I thought live he should have kept running, but I think after viewing the video he got scared that the safety was going to cut it off, so he broke his route a bit early and then mistimed the jump. Something bothered Slayton because he should have kept running.
But Slayton shouldn’t have kept running. If he keeps running that ball isn’t coming over his shoulder into his arms, you can tell by the trajectory. Maybe he could have taken another step or two but it’s also in the heat of the moment with a defender coming across to break up the play.
saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
You might be surprised at this, but even objectively bad QBs make very good throws sometimes.
I think Taylor Heinicke stinks, but his 4th down conversion late in the game yesterday was the difference between a Giants' W and what ended up being the result. It was a terrific play he made out of a disaster.
throwing that ball is going to be more up and over (to the left) allowing the receiver to run with it.
Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..
If it was Eli Manning, the ball would have been a little higher and Slayton would have reeled it in with 1 hand and outran the Safety for a TD. Of course, in that scenario Slayton is a young OBJ.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Slayton slowed down after about 15 to 20 yards. Have no idea why, except maybe things like that are why he almost didn't make the team in the first place.
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
They showed a stat yesterday about Slayton's drops
and ideally he would throw to the sideline shoulder of the receiver, away from the safety who picks him up. With that said, I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass. Looks like both players were surprised he got open and there were a few breakdowns, concluding with not being able to put the ball away before contacting the ground.
I'd also expect Slayton to be looking over the opposite shoulder and to be moving away from the safety in order to create space and use his body to shield the safety from the pass.
but I understand why he might have slowed down. Maybe he attempted to come back towards the QB when he saw the pass coming his way. At that point he had no choice but to jump for the ball. On deep routes we often criticize the WR for not coming back to help the QB who might be under duress. It's understandable why Slayton slowed down, but he should have caught that.
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
If he doesn't slow down at the 50 that ball is not high...
Ball is out with Slayton at the Giants 46. You are looking at just over 15 yards to adjust to the ball and adjust which is more than enough time and it does seem he shades inwards. The more I look the more I put on Slayton and even still you need to make that catch.
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
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A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I don't know. To me, it looks like Slayton is running a seam route in between Hodgins and James, who are running dual crossing routes, to create space for Slayton behind them.
And once Slayton is open in that space the ball should come out just a little bit sooner.
Look, it was a missed opportunity. I'm just not sold the play failed solely because of Slayton.
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If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
Man I’ve watched this about 20 times and if Slayton just keeps running straight it’s a TD. I think he adjusts because he heard the footsteps. It would have been close but the defender is still 2-3 yards away if he catches that in stride. It’s a touchdown.
saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
whenever certain group of posters claim to not have an agenda with DJ. Anyone who does not put 99 percent of the blame on Slayton is clearly looking at this play through agenda driven lenses. It's just that clear.
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
But there’s no way he’s catching that in running stride with how the ball was thrown. He probably could have taken one or two more steps and turned and caught it without jumping, but he wasn’t catching that in stride.
You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
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Is that a go route? I don't see Slayton turning in or out, it looks like a straight go. Ball should've been thrown deep and to the left. Slayton should've caught it. I sit in an office chair for a living though.
I have a hard time imagining Slayton having the ball skills to track a ball over his left shoulder when he’s already looking over his right shoulder. He might have hit 720 degrees of rotation before the jump if that was the case.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Lol you're not very good at film study then...
So, you are certain that Jones was on time with the throw...?
Would it surprise you if he wasn't on time with his decision making?
Lack of talent all over the place on display with that play
You are joking, right? If Slayton kept running, he would've caught the ball in stride.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
Lol you're not very good at film study then...
So, you are certain that Jones was on time with the throw...?
Would it surprise you if he wasn't on time with his decision making?
Maybe, but not on that play...
You might be surprised at this, but even objectively bad QBs make very good throws sometimes.
I think Taylor Heinicke stinks, but his 4th down conversion late in the game yesterday was the difference between a Giants' W and what ended up being the result. It was a terrific play he made out of a disaster.
This doesn't make Heinicke a good QB.
You're either blind, have an agenda, or are a moron. Hard to say which after years of reading your posts here?
Regardless shitty all around and Slayton has to catch it..
If it was Eli Manning, the ball would have been a little higher and Slayton would have reeled it in with 1 hand and outran the Safety for a TD. Of course, in that scenario Slayton is a young OBJ.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
Slayton slowed down after about 15 to 20 yards. Have no idea why, except maybe things like that are why he almost didn't make the team in the first place.
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Slayton was open, Jones threw it too high, and Slayton really had to extend to try to pull it in.
that's what you got from the replay? Not that Slayton slowed down and jumped when he didn't have to?
Haha exactly
If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Great talent but his inconsistency is maddening. And I agree with others on this thread, why did he slow down on that route?
That's what I was thinking too.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
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on Slayton IMO. He got both hands on the ball. He also mistimed his jump, which wouldn't have been necessary if hadn't slowed down. Jones also had a rusher in his face. Even if Slayton just catches it, we're at their 40.
Funny that you mention that pressure on Jones. It did come from the DT - I can't tell who - and perhaps that's what caused the ball to sail high...?
If he doesn't slow down at the 50 that ball is not high...
That's why we didn't win yesterday.
Handful of plays you make or don't make.
LOL, ok.
Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
That's why we didn't win yesterday.
Handful of plays you make or don't make.
THIS is the slim margin.
Their guy makes a play, our guy does not.
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.
LOL, ok.
Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
Yes, and sometimes a 25 year old needs to be taught a few things in order to clean up their play for the next time. Leave no stone unturned.
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..Heineke throws behind his receiver, who makes a one arm catch and breaks free for a TD on third down.
That's why we didn't win yesterday.
Handful of plays you make or don't make.
THIS is the slim margin.
Their guy makes a play, our guy does not.
There is a massive talent difference at WR between Washington and the Giants.
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If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
A 40 yard bomb isn’t a timing route. He’s not the first read and he gets the ball if he’s open.
I don't know. To me, it looks like Slayton is running a seam route in between Hodgins and James, who are running dual crossing routes, to create space for Slayton behind them.
And once Slayton is open in that space the ball should come out just a little bit sooner.
Look, it was a missed opportunity. I'm just not sold the play failed solely because of Slayton.
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If I had to guess, I think Slayton expected the ball to be thrown sooner.
What he expects is completely irrelevant. He’s a professional WR who, by now, shouldn’t know that things don’t always go as planned. He had plenty of time to adjust given the distance of the pass. I’m sure he felt he needed to jump, but he didn’t. Either way, he dropped an uncontested ball. No one else to blame but Slayton.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
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plenty to be fixed on that play by both players, that's the point of ALL-22 and film review. Slim margin for error in the NFL. Fix it.
LOL, ok.
Again, sometimes players just have to make plays.
Yes, and sometimes a 25 year old needs to be taught a few things in order to clean up their play for the next time. Leave no stone unturned.
The goal posts are on wheels here for sure!
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saying it was a bad throw? That might have been a TD had Sly kept running and caught it in stride.
It was a bad throw, and late. If the throw leads the receiver toward the sideline instead of right at him, it's an easy catch. Slayton is wide open. I think that is what Jones tried to do, but he missed. If Slayton kept running, the pass would have been underthrown
If I were to fault Slayton it would be that he should have angled toward the sideline because WC had no one over there and made the angle a little easier for the qb. I fault Jones for (a) not seeing that Slayton was going to be open (Slayton is coming open at the 38 when the safety starts moving toward the other receiver), (b) throwing late (Slayton is looking for the ball when he hits the 41, he knows he's coming wide open, and Jones hasn't thrown it yet, and (c) not leading the receiver toward the sideline instead of the hashmark and back into the safety.
Nice play design as they essentially put the safety in a no win situation, poorly placed throw and a late throw. This is an illustration of the same issues with Jones that plagued him in college- poor anticipation and iffy ball placement.
Knows so little...types so much.
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If that pass is to OBJ instead of the unreliable slay, the catch is easily made for a TD….Jones stats look much better….the conversation regarding Jones begins to get one sided.
I WANT OBJ TO GIVE JONES A FAIR CHANCE and to increase our chances of winning.
If Anyone disagrees with my assessment, get on the phone with Tua and Hurts and ask them how much Tyreek and AJ has meant to them this year.
Unfortunately, at this point we don't know if OBJ is like getting Tyreek Hill or Benny Hill.
I’d even take FAITH HILL!
You’re right. After he slowed down, there was no way he was catching it in stride.
It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
With a better throw, yes. ;)
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It's not irrelevant if the timing of the route required Jones to throw the ball earlier.
But I don't know the play or route concept. Slayton turns for the ball at our 43 and the ball doesn't get to him until 41 yard-line of WC.
Should slayton have caught the ball, yes or no?
With a better throw, yes. ;)
He probably would have still dropped it.
I have a hard time imagining Slayton having the ball skills to track a ball over his left shoulder when he’s already looking over his right shoulder. He might have hit 720 degrees of rotation before the jump if that was the case.