I know he caught one earlier in the game, but these over the shoulder "track the ball" situations aren't something he's good at, which is a shame because he gets open.
Jones was putting him in a good spot to make the catch. He would have to comment on it but I think he was protecting Slayton to be able to make the catch imv.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
LOL, of course you ding Jones on that play.
An NFL caliber receiver absolutely HAS to catch that ball. The only reason why Slayton had to extend was because he inexplicably stopped running and decided jumping instead was a good idea. He keeps running - like he's supposed to - and it's an easy TD.
That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.
almost thinking that he's going to sit the route and Jones will hit him there. As others have said, if he keeps going, that's an easy catch and most likely a TD.
is because he slows down around the 50 and has no other choice at that point. He wasn’t overthrown by any stretch of the imagination. With his speed, he would have walked it in for a touchdown if he catches it in stride.
That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.
Jones thought they were in cover 3 and didn't realize they were in cover 1 post snap. He needs to throw the ball away from the deep safety there once he sees the corner run with the crosser
it was a 40 yard throw - cant be that precise or perfect. The receiver has to adjust and is expected to. It was such a dart that made it into a bang bang reaction, which he misplayed. Much easier to critique in hindsight.
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That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.
Jones thought they were in cover 3 and didn't realize they were in cover 1 post snap. He needs to throw the ball away from the deep safety there once he sees the corner run with the crosser
He didn't see it
And Slayton ran a lazy route. He knew the corner wasn't going going deep so Slayton needed to bend that route to the outside, away from the safety in the middle of the field.
I thought live he should have kept running, but I think after viewing the video he got scared that the safety was going to cut it off, so he broke his route a bit early and then mistimed the jump. Something bothered Slayton because he should have kept running.
But Slayton shouldn’t have kept running. If he keeps running that ball isn’t coming over his shoulder into his arms, you can tell by the trajectory. Maybe he could have taken another step or two but it’s also in the heat of the moment with a defender coming across to break up the play.
saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
You might be surprised at this, but even objectively bad QBs make very good throws sometimes.
I think Taylor Heinicke stinks, but his 4th down conversion late in the game yesterday was the difference between a Giants' W and what ended up being the result. It was a terrific play he made out of a disaster.
throwing that ball is going to be more up and over (to the left) allowing the receiver to run with it.
Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..
If it was Eli Manning, the ball would have been a little higher and Slayton would have reeled it in with 1 hand and outran the Safety for a TD. Of course, in that scenario Slayton is a young OBJ.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Slayton slowed down after about 15 to 20 yards. Have no idea why, except maybe things like that are why he almost didn't make the team in the first place.
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
They showed a stat yesterday about Slayton's drops
and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass.
but I understand why he might have slowed down. Maybe he attempted to come back towards the QB when he saw the pass coming his way. At that point he had no choice but to jump for the ball. On deep routes we often criticize the WR for not coming back to help the QB who might be under duress. It's understandable why Slayton slowed down, but he should have caught that.
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
If he doesn't slow down at the 50 that ball is not high...
Ball is out with Slayton at the Giants 46. You are looking at just over 15 yards to adjust to the ball and adjust which is more than enough time and it does seem he shades inwards. The more I look the more I put on Slayton and even still you need to make that catch.
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
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A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I don't know. To me, it looks like Slayton is running a seam route in between Hodgins and James, who are running dual crossing routes, to create space for Slayton behind them.
And once Slayton is open in that space the ball should come out just a little bit sooner.
Look, it was a missed opportunity. I'm just not sold the play failed solely because of Slayton.
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If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
Man I’ve watched this about 20 times and if Slayton just keeps running straight it’s a TD. I think he adjusts because he heard the footsteps. It would have been close but the defender is still 2-3 yards away if he catches that in stride. It’s a touchdown.
saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
whenever certain group of posters claim to not have an agenda with DJ. Anyone who does not put 99 percent of the blame on Slayton is clearly looking at this play through agenda driven lenses. It's just that clear.
RE: RE: RE: nitpicking is what coaches will do in film review
saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
I have a hard time imagining Slayton having the ball skills to track a ball over his left shoulder when he’s already looking over his right shoulder. He might have hit 720 degrees of rotation before the jump if that was the case.
But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
You know guys don’t just run straight down 80 yards to the end zone right? The ball was thrown to the 40. Slayton grabs it at the 42. He had to slow down no matter what, but he had two more steps he could have taken. He wasn’t catching that ball in stride.
is that he actually caught the ball and had complete control over it and then dropped it. He actually caught it cleaner than the TD in Jacksonville that should have been ruled incomplete.
wide open receiver -- the QB missed him or had no idea where he would be -- also possibly Slayton believed Jones couldn't hit him to far out based on experience.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
is that he actually caught the ball and had complete control over it and then dropped it. He actually caught it cleaner than the TD in Jacksonville that should have been ruled incomplete.
100% correct. Two full hands wrapped around the ball.
wide open receiver -- the QB missed him or had no idea where he would be -- also possibly Slayton believed Jones couldn't hit him to far out based on experience.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I studied the video and I think the reason the play wasn't executed was Jones might have been late with his delivery. Which may have caused Slayton to slow down expecting the throw earlier. And once that occurs, the chances for error increase.
Furthermore, a closer look at the play, you can see Jones having to deal with a DT pressuring him up the middle. And that could have caused the throw to also be off.
Of course, that would require close inspection of the play.
So, there is no "partisan" reaction. It's a key play that I find interesting to study.
this is what you get with slayton, tho. he made some great plays, and then he will drop one. he's the best we have right now so you gotta live with it. we had other chances to win the game on O,D,& ST. 24 hours later... with replays, all 22, and analysis - Those out there dying on the hill that this was a bad throw or not catchable are dubious at best. Either not knowing what they are looking at, or too emotionally fragile to put down the agenda for a moment.
and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I studied the video and I think the reason the play wasn't executed was Jones might have been late with his delivery. Which may have caused Slayton to slow down expecting the throw earlier. And once that occurs, the chances for error increase.
Furthermore, a closer look at the play, you can see Jones having to deal with a DT pressuring him up the middle. And that could have caused the throw to also be off.
Of course, that would require close inspection of the play.
So, there is no "partisan" reaction. It's a key play that I find interesting to study.
Nonsense. The ball was in both hands. No excuses. He plain and simply dropped the ball. It was not even that hard of a catch for a professional WR. Even "mistiming" the jump the ball was in both hands and he bobbled and lost it as he came down.
I don't give a crap about Jones timing being off. Slayton had two hands on the ball - wrapped up - and then just lost it. If you will not admit that Slayton should have held that ball, then you are spinning a tale. Had he kept running it was very likely a TD.
I do not know what close review you needed. I attached the video of the play. Whatever Jones needed to do, he did and the ball was there for the reception - the ball was simply dropped. There is no other conclusion. Slayton dropping the ball - ( New Window )
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Was he open? Yes
Did the ball get there? Yes
Did Slayton have two hands on the ball? Yes
Was it a perfect play? No
Did you watch Cincy and KC yesterday? If so, you saw several balls imperfectly thrown by better QBs and yet caught by their WRs.
There is simply no excuse for Slayton dropping that ball. It does not matter who was in Jones face when he threw it. It does not matter if you think they misread the defense. It only matters that the WR beat the coverage and had both hands wrapped around the ball and then failed o hold on to it.
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Was he open? Yes
Did the ball get there? Yes
Did Slayton have two hands on the ball? Yes
Was it a perfect play? No
Did you watch Cincy and KC yesterday? If so, you saw several balls imperfectly thrown by better QBs and yet caught by their WRs.
There is simply no excuse for Slayton dropping that ball. It does not matter who was in Jones face when he threw it. It does not matter if you think they misread the defense. It only matters that the WR beat the coverage and had both hands wrapped around the ball and then failed o hold on to it.
Yes. Beacause when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they only care about the result of the play and not the process.
Yes. Beacause when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they only care about the result of the play and not the process.
WTF are you talking about? This is not rocket science. Mahomes runs around for 20 seconds, throws some haphazard
sidearm pass to a WR and gets 30 yard completion. You think Andy Reid gives a shit about the "process?"
Are you disputing that Slayton should have completed the reception? Who gives a shit if he ate a sandwich while running the route? He did not catch a ball that was in both hands halfway to the ground.
when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they
also know what the actual play call was, what the progression was, what the read was, and they actually have a good idea what the defense was. they don't just pluck it from their anus and call it a day.
And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
I'm fine saying Slayton should catch it, because he's bailed Jones out of worse throws. But it's clear as day Slayton was expecting that ball earlier and on his inside shoulder. Kind of like this one. Link - ( New Window )
Does anyone really know except Jones and Slay and Kafka where that ball should have been thrown to? Seems like Jones took a little too much time too. Takes 2 to tango
And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
Is becoming pathetic and embarrassing. Are we really debating who is more to blame here. This over the top of blaming Jones for everything is out of control. You all have a problem, seriously. He dropping the freaking ball. If he doesn’t hesitate and is looking over his left shoulder away from the safety he probably scores a TD. This is freaking insanity
The problem is Jones sitting there holding the ball making extra double super triple sure Slayton is open. If Jones had released the ball quickly, our much maligned interior OL would have done its job footprint once.
And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
I've always had the if you're a professional receiver and you get two hands on a ball, then it should be a catch. Slayton should of caught the ball, no doubt. But to blame Slayton for that not being a walk in Touchdown is incorrect. The throw was behind him, and an adjustment had to be made.
And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
I've always had the if you're a professional receiver and you get two hands on a ball, then it should be a catch. Slayton should of caught the ball, no doubt. But to blame Slayton for that not being a walk in Touchdown is incorrect. The throw was behind him, and an adjustment had to be made.
The problem is Jones sitting there holding the ball making extra double super triple sure Slayton is open. If Jones had released the ball quickly, our much maligned interior OL would have done its job footprint once.
Did Slayton have both hands in his hands? Simple yes or no.
Yes a better throw is probably a TD. Does that matter? If Slayton holds on to that pass, the still win.
Yes, Slayton should have made what was a pretty difficult catch
The problem is Jones sitting there holding the ball making extra double super triple sure Slayton is open. If Jones had released the ball quickly, our much maligned interior OL would have done its job footprint once.
I've said the same thing - Jones was a fraction late. That is why Slayton slows down. I think he was expecting the ball earlier.
Meanwhile, look closer at the action in the pocket. Jones is getting some disruption from over the LG and I think that may have caused the ball to sail high as well.
I don’t think there’s any play design ambiguity here either,
Although there often is in such plays. The grouping of 3 WRs suggests that Slayton, in the middle, was the #1 target. He is open in the middle of the field directly in front of Jones. Jones doesn’t throw it on time.
Although there often is in such plays. The grouping of 3 WRs suggests that Slayton, in the middle, was the #1 target. He is open in the middle of the field directly in front of Jones. Jones doesn’t throw it on time.
It's a good route concept. James and Hodgins ran dual crosses and that created space for Slayton to run the seam.
And Slayton is open early (at our 40) because the deep safety - Forrest (#22) - peaks on James on his cross. You can see Forrest have to flip all the way around and start running to a spot.
RE: Yes, Slayton should have made what was a pretty difficult catch
But he was only in that position because Jones hesitated when a simple pitch and catch to a wide open Slayton was available earlier.
In the NFL, receivers are open only for fractions of seconds. Timing is everything.
Was he able to get both hands on the ball?
Ok, it was a split second late. Ok it was not a perfect pass.
Simple question, without further qualifications, should that ball have been caught? That is all that matters in this case. Should that pass have been caught?
My guess is that all NFL coaches(and college coaches) would say that this particular pass should have been caught.
because he was expecting DJ to have thrown the ball already is just wrong. Rewatch the video. Slayton first turns around at the six second mark when he is at the 41 . At that point, DJ is looking right at him and loading up to throw.
He then starts to slow down at the 45 but DJ has already released the ball by then.
There is no chance that Slayton slowed down because he didn't think DJ was going to throw him the ball.
when the ball was released. It is the WR's responsibility at that point to adjust. Looking at it after the first time it was actually a really good ball. Slayton may have glanced at the safety and lost it for a split second.
You are basing you movement adjusting to it. The turn at the end was he recognized he was off too late imv. It should have been a very gradual slide to the outside and he catches it close to in stride. Perhaps someone (pro WR) will give his thoughts from a network and someone can post that to see how they saw it.
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
LOL. And yet your ignorant ass will claim you don't post hundred of times a week about Jones. You're far past a hundred and it is only Monday.
What's the next move - claiming you are being "attacked"?? It was better in the old days when you posted RESEARCH that was neither research nor accurate. A fraud for some time now.
C'mon - deny that you don't post hundreds of times a week about Jones - that would be cute as hell, Chief.
RE: That All-22 video is like a, what do they call it?
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
Look at the other Slayton thread - you're all over it. Don't talk to me about health when you spend most of your week talking about Jones and doing whatever the fuck you can to say he shouldn't be the QB here.
Is that healthy or productive?? Again - are you going to say you don't post hundreds of times a week?? Please tell me you aren't that fucking clueless?
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Jones did throw to his outside shoulder. That's why slayton got twisted when he jumped
Thread my only comments involving Daniel Jones is when giantstock and others accused posters of not being sincere about their opinion about Slayton and that the compliments were digs at Jones. I didn’t start that conversation so try again fuck face. Continue to make shit up, it’s becoming psychopathic at this point.
You seem to not like what people discuss on this board so instead of bitching about it every single time you come on here, why not just not come on here instead of trying to police the board?
I haven’t even mentioned Jones in this thread. I’ve posted 10x as much about Slayton and Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones, but just making up narratives that make you feel better.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
It always disappoints me to disappoint the FMiC.
There is obviously deep pain from the departure of David Gettleman. And that manifests in all of the vitriol and rancor pouring out of the FMiC.
But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.
Fatman will follow his hero to his new team. And a whole new fan base can be exposed to his psychopathic vitriol...and they will learn that they are a bunch of fuckface cunt morons...just like us
But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.
After all these years, after all the anger, after the incredible commitment to being wrong -- it's sad the eminently forgettable Daniel Jones -- is the hill our sweaty big friend is breaking down and dying on.
Fatman will follow his hero to his new team. And a whole new fan base can be exposed to his psychopathic vitriol...and they will learn that they are a bunch of fuckface cunt morons...just like us
I understand he has drops. He also has the only meaningful receptions in the past 5 or 6 games.
He has limitations but he has really helped a lot this year as well. I give him credit. He was pretty much passed over by the league and has found a way to may some good contributions and trying to fit in a role with expectations he is not made for.
I like Slayton a lot. Seemed like a really good guy
and he's a decent NFL receiver. He's extremely fast, but his hands aren't great. He should have ran through that ball, Jones put it far enough away from the middle safety and in a great spot but its a deep ball at game speed. It's not an 'easy' play, but a play a #1 receiver would make. He almost did.
Jones threw it to the proper place. It would have been completed had he thrown it to the inside shoulder but only because the safety ran took a very odd route to the ball. Can he not open up to the right lol? With a middle safety I think that ball is thrown exactly where it should have been thrown.
Some of these comments are out to lunch. As soon as the safety opens his hips to the middle Jones throws the ball. THAT's when Slayton really gets open. Great concept imo.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
Slayton is wide open at the 50. Why isn’t the ball there to meet him?
I’m always interested in learning something so tell me what safety was breaking their hips and when. The DB who looks to have coverage responsibility for Slayton is running with his back turned to Slayton when he is open.
At the 3 second mark the deep middle safety opens his hips away from Slayton, I think its the strong safety #22 but hard to tell. I am assuming he's peeking at James, maybe Jones' eyes were there or he just made a bad read.
At the same time the corner dropping deep to that side (where the ball was thrown) picks up Hodgins leaving that deep side of the field and moves across the 40.
Had Jones been throwing the ball by that time its likely one of the two DBs fail to make the move they made. That's all at the 3 second mark of that video.
By the 4 second mark Jones has released that ball. All Slayton had to do was run under it.
For the record, I am in the "jury still out" camp on Jones. At this point I would not be offering him a big contract though I admit my opinion has softened a bit on him this season. I was not a fan coming into the year thought we should be looking to move on.
Some of these comments are out to lunch. As soon as the safety opens his hips to the middle Jones throws the ball. THAT's when Slayton really gets open. Great concept imo.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
The safety is peaking in on James, who is running a cross.
Once he realizes Slayton is unaccounted for, he has to flip his hips the other way, and starts running to the spot where Slayton is going to be.
IMV, if the ball from Jones is thrown just a little sooner the play is probably going to be successful.
and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
Hey that's what I said 🙂
Then you would be correct! Funny thread, obvious who never played football before.
Slayton has been double-clutching receptions since he
became a NY Giant. Even ones he pulls in he almost always "double-catches" so if anybody is surprised he dropped this then you just aren't watching.
And of course the pass was late and thrown to wrong side. But that shouldn't be a surprise either.
The ball still should have been hauled in but this is an example of why teams aren't overly concerned about the passing game of the NY Giants, from both a passing and receiving perspective. They suck at it.
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I'm the same way too. I lean toward saying goodbye to Jones. And we have posters like BW. SO petty that he feels a need to just keep posting bullshit.
His latest attempts here to keep trying to build up Slayton is so laughable.
have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
You should talk?
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
looks like washington dropped the coverage. From my view, Slayton ran a poor route. He ran towards the only defender left. Jones throws away from the defender. A throw closer to the sideline would have been ideal in regard to the quarterbacks job. However, Slayton positioned himself so close to the defender that a throw farther to the outside makes it impossible for Slayton to even get a hand on.
I'm speaking as a layman here, but from my view; this is mostly on Slayton. He did not seek the open area of the field, still got his hands on it and failed to make the catch.
Slayton's got to hang on to that ball. I've been harping about his hands back to when he was a BBI darling rather than whipping boy, and at this point it's clear that he's never going to have reliable hands.
The throw was acceptably good, I guess, but I wouldn't call it "well-thrown". No, that doesn't excuse Slayton for dropping it.
Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why
Slayton almost didn't make the team, had to take a paycut from an already modest salary and drew little interest on the trade market.
He has no instincts. He doesn't track the ball well. He has bad hands. He's light as a feather and gets blown around the field - almost zero play strength. And he does not make the tough, contested catch.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
The ball should've been caught.
Still talking about a post from weeks ago where Jones made a bad throw. Obsessive, borderline psychopathic. You’re like fat man’s less literate twin brother.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
The throw should aim for the back corner of the endzone within ten yards of the boundary. That's what is typically coached. But, because Slayton was incorrectly turned and drifting to the inside, Jones had to try and lead him outside away from the safety. This eliminated where Jones should have been aiming the pass.
Slayton ran a lazy route and turned to the wrong shoulder. Given that and he wasn't running full tilt suggests he got the pre-snap read wrong, and then he didn't react to the safety who pulled off and went into trail technique behind him from centerfield. Basically, Slayton didn't expect the pass based off pre-snap keys, and Wash was disguising their coverage. You could see Jones suddenly realize the coverage and spot Slayton wide open, he just wasn't in the right spot for the optimal pass to be thrown to him. Finally, he doesn't secure the ball before contacting the ground.
RE: RE: Those back to back plays are perfect illustrations why
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton dropped a pass that he had both hands on, and no defender within a couple of yards of him so he didn't have to worry about getting popped as he was making the catch. Yes he had to extend himself a bit, but an NFL caliber receiver HAS to catch that ball. Period.
Exactly what I saw from section 126.
He hesitates and to make matters worse mis-timed the jump.
No sense rehashing, we are LIMITED on offense.
I know he caught one earlier in the game, but these over the shoulder "track the ball" situations aren't something he's good at, which is a shame because he gets open.
Bad players make bad plays.
Don’t stop and jump!!!!
Game changer right there...
Lack of talent all over the place on display with that play
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
In any case, you have to make this catch. Only one of 10,000 chances to win this game, jeez.
Most never even played a sport in their life.
Then it also confirms that your blind
Man what a QB expert you are.
Most never even played a sport in their life.
And play Madden.
When did we hit the point where teams/players can't make mistakes?
Right after Jones fumbled and they took a 3-0 lead, I get a text from a friend "Doesn't look good." LOL
LOL, of course you ding Jones on that play.
An NFL caliber receiver absolutely HAS to catch that ball. The only reason why Slayton had to extend was because he inexplicably stopped running and decided jumping instead was a good idea. He keeps running - like he's supposed to - and it's an easy TD.
Zero excuse for dropping it.
Next thing we'll hear is Slayton was supposed to stop :)
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
BW will NEVER say Jones did something right.. He is just a tad less biased than Go Terps. LOL
Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
That’s all on Slayton imv.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
So in other words you speculate that it was Jones's fault, not that Slayton fucked up and stopped running his route because he could not be bothered.
Jones thought they were in cover 3 and didn't realize they were in cover 1 post snap. He needs to throw the ball away from the deep safety there once he sees the corner run with the crosser
He didn't see it
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
BW will NEVER say Jones did something right.. He is just a tad less biased than Go Terps. LOL
Another falsity. I had an exchange earlier where I complimented Jones on the throw he made to James late in OT to get into FG range.
If you want to think this play to Slayton was this perfect throw, and Slayton should easily caught it, by all means have had it.
That’s all on Slayton imv.
Like I said, it looks like Slayton expected the ball to be there once he turned. And once it wasn't, he had to speed up, leap, and try to bring it in.
but he forgot to do the hokey pokey
So in other words you speculate that it was Jones's fault, not that Slayton fucked up and stopped running his route because he could not be bothered.
Not totally sure who is at fault. None of us know the play, the timing, or what option Slayton was on Jones's reads.
Let me put it this way. I don't think this play cost us the chance of winning. There were a lot of opportunities to close out that game yesterday.
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That seems a little nit picking, or you could make the argument and say that is a perfect throw, catch in stride over the shoulder for a TD. Slay miss judged it and took ownership for it after the game. Hesitated turned and leaped all he had to do was run under the ball it wasn't late and it was thrown away from the defender closest to Slayton. 95% of the time that ball is caught.
Jones thought they were in cover 3 and didn't realize they were in cover 1 post snap. He needs to throw the ball away from the deep safety there once he sees the corner run with the crosser
He didn't see it
And Slayton ran a lazy route. He knew the corner wasn't going going deep so Slayton needed to bend that route to the outside, away from the safety in the middle of the field.
Mental breakdowns by both players
lmao.
Lol you're not very good at film study then...
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Lol you're not very good at film study then...
So, you are certain that Jones was on time with the throw...?
Would it surprise you if he wasn't on time with his decision making?
Lack of talent all over the place on display with that play
You are joking, right? If Slayton kept running, he would've caught the ball in stride.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Lol you're not very good at film study then...
So, you are certain that Jones was on time with the throw...?
Would it surprise you if he wasn't on time with his decision making?
Maybe, but not on that play...
You might be surprised at this, but even objectively bad QBs make very good throws sometimes.
I think Taylor Heinicke stinks, but his 4th down conversion late in the game yesterday was the difference between a Giants' W and what ended up being the result. It was a terrific play he made out of a disaster.
This doesn't make Heinicke a good QB.
You're either blind, have an agenda, or are a moron. Hard to say which after years of reading your posts here?
Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..
If it was Eli Manning, the ball would have been a little higher and Slayton would have reeled it in with 1 hand and outran the Safety for a TD. Of course, in that scenario Slayton is a young OBJ.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
Slayton slowed down after about 15 to 20 yards. Have no idea why, except maybe things like that are why he almost didn't make the team in the first place.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
Haha exactly
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Great talent but his inconsistency is maddening. And I agree with others on this thread, why did he slow down on that route?
That's what I was thinking too.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
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on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
If he doesn't slow down at the 50 that ball is not high...
That's why we didn't win yesterday.
Handful of plays you make or don't make.
LOL, ok.
Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
That's why we didn't win yesterday.
Handful of plays you make or don't make.
THIS is the slim margin.
Their guy makes a play, our guy does not.
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.
LOL, ok.
Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
Yes, and sometimes a 25 year old needs to be taught a few things in order to clean up their play for the next time. Leave no stone unturned.
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..Heineke throws behind his receiver, who makes a one arm catch and breaks free for a TD on third down.
That's why we didn't win yesterday.
Handful of plays you make or don't make.
THIS is the slim margin.
Their guy makes a play, our guy does not.
There is a massive talent difference at WR between Washington and the Giants.
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If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I don't know. To me, it looks like Slayton is running a seam route in between Hodgins and James, who are running dual crossing routes, to create space for Slayton behind them.
And once Slayton is open in that space the ball should come out just a little bit sooner.
Look, it was a missed opportunity. I'm just not sold the play failed solely because of Slayton.
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If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.
LOL, ok.
Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
Yes, and sometimes a 25 year old needs to be taught a few things in order to clean up their play for the next time. Leave no stone unturned.
The goal posts are on wheels here for sure!
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
Knows so little...types so much.
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If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
I’d even take FAITH HILL!
You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
With a better throw, yes. ;)
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It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
With a better throw, yes. ;)
He probably would have still dropped it.
I have a hard time imagining Slayton having the ball skills to track a ball over his left shoulder when he’s already looking over his right shoulder. He might have hit 720 degrees of rotation before the jump if that was the case.
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But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
You know guys don’t just run straight down 80 yards to the end zone right? The ball was thrown to the 40. Slayton grabs it at the 42. He had to slow down no matter what, but he had two more steps he could have taken. He wasn’t catching that ball in stride.
We have a guy get both hands on it (even if he should have run under it or mis-jumped) and still drop it.
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You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
100% correct. Two full hands wrapped around the ball.
You've got it so backwards
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I studied the video and I think the reason the play wasn't executed was Jones might have been late with his delivery. Which may have caused Slayton to slow down expecting the throw earlier. And once that occurs, the chances for error increase.
Furthermore, a closer look at the play, you can see Jones having to deal with a DT pressuring him up the middle. And that could have caused the throw to also be off.
Of course, that would require close inspection of the play.
So, there is no "partisan" reaction. It's a key play that I find interesting to study.
Hey that's what I said 🙂
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I studied the video and I think the reason the play wasn't executed was Jones might have been late with his delivery. Which may have caused Slayton to slow down expecting the throw earlier. And once that occurs, the chances for error increase.
Furthermore, a closer look at the play, you can see Jones having to deal with a DT pressuring him up the middle. And that could have caused the throw to also be off.
Of course, that would require close inspection of the play.
So, there is no "partisan" reaction. It's a key play that I find interesting to study.
Nonsense. The ball was in both hands. No excuses. He plain and simply dropped the ball. It was not even that hard of a catch for a professional WR. Even "mistiming" the jump the ball was in both hands and he bobbled and lost it as he came down.
I don't give a crap about Jones timing being off. Slayton had two hands on the ball - wrapped up - and then just lost it. If you will not admit that Slayton should have held that ball, then you are spinning a tale. Had he kept running it was very likely a TD.
I do not know what close review you needed. I attached the video of the play. Whatever Jones needed to do, he did and the ball was there for the reception - the ball was simply dropped. There is no other conclusion.
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Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Was he open? Yes
Did the ball get there? Yes
Did Slayton have two hands on the ball? Yes
Was it a perfect play? No
Did you watch Cincy and KC yesterday? If so, you saw several balls imperfectly thrown by better QBs and yet caught by their WRs.
There is simply no excuse for Slayton dropping that ball. It does not matter who was in Jones face when he threw it. It does not matter if you think they misread the defense. It only matters that the WR beat the coverage and had both hands wrapped around the ball and then failed o hold on to it.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Was he open? Yes
Did the ball get there? Yes
Did Slayton have two hands on the ball? Yes
Was it a perfect play? No
Did you watch Cincy and KC yesterday? If so, you saw several balls imperfectly thrown by better QBs and yet caught by their WRs.
There is simply no excuse for Slayton dropping that ball. It does not matter who was in Jones face when he threw it. It does not matter if you think they misread the defense. It only matters that the WR beat the coverage and had both hands wrapped around the ball and then failed o hold on to it.
Yes. Beacause when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they only care about the result of the play and not the process.
You are out of control sometimes when it comes to Jones.Slayton’s clearly slowed down for no reason and than proceeded to stop a very catchable ball
Yes. Beacause when coaches and front office staff evaluate players they only care about the result of the play and not the process.
WTF are you talking about? This is not rocket science. Mahomes runs around for 20 seconds, throws some haphazard
sidearm pass to a WR and gets 30 yard completion. You think Andy Reid gives a shit about the "process?"
Are you disputing that Slayton should have completed the reception? Who gives a shit if he ate a sandwich while running the route? He did not catch a ball that was in both hands halfway to the ground.
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I’m not claiming this is a timing route. Slayton was open. Good QBs see that he is getting open as it happens and zip the ball to him.
This play in a nutshell is why I want to see Jones in another uniform.
Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
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And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
I've always had the if you're a professional receiver and you get two hands on a ball, then it should be a catch. Slayton should of caught the ball, no doubt. But to blame Slayton for that not being a walk in Touchdown is incorrect. The throw was behind him, and an adjustment had to be made.
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And Slayton should have caught that, without any doubt. I will say though is that Daniel Jones threw the ball to the wrong shoulder. He throws it to the right shoulder and it's a walk in TD.
Whether the pass is perfectly thrown is not the question. bw in dc in his post said one of the DTs was in Jones' face. The only thing that matters at that time was that if Slayton catches that pass, the Giants almost definitely win the game.
I've always had the if you're a professional receiver and you get two hands on a ball, then it should be a catch. Slayton should of caught the ball, no doubt. But to blame Slayton for that not being a walk in Touchdown is incorrect. The throw was behind him, and an adjustment had to be made.
I've always had the belief.
Did Slayton have both hands in his hands? Simple yes or no.
Yes a better throw is probably a TD. Does that matter? If Slayton holds on to that pass, the still win.
In the NFL, receivers are open only for fractions of seconds. Timing is everything.
I've said the same thing - Jones was a fraction late. That is why Slayton slows down. I think he was expecting the ball earlier.
Meanwhile, look closer at the action in the pocket. Jones is getting some disruption from over the LG and I think that may have caused the ball to sail high as well.
thank you.
It's a good route concept. James and Hodgins ran dual crosses and that created space for Slayton to run the seam.
And Slayton is open early (at our 40) because the deep safety - Forrest (#22) - peaks on James on his cross. You can see Forrest have to flip all the way around and start running to a spot.
In the NFL, receivers are open only for fractions of seconds. Timing is everything.
Was he able to get both hands on the ball?
Ok, it was a split second late. Ok it was not a perfect pass.
Simple question, without further qualifications, should that ball have been caught? That is all that matters in this case. Should that pass have been caught?
My guess is that all NFL coaches(and college coaches) would say that this particular pass should have been caught.
Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught
He then starts to slow down at the 45 but DJ has already released the ball by then.
There is no chance that Slayton slowed down because he didn't think DJ was going to throw him the ball.
Thankfully Wes Welker was in the 10% in SB46... ;)
Remember Odell's drops in the play-off loss to the Packers ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6hnjN1H7k
Everybody has bad days.
You are basing you movement adjusting to it. The turn at the end was he recognized he was off too late imv. It should have been a very gradual slide to the outside and he catches it close to in stride. Perhaps someone (pro WR) will give his thoughts from a network and someone can post that to see how they saw it.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
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I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.
Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught
Yes, and the ball should have been delivered earlier and more accurately.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
LOL. And yet your ignorant ass will claim you don't post hundred of times a week about Jones. You're far past a hundred and it is only Monday.
What's the next move - claiming you are being "attacked"?? It was better in the old days when you posted RESEARCH that was neither research nor accurate. A fraud for some time now.
C'mon - deny that you don't post hundreds of times a week about Jones - that would be cute as hell, Chief.
This is so true. I’ve been thinking this for weeks (on other issues)
People see what they want to see
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I agree. And you know what I see in that split second when the ball should have been released? The infamous Jones hitch.
Jones could have done a jig. That ball should have been caught
Yes, and the ball should have been delivered earlier and more accurately.
The ball could have been delivered a week from Tuesday for all I care. He had it in both hands. He should have held it
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
Look at the other Slayton thread - you're all over it. Don't talk to me about health when you spend most of your week talking about Jones and doing whatever the fuck you can to say he shouldn't be the QB here.
Is that healthy or productive?? Again - are you going to say you don't post hundreds of times a week?? Please tell me you aren't that fucking clueless?
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Jones did throw to his outside shoulder. That's why slayton got twisted when he jumped
Critique these drops by HOF Jerry Rice -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18yQ2ndyjI
You seem to not like what people discuss on this board so instead of bitching about it every single time you come on here, why not just not come on here instead of trying to police the board?
It’s really not healthy to be this angry and obsessive all the time, it’s not worth the heartburn and hair loss. Cheer up every once and awhile, champ.
It always disappoints me to disappoint the FMiC.
There is obviously deep pain from the departure of David Gettleman. And that manifests in all of the vitriol and rancor pouring out of the FMiC.
But I'm hopeful time will heal this gaping wound and FMiC will one day have something interesting to say.
Let's give it some more time. It's been a very challenging year for the FMiC with Gettleman, EditGate, his podcast, getting TKO'd by Googs, etc.
After all these years, after all the anger, after the incredible commitment to being wrong -- it's sad the eminently forgettable Daniel Jones -- is the hill our sweaty big friend is breaking down and dying on.
And let's not forget obtuse and ponderous.
Critique these drops by HOF Jerry Rice -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18yQ2ndyjI
I'm sold. Slayton is the second coming of the GOAT
He has limitations but he has really helped a lot this year as well. I give him credit. He was pretty much passed over by the league and has found a way to may some good contributions and trying to fit in a role with expectations he is not made for.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
I’m always interested in learning something so tell me what safety was breaking their hips and when. The DB who looks to have coverage responsibility for Slayton is running with his back turned to Slayton when he is open.
Terrible ball skills
Below average body control
All comments Sy has consistently made in his game reviews when describing Slayton’s game performance.
Yet he’s our number 1 WR target and I am not a Jones defender
We are talking about Slayton on this thread
At the same time the corner dropping deep to that side (where the ball was thrown) picks up Hodgins leaving that deep side of the field and moves across the 40.
Had Jones been throwing the ball by that time its likely one of the two DBs fail to make the move they made. That's all at the 3 second mark of that video.
By the 4 second mark Jones has released that ball. All Slayton had to do was run under it.
For the record, I am in the "jury still out" camp on Jones. At this point I would not be offering him a big contract though I admit my opinion has softened a bit on him this season. I was not a fan coming into the year thought we should be looking to move on.
But if Jones throws that ball earlier the safety quickly breaks on the ball and its a contested catch situation. All Slayton had to do was run under that pass. No need to slow down and high point it. None.
The safety is peaking in on James, who is running a cross.
Once he realizes Slayton is unaccounted for, he has to flip his hips the other way, and starts running to the spot where Slayton is going to be.
IMV, if the ball from Jones is thrown just a little sooner the play is probably going to be successful.
I was thinking Kurosowa and Rashomon. All have their "truths" about what happened. Ultimately it revolves around themselves.
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and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
Hey that's what I said 🙂
Then you would be correct! Funny thread, obvious who never played football before.
And of course the pass was late and thrown to wrong side. But that shouldn't be a surprise either.
The ball still should have been hauled in but this is an example of why teams aren't overly concerned about the passing game of the NY Giants, from both a passing and receiving perspective. They suck at it.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
You are sadly, a jacka$$. The ball was clearly in his hands even with him mistiming the jump. Had he not stopped it was a TD.
I ask you to stop being partisan. I want a new QB too. But it is as clear as hell that any semi-competent WR catches that ball at worst, or gets a TD. Hell he had two full hands on the ball and then managed to bobble it even with two hands fully on the ball. This is the crap that makes you a joke to many posters.
I'm the same way too. I lean toward saying goodbye to Jones. And we have posters like BW. SO petty that he feels a need to just keep posting bullshit.
His latest attempts here to keep trying to build up Slayton is so laughable.
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have to just realize that on most topics like this, you're just getting trolled by a group of posters who will blame Jones whenever possible and spend hours a week trying their damnest to point it out, over multiple threads.
If you can figure out why - that would be a great thing to start a case study on.
If someone is breaking down "film" enough to say that Jones made a poor throw here - there's an agenda and it only exposes complete ignorance on what people are looking at.
Just remember - there's a group that will focus on Jones every day across multiple threads instead of enjoying the ride. It is immaterial whether or not you think they are good, bad or mediocre fans - it is what it is. Hours sucked away every week trying to prove to the board that Jones is the root of all problems.
They call it being insightful - I call it bizarre as fuck. But it will continue every day, just on a different thread. This is today's thread and bw is proud as fuck to illustrate he knows jackshit about what he's looking at. Why? Because he's trolling you. Hard.
And yet you just waste time reposting the same shit. Truly bizarre as fuck.
You should talk?
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
The ball should've been caught.
I'm speaking as a layman here, but from my view; this is mostly on Slayton. He did not seek the open area of the field, still got his hands on it and failed to make the catch.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
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Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
The throw was acceptably good, I guess, but I wouldn't call it "well-thrown". No, that doesn't excuse Slayton for dropping it.
He has no instincts. He doesn't track the ball well. He has bad hands. He's light as a feather and gets blown around the field - almost zero play strength. And he does not make the tough, contested catch.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
You should talk?
With all your horseshit about Jones. Teh ball was trhown at Barklety's ankles. LMAO
And now you have teh idiot BW pretdnign like Slayton shouldn't have caught the pass and yet morons like oyu bury your head in teh sand.
The ball should've been caught.
Still talking about a post from weeks ago where Jones made a bad throw. Obsessive, borderline psychopathic. You’re like fat man’s less literate twin brother.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Is that in reply to my post?
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
AND
Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
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Slayton should have bent his route away from the safety
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Jones should have thrown the ball towards the sidelines AND earlier
All things can be true
This isn't a fucking binary game
Good points and I would add that long passes are hard to complete. If it was easy it would happen all the time. Great QBs throw imperfect balls. Great WRs don't come down with every catch. It was a totally normal NFL play.
These things can get magnified here because we're such a low octane offense. A better team will go and move the ball on the next play or the next drive (see Tyler Boyd's unbelievably bad drop against KC)
Spot on
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
I know this is a complete aside, but when was the last time you saw a drop like Boyd had? That was unbelievable.
Now that is a play to assign 100% blame to the WR... ;)
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In comment 15934877 thefan said:
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
Washington disguised their coverage. Gave a cover 3 look pre snap and then rotated into hybrid coverage with a single high safety, a robber/cloud intermediate and the corners playing man.
Jones and Slayton both blew their post snap reads on the safety and the corner.
The outside corner followed his man on the deep cross and the the safety stayed in between the hash marks. Slayton has to bend his route outside and Jones has to throw the ball to Slayton's outside shoulder (when Slayton clears the crosser).
Slayton stayed straight. Jones threw it a half second late and to the inside and the rest is history. Mental mistakes compounded by the fact that Slayton still had a chance to make a play and dropped it.
It's not black and white. There wasn't only one thing that went wrong
But this stuff happens when you average talent at best.
Blue7 is very likely correct.
JonC, I agree he is right; however, I think he is wrong that the throw was not made towards the sideline. When Slayton jumps he twists and turns his body to the sideline exactly because it was thrown towards the sideline.
The throw should aim for the back corner of the endzone within ten yards of the boundary. That's what is typically coached. But, because Slayton was incorrectly turned and drifting to the inside, Jones had to try and lead him outside away from the safety. This eliminated where Jones should have been aiming the pass.
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And he does not make the tough, contested catch.
Playing QB is really hard in the NFL - you aren't going to get a perfect pass everytime. While Jones is getting the sh#t kicked out of him by the best DL in the league, this guy is dropping passes because they weren't perfect. It's absurd, and if he's your #1 WR you aren't doing jack squat.
He’s made two tough contested catches in the last two weeks. He’s rated 12th in YAC. Slayton can make plays. He’s not a number one but we don’t have to make stuff up to prop up Jones. Playing WR isn’t easy in the NFL either, the other team gets paid to play defense.
Slayton dropped a pass that he had both hands on, and no defender within a couple of yards of him so he didn't have to worry about getting popped as he was making the catch. Yes he had to extend himself a bit, but an NFL caliber receiver HAS to catch that ball. Period.