Slayton

And I'd be willing to keep him at 4th wr money.

Second highest-drop rate is pretty telling. We don't need a WR with hands like Will Allen wearing oven mitts.


We need two outside WRs for next year and even a slot guy since Wan'Dale likely won't be ready.

In comment 15934213 Anakim said:

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Second highest-drop rate is pretty telling. We don't need a WR with hands like Will Allen wearing oven mitts. We need two outside WRs for next year and even a slot guy since Wan'Dale likely won't be ready.

This is exactly why I’m open to re-signing him. He’s a solid 3rd or 4th receiver, who can step in start. We need find our starters in the draft.

...but on this roster has really put in the effort to do his best and contribute which I applaud.

But as you see from yesterday's game, lack of ability will come back to bite you.

Giants will probably move on IMO.

... as depth. As a 3rd or 4th WR. I'd love to have him back but it has to be cheap and we need an upgrade to every single WR position with Shep likely done and WanDale likely out for at least half of next year. I do like what I see from Hodges but the jury is still out. Seems like he may be someone to keep an eye on.

But generally speaking I feel like he’s outperforming his talent level here and has been an overall net positive given the state of our WR group.

Personally I find it hard to crap on Slayton. If only there were more guys like him on this team who play to or even outplay their ceilings.

Rather than pay a guy like Slayton market dollars

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Tim Carter.

and he leaves some plays on the field. He's a 4th WR on a contending team. Seems like a good guy. If he is happy with 4th WR money, I'm fine with him...

In comment 15934263 adamg said:

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Rather than pay a guy like Slayton market dollars

^This. He has the second highest drop rate in the league, and was first or second last year as well IIRC. I would let him go in FA, and I think the Giants will as well. They forced him to take a salary cut this year to stay and I don't think he's done anything to change their mind. His hands are too inconsistent, which is not surprising given that he body catches so many passes. Speed isn't enough. You have to be able to catch the ball.

Let him test free agency - wouldn't go much above the vet minimums on him

In comment 15934279 McNally's_Nuts said:

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Tim Carter.

Tim Carter never had over 320 yards receiving. Slayton has 4 seasons over that, including 2 over 700. It’s a dumb comparison.

Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.

shows you enough so that you think he might finally be turning the corner, then disappears on the field for several games

i'd like to resign him. he making plays with an average quarterback, in a run 1st offense.

his hands arent the best. we'll have to live with that. reminds me of Ted Ginn. Ted Ginn would always get open and you never knew if he'd catch it or not

OBJ - Slayton - Wandale Robinson - Sterlin Shepard (for 5 games) and whoever we draft

Drop percentage on deep passes and shorter stuff compared to both for the rest of the league. He’s got a similar catch rate to guys like AJ Brown. I’d bet as the season finishes up the drop percentage would be closer. Early on in the year Slayton was averaging 5 targets a game so the drop percentage was going to be skewed. With more targets lately it’s dropped under 10%.

Obviously he’s not AJ Brown but he’s also not the trash some on here claim he is.

You think he's a 3/4, go ahead and cut him; he'll have a starting gig with another team.

Drops and all…..HES OUR BEST WR and fast. Sign him back for a reasonable price.

I believe Hodgins will be a fine one but doesn’t have Slayton’s speed.

On this current roster he's a #1 only because it's the worst WR roster in the league.

He should be a #3 or #4.

Hands are obviously a big issue. It seems like most of his catches are sort of "accidental", never smooth or easily secured.

Averaging 6 YAC (for those that claim our recovers don’t do anything after the catch).

97.1 passer rating when targeted.

And not a 4th reciever either, he is a good 3rd reciever, and Wandel is a good slot receiver, he got hurt ag a bad time, and he will play next year, people act like we don't know if he will be available next year, that is bullshit, he will be playing next year, he may not be ready to roll opening game. But I do agree that we need to resign Slayton, and sign 2 wideouts for next season. So if you look at Slayton as a 3 or 4, whatever, he is pretty darn good, he does not have great hands, we all understand this.

downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.

Was a back breaker. But he would make a decent 3rd or 4th receiver. He is the only NFL receiver on the roster - withholding judgement on the rookie.

over Saquon.

at reasonable prices. Our lack of second contracts is in part our hubris in thinking our good players could be replaced with better players. Guys like Hankins, Joseph, Okarwa, the Lions linebacker, Apple, ...

if you look at his drops compared to others, its not bad at all...

you can sort by the entire league or just the NFC to get a good look


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Offer vet minimum or replace with same and maybe reep a comp.

In comment 15934408 bw in dc said:

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downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year.

WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.

In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said:

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but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.

so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton

Is on an 1100 yard pace since he started playing this year. For reference, guys in the 1100 yard area are - DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Michael Pittman, Terry McLaurin.

If you want to discount it a bit because that's too much projection, guys in the 900 yard area are - Christian Kirk, DK Metcalf, Marquise Brown, Davonta Smith

I know some people are really invested in all our "supporting" players being awful, but its just not true about Slayton. He's made some really nice plays over the past few weeks.

In comment 15934444 riceneggs said:

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In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said: Quote: but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable. so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton

Lamb sees 114 targets per year. Slayton sees 72.5. Perhaps Lamb has more drops because he sees so very many more targets?

Are you seriously comparing CeeDee Lamb and Darius Slayton?

Depth WR that doesn't play specials

but he is not a winning player as a starter. Too many drops and poor at best ball skills. He is the kind of guy that breaks your heart way too often. As a backup or a speed guy he is fine. Many forget that they couldn't trade him and he took a pay cut to stay, if he was a starting receiver in a WR crazy league someone would have traded for him and his agent would have never let him take a cut to the league minimum, not in a league where Corey Davis makes $12.5m! What is really upsetting is he is the Giants best receiver by leaps and bounds!

It's hard to find really good data on this, but I'd have assume that if he only had 2 drops that he'd be middle of the pack in drop rate.

So we're talking about 1 more completion over the 10 or 11 games that he's played in.

In comment 15934448 Jerry in_DC said:

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Is on an 1100 yard pace since he started playing this year. For reference, guys in the 1100 yard area are - DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Michael Pittman, Terry McLaurin. If you want to discount it a bit because that's too much projection, guys in the 900 yard area are - Christian Kirk, DK Metcalf, Marquise Brown, Davonta Smith I know some people are really invested in all our "supporting" players being awful, but its just not true about Slayton. He's made some really nice plays over the past few weeks.

He has the 2nd highest drop rate in the NFL. He isn't a great route runner. Fast, but not shifty. Doesn't play specials.

In comment 15934452 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 15934444 riceneggs said: Quote: In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said: Quote: but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable. so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton Lamb sees 114 targets per year. Slayton sees 72.5. Perhaps Lamb has more drops because he sees so very many more targets? Are you seriously comparing CeeDee Lamb and Darius Slayton?

Save your breath. If you try to refute every contortion some will do to make it seem like Jones is throwing to a competent group of receivers in an obvious attempt tp further their DJ agenda, you'll exhaust yourself.

Only one player on this team is being held back and gets defended. And if you dare defend another player it’s an anti Jones agenda, even though he wasn’t mentioned here at all.

Saqoun is quitting. Slayton is garbage. Really fascinating to look at.

I'm looking at Slayton with 3 drops on 52 targets

Diggs has 6 drops on 128 targets

Kelce has 6 drops on 108 targets

Chase has 4 drops on 82 targets

These are some of the higher drop guys, but Slaytons rate seems totally normal. And if he just had one fewer drop then he'd be way below these guys. Literally 1 completion over the course of the season seems like a really weird thing to get hung up on.

Has him with 5 drops

In comment 15934475 ajr2456 said:

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Only one player on this team is being held back and gets defended. And if you dare defend another player it’s an anti Jones agenda, even though he wasn’t mentioned here at all. Saqoun is quitting. Slayton is garbage. Really fascinating to look at.

I haven't seen one person say he is garbage? Though to be fair I haven't read every post. I'll reiterate my thoughts. He is a nice player to have on the roster but he is not nearly what you want as your number 1 receiver. Ideally he'd be in the 2011 Manningham role for me. #3 would be ideal.

In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 15934408 bw in dc said: Quote: downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year. WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable.

Let's review. I said "WR1 - / WR3 +..."

In other words, between a WR2 and WR3.

I hope that adds color to your world.

In comment 15934483 Jerry in_DC said:

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I'm looking at Slayton with 3 drops on 52 targets Diggs has 6 drops on 128 targets Kelce has 6 drops on 108 targets Chase has 4 drops on 82 targets These are some of the higher drop guys, but Slaytons rate seems totally normal. And if he just had one fewer drop then he'd be way below these guys. Literally 1 completion over the course of the season seems like a really weird thing to get hung up on.

I wrote on another thread, the Slayton has a catch% right now (63%+) like Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, AJ Brown.

Slayton is 5th in the NFL in YPC. He's not catching bubble screens, quick hitches, and jet sweeps that would certainly boost his catch%.

In comment 15934510 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 15934408 bw in dc said: Quote: downfield WR in the NFL. Calling him a WR4 is complete nonsense. I'd say he's a WR2-/W3+. At a reasonable contract, I'd definitely keep him for another year. WR2? Absurd. I am assuming you are disingenuously rating him that high to use as a slight against Jones in some way, but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable. Let's review. I said "WR1 - / WR3 +..." In other words, between a WR2 and WR3. I hope that adds color to your world.

A low end WR2 is still a WR2. I know exactly what you said.

In comment 15934452 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 15934444 riceneggs said: Quote: In comment 15934439 Chris in Philly said: Quote: but there is no WR2 with hands that unreliable. so what do you call CeeDee Lamb? cause he drops more balls than Slayton Lamb sees 114 targets per year. Slayton sees 72.5. Perhaps Lamb has more drops because he sees so very many more targets? Are you seriously comparing CeeDee Lamb and Darius Slayton?

I looked at another site.

It says Slayton has 5 drops out of 52 targets

Amari Cooper - 8 drops, 102 targets

Jaylen Waddle - 7 drops, 90 targets

CeeDee Lamb - 4 drops, 111 target (SO A BAD COMPARISON ON MY PART)

but if you do the math on his drop percentage, its not as bad as you think, compared to others.

i can remember one of the passes being behind him a couple weeks ago.


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A low 3 high 4. He doesn't catch the ball enough to be a solid 3. Many teams with 3's they want reliability.

In comment 15934518 bw in dc said:

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Slayton is 5th in the NFL in YPC. He's not catching bubble screens, quick hitches, and jet sweeps that would certainly boost his catch%.

didnt think about that. have we ever ran a screen pass to Slayton? or something quick?

Nice post.

Slayton is not the "Manos de Piedra" many here would have you believe... ;)

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In comment 15934268 PatersonPlank said: Quote: . A low 3 high 4. He doesn't catch the ball enough to be a solid 3. Many teams with 3's they want reliability.

we don't throw the ball at a high rate either.

In comment 15934316 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Everyone on this site wanted him cut in training camp. But imagine where we would be without him this year. I appreciate his effort and would love him back at 3rd receiver money.

What another moronic comment you make. Yeah so he is good because ethe Giants WR's have gotten hurt or in Toney’s case just quit on the team. SO that a makes the Slayton discussion from pre-season wrong?