couldn't trade him and he took a pay cut to stay, if he was a starting receiver in a WR crazy league someone would have traded for him and his agent would have never let him take a cut to the league minimum, not in a league where Corey Davis makes $12.5m! What is really upsetting is he is the Giants best receiver by leaps and bounds!
Slayton has 3 drops on 52 targets this year  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 2:28 pm : link
It's hard to find really good data on this, but I'd have assume that if he only had 2 drops that he'd be middle of the pack in drop rate.

So we're talking about 1 more completion over the 10 or 11 games that he's played in.
RE: Slayton  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15934448 Jerry in_DC said:
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Is on an 1100 yard pace since he started playing this year. For reference, guys in the 1100 yard area are - DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Michael Pittman, Terry McLaurin.

If you want to discount it a bit because that's too much projection, guys in the 900 yard area are - Christian Kirk, DK Metcalf, Marquise Brown, Davonta Smith

I know some people are really invested in all our "supporting" players being awful, but its just not true about Slayton. He's made some really nice plays over the past few weeks.


He has the 2nd highest drop rate in the NFL. He isn't a great route runner. Fast, but not shifty. Doesn't play specials.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15934452 Chris in Philly said:
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but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.



so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton



Lamb sees 114 targets per year. Slayton sees 72.5. Perhaps Lamb has more drops because he sees so very many more targets?

Are you seriously comparing CeeDee Lamb and Darius Slayton?


Save your breath. If you try to refute every contortion some will do to make it seem like Jones is throwing to a competent group of receivers in an obvious attempt tp further their DJ agenda, you'll exhaust yourself.
It’s amazing that  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 2:33 pm : link
Only one player on this team is being held back and gets defended. And if you dare defend another player it’s an anti Jones agenda, even though he wasn’t mentioned here at all.

Saqoun is quitting. Slayton is garbage. Really fascinating to look at.
If anybody has a full table of data, please post it  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 2:38 pm : link
I'm looking at Slayton with 3 drops on 52 targets

Diggs has 6 drops on 128 targets

Kelce has 6 drops on 108 targets

Chase has 4 drops on 82 targets

These are some of the higher drop guys, but Slaytons rate seems totally normal. And if he just had one fewer drop then he'd be way below these guys. Literally 1 completion over the course of the season seems like a really weird thing to get hung up on.


PFR  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 2:42 pm : link
Has him with 5 drops
RE: It’s amazing that  
Johnny5 : 12/5/2022 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15934475 ajr2456 said:
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Only one player on this team is being held back and gets defended. And if you dare defend another player it’s an anti Jones agenda, even though he wasn’t mentioned here at all.

Saqoun is quitting. Slayton is garbage. Really fascinating to look at.

I haven't seen one person say he is garbage? Though to be fair I haven't read every post. I'll reiterate my thoughts. He is a nice player to have on the roster but he is not nearly what you want as your number 1 receiver. Ideally he'd be in the 2011 Manningham role for me. #3 would be ideal.
RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said:
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downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.



WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.


Let's review. I said "WR1 - / WR3 +..."

In other words, between a WR2 and WR3.

I hope that adds color to your world.
RE: If anybody has a full table of data, please post it  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15934483 Jerry in_DC said:
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I'm looking at Slayton with 3 drops on 52 targets

Diggs has 6 drops on 128 targets

Kelce has 6 drops on 108 targets

Chase has 4 drops on 82 targets

These are some of the higher drop guys, but Slaytons rate seems totally normal. And if he just had one fewer drop then he'd be way below these guys. Literally 1 completion over the course of the season seems like a really weird thing to get hung up on.



I wrote on another thread, the Slayton has a catch% right now (63%+) like Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, AJ Brown.

Slayton is 5th in the NFL in YPC. He's not catching bubble screens, quick hitches, and jet sweeps that would certainly boost his catch%.
RE: RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2022 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15934510 bw in dc said:
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downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.



WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.



Let's review. I said "WR1 - / WR3 +..."

In other words, between a WR2 and WR3.

I hope that adds color to your world.


A low end WR2 is still a WR2. I know exactly what you said.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
riceneggs : 12/5/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15934452 Chris in Philly said:
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but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.



so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton



Lamb sees 114 targets per year. Slayton sees 72.5. Perhaps Lamb has more drops because he sees so very many more targets?

Are you seriously comparing CeeDee Lamb and Darius Slayton?


I looked at another site.

It says Slayton has 5 drops out of 52 targets

Amari Cooper - 8 drops, 102 targets

Jaylen Waddle - 7 drops, 90 targets

CeeDee Lamb - 4 drops, 111 target (SO A BAD COMPARISON ON MY PART)

but if you do the math on his drop percentage, its not as bad as you think, compared to others.

i can remember one of the passes being behind him a couple weeks ago.


more stats - ( New Window )
RE: He's our #1, he'd be other teams #3  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15934268 PatersonPlank said:
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A low 3 high 4. He doesn't catch the ball enough to be a solid 3. Many teams with 3's they want reliability.
RE: RE: If anybody has a full table of data, please post it  
riceneggs : 12/5/2022 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15934518 bw in dc said:
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Slayton is 5th in the NFL in YPC. He's not catching bubble screens, quick hitches, and jet sweeps that would certainly boost his catch%.


didnt think about that. have we ever ran a screen pass to Slayton? or something quick?
riceneggs...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:04 pm : link
Nice post.

Slayton is not the "Manos de Piedra" many here would have you believe... ;)
RE: RE: He's our #1, he'd be other teams #3  
riceneggs : 12/5/2022 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15934539 giantstock said:
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A low 3 high 4. He doesn't catch the ball enough to be a solid 3. Many teams with 3's they want reliability.


we don't throw the ball at a high rate either.
RE: Slayton has been really under appreciated here on BBI  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15934316 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.


What another moronic comment you make. Yeah so he is good because ethe Giants WR's have gotten hurt or in Toney’s case just quit on the team. SO that a makes the Slayton discussion from pre-season wrong?

RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said:
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downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.



WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.


Agreed.

Look around the league from crying out loud.
RE: If anybody has a full table of data, please post it  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15934483 Jerry in_DC said:
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I'm looking at Slayton with 3 drops on 52 targets

Diggs has 6 drops on 128 targets

Kelce has 6 drops on 108 targets

Chase has 4 drops on 82 targets

These are some of the higher drop guys, but Slaytons rate seems totally normal. And if he just had one fewer drop then he'd be way below these guys. Literally 1 completion over the course of the season seems like a really weird thing to get hung up on.



Yeah, but he dropped the one that really counted.

Those other guys are making that catch in that situation.

That's how it works.
RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15934368 ajr2456 said:
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Drop percentage on deep passes and shorter stuff compared to both for the rest of the league. He’s got a similar catch rate to guys like AJ Brown. I’d bet as the season finishes up the drop percentage would be closer. Early on in the year Slayton was averaging 5 targets a game so the drop percentage was going to be skewed. With more targets lately it’s dropped under 10%.

Obviously he’s not AJ Brown but he’s also not the trash some on here claim he is.


You mean like when SY called him a JV wide Receiver? And how he specifically mentioned during the year that imagine when Jones gets real receivers?

SO bias haters like you and BW and others who regularly shit on Jones every chance you get - we
re supposed to believe your transparent crap of looking to build up other players so you can make yourself feel better about shitting on Jones?
Maybe hating everybody on the Giants  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 3:13 pm : link
Except 1 player doesn't make you as good as fan as you think it does?
He's a #3 or 4 receiver yet we treat him like a #1 (both the team and  
Dinger : 12/5/2022 3:17 pm : link
our expectations as fans). He took a paycut to stay on the team. He's been the healthiest of our front line receivers. He's played on a team with Golladay and Toney and still goes out and gives it his best every week and makes some plays. I wish he made that catch and many others but honestly, he's giving his all and after taking less. I hope he gets money from someone and if its us hopefully its #3 type money.
RE: RE: If anybody has a full table of data, please post it  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15934518 bw in dc said:
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I'm looking at Slayton with 3 drops on 52 targets

Diggs has 6 drops on 128 targets

Kelce has 6 drops on 108 targets

Chase has 4 drops on 82 targets

These are some of the higher drop guys, but Slaytons rate seems totally normal. And if he just had one fewer drop then he'd be way below these guys. Literally 1 completion over the course of the season seems like a really weird thing to get hung up on.





I wrote on another thread, the Slayton has a catch% right now (63%+) like Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, AJ Brown.

Slayton is 5th in the NFL in YPC. He's not catching bubble screens, quick hitches, and jet sweeps that would certainly boost his catch%.


YEah let's validate your stat of Slayton so you can match him with terrific WR's. How much you want to bet he's not going to get near what these guys get if they recently signed a 2nd contract? So what makes your stat even an iota of being credible?

And I guess then we can use stats that someone else posted on another thread, right?

"Only 8 QBs in NFL history have thrown for 3,000+ yards and rushed for 700+ yards in a single season. Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, RGIII, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Randall Cunningham."


So you dismiss this stat then cherry-pick another stat and comically look to compare Slayton to AJ Brown.

You continually amaze with your utter complete hate for Jones. Incredible your hatred. Just incredible. And your willingness to be so petty about it.
RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15934570 giantstock said:
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SO bias haters like you and BW and others who regularly shit on Jones every chance you get - we
re supposed to believe your transparent crap of looking to build up other players so you can make yourself feel better about shitting on Jones?


Just to clear the dense fog that's getting in your head here - no one is saying Slayton is Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Davante Adams, etc.

But Slayton is not this scrap heap player that he's best depicted here.
RE: Maybe hating everybody on the Giants  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15934581 Jerry in_DC said:
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Except 1 player doesn't make you as good as fan as you think it does?


What?

Anyhow imo you could still be a very good/top flight fan even if you hate Jones.
RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15934570 giantstock said:
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You mean like when SY called him a JV wide Receiver? And how he specifically mentioned during the year that imagine when Jones gets real receivers?

SO bias haters like you and BW and others who regularly shit on Jones every chance you get - we
re supposed to believe your transparent crap of looking to build up other players so you can make yourself feel better about shitting on Jones?


Where did I say we don’t need better WRs? That doesn’t mean that Slayton isn’t a useful WR even when the situation does improve.

Your last line is the most annoying character trait of the DJFC. Everything is about Daniel Jones. I can’t have a positive opinion about someone else on the team because I don’t think Jones is worthy of being the Giants QB in the future?

You guys are absurd and exhausting. A compliment of Slayton being a serviceable WR3 apparently has something to do with Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
speedywheels : 12/5/2022 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15934617 bw in dc said:
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But Slayton is not this scrap heap player that he's best depicted here.


Yes he is. A WR who drops as many passes as he does is not even a JAG. He even double clutches on most of the catches he does manage to make. \

He's terrible, and wouldn't be a third WR on most teams. But yet he's the "number one" on this team. Says a ton about the pathetic nature of the group...
RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15934617 bw in dc said:
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SO bias haters like you and BW and others who regularly shit on Jones every chance you get - we
re supposed to believe your transparent crap of looking to build up other players so you can make yourself feel better about shitting on Jones?



Just to clear the dense fog that's getting in your head here - no one is saying Slayton is Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Davante Adams, etc.

But Slayton is not this scrap heap player that he's best depicted here.


Let me again remind you in that dense head of yours (and it is extremely dense) you just compared Slayton to AJ Brown by using the stat you just referenced.

That stat YOU MADE --A COMPARSION. Stop trying to weasel out of it like you normally do. That STAT you made compares Brown to Slayton. You SPECIFALLY cited it and cited the names stating they were similar regarding that stat.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15934630 speedywheels said:
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But Slayton is not this scrap heap player that he's best depicted here.



Yes he is. A WR who drops as many passes as he does is not even a JAG. He even double clutches on most of the catches he does manage to make. \

He's terrible, and wouldn't be a third WR on most teams. But yet he's the "number one" on this team. Says a ton about the pathetic nature of the group...


Richie James is on his 3rd NFL team. Slayton's better. He'll be around for a while.
RE: Slayton has been really under appreciated here on BBI  
jvm52106 : 12/5/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15934316 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.


Umm, see that is just crazy thinking. So Giants fans should be happy that all of our top guys didn't work out or were injured so that Slayton could be the #1 and put up pretty average numbers with a fairly significant drop %..Its not like we throw 50 passes a game so his chances of dropping the ball are that much higher..
RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:33 pm : link
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You mean like when SY called him a JV wide Receiver? And how he specifically mentioned during the year that imagine when Jones gets real receivers?

SO bias haters like you and BW and others who regularly shit on Jones every chance you get - we
re supposed to believe your transparent crap of looking to build up other players so you can make yourself feel better about shitting on Jones?



Where did I say we don’t need better WRs? That doesn’t mean that Slayton isn’t a useful WR even when the situation does improve.

Your last line is the most annoying character trait of the DJFC. Everything is about Daniel Jones. I can’t have a positive opinion about someone else on the team because I don’t think Jones is worthy of being the Giants QB in the future?

You guys are absurd and exhausting. A compliment of Slayton being a serviceable WR3 apparently has something to do with Daniel Jones.


Yeah right. A guy like you who bitches at Jones any chance he gets surely wouldn't look to build up Slayton in order to refute the positive Jones posters. Yeah right.

Yes your nonsense is exhausting if not extremely transparent.
I like Slayton  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2022 3:36 pm : link
Considering he was a 5th round pick he has had a decent career. His biggest ability is availability. Slayton was a productive rookie and part of the issue might be the Giants seem to always trying to replace him, even this year.

I personally would bring him back. The free agent group is light and I would rather bring back a known commodity and try to keep continuity.

My opinion  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 3:38 pm : link
On Slayton has nothing to do with my opinion or anyone’s opinion of Daniel Jones. Assume all you want, but it just makes you look like an ass. Most people are able to hold multiple opinions independent of one another.

Am I allowed to say Andrew Thomas and Evan Neal are good or is saying that anti Daniel Jones because it’s propping up the oline?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15934639 giantstock said:
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That stat YOU MADE --A COMPARSION. Stop trying to weasel out of it like you normally do. That STAT you made compares Brown to Slayton. You SPECIFALLY cited it and cited the names stating they were similar regarding that stat.


I said Slayton has the same catch% as Brown, Allen, Williams.

That doesn't mean they are the same player(s).

For example, Jones has the same completion% right now as Mahomes and Brady. That doesn't mean he's the same player skill wise.

Are you feeling okay, btw? It doesn't take high level comprehension to follow what I was saying...
RE: It’s amazing that  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15934475 ajr2456 said:
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Only one player on this team is being held back and gets defended. And if you dare defend another player it’s an anti Jones agenda, even though he wasn’t mentioned here at all.

Saqoun is quitting. Slayton is garbage. Really fascinating to look at.


This comment is coming form the poster in which Dallas' 1st game in which Jones made a pass that got though you referred to it as "dangerous" even though it was a good throw that hit the receiver perfectly. You refused to even acknowledge it was a good throw. There have been other instances as well.

You are so freaking transparent its laughable. Who do you think you're kidding with this much effort to try to build up a bottom 3 high 4 WR?
RE: My opinion  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15934659 ajr2456 said:
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On Slayton has nothing to do with my opinion or anyone’s opinion of Daniel Jones. Assume all you want, but it just makes you look like an ass. Most people are able to hold multiple opinions independent of one another.

Am I allowed to say Andrew Thomas and Evan Neal are good or is saying that anti Daniel Jones because it’s propping up the oline?


MY opinion is what comes out of your posts is often bullshit just to dig on Jones.

You could offer your opinion and I'll offer mine. So we both understand each other- I think you prove with nearly every post that you are an ass.

The very fact of that 1st game with Dallas that you couldn't even admit that it was a good pass and just only used the word "Dangerous" highlights imo your character and pettiness.

I mean in the 2nd game with Dallas – the pass that didn’t connect between Barkley and Jones you claimed that the ball was at Barkley’s ankles. That says a lot about you.

This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 3:50 pm : link
Getting attacked for saying Slayton is serviceable and not trash. This board is filled with a whole lot of losers.

It’s god damn hilarious that one of the people who bitch and moan that there’s too many Daniel Jones arguments on this site is turning this into a Daniel Jones thread.

Might be out until the offseason when Jones is gone.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15934663 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15934639 giantstock said:


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That stat YOU MADE --A COMPARSION. Stop trying to weasel out of it like you normally do. That STAT you made compares Brown to Slayton. You SPECIFALLY cited it and cited the names stating they were similar regarding that stat.



I said Slayton has the same catch% as Brown, Allen, Williams.

That doesn't mean they are the same player(s).

For example, Jones has the same completion% right now as Mahomes and Brady. That doesn't mean he's the same player skill wise.

Are you feeling okay, btw? It doesn't take high level comprehension to follow what I was saying...


So we agree that you made a comparison, right? Will you now admit to that? Your stat is a comparison, is it not?

Again...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:00 pm : link
I compared the stat, not the skill of the player.

RE: This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15934677 ajr2456 said:
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That sums it up.
RE: This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15934677 ajr2456 said:
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Getting attacked for saying Slayton is serviceable and not trash. This board is filled with a whole lot of losers.

It’s god damn hilarious that one of the people who bitch and moan that there’s too many Daniel Jones arguments on this site is turning this into a Daniel Jones thread.

Might be out until the offseason when Jones is gone.


Now we hear it. Everyone is a bunch of losers that doesn't agree with your opinion. Yet you remain on this thread so you can whine and complain more. LMAO.

Man,-- thank you. You crack me up. LMAO. hahahaha I love it!!!
RE: Again...  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15934699 bw in dc said:
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I compared the stat, not the skill of the player.


One player is even with another in regards to that stat was what you were showing, correct? How is that not comparing both players by giving them a number as you did? You offered the number so you could compare the 2 players.
RE: RE: This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15934703 giantstock said:
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In comment 15934677 ajr2456 said:


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Getting attacked for saying Slayton is serviceable and not trash. This board is filled with a whole lot of losers.

It’s god damn hilarious that one of the people who bitch and moan that there’s too many Daniel Jones arguments on this site is turning this into a Daniel Jones thread.

Might be out until the offseason when Jones is gone.



Now we hear it. Everyone is a bunch of losers that doesn't agree with your opinion. Yet you remain on this thread so you can whine and complain more. LMAO.

Man,-- thank you. You crack me up. LMAO. hahahaha I love it!!!


No you’re the loser. This thread was a great discussion about Slayton until you came in here bitching about any positive opinions on Slayton being some cheap shot at Jones. Your posts have nothing to do with opinions, they’re just attacks because your head is so far in Daniel Jones crotch that nobody is allowed to talk positively about any other player on the Giants (even though I’m not sure saying someone is serviceable is that large of a compliment). You’re the only one bitching in this thread.
He ain't perfect but I hope they can keep  
Blue21 : 12/5/2022 4:09 pm : link
Him
RE: RE: Again...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15934712 giantstock said:
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In comment 15934699 bw in dc said:


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I compared the stat, not the skill of the player.




One player is even with another in regards to that stat was what you were showing, correct? How is that not comparing both players by giving them a number as you did? You offered the number so you could compare the 2 players.


The stat was offered to say simply say this:

Hey, maybe Slayton's catching% isn't as bad as we think because it falls in line with players such a X,Y,Z, etc. So, maybe he's not the stone hands being suggested...
RE: This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15934677 ajr2456 said:
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Getting attacked for saying Slayton is serviceable and not trash. This board is filled with a whole lot of losers.

It’s god damn hilarious that one of the people who bitch and moan that there’s too many Daniel Jones arguments on this site is turning this into a Daniel Jones thread.

Might be out until the offseason when Jones is gone.


Feels like we are trending towards needing 2 more years of evaluation on Jones. Between upgrading the roster and the time needed to develop chemistry, it's feeling like we're going to have to do at least 6 years of evaluation to know what we have.

I think we'll know by then, but if Kafka leaves or we have injuries, we might have to push out to 7 or 8
RE: RE: RE: This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15934715 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15934703 giantstock said:


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In comment 15934677 ajr2456 said:


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Getting attacked for saying Slayton is serviceable and not trash. This board is filled with a whole lot of losers.

It’s god damn hilarious that one of the people who bitch and moan that there’s too many Daniel Jones arguments on this site is turning this into a Daniel Jones thread.

Might be out until the offseason when Jones is gone.



Now we hear it. Everyone is a bunch of losers that doesn't agree with your opinion. Yet you remain on this thread so you can whine and complain more. LMAO.

Man,-- thank you. You crack me up. LMAO. hahahaha I love it!!!



No you’re the loser. This thread was a great discussion about Slayton until you came in here bitching about any positive opinions on Slayton being some cheap shot at Jones. Your posts have nothing to do with opinions, they’re just attacks because your head is so far in Daniel Jones crotch that nobody is allowed to talk positively about any other player on the Giants (even though I’m not sure saying someone is serviceable is that large of a compliment). You’re the only one bitching in this thread.


But you didn't just keep it about the discssuion did you? You had ot og and dig other psoters for not agreeign with your pov, right? Here is what you said--

Where's the technical talk? The data? You just wanted to dig at others. SO now it comes back and you and you whine?

From you-

"Obviously he’s not AJ Brown but he’s also not the trash some on here claim he is."


Where's the technical talk? The data etc? You just wanted to dig at others. So now it comes back at you and you whine?
How is saying he’s not as bad as people claim on here  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 4:16 pm : link
A dig? Are you that sensitive?

So if you say Jones isn’t as bad as people say on here is that a dig? Jesus Christ man go outside and touch some grass.
And there’s data above that line  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 4:17 pm : link
And in a subsequent post. But I know reading is tough for you.
Welcome to the abyss...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:20 pm : link
JFC.

It's the same as game threads for non Giants games  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 4:26 pm : link
Always people from the Jones club crapping on other QBs, talking about how great other teams "supporting" players are, and crapping on every Giants player except Jones.

Slayton plays for the Giants too. A bunch of Giants fans saying he's decent really should draw this much ire. Maybe he needs more PR about how he gets to work at the crack of 8 AM....
just the other day  
santacruzom : 12/5/2022 4:26 pm : link
I posted it was a shame Terps was threatened with being banned and that was justified by calling him a lunatic, but jeez, look at the shit on this thread!
RE: How is saying he’s not as bad as people claim on here  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15934738 ajr2456 said:
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A dig? Are you that sensitive?

So if you say Jones isn’t as bad as people say on here is that a dig? Jesus Christ man go outside and touch some grass.


So saying other posters are wrong is not a dig? And you stated this long beofre I 1st replied.

And read another post you sent below on page 1 before I joined.

So when YOU dig on Jones and other posters YOU SAY the thread is going fine. But when it's turned- then all of a sudden the thread is ruined? I man c'mon. Again you want it to be your opinion and no one elses. Otherwise you dig. If you are okay with everyone else's then stop whining.

"It’s amazing that Only one player on this team is being held back and gets defended. And if you dare defend another player it’s an anti Jones agenda, even though he wasn’t mentioned here at all.

Saqoun is quitting. Slayton is garbage. Really fascinating to look at."


The above quote from you is a sarcastic dig at other posters while also digging at Jones too, right?

RE: It's the same as game threads for non Giants games  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15934754 Jerry in_DC said:
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Always people from the Jones club crapping on other QBs, talking about how great other teams "supporting" players are, and crapping on every Giants player except Jones.

Slayton plays for the Giants too. A bunch of Giants fans saying he's decent really should draw this much ire. Maybe he needs more PR about how he gets to work at the crack of 8 AM....


Your comments are pretty laughable. So you do realize that SY has crapped on SLayton, right?

So who do we go with? A nutjob like you?
or SY?
Saying Jones  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 4:37 pm : link
Gets defended on here more than anyone is a dig? Are you that sensitive?

I remember a few months ago where even the faintest criticism of Jones was met with attacks that you weren’t a Giants fan. This is what gets you upset?
RE: RE: Again...  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/5/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15934712 giantstock said:
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In comment 15934699 bw in dc said:


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I compared the stat, not the skill of the player.




One player is even with another in regards to that stat was what you were showing, correct? How is that not comparing both players by giving them a number as you did? You offered the number so you could compare the 2 players.

Because it's a fact. It's not some subjective comparison.
RE: RE: It's the same as game threads for non Giants games  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/5/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15934768 giantstock said:
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In comment 15934754 Jerry in_DC said:


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Always people from the Jones club crapping on other QBs, talking about how great other teams "supporting" players are, and crapping on every Giants player except Jones.

Slayton plays for the Giants too. A bunch of Giants fans saying he's decent really should draw this much ire. Maybe he needs more PR about how he gets to work at the crack of 8 AM....



Your comments are pretty laughable. So you do realize that SY has crapped on SLayton, right?

So who do we go with? A nutjob like you?
or SY?

Sy said that DJ's throw on Slayton's drop was just as much DJ's fault as it was DS's.

We can go with Sy's opinion if you'd like.
This is about dollars and value  
allstarjim : 12/5/2022 5:01 pm : link
What role do you see him filling on the Giants' next year?

If you slot him as a starter, as a #2, then you bring him back. But the Giants aren't likely to be keen on that. They are going to be shopping in free agency and the draft to improve their top two options. Wan'Dale is injured, yes. But you can get by even if your inhouse candidates like Hodgins and Marcus Johnson return, for less money out of the slot until Wan'Dale returns.

Plus slot is the easier position to fill, and Slayton isn't suited to that role.

So you bring him back as a depth piece to start in case one of your top two go down? At league minimum, sure. But I imagine there will be other newcomers to fill out the depth.

So you can't pay him $4M to be your 4th receiver, at best. It doesn't sound like a lot, but it isn't the way you allocate your cap dollars in a rebuild. For these reasons, he will either be back on a 1-year, vet min deal or similar, or he'll find greener pastures, or he'll be out of the league (least likely scenario).
RE: Saying Jones  
giantstock : 12/5/2022 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15934770 ajr2456 said:
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Gets defended on here more than anyone is a dig? Are you that sensitive?

I remember a few months ago where even the faintest criticism of Jones was met with attacks that you weren’t a Giants fan. This is what gets you upset?


First off you agree then that I didn't start the mention of Jones, right? You were replying to other posters that were sort of making positive posts about Jones while digging a bit on Slayton right? There were two other posters that made an implication regarding positive opinions on Slayton being some cheap shot at Jones. So you bullshit me when you said that it was me that started it, right? That's why you mentioned Jones in the 1ts place and started with "It's amazing . . . " Just another example of you being a bullshitter.

And you seem to think that I take it personal when you and others dig at Jones. Read the post I sent to Jerry from DC at 3:25 PM. If you want to to dig on Jones go ahead. If you want to hate him, go for it. But just admit you hate the guy. It’s okay. But you and Jerry and BW and many others have this pretense that you are being fair and maybe you would be but then you begin to dig into others with arrogance and sarcasm etc. fi they don’t agree with you. That would be fine too. But you have to be able to take it coming back at you.

It's okay you dig. Just take it when it comes back at you. And if you want to dig more-- okay. But expect a counter.

I mean look at Jerry now in regards to Slayton. Read his latest post or 2 on Slayton vs the Jones supporters. What if I really do agree with SY’s assertion that the WR core stinks (including Slayton which SY has digged), and all-the-while can’t believe / am amazed that someone like Jerry is wasting this much time defending a 3rd/4th stringer? You mean I’m not supposed to go after someone like Jerry who I have very little respect for while reading what SY has said about the WR core? So, I’m supposed to give Jerry some type of hug? Even though I think he’s wrong on what he says? And as he keeps firing away more posts in the manner he does digging on other posters, don’t you think that warrants some harshness back at him too? That goes for you as well. You could take it. So take it. Don’t be whining though about who blew up the thread. You were already digging other posters with your reply.
That post was in response to Mike in MD  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 5:14 pm : link
Accusing someone of only being positive about Slayton as part of their anti Jones agenda. You’re continuing to make this thread about the same thing.

How are you this asinine?
I think he's a decent 3rd option  
AcesUp : 12/5/2022 5:17 pm : link
Not sure how that lines up with the cost of bringing him back. His market value is kind of a hard one to peg. Zay Jones got 3yr 24m and 14 guaranteed, so it's not out of the question he could fetch something similar. I'd pass on that.
If I'm Slayton I want to try FA  
thefan : 12/5/2022 5:43 pm : link
because the Giants either won't be interested or from his perspective will low ball him. His ideal spot is somewhere he can come in as the #2 or #3 with an established WR1 already on the roster on a prove it deal.

But yes, I'd have him back on a lowball prove it deal knowing we need to spend a 1st on a WR and sign a possession WR too.
And Sy would be correct  
HomerJones45 : 12/5/2022 5:46 pm : link
[quote]Sy said that DJ's throw on Slayton's drop was just as much DJ's fault as it was DS's.[\quote]
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/5/2022 6:43 pm : link
A #3 on a good team.

The clear #1 WR option on the 2022 Giants.
RE: RE: RE: I’d be curious to see Slayton’s  
DefenseWins : 12/5/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15934617 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15934570 giantstock said:


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SO bias haters like you and BW and others who regularly shit on Jones every chance you get - we
re supposed to believe your transparent crap of looking to build up other players so you can make yourself feel better about shitting on Jones?



Just to clear the dense fog that's getting in your head here - no one is saying Slayton is Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Davante Adams, etc.

But Slayton is not this scrap heap player that he's best depicted here.


No, he is not complete shit, but he is no better than a #3 or #4 WR. He is NOT a #2 WR on any team other than the Giants.

Regarding his yardage total for this year, he is really the only guy who has been healthy enough to accumulate those yards.
RE: We could do better. Much better.  
short lease : 12/5/2022 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15934213 Anakim said:
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Second highest-drop rate is pretty telling. We don't need a WR with hands like Will Allen wearing oven mitts.


We need two outside WRs for next year and even a slot guy since Wan'Dale likely won't be ready.


Completely agree ... Hopefully there is a Blue chip WR waiting for us in the first round in 2023. We need a lot of help there. Slayton would be the #3 on any team with above average talent at that position.
RE: RE: Slayton has been really under appreciated here on BBI  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15934556 giantstock said:
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Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.



What another moronic comment you make. Yeah so he is good because ethe Giants WR's have gotten hurt or in Toney’s case just quit on the team. SO that a makes the Slayton discussion from pre-season wrong?


See this is the type of shit that pisses me off about this fucking site. How the fuck am I making a "moronic" comment. Mostly everyone on this site, including me, wanted him cut in training camp. He took a pay cut with the team, and kept his mouth shut. The guy never complained. He got his opportunity and he's producing for us. The only WR on this team worth anything. He's proven everyone on this site wrong. I'll goto war with a player like Slayton any day of the week, and I would welcome him back on the team at the right price.
Guys  
Shady Lurker : 12/5/2022 7:40 pm : link
like him are QB killers. I like him as a 5th option, but if he's in your starting lineup you've probably got a really bad roster. Like ours.
If you keep Jones, you keep Slay  
MeanBunny : 12/5/2022 7:48 pm : link
They have a good communiqué. I mean, he really is the only WR on the Giants that makes catches like this. I don't think he is all the problem and he has made these catches(like last week) over the top, under duress.
RE: He looks great to me now  
Beer Man : 12/5/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15934379 5BowlsSoon said:
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Drops and all…..HES OUR BEST WR and fast. Sign him back for a reasonable price.

I believe Hodgins will be a fine one but doesn’t have Slayton’s speed.
Being the Giants "Best WR", is that like being the tallest midget in the room?
You can argue  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2022 7:56 pm : link
Behind Saquon, Thomas and Jones that he’s been the 4th most valuable player on offense.

Is he a number 1? No. But he’s a very good complimentary receiver. The drop yesterday is fresh on a lot of peoples minds…and they quickly forget the number of clutch catches and big plays he’s made (including one yesterday that led to points and one versus Dallas- both plays were a result of him making a great play on the ball)

If you get a true number 1, Slayton would really thrive with his ability to win vertically and track the deep ball. He’s a big play guy/vertical- not a possession guy.

I’d be happy to have him back at a reasonable price.
RE: Guys  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15935011 Shady Lurker said:
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like him are QB killers. I like him as a 5th option, but if he's in your starting lineup you've probably got a really bad roster. Like ours.


Go ahead and name a team that has 4 WR’s better than Slayton. Better yet, find me 75 receivers in the entire league who are better than him. Calling him a number 5 is comical. We aren’t talking about fantasy football league with 10 or 12 teams…

Slayton is a low end number 2, good #3.
RE: You can argue  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15935037 Breeze_94 said:
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Behind Saquon, Thomas and Jones that he’s been the 4th most valuable player on offense.

Is he a number 1? No. But he’s a very good complimentary receiver. The drop yesterday is fresh on a lot of peoples minds…and they quickly forget the number of clutch catches and big plays he’s made (including one yesterday that led to points and one versus Dallas- both plays were a result of him making a great play on the ball)

If you get a true number 1, Slayton would really thrive with his ability to win vertically and track the deep ball. He’s a big play guy/vertical- not a possession guy.

I’d be happy to have him back at a reasonable price.


Good post. Feel similarly. Slayton at a reasonable price would work. He's a good vertical WR who can get intermediate and deep.
RE: RE: This is an incredibly stupid and unproductive conversation  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15934723 Jerry in_DC said:
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Getting attacked for saying Slayton is serviceable and not trash. This board is filled with a whole lot of losers.

It’s god damn hilarious that one of the people who bitch and moan that there’s too many Daniel Jones arguments on this site is turning this into a Daniel Jones thread.

Might be out until the offseason when Jones is gone.



Feels like we are trending towards needing 2 more years of evaluation on Jones. Between upgrading the roster and the time needed to develop chemistry, it's feeling like we're going to have to do at least 6 years of evaluation to know what we have.

I think we'll know by then, but if Kafka leaves or we have injuries, we might have to push out to 7 or 8


Rome wasn’t built in a day.
He's had flashes and he's healthy  
Atari2600 : 12/6/2022 12:12 am : link
He took a pay cut to play here and he has made some plays. That TD from 2 weeks ago; great catch last week; and the 55 yarder yesterday was a tough play. He got away with pushing off and needed quick hands to make the catch. He gets too much shit on here .
All I’m saying is I’m fine  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/6/2022 8:19 am : link
With bringing back Slayton on a cheap short term deal. We aren’t going to find 2 starting receivers in the draft. If he’s brought back to be a #2 or #3, while a rookie gets acclimated, and or Wandale gets back, we will be fine.
Sign him to a modest contract as the Y receiver  
sharp315 : 12/6/2022 8:38 am : link
He will take it. He is the team's leading receiver in 2022 and was the leading receiver in 2019 and 2020. He has his flaws but he's not a big body X. Pair him up with a legit contested catch X receiver (like what Golladay is supposed to be) and you've got a pretty nice combo with Slayton's burner speed and Wandale's quickness and agility underneath.
RE: RE: Slayton has been really under appreciated here on BBI  
sharp315 : 12/6/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15934556 giantstock said:
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Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.



What another moronic comment you make. Yeah so he is good because ethe Giants WR's have gotten hurt or in Toney’s case just quit on the team. SO that a makes the Slayton discussion from pre-season wrong?

Without Slayton this offense would be literally just Saquon getting stuffed at the line and DJ scrambling. We'd be average about 50 yards a game. Get real. Slayton is the only receiver on this time right now.
RE: You can argue  
BigBlue7 : 12/6/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15935037 Breeze_94 said:
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Behind Saquon, Thomas and Jones that he’s been the 4th most valuable player on offense.

Is he a number 1? No. But he’s a very good complimentary receiver. The drop yesterday is fresh on a lot of peoples minds…and they quickly forget the number of clutch catches and big plays he’s made (including one yesterday that led to points and one versus Dallas- both plays were a result of him making a great play on the ball)

If you get a true number 1, Slayton would really thrive with his ability to win vertically and track the deep ball. He’s a big play guy/vertical- not a possession guy.

I’d be happy to have him back at a reasonable price.


Shep
Robinson
Neal

are all more important to this offense.

Heck, I'd even put Bellinger over Slayton.
RE: RE: You can argue  
bw in dc : 12/6/2022 10:53 am : link
In comment 15935467 BigBlue7 said:
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In comment 15935037 Breeze_94 said:


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Behind Saquon, Thomas and Jones that he’s been the 4th most valuable player on offense.

Is he a number 1? No. But he’s a very good complimentary receiver. The drop yesterday is fresh on a lot of peoples minds…and they quickly forget the number of clutch catches and big plays he’s made (including one yesterday that led to points and one versus Dallas- both plays were a result of him making a great play on the ball)

If you get a true number 1, Slayton would really thrive with his ability to win vertically and track the deep ball. He’s a big play guy/vertical- not a possession guy.

I’d be happy to have him back at a reasonable price.



Shep
Robinson
Neal

are all more important to this offense.

Heck, I'd even put Bellinger over Slayton.


Breeze is talking about players who have played.
He’s cheap and there are obvious reasons for that.  
chick310 : 12/6/2022 10:56 am : link
But Slayton is fine being somewhere in an NFL wr unit.
There's a chance he gets paid this year  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2022 11:10 am : link
Look at the market. Slayton is on his way to 3 700 yard seasons in a terrible offense and he's on an 1100 yard pace since he started playing this year.

Kirk got $18 M/year, Chark got $10 M, Zay Jones got 8, Gage got 10, Gallup $11

If we could keep him on a cheap contract it would be a really good deal for us considering how desperate we are at receiver and what the market looks like now
RE: RE: You can argue  
sharp315 : 12/6/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15935467 BigBlue7 said:
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In comment 15935037 Breeze_94 said:


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Behind Saquon, Thomas and Jones that he’s been the 4th most valuable player on offense.

Is he a number 1? No. But he’s a very good complimentary receiver. The drop yesterday is fresh on a lot of peoples minds…and they quickly forget the number of clutch catches and big plays he’s made (including one yesterday that led to points and one versus Dallas- both plays were a result of him making a great play on the ball)

If you get a true number 1, Slayton would really thrive with his ability to win vertically and track the deep ball. He’s a big play guy/vertical- not a possession guy.

I’d be happy to have him back at a reasonable price.



Shep
Robinson
Neal

are all more important to this offense.

Heck, I'd even put Bellinger over Slayton.

3 of the 4 guys you just mentioned are rookies on rookie contracts who don't need new deals. Shep is never playing football again. Even in 2019 and 2020 he was behind Slayton in receiving yards.
Slayton is not as good as Mario Manningham  
djm : 12/6/2022 5:05 pm : link
but he's better than replacement level. Not a bad player, but can't be your only WR that can get deep or distract an opposing defense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is a competent...  
adamg : 12/6/2022 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15934535 riceneggs said:
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but if you do the math on his drop percentage, its not as bad as you think, compared to others.

Second worst in the league isn't as bad compared to ONE other. Literally only one person drops the ball at a higher rate than Slayton. WTF are you talking about?
I like Slayton.  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2022 6:28 pm : link
But he is what he is. A fast WR with limited ball skill and bad hands. I like that he can get open and stretch the defense.
Easily outplayed his rookie contract.
Just tough to pay a guy to catch a ball when he isn't that great at it.
RE: I like Slayton.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2022 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15936267 Thunderstruck27 said:
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But he is what he is. A fast WR with limited ball skill and bad hands. I like that he can get open and stretch the defense.
Easily outplayed his rookie contract.
Just tough to pay a guy to catch a ball when he isn't that great at it.


I dont think he'll be expensive to keep, but speed sells and every team in the NFL is looking for speed and potential at WR. You don't even have to have serious productivity to get a Christian Kirk contract.
RE: RE: I like Slayton.  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15936281 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15936267 Thunderstruck27 said:


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But he is what he is. A fast WR with limited ball skill and bad hands. I like that he can get open and stretch the defense.
Easily outplayed his rookie contract.
Just tough to pay a guy to catch a ball when he isn't that great at it.



I dont think he'll be expensive to keep, but speed sells and every team in the NFL is looking for speed and potential at WR. You don't even have to have serious productivity to get a Christian Kirk contract.


If he's inexpensive I'd resign him in a heartbeat. But I think he will look to cash in on his productivity...he might even have a bad taste in his mouth after he took a pay cut for us.
RE: I like Slayton.  
sharp315 : 12/6/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15936267 Thunderstruck27 said:
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But he is what he is. A fast WR with limited ball skill and bad hands. I like that he can get open and stretch the defense.
Easily outplayed his rookie contract.
Just tough to pay a guy to catch a ball when he isn't that great at it.

I do think having a burner at the Y receiver keeps a defense honest. If Golladay was even a fraction of what he was supposed to be I think Slayton in the Y as a deep threat and Golladay of old in the X would have been a nice compliment. Golladay might not be back in the league next year at this rate and Slayton might be on another team.
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