have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
LOL. And yet your ignorant ass will claim you don't post hundred of times a week about Jones. You're far past a hundred and it is only Monday.
What's the next move - claiming you are being "attacked"?? It was better in the old days when you posted RESEARCH that was neither research nor accurate. A fraud for some time now.
C'mon - deny that you don't post hundreds of times a week about Jones - that would be cute as hell, Chief.
RE: That All-22 video is like a, what do they call it?
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
Look at the other Slayton thread - you're all over it. Don't talk to me about health when you spend most of your week talking about Jones and doing whatever the fuck you can to say he shouldn't be the QB here.
Is that healthy or productive?? Again - are you going to say you don't post hundreds of times a week?? Please tell me you aren't that fucking clueless?
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Jones did throw to his outside shoulder. That's why slayton got twisted when he jumped
Thread my only comments involving Daniel Jones is when giantstock and others accused posters of not being sincere about their opinion about Slayton and that the compliments were digs at Jones. I didn’t start that conversation so try again fuck face. Continue to make shit up, it’s becoming psychopathic at this point.
You seem to not like what people discuss on this board so instead of bitching about it every single time you come on here, why not just not come on here instead of trying to police the board?
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
It always disappoints me to disappoint the FMiC.
There is obviously deep pain from the departure of David Gettleman. And that manifests in all of the vitriol and rancor pouring out of the FMiC.
But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.
Fatman will follow his hero to his new team. And a whole new fan base can be exposed to his psychopathic vitriol...and they will learn that they are a bunch of fuckface cunt morons...just like us
But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.
After all these years, after all the anger, after the incredible commitment to being wrong -- it's sad the eminently forgettable Daniel Jones -- is the hill our sweaty big friend is breaking down and dying on.
Fatman will follow his hero to his new team. And a whole new fan base can be exposed to his psychopathic vitriol...and they will learn that they are a bunch of fuckface cunt morons...just like us
I understand he has drops. He also has the only meaningful receptions in the past 5 or 6 games.
He has limitations but he has really helped a lot this year as well. I give him credit. He was pretty much passed over by the league and has found a way to may some good contributions and trying to fit in a role with expectations he is not made for.
I like Slayton a lot. Seemed like a really good guy
and he's a decent NFL receiver. He's extremely fast, but his hands aren't great. He should have ran through that ball, Jones put it far enough away from the middle safety and in a great spot but its a deep ball at game speed. It's not an 'easy' play, but a play a #1 receiver would make. He almost did.
Jones threw it to the proper place. It would have been completed had he thrown it to the inside shoulder but only because the safety ran took a very odd route to the ball. Can he not open up to the right lol? With a middle safety I think that ball is thrown exactly where it should have been thrown.
Some of these comments are out to lunch. As soon as the safety opens his hips to the middle Jones throws the ball. THAT's when Slayton really gets open. Great concept imo.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
Slayton is wide open at the 50. Why isn’t the ball there to meet him?
I’m always interested in learning something so tell me what safety was breaking their hips and when. The DB who looks to have coverage responsibility for Slayton is running with his back turned to Slayton when he is open.
At the 3 second mark the deep middle safety opens his hips away from Slayton, I think its the strong safety #22 but hard to tell. I am assuming he's peeking at James, maybe Jones' eyes were there or he just made a bad read.
At the same time the corner dropping deep to that side (where the ball was thrown) picks up Hodgins leaving that deep side of the field and moves across the 40.
Had Jones been throwing the ball by that time its likely one of the two DBs fail to make the move they made. That's all at the 3 second mark of that video.
By the 4 second mark Jones has released that ball. All Slayton had to do was run under it.
For the record, I am in the "jury still out" camp on Jones. At this point I would not be offering him a big contract though I admit my opinion has softened a bit on him this season. I was not a fan coming into the year thought we should be looking to move on.
Some of these comments are out to lunch. As soon as the safety opens his hips to the middle Jones throws the ball. THAT's when Slayton really gets open. Great concept imo.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
The safety is peaking in on James, who is running a cross.
Once he realizes Slayton is unaccounted for, he has to flip his hips the other way, and starts running to the spot where Slayton is going to be.
IMV, if the ball from Jones is thrown just a little sooner the play is probably going to be successful.
and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
Hey that's what I said 🙂
Then you would be correct! Funny thread, obvious who never played football before.
Slayton has been double-clutching receptions since he
became a NY Giant. Even ones he pulls in he almost always "double-catches" so if anybody is surprised he dropped this then you just aren't watching.
And of course the pass was late and thrown to wrong side. But that shouldn't be a surprise either.
The ball still should have been hauled in but this is an example of why teams aren't overly concerned about the passing game of the NY Giants, from both a passing and receiving perspective. They suck at it.
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I'm the same way too. I lean toward saying goodbye to Jones. And we have posters like BW. SO petty that he feels a need to just keep posting bullshit.
His latest attempts here to keep trying to build up Slayton is so laughable.
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
You should talk?
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
looks like washington dropped the coverage. From my view, Slayton ran a poor route. He ran towards the only defender left. Jones throws away from the defender. A throw closer to the sideline would have been ideal in regard to the quarterbacks job. However, Slayton positioned himself so close to the defender that a throw farther to the outside makes it impossible for Slayton to even get a hand on.
I'm speaking as a layman here, but from my view; this is mostly on Slayton. He did not seek the open area of the field, still got his hands on it and failed to make the catch.
Slayton's got to hang on to that ball. I've been harping about his hands back to when he was a BBI darling rather than whipping boy, and at this point it's clear that he's never going to have reliable hands.
The throw was acceptably good, I guess, but I wouldn't call it "well-thrown". No, that doesn't excuse Slayton for dropping it.
Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why
Slayton almost didn't make the team, had to take a paycut from an already modest salary and drew little interest on the trade market.
He has no instincts. He doesn't track the ball well. He has bad hands. He's light as a feather and gets blown around the field - almost zero play strength. And he does not make the tough, contested catch.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
The ball should've been caught.
Still talking about a post from weeks ago where Jones made a bad throw. Obsessive, borderline psychopathic. You’re like fat man’s less literate twin brother.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
The throw should aim for the back corner of the endzone within ten yards of the boundary. That's what is typically coached. But, because Slayton was incorrectly turned and drifting to the inside, Jones had to try and lead him outside away from the safety. This eliminated where Jones should have been aiming the pass.
Slayton ran a lazy route and turned to the wrong shoulder. Given that and he wasn't running full tilt suggests he got the pre-snap read wrong, and then he didn't react to the safety who pulled off and went into trail technique behind him from centerfield. Basically, Slayton didn't expect the pass based off pre-snap keys, and Wash was disguising their coverage. You could see Jones suddenly realize the coverage and spot Slayton wide open, he just wasn't in the right spot for the optimal pass to be thrown to him. Finally, he doesn't secure the ball before contacting the ground.
RE: RE: Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton dropped a pass that he had both hands on, and no defender within a couple of yards of him so he didn't have to worry about getting popped as he was making the catch. Yes he had to extend himself a bit, but an NFL caliber receiver HAS to catch that ball. Period.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
LOL. And yet your ignorant ass will claim you don't post hundred of times a week about Jones. You're far past a hundred and it is only Monday.
What's the next move - claiming you are being "attacked"?? It was better in the old days when you posted RESEARCH that was neither research nor accurate. A fraud for some time now.
C'mon - deny that you don't post hundreds of times a week about Jones - that would be cute as hell, Chief.
This is so true. I’ve been thinking this for weeks (on other issues)
People see what they want to see
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I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.
Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught
Yes, and the ball should have been delivered earlier and more accurately.
The ball could have been delivered a week from Tuesday for all I care. He had it in both hands. He should have held it
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
Look at the other Slayton thread - you're all over it. Don't talk to me about health when you spend most of your week talking about Jones and doing whatever the fuck you can to say he shouldn't be the QB here.
Is that healthy or productive?? Again - are you going to say you don't post hundreds of times a week?? Please tell me you aren't that fucking clueless?
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Jones did throw to his outside shoulder. That's why slayton got twisted when he jumped
Critique these drops by HOF Jerry Rice -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18yQ2ndyjI
You seem to not like what people discuss on this board so instead of bitching about it every single time you come on here, why not just not come on here instead of trying to police the board?
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
It always disappoints me to disappoint the FMiC.
There is obviously deep pain from the departure of David Gettleman. And that manifests in all of the vitriol and rancor pouring out of the FMiC.
But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.
Let's give it some more time. It's been a very challenging year for the FMiC with Gettleman, EditGate, his podcast, getting TKO'd by Googs, etc.
After all these years, after all the anger, after the incredible commitment to being wrong -- it's sad the eminently forgettable Daniel Jones -- is the hill our sweaty big friend is breaking down and dying on.
And let's not forget obtuse and ponderous.
Critique these drops by HOF Jerry Rice -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18yQ2ndyjI
I'm sold. Slayton is the second coming of the GOAT
He has limitations but he has really helped a lot this year as well. I give him credit. He was pretty much passed over by the league and has found a way to may some good contributions and trying to fit in a role with expectations he is not made for.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
I’m always interested in learning something so tell me what safety was breaking their hips and when. The DB who looks to have coverage responsibility for Slayton is running with his back turned to Slayton when he is open.
Terrible ball skills
Below average body control
All comments Sy has consistently made in his game reviews when describing Slayton’s game performance.
Yet he’s our number 1 WR target and I am not a Jones defender
We are talking about Slayton on this thread
At the same time the corner dropping deep to that side (where the ball was thrown) picks up Hodgins leaving that deep side of the field and moves across the 40.
Had Jones been throwing the ball by that time its likely one of the two DBs fail to make the move they made. That's all at the 3 second mark of that video.
By the 4 second mark Jones has released that ball. All Slayton had to do was run under it.
For the record, I am in the "jury still out" camp on Jones. At this point I would not be offering him a big contract though I admit my opinion has softened a bit on him this season. I was not a fan coming into the year thought we should be looking to move on.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
The safety is peaking in on James, who is running a cross.
Once he realizes Slayton is unaccounted for, he has to flip his hips the other way, and starts running to the spot where Slayton is going to be.
IMV, if the ball from Jones is thrown just a little sooner the play is probably going to be successful.
I was thinking Kurosowa and Rashomon. All have their "truths" about what happened. Ultimately it revolves around themselves.
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and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
Hey that's what I said 🙂
Then you would be correct! Funny thread, obvious who never played football before.
And of course the pass was late and thrown to wrong side. But that shouldn't be a surprise either.
The ball still should have been hauled in but this is an example of why teams aren't overly concerned about the passing game of the NY Giants, from both a passing and receiving perspective. They suck at it.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I'm the same way too. I lean toward saying goodbye to Jones. And we have posters like BW. SO petty that he feels a need to just keep posting bullshit.
His latest attempts here to keep trying to build up Slayton is so laughable.
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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
You should talk?
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
The ball should've been caught.
I'm speaking as a layman here, but from my view; this is mostly on Slayton. He did not seek the open area of the field, still got his hands on it and failed to make the catch.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
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Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
The throw was acceptably good, I guess, but I wouldn't call it "well-thrown". No, that doesn't excuse Slayton for dropping it.
He has no instincts. He doesn't track the ball well. He has bad hands. He's light as a feather and gets blown around the field - almost zero play strength. And he does not make the tough, contested catch.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
You should talk?
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
The ball should've been caught.
Still talking about a post from weeks ago where Jones made a bad throw. Obsessive, borderline psychopathic. You’re like fat man’s less literate twin brother.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Is that in reply to my post?
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
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Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
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Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
Spot on
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
I know this is a complete aside, but when was the last time you saw a drop like Boyd had? That was unbelievable.
Now that is a play to assign 100% blame to the WR... ;)
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In comment 15934877 thefan said:
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
The throw should aim for the back corner of the endzone within ten yards of the boundary. That's what is typically coached. But, because Slayton was incorrectly turned and drifting to the inside, Jones had to try and lead him outside away from the safety. This eliminated where Jones should have been aiming the pass.
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And he does not make the tough, contested catch.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton dropped a pass that he had both hands on, and no defender within a couple of yards of him so he didn't have to worry about getting popped as he was making the catch. Yes he had to extend himself a bit, but an NFL caliber receiver HAS to catch that ball. Period.