Before the game I said this will be the game Jones needs to put the team on his back and win. It was the perfect opportunity to see if he could and the Coaching didn't give him a chance to . They played not to lose and coached their QB that way. I would have preferred to see Jones not perform and know for sure he ain't the guy. Apparently they must already know. I hope they are right cause if he goes somewhere next year and lights it up games like this will be remembered. Barkley is either hurt or back to his old ways. If he's hurt then why haven't Brightwell and Breida gotten more carries? Very frustrating game overall and to be honest even if they won I d be thinking the same thing. And Sy I loved your knew format. Right to the important stuff. Spot on right to the point what you saw and think. Thank you.
I too liked the new format. Any thought to adding a section dedicated to reviewing the coaches performance.
This is not because this week there is a lot of focus on Dabol's possible lack of aggressiveness. There was Kafka's play calling and the ongoing risk reward of when Wink needs to blitz or pull back.
Look, I am "meh" on whether Jones goes or stays.....
a solid read on Schoen/Daboll as to their views of Jones. I am not as certain as Sy seems. At times, I think they are willing to move on. At other times, I think they realize the limitations of the supporting cast and the progress he has made despite it.
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
They can definitely putz this up. No FA out there better than Jones and we got at best a middling 1st round draft pick. Yeah was excited about the QB class preseasons but I definitely feel cock blocked by the class now.
Before the game I said this will be the game Jones needs to put the team on his back and win. It was the perfect opportunity to see if he could and the Coaching didn't give him a chance to . They played not to lose and coached their QB that way. I would have preferred to see Jones not perform and know for sure he ain't the guy. Apparently they must already know. I hope they are right cause if he goes somewhere next year and lights it up games like this will be remembered. Barkley is either hurt or back to his old ways. If he's hurt then why haven't Brightwell and Breida gotten more carries? Very frustrating game overall and to be honest even if they won I d be thinking the same thing. And Sy I loved your knew format. Right to the important stuff. Spot on right to the point what you saw and think. Thank you.
I agree with this- I'd much rather have sacrificed some win expectancy to give Jones a chance to sink/swim in a real NFL offense.
But we have to realize that this is the offense they designed for him. It's not like they came in from BUF and KC with this playback. They built it early based on what they saw. And it worked in terms of winning games. It's probably not easy to make big changes mid season.
when Barkley and James ran into each other on the 3rd and 2, I think that's when Daboll said fuck it, this could end up being a disaster so lets just punt.
Calling anyone who says similar a hater or a moron now right?
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The lack of confidence Daboll showed on the 4th-and-3 was unwarranted from my perspective and may be more telling than some want to think. They do not believe in him. How many head coaches who are confident in their quarterback make that decision? Almost NONE.
a solid read on Schoen/Daboll as to their views of Jones. I am not as certain as Sy seems. At times, I think they are willing to move on. At other times, I think they realize the limitations of the supporting cast and the progress he has made despite it.
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
Eric, IMV, Jones is still an enigma. Sometimes he looks lost and uncommitted. Other times he looks just fine. His running for a QB is top notch. He is decisive on when to leave the pocket and most times makes positive plays
I have come to the belief it is time to move on. He just does not seem to make the quick, decisive throws that virtually every NFL QB makes. Some say he processes slowly. I am not convinced of that. He just seems reluctant on occasion to let it go - perhaps it is just lack of confidence in himself(and perhaps that is the processing others talk about).
It seems Sy is just as "non-committal"(for lack of a better word) on Jones. He has given Jones several positive writeups while noting the "JV" WR corps. A few times he mentioned that Jones did about all he could do with what he has around him. Perhaps it is professional courtesy of not disparaging a player in public that keeps him from saying more.
If Daboll and Schoen decide to bring him back, I will be surprised. I also believe that Barkley may be losing his re-signing with the Giants. He has come up small in the past month as he seems uncommitted to make the hard runs that pickup 1st downs.
to the two plays requiring a 3 yard pass in another game and Jones threw one out of the receiver's reach and the other behind the receiver. You can bet Daboll didn't forget.
And you all were apparently not also paying attention to the current defensive formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. The other team gets paid too, and they are telling you by the defense they play what they are most worried about.
when Barkley and James ran into each other on the 3rd and 2, I think that's when Daboll said fuck it, this could end up being a disaster so lets just punt.
I agree. And punting the ball, pinning Wash deep, and relying on the D to get a stop so you can get the ball back with a chance to kick the game winning field goal isn't a bad plan at all. It's much less risky than going for it on 4th and 3 near mid-field and, in fact, it almost worked.
Calling anyone who says similar a hater or a moron now right?
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The lack of confidence Daboll showed on the 4th-and-3 was unwarranted from my perspective and may be more telling than some want to think. They do not believe in him. How many head coaches who are confident in their quarterback make that decision? Almost NONE.
While I agree it is time to move on, you also left the preceding sentences out of the section you quoted from Sy -
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The quick decisions and play-making ability he created with his legs. After watching the All-22, Jones played a good game, even keeping the first quarter fumble in mind.
think Daboll is more conservative now because of the injuries and the fact that we have a winning record and are in playoff position. None of that was true in week one.
Calling anyone who says similar a hater or a moron now right?
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The lack of confidence Daboll showed on the 4th-and-3 was unwarranted from my perspective and may be more telling than some want to think. They do not believe in him. How many head coaches who are confident in their quarterback make that decision? Almost NONE.
While I agree it is time to move on, you also left the preceding sentences out of the section you quoted from Sy -
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The quick decisions and play-making ability he created with his legs. After watching the All-22, Jones played a good game, even keeping the first quarter fumble in mind.
Not sure how that’s relevant. Never said he had a bad game. But anyone who even remotely suggested they don’t fully trust him has been shot down as a moron on here, especially by a certain plump fellow.
if there's ever a kitchen sink game with Jones it is this coming Sunday, we will see how Daboll/Kafka calls it
I don't know. This was a winnable game and a great situation to answer some serious questions, and it feels like it just added more questions. It's going to be much harder to judge anything against a better quality of opponent like that.
If the Eagles game goes poorly, and it has every reason to the way the Giants are trending, it's going to be really easy to write it off as just getting handled by one of the best teams in the league that way outclasses NYG.
was analytics driven. Not about the chances of picking it up but the chances of making the playoffs after a tie.
100% this. A win was not so much better than a tie. A loss was significantly worse, for playoff positioning. That's what shaped the strategy. I bet that they will not be so conservative the next time against Washington, when they need the win.
Daboll relies heavily on his analytics guys for game decisions I think. That's what that was. He even hinted at it in the postgame press conference:
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Q: Back to the fourth-and-3, you made that statement in the first game when you went for two. You were aggressive. Why not today?
to the two plays requiring a 3 yard pass in another game and Jones threw one out of the receiver's reach and the other behind the receiver. You can bet Daboll didn't forget.
And you all were apparently not also paying attention to the current defensive formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. The other team gets paid too, and they are telling you by the defense they play what they are most worried about.
I know your position on Jones and I'm not going to argue one way or the other at this point.
But the nitpicking about individual throws has gotten a bit ridiculous. If Giants fans expect a cyborg to play QB for the Giants, it's not happening. Even the best QBs miss throws.
Personally, I find the ongoing thread on the Slayton drop very enlightening. The pretzel twisting by some on that thread is amazing.
It's dismaying to think that Daboll doesn't trust Jones there
And even more so to think that maybe Daboll is shrinking under the expectations. It's easy to have balls when your not expected to win or not playing for anything important. Tough guy week 1 with no expectations, wimp week 13 with a chance to make the playoffs? That's a scary thought.
Agree Sy that Barkley makes too many "business decisions"
He took a pass in overtime, looked at a defender about to meet him just beyond the line of scrimmage, and used his 225+ frame and tree trunk legs to drive the defender back multiple yards. NYG picked up seven on the play. He is clearly capable of playing the power game. He clearly does not do so on a consistent basis. A 225+ pound back with elite movement traits is averaging 2.75 yards after contact per carry. That ranks 28th in the NFL among backs with over 100 carries. Behind the likes of Devin Singletary, Isaiah Pacheco, Raheem Mosert, D’Onta Foreman, Tyler Allgeier, and Khalil Herbert to name a few. Multiple things needed to be better when it comes to this running game, but it starts with #26.
Special talent, but pretty maddening as a runner.
And for all the avoiding contact, he still gets hurt. So it's not serving a purpose.
Not sure how that’s relevant. Never said he had a bad game. But anyone who even remotely suggested they don’t fully trust him has been shot down as a moron on here, especially by a certain plump fellow.
Maybe the don't trust him, or the Oline or the RBs or the WRs or all of the above.
I do think it is time to move on, but he was easily the best player on offense Sunday.
a solid read on Schoen/Daboll as to their views of Jones. I am not as certain as Sy seems. At times, I think they are willing to move on. At other times, I think they realize the limitations of the supporting cast and the progress he has made despite it.
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
This is spot on -- and is a very telling analysis. Daboll and Shoen have shown a propensity to say all the right things, and always state things as positively as they can about current players. They did that about Kadarius and then shot him out into the nether region.
I think that this is clearly what it appears to be. They are managing a tough situation, that they have already made the best of. If they need to keep Jones they don't want to have any words out there that will come back and bite them. But they have shown they can cut bait pretty quickly when the opportunity arises.
In my opinion there is no way Jones is the long term answer and they know it. When the right opportunity comes they will go for it. It will be sudden, swift, and decisive.
Ask yourself -- Do you trust Jones for three yards on 4th down when the chips are down and the real pressure is on, the same way you trusted Eli? In my view NFW.
Agree on Hodgins. What do you see his ceiling as? Could he be what McKenzie brings to Buffalo as a #3?
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I love this kid….big, great hands, solid body….doesn’t look like he would be injured a lot like some of our other smaller fragile WRs (and that included Toney)
...an economical way to keep Ward around. I think there's a shot as his athletic limitations will probably prevent any team paying him to be one of their top 2 guys. He's been flexible and productive and has so much dog in him which has been critical considering the number of times the defense is in rough spots with the offense being so criminally undermanned in terms of pass catchers.
a solid read on Schoen/Daboll as to their views of Jones. I am not as certain as Sy seems. At times, I think they are willing to move on. At other times, I think they realize the limitations of the supporting cast and the progress he has made despite it.
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
I feel exactly the same way. They didn't pick up Jones's fifth year option, but that was expected. They were both new, and needed to see him for themselves. And now he's dealing with a porous interior OL and the worst WRs in the league. His only deep threat likely would have been cut if he had not agreed to a pay cut. But the counter argument that he doesn't process quickly enough is also valid.
I don't think they will sign him to a long-term contract this offseason, but I could see a two year deal or even the FT. I agree that other options for QB will at least to some extent affect their decision and any offer.
Jones is the most polarizing player in the history of BBI IMO. And yet after four and a half years, I still don't know what they should do with him.
Agree on Hodgins. What do you see his ceiling as? Could he be what McKenzie brings to Buffalo as a #3?
This too +1
I love this kid….big, great hands, solid body….doesn’t look like he would be injured a lot like some of our other smaller fragile WRs (and that included Toney)
That route he ran for the TD was so crisp it should be on tapes teaching kids how to play WR. Reminded me how Odell would run his short area routes.
(and I said it back in September)... if the Giants are moving on from Saquon, Schoen screwed up by not trading him before the deadline when he was on fire.
That's easy for me to say however. If Saquon was traded by the deadline, and then the team went on its current downswing, the fan base would have blamed Schoen for wasting a playoff run.
(and I said it back in September)... if the Giants are moving on from Saquon, Schoen screwed up by not trading him before the deadline when he was on fire.
That's easy for me to say however. If Saquon was traded by the deadline, and then the team went on its current downswing, the fan base would have blamed Schoen for wasting a playoff run.
Yep, you just answered it. These vacuums aren’t made in a vacuum. Also, at that point they could have lost the locker room considering Saquon *IS* the offense.
Flawless if what you care about is completion percentage. It was very much a Chad Pennington performance. Short throws completed for a high percentage with few errors and little production.
I think many were hoping to see a lot more out of Jones. Based on what Sy wrote, the staff does not trust this passing game at all. That is not just about the WRs.
At the end of regulation when they had a chance to win, Jones threw three passes:
1. The first, he didn't lead Slayton towards the sideline. Should've been caught, but he gave the safety a chance to make a play on the ball.
2. The second, he threw an uncatchable ball and negated a possible pass interference call.
3. The third was almost picked off when he tried to squeeze it into tight coverage.
Jones' detractors protest too much I think, but Jones did not seize the win when given the chance. And it shows.
Your first point is just not true. He DID lead him towards the sidelines which is why he twisted in the air.
Point 2 is also wrong. Slayton ran a poor route that was too close to the sidelines and didn't give DJ any space to make the throw. It was a chronic problem that Manningham had, and Slayton made the same mistake.
Since you apparently watch video of other teams, do you consider Love a good bet to get a pro bowl nod at safety?
If you think the Giants have "JV WRs", wouldn't it make sense for Daboll to play the game more conservatively and be more selective when he chooses to press the accelerator?
What is the point of playing the QB if you don’t believe in him. It would be much easier to find his replacement by losing and getting a better pick
I really think that in critical situations they do not trust the interior OLand the WRs not the QB. I think even Barkley is giving them some pause
I thought that was the case at the end of the first half. The play caller can tell the QB to throw the ball out of the end zone if nothing is wide open, but they can’t do anything about horrendous pass protection and risk a sack there.
What is the point of playing the QB if you don’t believe in him. It would be much easier to find his replacement by losing and getting a better pick
I really think that in critical situations they do not trust the interior OLand the WRs not the QB. I think even Barkley is giving them some pause
I thought that was the case at the end of the first half. The play caller can tell the QB to throw the ball out of the end zone if nothing is wide open, but they can’t do anything about horrendous pass protection and risk a sack there.
They had a timeout and we’re at the 19 though. A sack keeps them in field goal range and they end up with the same result they did running him.
to the two plays requiring a 3 yard pass in another game and Jones threw one out of the receiver's reach and the other behind the receiver. You can bet Daboll didn't forget.
And you all were apparently not also paying attention to the current defensive formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. The other team gets paid too, and they are telling you by the defense they play what they are most worried about.
Exactly. This is why it occurred to me recently that without Daniel Jones as a RPO/scrambling threat, this entire offense is dead in the water.
No passing game means stuff Barkley and stop the Giants. Can give us the best 5 linemen in the NFL and they aren't going to make ground against 8-9 in the box.
When Jones runs, it helps run blocking for Barkley since less defenders are committed to him. This, in turn, opens up play action and our meager passing game.
When Jones is just a drop back passer, he's ineffectual. What % is him versus the 'receivers' will be infinitely debated.
the one play to me that really calls into question whether they trust DJ is the decision to run at the end of the half. There is almost no negative consequence to trying to see if you can make a play in the endzone UNLESS you don't trust the QB to simply throw the ball in the stands if nothing is there.
That call to me was more questionable and more cowardly than not going for it on 4th and 3.
Point 2 is also wrong. Slayton ran a poor route that was too close to the sidelines and didn't give DJ any space to make the throw. It was a chronic problem that Manningham had, and Slayton made the same mistake.
Took Toomer until his 3rd season to learn that and how to shield the DB from the ball.
This is not because this week there is a lot of focus on Dabol's possible lack of aggressiveness. There was Kafka's play calling and the ongoing risk reward of when Wink needs to blitz or pull back.
Look at Brady last night....3 points until 5 minutes left and then two masterful drives to beat the Saints with 2 Seconds Left!
That is what I am talking about!
That is the QB I want....of course, I don't want the same guy who only scored 3 points up to those last five minutes! LOL
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
They can definitely putz this up. No FA out there better than Jones and we got at best a middling 1st round draft pick. Yeah was excited about the QB class preseasons but I definitely feel cock blocked by the class now.
Look at Brady last night....3 points until 5 minutes left and then two masterful drives to beat the Saints with 2 Seconds Left!
That is what I am talking about!
That is the QB I want....of course, I don't want the same guy who only scored 3 points up to those last five minutes! LOL
So you want a young Tom Brady? OK.
I agree with this- I'd much rather have sacrificed some win expectancy to give Jones a chance to sink/swim in a real NFL offense.
But we have to realize that this is the offense they designed for him. It's not like they came in from BUF and KC with this playback. They built it early based on what they saw. And it worked in terms of winning games. It's probably not easy to make big changes mid season.
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
Eric, IMV, Jones is still an enigma. Sometimes he looks lost and uncommitted. Other times he looks just fine. His running for a QB is top notch. He is decisive on when to leave the pocket and most times makes positive plays
I have come to the belief it is time to move on. He just does not seem to make the quick, decisive throws that virtually every NFL QB makes. Some say he processes slowly. I am not convinced of that. He just seems reluctant on occasion to let it go - perhaps it is just lack of confidence in himself(and perhaps that is the processing others talk about).
It seems Sy is just as "non-committal"(for lack of a better word) on Jones. He has given Jones several positive writeups while noting the "JV" WR corps. A few times he mentioned that Jones did about all he could do with what he has around him. Perhaps it is professional courtesy of not disparaging a player in public that keeps him from saying more.
If Daboll and Schoen decide to bring him back, I will be surprised. I also believe that Barkley may be losing his re-signing with the Giants. He has come up small in the past month as he seems uncommitted to make the hard runs that pickup 1st downs.
And you all were apparently not also paying attention to the current defensive formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. The other team gets paid too, and they are telling you by the defense they play what they are most worried about.
Look at Brady last night....3 points until 5 minutes left and then two masterful drives to beat the Saints with 2 Seconds Left!
That is what I am talking about!
That is the QB I want....of course, I don't want the same guy who only scored 3 points up to those last five minutes! LOL
Brady got 17 points. We already have that.
I agree. And punting the ball, pinning Wash deep, and relying on the D to get a stop so you can get the ball back with a chance to kick the game winning field goal isn't a bad plan at all. It's much less risky than going for it on 4th and 3 near mid-field and, in fact, it almost worked.
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The lack of confidence Daboll showed on the 4th-and-3 was unwarranted from my perspective and may be more telling than some want to think. They do not believe in him. How many head coaches who are confident in their quarterback make that decision? Almost NONE.
While I agree it is time to move on, you also left the preceding sentences out of the section you quoted from Sy -
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Calling anyone who says similar a hater or a moron now right?
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The lack of confidence Daboll showed on the 4th-and-3 was unwarranted from my perspective and may be more telling than some want to think. They do not believe in him. How many head coaches who are confident in their quarterback make that decision? Almost NONE.
While I agree it is time to move on, you also left the preceding sentences out of the section you quoted from Sy -
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The quick decisions and play-making ability he created with his legs. After watching the All-22, Jones played a good game, even keeping the first quarter fumble in mind.
Not sure how that’s relevant. Never said he had a bad game. But anyone who even remotely suggested they don’t fully trust him has been shot down as a moron on here, especially by a certain plump fellow.
Any commentary on Jones' ability to process the read defender in the option game?
I don't know. This was a winnable game and a great situation to answer some serious questions, and it feels like it just added more questions. It's going to be much harder to judge anything against a better quality of opponent like that.
If the Eagles game goes poorly, and it has every reason to the way the Giants are trending, it's going to be really easy to write it off as just getting handled by one of the best teams in the league that way outclasses NYG.
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was analytics driven. Not about the chances of picking it up but the chances of making the playoffs after a tie.
100% this. A win was not so much better than a tie. A loss was significantly worse, for playoff positioning. That's what shaped the strategy. I bet that they will not be so conservative the next time against Washington, when they need the win.
Daboll relies heavily on his analytics guys for game decisions I think. That's what that was. He even hinted at it in the postgame press conference:
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Q: Back to the fourth-and-3, you made that statement in the first game when you went for two. You were aggressive. Why not today?
A: Well, I think it's later in the season...
This too. +1
And you all were apparently not also paying attention to the current defensive formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. The other team gets paid too, and they are telling you by the defense they play what they are most worried about.
I know your position on Jones and I'm not going to argue one way or the other at this point.
But the nitpicking about individual throws has gotten a bit ridiculous. If Giants fans expect a cyborg to play QB for the Giants, it's not happening. Even the best QBs miss throws.
Personally, I find the ongoing thread on the Slayton drop very enlightening. The pretzel twisting by some on that thread is amazing.
Agree Sy that Barkley makes too many "business decisions"
Special talent, but pretty maddening as a runner.
And for all the avoiding contact, he still gets hurt. So it's not serving a purpose.
Daboll will need to learn from this.
Not sure how that’s relevant. Never said he had a bad game. But anyone who even remotely suggested they don’t fully trust him has been shot down as a moron on here, especially by a certain plump fellow.
Maybe the don't trust him, or the Oline or the RBs or the WRs or all of the above.
I do think it is time to move on, but he was easily the best player on offense Sunday.
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
This is spot on -- and is a very telling analysis. Daboll and Shoen have shown a propensity to say all the right things, and always state things as positively as they can about current players. They did that about Kadarius and then shot him out into the nether region.
I think that this is clearly what it appears to be. They are managing a tough situation, that they have already made the best of. If they need to keep Jones they don't want to have any words out there that will come back and bite them. But they have shown they can cut bait pretty quickly when the opportunity arises.
In my opinion there is no way Jones is the long term answer and they know it. When the right opportunity comes they will go for it. It will be sudden, swift, and decisive.
Ask yourself -- Do you trust Jones for three yards on 4th down when the chips are down and the real pressure is on, the same way you trusted Eli? In my view NFW.
This too +1
I love this kid….big, great hands, solid body….doesn’t look like he would be injured a lot like some of our other smaller fragile WRs (and that included Toney)
I guess what I'm saying is I will not be shocked if they keep Jones or let him walk.
I also wonder how the 2023 QB class impacts all of this. On the surface, the class does not appear to be as strong as once anticipated.
I feel exactly the same way. They didn't pick up Jones's fifth year option, but that was expected. They were both new, and needed to see him for themselves. And now he's dealing with a porous interior OL and the worst WRs in the league. His only deep threat likely would have been cut if he had not agreed to a pay cut. But the counter argument that he doesn't process quickly enough is also valid.
I don't think they will sign him to a long-term contract this offseason, but I could see a two year deal or even the FT. I agree that other options for QB will at least to some extent affect their decision and any offer.
Jones is the most polarizing player in the history of BBI IMO. And yet after four and a half years, I still don't know what they should do with him.
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Agree on Hodgins. What do you see his ceiling as? Could he be what McKenzie brings to Buffalo as a #3?
This too +1
I love this kid….big, great hands, solid body….doesn’t look like he would be injured a lot like some of our other smaller fragile WRs (and that included Toney)
That route he ran for the TD was so crisp it should be on tapes teaching kids how to play WR. Reminded me how Odell would run his short area routes.
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but I was telling my pals that a Brady/Rodgers/Mahomes/Allen put the team on their back at the end of a close or tied game and make the plays!
Look at Brady last night....3 points until 5 minutes left and then two masterful drives to beat the Saints with 2 Seconds Left!
That is what I am talking about!
That is the QB I want....of course, I don't want the same guy who only scored 3 points up to those last five minutes! LOL
So you want a young Tom Brady? OK.
Not to mention that 13 of the 21 targets on those final 2 drives were to Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, or Julio Jones.
That's easy for me to say however. If Saquon was traded by the deadline, and then the team went on its current downswing, the fan base would have blamed Schoen for wasting a playoff run.
No it is not that outrageous but neither is it definite. But that is Jones in a nutshell.
That's easy for me to say however. If Saquon was traded by the deadline, and then the team went on its current downswing, the fan base would have blamed Schoen for wasting a playoff run.
Yep, you just answered it. These vacuums aren’t made in a vacuum. Also, at that point they could have lost the locker room considering Saquon *IS* the offense.
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On whether they trust him or not, but them not trusting him is definitely not the outrageous claim some on here make it out to be.
No it is not that outrageous but neither is it definite. But that is Jones in a nutshell.
QB purgatory will drive us all insane.
I don't get it. I really don't.
Flawless if what you care about is completion percentage. It was very much a Chad Pennington performance. Short throws completed for a high percentage with few errors and little production.
I think many were hoping to see a lot more out of Jones. Based on what Sy wrote, the staff does not trust this passing game at all. That is not just about the WRs.
I really think that in critical situations they do not trust the interior OL and the WRs not the QB. I think even Barkley is giving them some pause
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and people still kick the shit out of him.
I don't get it. I really don't.
At the end of regulation when they had a chance to win, Jones threw three passes:
1. The first, he didn't lead Slayton towards the sideline. Should've been caught, but he gave the safety a chance to make a play on the ball.
2. The second, he threw an uncatchable ball and negated a possible pass interference call.
3. The third was almost picked off when he tried to squeeze it into tight coverage.
Jones' detractors protest too much I think, but Jones did not seize the win when given the chance. And it shows.
Your first point is just not true. He DID lead him towards the sidelines which is why he twisted in the air.
Point 2 is also wrong. Slayton ran a poor route that was too close to the sidelines and didn't give DJ any space to make the throw. It was a chronic problem that Manningham had, and Slayton made the same mistake.
Since you apparently watch video of other teams, do you consider Love a good bet to get a pro bowl nod at safety?
If you think the Giants have "JV WRs", wouldn't it make sense for Daboll to play the game more conservatively and be more selective when he chooses to press the accelerator?
I really think that in critical situations they do not trust the interior OLand the WRs not the QB. I think even Barkley is giving them some pause
I thought that was the case at the end of the first half. The play caller can tell the QB to throw the ball out of the end zone if nothing is wide open, but they can’t do anything about horrendous pass protection and risk a sack there.
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What is the point of playing the QB if you don’t believe in him. It would be much easier to find his replacement by losing and getting a better pick
I really think that in critical situations they do not trust the interior OLand the WRs not the QB. I think even Barkley is giving them some pause
I thought that was the case at the end of the first half. The play caller can tell the QB to throw the ball out of the end zone if nothing is wide open, but they can’t do anything about horrendous pass protection and risk a sack there.
They had a timeout and we’re at the 19 though. A sack keeps them in field goal range and they end up with the same result they did running him.
And you all were apparently not also paying attention to the current defensive formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. The other team gets paid too, and they are telling you by the defense they play what they are most worried about.
Exactly. This is why it occurred to me recently that without Daniel Jones as a RPO/scrambling threat, this entire offense is dead in the water.
No passing game means stuff Barkley and stop the Giants. Can give us the best 5 linemen in the NFL and they aren't going to make ground against 8-9 in the box.
When Jones runs, it helps run blocking for Barkley since less defenders are committed to him. This, in turn, opens up play action and our meager passing game.
When Jones is just a drop back passer, he's ineffectual. What % is him versus the 'receivers' will be infinitely debated.
That call to me was more questionable and more cowardly than not going for it on 4th and 3.
Point 2 is also wrong. Slayton ran a poor route that was too close to the sidelines and didn't give DJ any space to make the throw. It was a chronic problem that Manningham had, and Slayton made the same mistake.
Took Toomer until his 3rd season to learn that and how to shield the DB from the ball.