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NGT: Anthony Richardson declares

ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:17 pm
Will be interesting to see his combine and workouts.
Skipping the bowl game so I’d gather  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:18 pm : link
No chance he returns to school.
smart move for him  
outeiroj : 12/5/2022 1:19 pm : link
next years draft is a lot more competitive and he has a better shot of being drafted in the first round this year...

that being said

I hope the giants do not draft him
Should be interesting  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2022 1:19 pm : link
He might be available when the Giants pick, I can't see him be a top-15 pick
Bad move  
jeff57 : 12/5/2022 1:23 pm : link
Aside from the money. Not ready for the NFL. A bigger Malik Willis.
RE: Should be interesting  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15934305 larryflower37 said:
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He might be available when the Giants pick, I can't see him be a top-15 pick


I don't know about that. He may end up top-10.
As it stands right now  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:26 pm : link
I’d take the chance
RE: Skipping the bowl game so I’d gather  
robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2022 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15934300 ajr2456 said:
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No chance he returns to school.


So did he declare for the NFL Draft or is he just not playing in the bowl game?
With the shit we have on our roster  
Carl in CT : 12/5/2022 1:30 pm : link
Yea it’s smart to replace one of our five best players if he wants to come back. NOT!!!!!!
RE: With the shit we have on our roster  
Scooter185 : 12/5/2022 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15934338 Carl in CT said:
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Yea it’s smart to replace one of our five best players if he wants to come back. NOT!!!!!!


Jones Über Alles!
Sy (II think) and some others have him going pretty high  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 1:32 pm : link
I imagine there will be a some wide thoughts on him like most QB's. With the amount of teams I think will be looking for QB's hard to seeing him lasting long.
RE: With the shit we have on our roster  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15934338 Carl in CT said:
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Yea it’s smart to replace one of our five best players if he wants to come back. NOT!!!!!!


If the roster is shit, is being one of the five best players on it that big of an accomplishment?
My guess is Team Richardson...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 1:37 pm : link
received intel that he's got a first round grade.
RE: My guess is Team Richardson...  
outeiroj : 12/5/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15934353 bw in dc said:
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received intel that he's got a first round grade.


I think someone definately drafts him in the first. The QB talent is not there this year and there are at least 8 teams looking for qb's this year. I just hope its not the Giants
RE: My guess is Team Richardson...  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15934353 bw in dc said:
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received intel that he's got a first round grade.


From my understanding a bunch of teams told him to go back and a bunch told him to declare because he’s a first round pick. It was definitely mixed.
RE: RE: My guess is Team Richardson...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15934374 ajr2456 said:
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received intel that he's got a first round grade.



From my understanding a bunch of teams told him to go back and a bunch told him to declare because he’s a first round pick. It was definitely mixed.


Not surprised at all. Going back to Gainesville made sense to further work on his craft - to me. I hope his team of advisors are smart and looking at this with the best intentions.
Seems like a poor choice  
widmerseyebrow : 12/5/2022 2:01 pm : link
I think he's passing an opportunity to go top 5 the following year with a good year. He has really mediocre tape right now. I trust Daboll and Schoen to make the right decision there, and I do think he'll be available when we pick.
I’d bet money he’s a top 10 pick  
Sean : 12/5/2022 2:03 pm : link
Sy said he could go #1 overall.
I have to imagine  
Biteymax22 : 12/5/2022 2:26 pm : link
Richardson is being looked at very hard by our front office.
If  
AcidTest : 12/5/2022 2:31 pm : link
we pick in the late teens or early twenties, Despite his shortcomings, Richardson will be long gone by then. Post season workouts will only elevate his stock because they will highlight his athletic abilities. The fifth year option for first round picks also gives teams another year to get him acclimated to the NFL.
People said Malik Willis was a Top 10 pick  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2022 2:45 pm : link
And if we wait until Round 2 we would not get him.

Richardson reminds me more of that but bigger more than he reminds me of Josh Allen. Allen was making correct reads in college, but suffered from lack of coaching. Richardson has had plenty of coaching from coaches who have coached NFL starters, but the reading of defenses/accuracy is scarily bad a lot of times.
Look at draft  
Sammo85 : 12/5/2022 2:45 pm : link
There's Texans, Lions, Panthers, Colts, Seahawks (via Denver) in top 7-8 picks whom all need QB options in coming years if not now. Moving from top 10 even into top 20 picks just as well, leads a couple more teams that might be willing to take a gamble given there are several (Lions, Seahawks, Texans that have multiple picks in 1st). Bucs and Falcons are also team there in mid-1st that need to find some kind of establishment with a future QB soon.

Garoppolo's newest injury with Niners throws their situation likely into play with Lance likely getting another shot and I think teams less likely to go long term with Garoppolo, plus questions about Jets situation, plus Packers with Rodgers/Love, all leads to a still robust QB carousel in coming seasons.

And I'm still expecting Raiders to keep Carr around for at least one more year.
I can easily  
Sammo85 : 12/5/2022 2:48 pm : link
see Richardson going before Levis too in draft.
Josh Allen had good coaching in college  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 2:48 pm : link
His former head coach at ND State has K State a top ten team that was overtime away from winning the Big 12. That’s better than anything Napier or Mullen have done.
RE: People said Malik Willis was a Top 10 pick  
AcidTest : 12/5/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15934497 Mike in NY said:
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And if we wait until Round 2 we would not get him.

Richardson reminds me more of that but bigger more than he reminds me of Josh Allen. Allen was making correct reads in college, but suffered from lack of coaching. Richardson has had plenty of coaching from coaches who have coached NFL starters, but the reading of defenses/accuracy is scarily bad a lot of times.


Willis went to Liberty. Richardson went to Florida. But I agree that Richardson definitely needs to improve his reading of defenses and accuracy. Some team may nonetheless take a chance in the top 10 because of his physical gifts. Teams are always desperate for QBs.
RE: People said Malik Willis was a Top 10 pick  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15934497 Mike in NY said:
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And if we wait until Round 2 we would not get him.

Richardson reminds me more of that but bigger more than he reminds me of Josh Allen. Allen was making correct reads in college, but suffered from lack of coaching. Richardson has had plenty of coaching from coaches who have coached NFL starters, but the reading of defenses/accuracy is scarily bad a lot of times.


Just to put some cards on the table is your coaching point about Dan Mullen? The guy who had a future Pro Bowl QB and got him drafted in the 4th round based on how he looked in college?
RE: Josh Allen had good coaching in college  
Sammo85 : 12/5/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15934503 ajr2456 said:
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His former head coach at ND State has K State a top ten team that was overtime away from winning the Big 12. That’s better than anything Napier or Mullen have done.


Allen went to Wyoming.
RE: Josh Allen had good coaching in college  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15934503 ajr2456 said:
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His former head coach at ND State has K State a top ten team that was overtime away from winning the Big 12. That’s better than anything Napier or Mullen have done.


Craig Bohl was a Defensive guy before he became HC at North Dakota State then Wyoming. The K-State HC never coached Allen. He followed Craig Bohl at North Dakota State after being their DC.
RE: Josh Allen had good coaching in college  
LarmerTJR : 12/5/2022 2:54 pm : link
Except Josh Allen went to Wyoming.

In comment 15934503 ajr2456 said:
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His former head coach at ND State has K State a top ten team that was overtime away from winning the Big 12. That’s better than anything Napier or Mullen have done.
He is a running back right now  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2022 2:54 pm : link
Not ready to be an NFL QB
He will get a GM  
Mook80 : 12/5/2022 2:54 pm : link
fired. There is going to be at least one that takes the risk, but he's a regime killer.
RE: RE: People said Malik Willis was a Top 10 pick  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15934513 AcidTest said:
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And if we wait until Round 2 we would not get him.

Richardson reminds me more of that but bigger more than he reminds me of Josh Allen. Allen was making correct reads in college, but suffered from lack of coaching. Richardson has had plenty of coaching from coaches who have coached NFL starters, but the reading of defenses/accuracy is scarily bad a lot of times.



Willis went to Liberty. Richardson went to Florida. But I agree that Richardson definitely needs to improve his reading of defenses and accuracy. Some team may nonetheless take a chance in the top 10 because of his physical gifts. Teams are always desperate for QBs.


At Liberty Willis was coached by Hugh Freeze the former Ole Miss now Auburn Head Coach. Dan Mullen is far and away better than any college coaching Josh Allen got.
RE: RE: Josh Allen had good coaching in college  
JB_in_DC : 12/5/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15934517 Sammo85 said:
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His former head coach at ND State has K State a top ten team that was overtime away from winning the Big 12. That’s better than anything Napier or Mullen have done.



Allen went to Wyoming.


And Kansas State WON the Big 12.
As an alumnus of UF  
Gjfro : 12/5/2022 3:00 pm : link
watched him often....great athlete but wildly inacurrate and not the best decision maker...rather have Jones
Surprised  
Rick in Dallas : 12/5/2022 3:00 pm : link
His decision making this year was awful.
He is not ready to play in the NFL by a long shot imv
That’s my mistake  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 3:01 pm : link
I mixed up Bohl and Kliemam. Regardless Vigen is a pretty good OC and a damn good talent evaluator since he was the one who recruited Wentz to ND state and Allen to Wyoming. He’s also 21-4 in his first head coaching gig.

I think there’s an assumption that Richardson has better coaching than Allen or Wentz did because he’s at Florida, but that’s not always the case.
Man why...  
Amtoft : 12/5/2022 3:04 pm : link
I only saw him play one game against Tenn and apparently that was one of his better games. I didn't think he looked all that great. I guess you are saying size, speed, arm strength and pray.
RE: I have to imagine  
outeiroj : 12/5/2022 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15934461 Biteymax22 said:
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Richardson is being looked at very hard by our front office.


He is viewed by scouts as having a Lamar ceiling and no comps to Josh Allen.
I just saw that  
Semipro Lineman : 12/5/2022 3:09 pm : link
DJ Uiagalelei is expected to enter the transfer portal. I wonder what program will take a chance on him resurrecting his career.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Man why...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15934549 Amtoft said:
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I only saw him play one game against Tenn and apparently that was one of his better games. I didn't think he looked all that great. I guess you are saying size, speed, arm strength and pray.


All draft choices are based on how they project to the NFL.

But it's impossible, IMV, to know how accuracy, consistency, ball placement, etc convey to the NFL. Impossible.

But it's not impossible to know how arm strength, arm talent, speed, athleticism, size, etc convey. Physical skills always convey.

Like I said earlier, I think AR should have gone back to Gainesville. Or maybe transferred to a different coaching staff. But strictly from a physical skills standpoint, he's got round one skills...easily.
RE: I have to imagine  
jeff57 : 12/5/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15934461 Biteymax22 said:
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Richardson is being looked at very hard by our front office.


I hope they look away.
He will be a hot topic of conversation  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 3:11 pm : link
And he's absolutely fascinating as a prospect. But I suspect he'll be gone way before our pick.
RE: RE: Man why...  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15934566 bw in dc said:
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I only saw him play one game against Tenn and apparently that was one of his better games. I didn't think he looked all that great. I guess you are saying size, speed, arm strength and pray.



All draft choices are based on how they project to the NFL.

But it's impossible, IMV, to know how accuracy, consistency, ball placement, etc convey to the NFL. Impossible.

But it's not impossible to know how arm strength, arm talent, speed, athleticism, size, etc convey. Physical skills always convey.

Like I said earlier, I think AR should have gone back to Gainesville. Or maybe transferred to a different coaching staff. But strictly from a physical skills standpoint, he's got round one skills...easily.


Physical skills do not always convey to NFL success. Plenty of gifted athletes have sucked at QB.
RE: I can easily  
jvm52106 : 12/5/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15934502 Sammo85 said:
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see Richardson going before Levis too in draft.


Mistake.. Levis will be a MUCH better pro!
I don't think it matters much  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 3:14 pm : link
playing a extra year. Yes he can advance some things but if its meant to be and he goes to the right type of team that supports him and brings him along accordingly he will rise if he has the goods. I just think your evaluation has to be that much better to eliminate risk.
Based  
g56blue10 : 12/5/2022 3:16 pm : link
On what I seen I couldn’t imagine spending a 1st on home. Now a 2nd or 3rd. That would be worth the chance. Perfect kind of QB to sit and learn while we give Jones a 2 ur contract.
RE: I don't think it matters much  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15934587 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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playing a extra year. Yes he can advance some things but if its meant to be and he goes to the right type of team that supports him and brings him along accordingly he will rise if he has the goods. I just think your evaluation has to be that much better to eliminate risk.


Agreed. I’m not sure what a fourth year does for him - he’s likely to be drafted in nearly the same spot anyway.
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Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15934602 ajr2456 said:
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playing a extra year. Yes he can advance some things but if its meant to be and he goes to the right type of team that supports him and brings him along accordingly he will rise if he has the goods. I just think your evaluation has to be that much better to eliminate risk.



Agreed. I’m not sure what a fourth year does for him - he’s likely to be drafted in nearly the same spot anyway.


You just miss some things I would like. Playing in bigger games, more opportunities to evaluate high pressure situations, etc.

But if they evaluation is on you can get around that.
RE: RE: Man why...  
Amtoft : 12/5/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15934566 bw in dc said:
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I only saw him play one game against Tenn and apparently that was one of his better games. I didn't think he looked all that great. I guess you are saying size, speed, arm strength and pray.



All draft choices are based on how they project to the NFL.

But it's impossible, IMV, to know how accuracy, consistency, ball placement, etc convey to the NFL. Impossible.

But it's not impossible to know how arm strength, arm talent, speed, athleticism, size, etc convey. Physical skills always convey.

Like I said earlier, I think AR should have gone back to Gainesville. Or maybe transferred to a different coaching staff. But strictly from a physical skills standpoint, he's got round one skills...easily.


I agree from a physical skills standpoint may be the best in the draft. I liked how he climbed in the pocket some also, but man he isn't ready. One more year would have been so good for him.
RE: smart move for him  
barens : 12/5/2022 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15934304 outeiroj said:
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next years draft is a lot more competitive and he has a better shot of being drafted in the first round this year...

that being said

I hope the giants do not draft him


I don't think that was a good move for him. He leaves a lot to be desired as a passer.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think it matters much  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15934615 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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You just miss some things I would like. Playing in bigger games, more opportunities to evaluate high pressure situations, etc.

But if they evaluation is on you can get around that.


Agreed but the risk is also a lot higher if a team is already willing to take you day 1
VERY risky, but it only takes one team...  
Anakim : 12/5/2022 3:38 pm : link
And I do think he offers more than Malik Willis did.



People may not like to hear it, but the Josh Allen comparisons coming out of Wyoming are accurate and we know who drafted and coached Josh Allen in the pros...
I think some of these "student athletes" are over the student part.  
81_Great_Dane : 12/5/2022 3:39 pm : link
They'd rather be developed in the NFL than in a college program, even an SEC-level college program.

The problem is (at least in my view) that the NFL isn't set up like the NBA to develop young guys. On a 12-man active NBA roster, a developmental player can be pretty far down the bench. In the NFL, pretty much everybody on the 53 has to be able to play. The NBA has the G League; the NFL has... NCAA football? The USFL?

If you're Anthony Richardson and you're not even ready to be a backup in 2023-24, somebody has to carry you on the 53 and make you inactive every week until you're at least ready to be the #2. That's a precious roster spot. Big ask of a team.
RE: With the shit we have on our roster  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/5/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15934338 Carl in CT said:
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Yea it’s smart to replace one of our five best players if he wants to come back. NOT!!!!!!

How much are you paying him, Carl? And for how long?

Jones is a free agent.
RE: RE: RE: Man why...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15934620 Amtoft said:
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I agree from a physical skills standpoint may be the best in the draft. I liked how he climbed in the pocket some also, but man he isn't ready. One more year would have been so good for him.


I agree. Right now, AR is a supremely gifted NFL QB prospect who is going to need a lot of development.

But in the right hands...
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think it matters much  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15934636 ajr2456 said:
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You just miss some things I would like. Playing in bigger games, more opportunities to evaluate high pressure situations, etc.

But if they evaluation is on you can get around that.



Agreed but the risk is also a lot higher if a team is already willing to take you day 1


I am less concerned with other teams evaluation and more concerned with our staffs. I am not one to like others influencing decisions. It should be based on their evaluation whatever that is and take necessary measures accordingly imv.
I don't think we'll be in position to draft him  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 4:14 pm : link
But I hope we do. If Daboll thinks he can get the best out of Richardson, that is what I want.

If we had a different staff - say Judge - I would absolutely not want us to draft him.
I am very intrigued by Anthony Richardson  
90.Cal : 12/5/2022 5:14 pm : link
Could be a better version of Jalen Hurts.
So it's safe to say 3 to 4 QBs go top 10  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2022 5:32 pm : link
Shroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson

One of them could be in play for a trade up especially if the Giants don't make the playoffs.
IMO I hope we build other positions (WR,G,CB,MLB,Etc) first before we draft a QB.
RE: I just saw that  
markky : 12/5/2022 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15934565 Semipro Lineman said:
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DJ Uiagalelei is expected to enter the transfer portal. I wonder what program will take a chance on him resurrecting his career. Link - ( New Window )


A former 5 star recruit, DJ had two good games in relief of T Law 2 years ago. Since then he's had some good games but by and large he's not been a very good QB. I don't know who's going to make him a starter. This will be interesting to watch.
Richardson strikes me as 2023's version of Malik Willis.  
BlackLight : 12/5/2022 6:35 pm : link
but without the excuse of having played Liberty's schedule for the reason why he can't read a defense or complete more than half his passes.

So I don't think he lasts to the third round, but find a prop showing odds that he's still on the board at 25 and hammer that shit.
RE: I just saw that  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/5/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15934565 Semipro Lineman said:
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DJ Uiagalelei is expected to enter the transfer portal. I wonder what program will take a chance on him resurrecting his career. Link - ( New Window )


He looked damn impressive in that 2020 game vs. ND in South Bend. He was alright last season & this season...talk about a roller coaster. The dude is all over the map.
Sy posted on his Twitter Richardson and Josh Allen comparison  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/5/2022 7:15 pm : link
in their final collegiate year and they are practically identical.
Richardson vs Allen - ( New Window )
Sign me up  
Scooter185 : 12/5/2022 7:20 pm : link
For him as the next NYG QB
Kayshon Boutte  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 7:22 pm : link
Returning to school
RE: Sy posted on his Twitter Richardson and Josh Allen comparison  
BlackLight : 12/5/2022 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15934981 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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in their final collegiate year and they are practically identical. Richardson vs Allen - ( New Window )


Find past QBs with final collegiate year stats comparable to Josh Allen's, and chart their pro careers. Then we can make an informed comparison.
Sy said his draft floor  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:42 pm : link
is #15....
RE: So it's safe to say 3 to 4 QBs go top 10  
Anakim : 12/5/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15934841 larryflower37 said:
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Shroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson

One of them could be in play for a trade up especially if the Giants don't make the playoffs.
IMO I hope we build other positions (WR,G,CB,MLB,Etc) first before we draft a QB.


Levis has not played well as of late. The potential is there and teams will drool over the measurables, but I think he may be closer to 32 than he is to the top-10 at this point. He may even dip into the second round.
I would draft him  
TommyWiseau : 12/7/2022 7:33 pm : link
And give Jones a 3 year deal. Gives him time to develop and we can be competitive with Jones
RE: I would draft him  
bw in dc : 12/7/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15937692 TommyWiseau said:
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And give Jones a 3 year deal. Gives him time to develop and we can be competitive with Jones


Why waste the money on Jones at that point? Go with Taylor, and Taylor can mentor AR while BD/MK start refining his game...
Just draft him and have him play  
Jerry in_DC : 12/7/2022 8:51 pm : link
In the Giants 2022 offense for a year with more QB running. Simple throws, almost no decision making. Richardson would still make more mistakes than Jones, but he'd also make more big plays.
Akili Smith  
Carl in CT : 12/7/2022 8:56 pm : link
Part II. = Bust.
RE: RE: So it's safe to say 3 to 4 QBs go top 10  
bw in dc : 12/7/2022 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15935025 Anakim said:
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Shroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson

One of them could be in play for a trade up especially if the Giants don't make the playoffs.
IMO I hope we build other positions (WR,G,CB,MLB,Etc) first before we draft a QB.



Levis has not played well as of late. The potential is there and teams will drool over the measurables, but I think he may be closer to 32 than he is to the top-10 at this point. He may even dip into the second round.


Too many tools not to go round one - IMV. I believe he's a lock right now.

Too your point, Levis killed Kentucky in the redzone this year. There are no excuses for some of his decisions.

However, he was beat to a pulp this year and showed some real toughness and reliability by only missing one game.

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