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shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2022 3:00 pm
The end zone angle makes me sick. What was Slayton thinking?


Nick Falato@NickFalato - ( New Window )
Just keep running why leap???  
Rick in Dallas : 12/5/2022 3:03 pm : link
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RE: Just keep running why leap???  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15934546 Rick in Dallas said:
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Exactly what I saw from section 126.

He hesitates and to make matters worse mis-timed the jump.

No sense rehashing, we are LIMITED on offense.
It's called  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 3:06 pm : link
a lack of ball skills.
He almost turned himself around  
jeff57 : 12/5/2022 3:07 pm : link
That’s what it was all about.
Thats  
g56blue10 : 12/5/2022 3:08 pm : link
Even worse than I originally thought. That could have been a TD
RE: Just keep running why leap???  
Biteymax22 : 12/5/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15934546 Rick in Dallas said:
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I know he caught one earlier in the game, but these over the shoulder "track the ball" situations aren't something he's good at, which is a shame because he gets open.
I put in the thread above but to me  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 3:10 pm : link
Jones was putting him in a good spot to make the catch. He would have to comment on it but I think he was protecting Slayton to be able to make the catch imv.
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Banks : 12/5/2022 3:10 pm : link
oh boy, that looked way worse from that angle. Damn
...  
broadbandz : 12/5/2022 3:11 pm : link
Commanders 3rd WR is light yrs ahead of anyone on the roster right now. Just shameful drafting and roster management.
Jones' fault  
rnargi : 12/5/2022 3:12 pm : link
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Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:12 pm : link
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.

RE: Just keep running why leap???  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/5/2022 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15934546 Rick in Dallas said:
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Bad players make bad plays.
Keep running!!!!!  
GiantsRage2007 : 12/5/2022 3:13 pm : link
Did he go to the Evan Engram school of ball skills?

Don’t stop and jump!!!!

It was a brutal drop at the time  
speedywheels : 12/5/2022 3:13 pm : link
But it's even worse looking from that angle.

Game changer right there...
Jones threw late and to the wrong shoulder  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 3:13 pm : link
Slayton shouldn't have jumped and still should have held on to it.

Lack of talent all over the place on display with that play
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/5/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
where are all the Jones critics that were  
JerrysKids : 12/5/2022 3:14 pm : link
saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
They guy who posted this, Falato, seems to think the pass should go  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/5/2022 3:15 pm : link
over his left shoulder, which would make a ton of sense. Except Slayton is already turned and looks for it over his right shoulder.

In any case, you have to make this catch. Only one of 10,000 chances to win this game, jeez.

i love it when in the heat  
Rory : 12/5/2022 3:15 pm : link
of the game action is being micro analyzed by fans who sit at their computer all day.

Most never even played a sport in their life.
He also slows down around the 50 yard line  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 3:17 pm : link
before he goes for the 360 jumper. I'm not sure that he was expecting the ball.
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
JoeFootball : 12/5/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


Then it also confirms that your blind
Not sure he does not take a big hit  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 3:18 pm : link
if he threw it to the right shoulder which is why I said I think Jones was protecting from that occurrence.
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
broadbandz : 12/5/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


Man what a QB expert you are.
RE: i love it when in the heat  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15934593 Rory said:
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of the game action is being micro analyzed by fans who sit at their computer all day.

Most never even played a sport in their life.


And play Madden.

When did we hit the point where teams/players can't make mistakes?

Right after Jones fumbled and they took a 3-0 lead, I get a text from a friend "Doesn't look good." LOL

RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
speedywheels : 12/5/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


LOL, of course you ding Jones on that play.

An NFL caliber receiver absolutely HAS to catch that ball. The only reason why Slayton had to extend was because he inexplicably stopped running and decided jumping instead was a good idea. He keeps running - like he's supposed to - and it's an easy TD.

Zero excuse for dropping it.
RE: where are all the Jones critics that were  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15934589 JerrysKids said:
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.


Next thing we'll hear is Slayton was supposed to stop :)
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
mittenedman : 12/5/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


You have no idea what you're talking about.
RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
jvm52106 : 12/5/2022 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15934586 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?


BW will NEVER say Jones did something right.. He is just a tad less biased than Go Terps. LOL
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BrettNYG10 : 12/5/2022 3:23 pm : link
Slayton really should have had that. Not an easy catch, necessarily, but you see college WRs make tougher catches weekly.
BigBlue7 Jones threw late and to the wrong shoulder  
JerrysKids : 12/5/2022 3:23 pm : link
That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.
Look at the safety.  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 3:24 pm : link
It’s comical. He runs deep, then he realizes that Slayton is stopping, and he has to circle around.
I will say, if that is Eli Manning  
jvm52106 : 12/5/2022 3:24 pm : link
throwing that ball is going to be more up and over (to the left) allowing the receiver to run with it.

Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..
RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15934586 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:


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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?


If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.

Slayton slows his feet before he even reaches the 50  
bigblue5611 : 12/5/2022 3:27 pm : link
almost thinking that he's going to sit the route and Jones will hit him there. As others have said, if he keeps going, that's an easy catch and most likely a TD.
I guess that WFT safety is  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 3:27 pm : link
not a concern if he hit him on the path Slayton was on. I think good chance that safety arrives with the ball.
I’m really surprised by your comment bw  
Rick in Dallas : 12/5/2022 3:28 pm : link
All Slayton had to do was keep on running and it’s a easy catch probably for a TD.
That’s all on Slayton imv.
The reason he stops and jumps  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 3:28 pm : link
is because he slows down around the 50 and has no other choice at that point. He wasn’t overthrown by any stretch of the imagination. With his speed, he would have walked it in for a touchdown if he catches it in stride.
RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2022 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15934627 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:


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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?



If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.


So in other words you speculate that it was Jones's fault, not that Slayton fucked up and stopped running his route because he could not be bothered.
RE: BigBlue7 Jones threw late and to the wrong shoulder  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15934619 JerrysKids said:
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That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.


Jones thought they were in cover 3 and didn't realize they were in cover 1 post snap. He needs to throw the ball away from the deep safety there once he sees the corner run with the crosser

He didn't see it
RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15934613 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:


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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?



BW will NEVER say Jones did something right.. He is just a tad less biased than Go Terps. LOL


Another falsity. I had an exchange earlier where I complimented Jones on the throw he made to James late in OT to get into FG range.

If you want to think this play to Slayton was this perfect throw, and Slayton should easily caught it, by all means have had it.


I have seen bw  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 3:32 pm : link
throw some praise at Jones. It might be 3500 negatives to get to that positive but they do exist.
RE: I’m really surprised by your comment bw  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15934635 Rick in Dallas said:
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All Slayton had to do was keep on running and it’s a easy catch probably for a TD.
That’s all on Slayton imv.


Like I said, it looks like Slayton expected the ball to be there once he turned. And once it wasn't, he had to speed up, leap, and try to bring it in.
RE: He almost turned himself around  
Ron Johnson : 12/5/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15934560 jeff57 said:
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That’s what it was all about.


but he forgot to do the hokey pokey
RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15934638 Mike in NY said:
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So in other words you speculate that it was Jones's fault, not that Slayton fucked up and stopped running his route because he could not be bothered.


Not totally sure who is at fault. None of us know the play, the timing, or what option Slayton was on Jones's reads.

Let me put it this way. I don't think this play cost us the chance of winning. There were a lot of opportunities to close out that game yesterday.
The DJ detractors  
stoneman : 12/5/2022 3:37 pm : link
it was a 40 yard throw - cant be that precise or perfect. The receiver has to adjust and is expected to. It was such a dart that made it into a bang bang reaction, which he misplayed. Much easier to critique in hindsight.
RE: RE: BigBlue7 Jones threw late and to the wrong shoulder  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15934640 BigBlue7 said:
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That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.



Jones thought they were in cover 3 and didn't realize they were in cover 1 post snap. He needs to throw the ball away from the deep safety there once he sees the corner run with the crosser

He didn't see it


And Slayton ran a lazy route. He knew the corner wasn't going going deep so Slayton needed to bend that route to the outside, away from the safety in the middle of the field.

Mental breakdowns by both players
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/5/2022 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


lmao.
we had the best view in the house  
djm : 12/5/2022 3:43 pm : link
upper tier behind the EZ. Slayton blew it. It happens.
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/5/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Speechless
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
JCin332 : 12/5/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


Lol you're not very good at film study then...

RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15934681 JCin332 said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




Lol you're not very good at film study then...


So, you are certain that Jones was on time with the throw...?

Would it surprise you if he wasn't on time with his decision making?
I was in 146 (Slayton was coming at me)  
Essex : 12/5/2022 3:55 pm : link
I thought live he should have kept running, but I think after viewing the video he got scared that the safety was going to cut it off, so he broke his route a bit early and then mistimed the jump. Something bothered Slayton because he should have kept running.
RE: Jones threw late and to the wrong shoulder  
Stratman : 12/5/2022 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15934583 BigBlue7 said:
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Slayton shouldn't have jumped and still should have held on to it.

Lack of talent all over the place on display with that play


You are joking, right? If Slayton kept running, he would've caught the ball in stride.
This was mentioned yesterday and this confirms it. That would have  
Blue21 : 12/5/2022 4:02 pm : link
Been 6 game over.
I said this on other threads  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 4:05 pm : link
but Cross said the pass was perfect. Now Cross was clearly no Jerry Rice, but I'll go with the opinion of a former professional
RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15934687 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:


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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




Lol you're not very good at film study then...




So, you are certain that Jones was on time with the throw...?

Would it surprise you if he wasn't on time with his decision making?


Maybe, but not on that play...
There’s a lot to say about what could have went different on this play  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 4:15 pm : link
But Slayton shouldn’t have kept running. If he keeps running that ball isn’t coming over his shoulder into his arms, you can tell by the trajectory. Maybe he could have taken another step or two but it’s also in the heat of the moment with a defender coming across to break up the play.
christ  
djm : 12/5/2022 4:20 pm : link
you guys are amazing.
RE: where are all the Jones critics that were  
allstarjim : 12/5/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15934589 JerrysKids said:
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.


You might be surprised at this, but even objectively bad QBs make very good throws sometimes.

I think Taylor Heinicke stinks, but his 4th down conversion late in the game yesterday was the difference between a Giants' W and what ended up being the result. It was a terrific play he made out of a disaster.

This doesn't make Heinicke a good QB.
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
Vinny from Danbury : 12/5/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


You're either blind, have an agenda, or are a moron. Hard to say which after years of reading your posts here?
RE: I will say, if that is Eli Manning  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15934622 jvm52106 said:
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throwing that ball is going to be more up and over (to the left) allowing the receiver to run with it.

Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..


If it was Eli Manning, the ball would have been a little higher and Slayton would have reeled it in with 1 hand and outran the Safety for a TD. Of course, in that scenario Slayton is a young OBJ.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/5/2022 4:24 pm : link
Could have been a better throw, but Darius has to catch that.
RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15934627 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?



If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.


What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
Should  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2022 4:29 pm : link
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RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
k2tampa : 12/5/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


Slayton slowed down after about 15 to 20 yards. Have no idea why, except maybe things like that are why he almost didn't make the team in the first place.
RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/5/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15934586 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?



Haha exactly
RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15934756 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15934627 bw in dc said:



If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.




What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.


It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.

But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
That's  
AcidTest : 12/5/2022 4:42 pm : link
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
They showed a stat yesterday about Slayton's drops  
RCPhoenix : 12/5/2022 4:43 pm : link
He's among the highest in the league for WRs.

Great talent but his inconsistency is maddening. And I agree with others on this thread, why did he slow down on that route?
Jones is a tick late with the throw  
JonC : 12/5/2022 4:46 pm : link
and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
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Del Shofner : 12/5/2022 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15934781 JonC said:
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I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass.


That's what I was thinking too.
Slayton should have caught that  
compton : 12/5/2022 4:48 pm : link
but I understand why he might have slowed down. Maybe he attempted to come back towards the QB when he saw the pass coming his way. At that point he had no choice but to jump for the ball. On deep routes we often criticize the WR for not coming back to help the QB who might be under duress. It's understandable why Slayton slowed down, but he should have caught that.
RE: That's  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15934775 AcidTest said:
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on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.


Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
RE: RE: That's  
bluewave : 12/5/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15934787 bw in dc said:
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on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.



Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?


If he doesn't slow down at the 50 that ball is not high...
there's a bit too much nitpicking as usual...  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 4:53 pm : link
....the ball is basically there and he's got to catch it - even if he's contacted by the safety.

Just looked closer at it  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 4:55 pm : link
Ball is out with Slayton at the Giants 46. You are looking at just over 15 yards to adjust to the ball and adjust which is more than enough time and it does seem he shades inwards. The more I look the more I put on Slayton and even still you need to make that catch.
meanwhile...  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 4:55 pm : link
..Heineke throws behind his receiver, who makes a one arm catch and breaks free for a TD on third down.

That's why we didn't win yesterday.

Handful of plays you make or don't make.
nitpicking is what coaches will do in film review  
JonC : 12/5/2022 4:56 pm : link
plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.
RE: nitpicking is what coaches will do in film review  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15934795 JonC said:
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.


LOL, ok.

Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
RE: meanwhile...  
BillKo : 12/5/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15934794 BillKo said:
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..Heineke throws behind his receiver, who makes a one arm catch and breaks free for a TD on third down.

That's why we didn't win yesterday.

Handful of plays you make or don't make.


THIS is the slim margin.

Their guy makes a play, our guy does not.
RE: RE: nitpicking is what coaches will do in film review  
JonC : 12/5/2022 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15934796 BillKo said:
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.



LOL, ok.

Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.


Yes, and sometimes a 25 year old needs to be taught a few things in order to clean up their play for the next time. Leave no stone unturned.
RE: RE: meanwhile...  
RCPhoenix : 12/5/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15934800 BillKo said:
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..Heineke throws behind his receiver, who makes a one arm catch and breaks free for a TD on third down.

That's why we didn't win yesterday.

Handful of plays you make or don't make.



THIS is the slim margin.

Their guy makes a play, our guy does not.


There is a massive talent difference at WR between Washington and the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15934766 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15934627 bw in dc said:



If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.




What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.



It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.

But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.


A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I now am 100% all in on us getting OBJ  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 5:13 pm : link
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.

I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.

If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15934806 giantBCP said:
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A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.


I don't know. To me, it looks like Slayton is running a seam route in between Hodgins and James, who are running dual crossing routes, to create space for Slayton behind them.

And once Slayton is open in that space the ball should come out just a little bit sooner.

Look, it was a missed opportunity. I'm just not sold the play failed solely because of Slayton.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2022 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15934766 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15934627 bw in dc said:



If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.




What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.



It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.

But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.


Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
RE: I now am 100% all in on us getting OBJ  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15934817 5BowlsSoon said:
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If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.

I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.

If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.


Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
 
ryanmkeane : 12/5/2022 5:31 pm : link
Gotta make the catch. Oh well. Wasn’t the reason we tied but ya simply have to make the play.
 
ryanmkeane : 12/5/2022 5:32 pm : link
Man I’ve watched this about 20 times and if Slayton just keeps running straight it’s a TD. I think he adjusts because he heard the footsteps. It would have been close but the defender is still 2-3 yards away if he catches that in stride. It’s a touchdown.
RE: where are all the Jones critics that were  
HomerJones45 : 12/5/2022 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15934589 JerrysKids said:
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown

If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.

Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
This thread should be archived  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 5:36 pm : link
whenever certain group of posters claim to not have an agenda with DJ. Anyone who does not put 99 percent of the blame on Slayton is clearly looking at this play through agenda driven lenses. It's just that clear.
RE: RE: RE: nitpicking is what coaches will do in film review  
joe48 : 12/5/2022 5:44 pm : link
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.



LOL, ok.

Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.



Yes, and sometimes a 25 year old needs to be taught a few things in order to clean up their play for the next time. Leave no stone unturned.

The goal posts are on wheels here for sure!
RE: RE: where are all the Jones critics that were  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 5:46 pm : link
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.

It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown

If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.

Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.


Knows so little...types so much.
RE: RE: I now am 100% all in on us getting OBJ  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15934833 Thunderstruck27 said:
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If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.

I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.

If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.



Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.


I’d even take FAITH HILL!
Slayton should have caught it  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 5:58 pm : link
But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
RE: Slayton should have caught it  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15934868 ajr2456 said:
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But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.


You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15934830 UConn4523 said:
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It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.

But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.



Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?


With a better throw, yes. ;)

Would love a coaches take on that  
thefan : 12/5/2022 6:06 pm : link
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15934876 bw in dc said:
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It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.

But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.



Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?



With a better throw, yes. ;)


He probably would have still dropped it.
RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15934877 thefan said:
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.


I have a hard time imagining Slayton having the ball skills to track a ball over his left shoulder when he’s already looking over his right shoulder. He might have hit 720 degrees of rotation before the jump if that was the case.
RE: RE: Slayton should have caught it  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 6:14 pm : link
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But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.



You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.


You know guys don’t just run straight down 80 yards to the end zone right? The ball was thrown to the 40. Slayton grabs it at the 42. He had to slow down no matter what, but he had two more steps he could have taken. He wasn’t catching that ball in stride.
I look at that and think  
Daniel in MI : 12/5/2022 6:19 pm : link
About the Thanksgiving game and the catches the ‘Boys WRs made for Dak: I side, outside, 1 hand contested catches.

We have a guy get both hands on it (even if he should have run under it or mis-jumped) and still drop it.
What’s missed in all of this  
giantBCP : 12/5/2022 6:21 pm : link
is that he actually caught the ball and had complete control over it and then dropped it. He actually caught it cleaner than the TD in Jacksonville that should have been ruled incomplete.
Look at the trajectory of the ball  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 6:23 pm : link
And slaytona initial route. If he kept running it would have hit him in stride with any proper adjustment.
Best view - ( New Window )
Disregard that link  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 6:25 pm : link
No idea why it went to the Barkley TD
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Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 6:27 pm : link
Here
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call it how ever you want --  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/5/2022 6:30 pm : link
wide open receiver -- the QB missed him or had no idea where he would be -- also possibly Slayton believed Jones couldn't hit him to far out based on experience.
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
section125 : 12/5/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.


You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
RE: What’s missed in all of this  
section125 : 12/5/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15934901 giantBCP said:
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is that he actually caught the ball and had complete control over it and then dropped it. He actually caught it cleaner than the TD in Jacksonville that should have been ruled incomplete.


100% correct. Two full hands wrapped around the ball.
RE: call it how ever you want --  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15934910 gidiefor said:
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wide open receiver -- the QB missed him or had no idea where he would be -- also possibly Slayton believed Jones couldn't hit him to far out based on experience.


You've got it so backwards
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RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 6:45 pm : link
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.


I studied the video and I think the reason the play wasn't executed was Jones might have been late with his delivery. Which may have caused Slayton to slow down expecting the throw earlier. And once that occurs, the chances for error increase.

Furthermore, a closer look at the play, you can see Jones having to deal with a DT pressuring him up the middle. And that could have caused the throw to also be off.

Of course, that would require close inspection of the play.

So, there is no "partisan" reaction. It's a key play that I find interesting to study.
clearly a catchable ball  
dancing blue bear : 12/5/2022 6:56 pm : link
this is what you get with slayton, tho. he made some great plays, and then he will drop one. he's the best we have right now so you gotta live with it. we had other chances to win the game on O,D,& ST. 24 hours later... with replays, all 22, and analysis - Those out there dying on the hill that this was a bad throw or not catchable are dubious at best. Either not knowing what they are looking at, or too emotionally fragile to put down the agenda for a moment.
RE: Jones is a tick late with the throw  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 7:00 pm : link
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and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.


Hey that's what I said 🙂
RE: RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:02 pm : link
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.



I studied the video and I think the reason the play wasn't executed was Jones might have been late with his delivery. Which may have caused Slayton to slow down expecting the throw earlier. And once that occurs, the chances for error increase.

Furthermore, a closer look at the play, you can see Jones having to deal with a DT pressuring him up the middle. And that could have caused the throw to also be off.

Of course, that would require close inspection of the play.

So, there is no "partisan" reaction. It's a key play that I find interesting to study.


Nonsense. The ball was in both hands. No excuses. He plain and simply dropped the ball. It was not even that hard of a catch for a professional WR. Even "mistiming" the jump the ball was in both hands and he bobbled and lost it as he came down.
I don't give a crap about Jones timing being off. Slayton had two hands on the ball - wrapped up - and then just lost it. If you will not admit that Slayton should have held that ball, then you are spinning a tale. Had he kept running it was very likely a TD.

I do not know what close review you needed. I attached the video of the play. Whatever Jones needed to do, he did and the ball was there for the reception - the ball was simply dropped. There is no other conclusion.
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RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15934877 thefan said:
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.


Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:19 pm : link
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.



Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.


Was he open? Yes

Did the ball get there? Yes

Did Slayton have two hands on the ball? Yes

Was it a perfect play? No

Did you watch Cincy and KC yesterday? If so, you saw several balls imperfectly thrown by better QBs and yet caught by their WRs.

There is simply no excuse for Slayton dropping that ball. It does not matter who was in Jones face when he threw it. It does not matter if you think they misread the defense. It only matters that the WR beat the coverage and had both hands wrapped around the ball and then failed o hold on to it.
RE: RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
BigBlue7 : 12/5/2022 7:23 pm : link
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.



Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.



Was he open? Yes

Did the ball get there? Yes

Did Slayton have two hands on the ball? Yes

Was it a perfect play? No

Did you watch Cincy and KC yesterday? If so, you saw several balls imperfectly thrown by better QBs and yet caught by their WRs.

There is simply no excuse for Slayton dropping that ball. It does not matter who was in Jones face when he threw it. It does not matter if you think they misread the defense. It only matters that the WR beat the coverage and had both hands wrapped around the ball and then failed o hold on to it.


Yes. Beacause when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they only care about the result of the play and not the process.
RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
g56blue10 : 12/5/2022 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.



You are out of control sometimes when it comes to Jones.Slayton’s clearly slowed down for no reason and than proceeded to stop a very catchable ball
RE: RE: RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:29 pm : link
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Yes. Beacause when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they only care about the result of the play and not the process.


WTF are you talking about? This is not rocket science. Mahomes runs around for 20 seconds, throws some haphazard
sidearm pass to a WR and gets 30 yard completion. You think Andy Reid gives a shit about the "process?"

Are you disputing that Slayton should have completed the reception? Who gives a shit if he ate a sandwich while running the route? He did not catch a ball that was in both hands halfway to the ground.

when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they  
dancing blue bear : 12/5/2022 7:32 pm : link
also know what the actual play call was, what the progression was, what the read was, and they actually have a good idea what the defense was. they don't just pluck it from their anus and call it a day.

I've seen the replay 3 times  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 7:39 pm : link
And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
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christian : 12/5/2022 7:44 pm : link
I'm fine saying Slayton should catch it, because he's bailed Jones out of worse throws. But it's clear as day Slayton was expecting that ball earlier and on his inside shoulder. Kind of like this one.
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The pass is late.  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 7:44 pm : link
Slayton was wide open at the 50. If the ball arrives on time, it’s an easy completion.

I’m not claiming this is a timing route. Slayton was open. Good QBs see that he is getting open as it happens and zip the ball to him.

This play in a nutshell is why I want to see Jones in another uniform.
The pass wasn't THAT much of a gimme  
MeanBunny : 12/5/2022 7:45 pm : link
Does anyone really know except Jones and Slay and Kafka where that ball should have been thrown to? Seems like Jones took a little too much time too. Takes 2 to tango
RE: I've seen the replay 3 times  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:47 pm : link
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And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.


Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
This  
g56blue10 : 12/5/2022 7:48 pm : link
Is becoming pathetic and embarrassing. Are we really debating who is more to blame here. This over the top of blaming Jones for everything is out of control. You all have a problem, seriously. He dropping the freaking ball. If he doesn’t hesitate and is looking over his left shoulder away from the safety he probably scores a TD. This is freaking insanity
The pass blocking was pretty good.  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 7:49 pm : link
The problem is Jones sitting there holding the ball making extra double super triple sure Slayton is open. If Jones had released the ball quickly, our much maligned interior OL would have done its job footprint once.
RE: RE: I've seen the replay 3 times  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 7:51 pm : link
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And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.



Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.


I've always had the if you're a professional receiver and you get two hands on a ball, then it should be a catch. Slayton should of caught the ball, no doubt. But to blame Slayton for that not being a walk in Touchdown is incorrect. The throw was behind him, and an adjustment had to be made.
RE: RE: RE: I've seen the replay 3 times  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2022 7:52 pm : link
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And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.



Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.



I've always had the if you're a professional receiver and you get two hands on a ball, then it should be a catch. Slayton should of caught the ball, no doubt. But to blame Slayton for that not being a walk in Touchdown is incorrect. The throw was behind him, and an adjustment had to be made.


I've always had the belief.
RE: The pass blocking was pretty good.  
section125 : 12/5/2022 7:54 pm : link
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The problem is Jones sitting there holding the ball making extra double super triple sure Slayton is open. If Jones had released the ball quickly, our much maligned interior OL would have done its job footprint once.


Did Slayton have both hands in his hands? Simple yes or no.

Yes a better throw is probably a TD. Does that matter? If Slayton holds on to that pass, the still win.
Yes, Slayton should have made what was a pretty difficult catch  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 7:58 pm : link
But he was only in that position because Jones hesitated when a simple pitch and catch to a wide open Slayton was available earlier.

In the NFL, receivers are open only for fractions of seconds. Timing is everything.
RE: The pass blocking was pretty good.  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15935028 cosmicj said:
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The problem is Jones sitting there holding the ball making extra double super triple sure Slayton is open. If Jones had released the ball quickly, our much maligned interior OL would have done its job footprint once.


I've said the same thing - Jones was a fraction late. That is why Slayton slows down. I think he was expecting the ball earlier.

Meanwhile, look closer at the action in the pocket. Jones is getting some disruption from over the LG and I think that may have caused the ball to sail high as well.
I don’t think there’s any play design ambiguity here either,  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 8:02 pm : link
Although there often is in such plays. The grouping of 3 WRs suggests that Slayton, in the middle, was the #1 target. He is open in the middle of the field directly in front of Jones. Jones doesn’t throw it on time.
That's on Slaton no question  
JerseyCityJoe : 12/5/2022 8:03 pm : link
Uncontested catch he has to make.
RE: Yes, Slayton should have made what was a pretty catch  
dancing blue bear : 12/5/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15935038 cosmicj said:
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But he was in position


thank you.
Bw  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 8:04 pm : link
I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.
RE: I don’t think there’s any play design ambiguity here either,  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15935044 cosmicj said:
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Although there often is in such plays. The grouping of 3 WRs suggests that Slayton, in the middle, was the #1 target. He is open in the middle of the field directly in front of Jones. Jones doesn’t throw it on time.


It's a good route concept. James and Hodgins ran dual crosses and that created space for Slayton to run the seam.

And Slayton is open early (at our 40) because the deep safety - Forrest (#22) - peaks on James on his cross. You can see Forrest have to flip all the way around and start running to a spot.
RE: Yes, Slayton should have made what was a pretty difficult catch  
section125 : 12/5/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15935038 cosmicj said:
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But he was only in that position because Jones hesitated when a simple pitch and catch to a wide open Slayton was available earlier.

In the NFL, receivers are open only for fractions of seconds. Timing is everything.


Was he able to get both hands on the ball?

Ok, it was a split second late. Ok it was not a perfect pass.

Simple question, without further qualifications, should that ball have been caught? That is all that matters in this case. Should that pass have been caught?

My guess is that all NFL coaches(and college coaches) would say that this particular pass should have been caught.
RE: Bw  
Bill in UT : 12/5/2022 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15935048 cosmicj said:
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I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.


Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught
90% of the time  
Bill in UT : 12/5/2022 8:19 pm : link
the opposition makes that catch against us
THe idea that Slayton slowed down  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 8:34 pm : link
because he was expecting DJ to have thrown the ball already is just wrong. Rewatch the video. Slayton first turns around at the six second mark when he is at the 41 . At that point, DJ is looking right at him and loading up to throw.

He then starts to slow down at the 45 but DJ has already released the ball by then.

There is no chance that Slayton slowed down because he didn't think DJ was going to throw him the ball.
start the season 3rd string player....  
BCD : 12/5/2022 8:36 pm : link
today still 3rd string player....3rd string player tomorrow....3rd string player forever...(George Wallace)
RE: 90% of the time  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15935060 Bill in UT said:
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the opposition makes that catch against us


Thankfully Wes Welker was in the 10% in SB46... ;)
For those pining after OBJ ....  
Manny in CA : 12/5/2022 8:45 pm : link

Remember Odell's drops in the play-off loss to the Packers ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6hnjN1H7k

Everybody has bad days.
I had the 46 yard line  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2022 9:19 pm : link
when the ball was released. It is the WR's responsibility at that point to adjust. Looking at it after the first time it was actually a really good ball. Slayton may have glanced at the safety and lost it for a split second.

You are basing you movement adjusting to it. The turn at the end was he recognized he was off too late imv. It should have been a very gradual slide to the outside and he catches it close to in stride. Perhaps someone (pro WR) will give his thoughts from a network and someone can post that to see how they saw it.
You guys..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2022 9:31 pm : link
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.

If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.

If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.

Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.

They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.

RE: RE: Bw  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15935059 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15935048 cosmicj said:


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I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.



Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught


Yes, and the ball should have been delivered earlier and more accurately.
Ball should have been caught  
rocco8112 : 12/5/2022 9:37 pm : link
.
That All-22 video is like a, what do they call it?  
Del Shofner : 12/5/2022 9:41 pm : link
A Roschach test? (The inkblot thing.) It's fascinating to read all the different reactions.
RE: You guys..  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15935116 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.

If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.

If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.

Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.

They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.


And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
Slayton is wide open when he reaches the 50.  
cosmicj : 12/5/2022 9:47 pm : link
Wide open. Why isn’t the ball there when he is?
RE: RE: You guys..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15935128 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15935116 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.

If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.

If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.

Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.

They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.




And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.


LOL. And yet your ignorant ass will claim you don't post hundred of times a week about Jones. You're far past a hundred and it is only Monday.

What's the next move - claiming you are being "attacked"?? It was better in the old days when you posted RESEARCH that was neither research nor accurate. A fraud for some time now.

C'mon - deny that you don't post hundreds of times a week about Jones - that would be cute as hell, Chief.
RE: That All-22 video is like a, what do they call it?  
dancing blue bear : 12/5/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15935123 Del Shofner said:
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A Roschach test? (The inkblot thing.) It's fascinating to read all the different reactions.


This is so true. I’ve been thinking this for weeks (on other issues)

People see what they want to see
RE: RE: RE: Bw  
Bill in UT : 12/5/2022 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15935120 cosmicj said:
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In comment 15935059 Bill in UT said:


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In comment 15935048 cosmicj said:


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I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.



Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught



Yes, and the ball should have been delivered earlier and more accurately.


The ball could have been delivered a week from Tuesday for all I care. He had it in both hands. He should have held it
Again more made up bullshit from the fat man.  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 10:07 pm : link
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.

It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
RE: Again more made up bullshit from the fat man.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15935154 ajr2456 said:
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I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.

It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.


Look at the other Slayton thread - you're all over it. Don't talk to me about health when you spend most of your week talking about Jones and doing whatever the fuck you can to say he shouldn't be the QB here.

Is that healthy or productive?? Again - are you going to say you don't post hundreds of times a week?? Please tell me you aren't that fucking clueless?
RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
Now Mike in MD : 12/5/2022 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15934974 BigBlue7 said:
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In comment 15934877 thefan said:


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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.



Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.


Jones did throw to his outside shoulder. That's why slayton got twisted when he jumped
OK, football scholars ....  
Manny in CA : 12/5/2022 10:19 pm : link

Critique these drops by HOF Jerry Rice -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18yQ2ndyjI
In the other Slayton  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 10:22 pm : link
Thread my only comments involving Daniel Jones is when giantstock and others accused posters of not being sincere about their opinion about Slayton and that the compliments were digs at Jones. I didn’t start that conversation so try again fuck face. Continue to make shit up, it’s becoming psychopathic at this point.

You seem to not like what people discuss on this board so instead of bitching about it every single time you come on here, why not just not come on here instead of trying to police the board?
RE: Again more made up bullshit from the fat man.  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15935154 ajr2456 said:
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I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.

It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.


It always disappoints me to disappoint the FMiC.

There is obviously deep pain from the departure of David Gettleman. And that manifests in all of the vitriol and rancor pouring out of the FMiC.

But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.

If it makes him less angry  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2022 10:25 pm : link
I’ll chip in for a hooker for him. What’s his type? Skinny and blonde? Or built like Mrs. Doubtfire?
Perhaps when Gettleman gets his next GM job  
Jerry in_DC : 12/5/2022 10:33 pm : link
Fatman will follow his hero to his new team. And a whole new fan base can be exposed to his psychopathic vitriol...and they will learn that they are a bunch of fuckface cunt morons...just like us
RE: If it makes him less angry  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15935177 ajr2456 said:
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I’ll chip in for a hooker for him. What’s his type? Skinny and blonde? Or built like Mrs. Doubtfire?


Let's give it some more time. It's been a very challenging year for the FMiC with Gettleman, EditGate, his podcast, getting TKO'd by Googs, etc.
...  
christian : 12/5/2022 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15935176 bw in dc said:
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But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.


After all these years, after all the anger, after the incredible commitment to being wrong -- it's sad the eminently forgettable Daniel Jones -- is the hill our sweaty big friend is breaking down and dying on.
RE: Perhaps when Gettleman gets his next GM job  
bw in dc : 12/5/2022 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15935182 Jerry in_DC said:
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Fatman will follow his hero to his new team. And a whole new fan base can be exposed to his psychopathic vitriol...and they will learn that they are a bunch of fuckface cunt morons...just like us


And let's not forget obtuse and ponderous.
RE: OK, football scholars ....  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2022 12:27 am : link
In comment 15935169 Manny in CA said:
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Critique these drops by HOF Jerry Rice -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18yQ2ndyjI


I'm sold. Slayton is the second coming of the GOAT
Without Slayton this offense would be averaging about 60 yards a game  
sharp315 : 12/6/2022 8:00 am : link
I understand he has drops. He also has the only meaningful receptions in the past 5 or 6 games.
Slayton was a 1000 yard wr in high school  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2022 8:08 am : link
And a state sprint champion, of course he’s good!
RE: Without Slayton this offense would be averaging about 60 yards a game  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/6/2022 8:22 am : link
In comment 15935318 sharp315 said:
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I understand he has drops. He also has the only meaningful receptions in the past 5 or 6 games.


He has limitations but he has really helped a lot this year as well. I give him credit. He was pretty much passed over by the league and has found a way to may some good contributions and trying to fit in a role with expectations he is not made for.
I like Slayton a lot. Seemed like a really good guy  
Andy in Halifax : 12/6/2022 8:27 am : link
and he's a decent NFL receiver. He's extremely fast, but his hands aren't great. He should have ran through that ball, Jones put it far enough away from the middle safety and in a great spot but its a deep ball at game speed. It's not an 'easy' play, but a play a #1 receiver would make. He almost did.

The safety was deep middle.  
Andy in Halifax : 12/6/2022 8:33 am : link
Jones threw it to the proper place. It would have been completed had he thrown it to the inside shoulder but only because the safety ran took a very odd route to the ball. Can he not open up to the right lol? With a middle safety I think that ball is thrown exactly where it should have been thrown.
Some of you really are out to get Jones  
Andy in Halifax : 12/6/2022 8:42 am : link
Some of these comments are out to lunch. As soon as the safety opens his hips to the middle Jones throws the ball. THAT's when Slayton really gets open. Great concept imo.

But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
I have my own theories about why certain posters  
cosmicj : 12/6/2022 8:50 am : link
Defend Jones at all costs, but still formulating them.
I miss talking about "The Catch"  
Dnew15 : 12/6/2022 8:51 am : link
rather than "The Drop"
Andy  
cosmicj : 12/6/2022 8:53 am : link
Slayton is wide open at the 50. Why isn’t the ball there to meet him?

I’m always interested in learning something so tell me what safety was breaking their hips and when. The DB who looks to have coverage responsibility for Slayton is running with his back turned to Slayton when he is open.
No denying the following Slayton WR skills  
Rick in Dallas : 12/6/2022 8:58 am : link
Terrible hands
Terrible ball skills
Below average body control

All comments Sy has consistently made in his game reviews when describing Slayton’s game performance.

Yet he’s our number 1 WR target and I am not a Jones defender
We are talking about Slayton on this thread
Hard to see numbers on that video  
Andy in Halifax : 12/6/2022 9:08 am : link
At the 3 second mark the deep middle safety opens his hips away from Slayton, I think its the strong safety #22 but hard to tell. I am assuming he's peeking at James, maybe Jones' eyes were there or he just made a bad read.

At the same time the corner dropping deep to that side (where the ball was thrown) picks up Hodgins leaving that deep side of the field and moves across the 40.

Had Jones been throwing the ball by that time its likely one of the two DBs fail to make the move they made. That's all at the 3 second mark of that video.

By the 4 second mark Jones has released that ball. All Slayton had to do was run under it.

For the record, I am in the "jury still out" camp on Jones. At this point I would not be offering him a big contract though I admit my opinion has softened a bit on him this season. I was not a fan coming into the year thought we should be looking to move on.
RE: Some of you really are out to get Jones  
bw in dc : 12/6/2022 9:12 am : link
In comment 15935358 Andy in Halifax said:
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Some of these comments are out to lunch. As soon as the safety opens his hips to the middle Jones throws the ball. THAT's when Slayton really gets open. Great concept imo.

But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.


The safety is peaking in on James, who is running a cross.

Once he realizes Slayton is unaccounted for, he has to flip his hips the other way, and starts running to the spot where Slayton is going to be.

IMV, if the ball from Jones is thrown just a little sooner the play is probably going to be successful.
I love the play design btw.  
Andy in Halifax : 12/6/2022 9:12 am : link
Hope we do it again this year.
RE: That All-22 video is like a, what do they call it?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/6/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15935123 Del Shofner said:
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A Roschach test? (The inkblot thing.) It's fascinating to read all the different reactions.


I was thinking Kurosowa and Rashomon. All have their "truths" about what happened. Ultimately it revolves around themselves.
RE: RE: Jones is a tick late with the throw  
JonC : 12/6/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15934960 BigBlue7 said:
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In comment 15934781 JonC said:


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and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.



Hey that's what I said 🙂


Then you would be correct! Funny thread, obvious who never played football before.
Slayton has been double-clutching receptions since he  
chick310 : 12/6/2022 9:40 am : link
became a NY Giant. Even ones he pulls in he almost always "double-catches" so if anybody is surprised he dropped this then you just aren't watching.

And of course the pass was late and thrown to wrong side. But that shouldn't be a surprise either.

The ball still should have been hauled in but this is an example of why teams aren't overly concerned about the passing game of the NY Giants, from both a passing and receiving perspective. They suck at it.
RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
JonC : 12/6/2022 9:48 am : link
In comment 15934974 BigBlue7 said:
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In comment 15934877 thefan said:


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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.



Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.


Blue7 is very likely correct.
RE: RE: Confirms my view from yesterday...  
giantstock : 12/6/2022 9:53 am : link
In comment 15934911 section125 said:
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In comment 15934577 bw in dc said:


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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.




You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.


I'm the same way too. I lean toward saying goodbye to Jones. And we have posters like BW. SO petty that he feels a need to just keep posting bullshit.

His latest attempts here to keep trying to build up Slayton is so laughable.
RE: RE: You guys..  
giantstock : 12/6/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15935128 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15935116 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.

If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.

If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.

Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.

They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.




And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.


You should talk?

With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO

And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.

The ball should've been caught.
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ChrisRick : 12/6/2022 10:04 am : link
looks like washington dropped the coverage. From my view, Slayton ran a poor route. He ran towards the only defender left. Jones throws away from the defender. A throw closer to the sideline would have been ideal in regard to the quarterbacks job. However, Slayton positioned himself so close to the defender that a throw farther to the outside makes it impossible for Slayton to even get a hand on.

I'm speaking as a layman here, but from my view; this is mostly on Slayton. He did not seek the open area of the field, still got his hands on it and failed to make the catch.
The ball should have been caught  
BigBlue7 : 12/6/2022 10:10 am : link
AND

Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety

AND

Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier



All things can be true

This isn't a fucking binary game
yeah, I'm in the camp that no one did well on that play  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2022 10:17 am : link
Slayton's got to hang on to that ball. I've been harping about his hands back to when he was a BBI darling rather than whipping boy, and at this point it's clear that he's never going to have reliable hands.

The throw was acceptably good, I guess, but I wouldn't call it "well-thrown". No, that doesn't excuse Slayton for dropping it.
Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why  
mittenedman : 12/6/2022 10:22 am : link
Slayton almost didn't make the team, had to take a paycut from an already modest salary and drew little interest on the trade market.

He has no instincts. He doesn't track the ball well. He has bad hands. He's light as a feather and gets blown around the field - almost zero play strength. And he does not make the tough, contested catch.

Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
RE: RE: RE: You guys..  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15935445 giantstock said:
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You should talk?

With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO

And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.

The ball should've been caught.


Still talking about a post from weeks ago where Jones made a bad throw. Obsessive, borderline psychopathic. You’re like fat man’s less literate twin brother.
RE: The ball should have been caught  
ChrisRick : 12/6/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15935454 BigBlue7 said:
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Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety

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Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier



All things can be true

This isn't a fucking binary game


Is that in reply to my post?
RE: Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2022 10:31 am : link
In comment 15935465 mittenedman said:
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And he does not make the tough, contested catch.

Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.


He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
RE: The ball should have been caught  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15935454 BigBlue7 said:
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Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety

AND

Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier



All things can be true

This isn't a fucking binary game


Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.

These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
RE: RE: The ball should have been caught  
chick310 : 12/6/2022 10:57 am : link
In comment 15935499 Jerry in_DC said:
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In comment 15935454 BigBlue7 said:


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AND

Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety

AND

Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier



All things can be true

This isn't a fucking binary game



Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.

These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)


Spot on
RE: RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
Now Mike in MD : 12/6/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15935421 JonC said:
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.



Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.



Blue7 is very likely correct.


JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
RE: RE: The ball should have been caught  
bw in dc : 12/6/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15935499 Jerry in_DC said:
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A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)


I know this is a complete aside, but when was the last time you saw a drop like Boyd had? That was unbelievable.

Now that is a play to assign 100% blame to the WR... ;)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Would love a coaches take on that  
JonC : 12/6/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15935755 Now Mike in MD said:
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In comment 15935421 JonC said:


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In comment 15934974 BigBlue7 said:


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In comment 15934877 thefan said:


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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.



Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.

Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.

The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).

Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.

It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong

But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.



Blue7 is very likely correct.



JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.


The throw should aim for the back corner of the endzone within ten yards of the boundary. That's what is typically coached. But, because Slayton was incorrectly turned and drifting to the inside, Jones had to try and lead him outside away from the safety. This eliminated where Jones should have been aiming the pass.
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JonC : 12/6/2022 1:46 pm : link
Slayton ran a lazy route and turned to the wrong shoulder. Given that and he wasn't running full tilt suggests he got the pre-snap read wrong, and then he didn't react to the safety who pulled off and went into trail technique behind him from centerfield. Basically, Slayton didn't expect the pass based off pre-snap keys, and Wash was disguising their coverage. You could see Jones suddenly realize the coverage and spot Slayton wide open, he just wasn't in the right spot for the optimal pass to be thrown to him. Finally, he doesn't secure the ball before contacting the ground.
RE: RE: Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why  
speedywheels : 12/6/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15935472 ajr2456 said:
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And he does not make the tough, contested catch.

Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.



He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.


Slayton dropped a pass that he had both hands on, and no defender within a couple of yards of him so he didn't have to worry about getting popped as he was making the catch. Yes he had to extend himself a bit, but an NFL caliber receiver HAS to catch that ball. Period.
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