A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
I think the key is "when playing." Similar to Kadarius Toney there was smoke about whether Burks was committed to what was needed to be a successful NFL player. Owner seems to not be satisfied with just making it in because the other 3 teams in the AFC South suck.
The "when playing" piece is not really true either. He's had one 100 yard game, and averaged about 30 yards per game in his other 7 games.
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
Compounding the sickness is that Hurts may actually be their long-term QB solution. And they won't have to use a draft pick any time soon for anything other than a back-up.
RE: RE: Brown has been a game changer for the Eagles
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
You're going to give yourself an ulcer.
How are the Rangers making out with those top picks?
RE: RE: RE: Brown has been a game changer for the Eagles
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
Compounding the sickness is that Hurts may actually be their long-term QB solution. And they won't have to use a draft pick any time soon for anything other than a back-up.
They're going to have a top 10 pick this in April, and it just got better last night thanks to Tom Brady
weird with WRs. Besides Jefferson, probably the two, three, and four WRs in the NFL were traded as opposed to getting a new contract. The Titans were wrong to do so, but they were not exactly on an island. Roseman was right in that a first round pick was worth give up a chance to draft a cost-contained receiver for an expensive WR.
RE: RE: RE: Brown has been a game changer for the Eagles
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
Compounding the sickness is that Hurts may actually be their long-term QB solution. And they won't have to use a draft pick any time soon for anything other than a back-up.
Remember when we said Wentz was going to run the division for 10 years?
Things change.
The Eagles will have potential retirements, cuts, contract issues, players promoted to starters......nothing in the NFL is guaranteed.
Tennessee might be a good spot for Gettleman to continue mastering his craft. Their roster is okay, but need an upgrade at QB - a position Gettleman has always nailed.
who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
Also looks like Malik Willis is going to take longer to develop than they had hoped.
who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
The team has contended. No GM gets them all right. There are pretty much many junctures in which Philly could have gotten rid of Roseman for a colossal amount of errors. They did not and he learned. In this sport, executives are often impulsive to the point where you just cycle through guys. Roseman has been the GM since 2009, the Eagles have had plenty of ups and downs and the owner once sidelined him. I think the lesson of Roseman is either (1) the game is cyclical and a crapshoot AND/OR (2) the GM actually gains job experience that helps him.
Roseman literally failed in picking WRs for many, many drafts. Instead of failing again, he just decided to go use a first round pick for one. That experience had to have been born out of his past failures and learning from it. This guy in Tennessee has been undeniably successful. And now you are giving up 8 years of experience after you just resigned him in February to a new contract. I am not sure that seems like a great decision on my end.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading an alpha WR from a playoff team was a bad idea?
A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
I think the key is "when playing." Similar to Kadarius Toney there was smoke about whether Burks was committed to what was needed to be a successful NFL player. Owner seems to not be satisfied with just making it in because the other 3 teams in the AFC South suck.
The "when playing" piece is not really true either. He's had one 100 yard game, and averaged about 30 yards per game in his other 7 games.
Wait hold on... He was dinged up and missed a bunch of games, but when he came back he was finding his grove. He went 7 catches for 111, then 4 for 70, then he had a 25 yard TD against the Eagles before he got a concussion. You won't know how this trade shacks out for a few years. He has been hit with injuries but that could happen to anyone. Was it a good trade... not in my opinion as he should have got more. Lets make this what it is though. They couldn't agree on a contract and they traded him rather than lose him. So again was it a good trade... not in my opinion but was it fire worthy after being the #1 seed and 1st place in your division by 2.5 games? Come on man lets get real here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading an alpha WR from a playoff team was a bad idea?
who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
The team has contended. No GM gets them all right. There are pretty much many junctures in which Philly could have gotten rid of Roseman for a colossal amount of errors. They did not and he learned. In this sport, executives are often impulsive to the point where you just cycle through guys. Roseman has been the GM since 2009, the Eagles have had plenty of ups and downs and the owner once sidelined him. I think the lesson of Roseman is either (1) the game is cyclical and a crapshoot AND/OR (2) the GM actually gains job experience that helps him.
Roseman literally failed in picking WRs for many, many drafts. Instead of failing again, he just decided to go use a first round pick for one. That experience had to have been born out of his past failures and learning from it. This guy in Tennessee has been undeniably successful. And now you are giving up 8 years of experience after you just resigned him in February to a new contract. I am not sure that seems like a great decision on my end.
They have contended, correct. They're progressively getting worse, not better. They're close now, and their go for it moves have them backsliding. You can argue that it's premature sure, but the misses are big and frequent and it's going to cost them their window of opportunity. The coach is good enough. Sounds like he even wanted it this way.
The firing of GM Jon Robinson is just as big of a commitment to HC Mike Vrabel as it is an indictment of JRob.
#Titans owner Amy Adams Strunk is committed to empowering Vrabel and giving him a championship caliber roster. Chose her HC over her GM."
Howie Roseman also has a super bowl, which buys you years of benefit of the doubt.
Doesn't Robinson have a connection with Schoen? Pretty sure Schoen left a Senior FO position open this offseason too. Wouldn't be shocked to see him land here.
Doesn't Robinson have a connection with Schoen? Pretty sure Schoen left a Senior FO position open this offseason too. Wouldn't be shocked to see him land here.
A GM that has done as well record wise as he has will land as a GM somewhere.
RE: Trading an alpha WR from a playoff team was a bad idea?
You aint kidding. I had this exact thought this week while peaking at the philly game. WTF were the Titans doing here. You choose your spots with the cap and finances, and that spot aint it!
RE: RE: Trading an alpha WR from a playoff team was a bad idea?
A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
Philly STOLE Brown, salary and all. It was an awful trade.
A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
So true.
Too many here are more than happy to take lesser (YOUNGER) players at lesser salaries.
and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Tennessee might be a good spot for Gettleman to continue mastering his craft. Their roster is okay, but need an upgrade at QB - a position Gettleman has always nailed.
Ha! The only good spot for Gettleman is Del Boca Vista
and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
He can potentially add some WR talent as he watches is OL/front 7 be destroyed which has been the catalyst to that teams success.
What's not immediately obvious to people away from Tennessee is that the OL already isn't very good. They're run-heavy and that covers it up, but they let arguably their best player on OL go and botched the replacement.
and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
I didn't think it was the worst trade at the time, Brown looked very much like Hakeem Nicks. But that type of X receiver seems to have really opened up Philly offense and Hurts instead of throwing it to a bunch of smurfs.
Their Offensive Line right now is in shambles. It is injured and bad
They are not a good football team this year. The Eagles are ruining around like they beat the 2007 Patriots. The Eagles are a really good team, but its not like they have played great competition. Some of the AFC teams and the teams in the NFC West, like the Niners, have played really hard schedules.
He can potentially add some WR talent as he watches is OL/front 7 be destroyed which has been the catalyst to that teams success.
What's not immediately obvious to people away from Tennessee is that the OL already isn't very good. They're run-heavy and that covers it up, but they let arguably their best player on OL go and botched the replacement.
I don't doubt that it may be down this year. But during this GM's time the OL/front 7 has been the engine. Henry has been one of my favorite players going back to Bama days. I wonder if he may be slowing down a bit too. Playing his style is not easy and he is on I think year 6.
In addition to those fronts they have out up some really good secondary players.
They were able to get a solid QB but one that struggles like most when the offensive engine can't get the production. This happened last year in the playoffs and boom....3 picks.
you have to be very skeptical of their 7 wins.
They have beaten GB, Denver, Houston, Indy twice, Washington, and Vegas--all in close games. Only Washington has a winning record and that is some of the worst teams in the NFL.
They lost to us and Cincy at home and Philly and KC on the road.
Whatever they had done, after the AJ Brown trade, the trajectory of the team looked to be going south.
3 of their 5 losses have been by 4 points or less. I don't think you can say they are trending down. The Chiefs loss was by 3 with a back-up QB nonetheless. They are pretty much the same team as they were last year: well coached, run the ball, and grind out close games.
Tannehill has pretty much the same stats as last year without AJ Brown. They are one of the top 5 teams in the AFC along with Buffalo, KC, and Cincy. Maybe you can argue for a Miami and Balt with them.
Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
Tennessee might be a good spot for Gettleman to continue mastering his craft. Their roster is okay, but need an upgrade at QB - a position Gettleman has always nailed.
Ha! The only good spot for Gettleman is Del Boca Vista
Not true, he'd be a great fit in Dallas, Philadelphia or Washington.
Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading an alpha WR from a playoff team was a bad idea?
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
The owner is going to sign off on a trade 99% of the time. That is not the standard. The owner is not a football person, he or she relies on a football person to make this call. If it is a bad call, the owner is going to hold that against the person recommending it. Now, I think it is stupid to fire an executive in football over one bad move (and of course we do not know if that is all that it is), but just because the owner supported the GM and gave permission does not absolve the GM of blame.
Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
AJ's best season was when Corey Davis was with the Titans in 2020. Those guys combined for 2,000 yds receiving. That was also Tannehill's best statistical year. 2021 was a step back for him in terms of production. I think the bigger picture is they had a really good WR duo that became AJ Brown last year, and Burks this year. Just look at who Philly also has at WR other than Brown to make it harder to double.
Tannehill needs more weapons to prevent the box stacking against Henry. That's probably where the bigger failings have been.
and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
He’s not blowing up now, going into his last year in Tennessee there was major talk about him being a top 5 WR in the game and how he could post 1st round fantasy value. That’s exactly why the Julio Jones signing seemed so dangerous because who would you double?
Then he got injured, had average production, and the GM panicked.
The same argument you’re making for the trade is likely a similar argument that the GM made to get the trade approved. You’re judging the trade in theory when it should be judged in reality and if the theory isn’t based on reality then it’s likely outdated.
The Eagles have hit big twice already with oft-injured receivers. First Alshon Jeffery then AJ Brown, I’m sure others came before, imo they’ve done this by taking advantage of GM’s that have a bias against their own players that miss games.
What do you know, fans also show this same bias against their own players
Trending down…from last year when they were the #1 seed in the conference. Now, while still winning the division they have stepped back to too 5 in the AFC. The major difference being trading away a stud WR.
MEANWHILE the team that acquired said stud receiver has taken a massive step forward and is currently the #1 see in their conference.
I feel like the lesson to be learned is fairly obvious here. I get paying a WR 23 million is crazy. But that’s what the rate is these days. I don’t think Philly has buyers remorse
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A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
I think the key is "when playing." Similar to Kadarius Toney there was smoke about whether Burks was committed to what was needed to be a successful NFL player. Owner seems to not be satisfied with just making it in because the other 3 teams in the AFC South suck.
The "when playing" piece is not really true either. He's had one 100 yard game, and averaged about 30 yards per game in his other 7 games.
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
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he's worth every penny of $25 million/year
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
Compounding the sickness is that Hurts may actually be their long-term QB solution. And they won't have to use a draft pick any time soon for anything other than a back-up.
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he's worth every penny of $25 million/year
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
You're going to give yourself an ulcer.
How are the Rangers making out with those top picks?
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he's worth every penny of $25 million/year
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
Compounding the sickness is that Hurts may actually be their long-term QB solution. And they won't have to use a draft pick any time soon for anything other than a back-up.
They're going to have a top 10 pick this in April, and it just got better last night thanks to Tom Brady
i thought you were saying they wont have a pick, you were saying they wont have to use one
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he's worth every penny of $25 million/year
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
Howie Roseman is going to run away from GM of the year. He had as good of a year as I’ve ever seen. Made all the right moves, team will compete for a Super Bowl and may end up with a top-5 pick.
Makes me sick.
Compounding the sickness is that Hurts may actually be their long-term QB solution. And they won't have to use a draft pick any time soon for anything other than a back-up.
Remember when we said Wentz was going to run the division for 10 years?
Things change.
The Eagles will have potential retirements, cuts, contract issues, players promoted to starters......nothing in the NFL is guaranteed.
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
Also fire the guy who gave Roseman their phone number.
Well looks like its that time again, bbi rooting for the Eagles to win a SB 🤮
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who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
Also looks like Malik Willis is going to take longer to develop than they had hoped.
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who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
The team has contended. No GM gets them all right. There are pretty much many junctures in which Philly could have gotten rid of Roseman for a colossal amount of errors. They did not and he learned. In this sport, executives are often impulsive to the point where you just cycle through guys. Roseman has been the GM since 2009, the Eagles have had plenty of ups and downs and the owner once sidelined him. I think the lesson of Roseman is either (1) the game is cyclical and a crapshoot AND/OR (2) the GM actually gains job experience that helps him.
Roseman literally failed in picking WRs for many, many drafts. Instead of failing again, he just decided to go use a first round pick for one. That experience had to have been born out of his past failures and learning from it. This guy in Tennessee has been undeniably successful. And now you are giving up 8 years of experience after you just resigned him in February to a new contract. I am not sure that seems like a great decision on my end.
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A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
I think the key is "when playing." Similar to Kadarius Toney there was smoke about whether Burks was committed to what was needed to be a successful NFL player. Owner seems to not be satisfied with just making it in because the other 3 teams in the AFC South suck.
The "when playing" piece is not really true either. He's had one 100 yard game, and averaged about 30 yards per game in his other 7 games.
Wait hold on... He was dinged up and missed a bunch of games, but when he came back he was finding his grove. He went 7 catches for 111, then 4 for 70, then he had a 25 yard TD against the Eagles before he got a concussion. You won't know how this trade shacks out for a few years. He has been hit with injuries but that could happen to anyone. Was it a good trade... not in my opinion as he should have got more. Lets make this what it is though. They couldn't agree on a contract and they traded him rather than lose him. So again was it a good trade... not in my opinion but was it fire worthy after being the #1 seed and 1st place in your division by 2.5 games? Come on man lets get real here.
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Exactly, we won't know for years... long after Henry is past prime.
That's the point. Don't trade for the future when you are a win-now team.
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who was embarrassed about Sunday and overreacted and fired a good GM
Whiffed on Isiah Wilson, traded the QB's safety net and the draft pick intended to replace him is very much not helping the team. Let Jack Conklin go, offensive line is not good enough. Julio Jones move flopped. Dez Fitzpatrick flopped.
I dont blame the owner for having an opinion. This team is supposed to contend.
Wasting Henry's prime for this.
The team has contended. No GM gets them all right. There are pretty much many junctures in which Philly could have gotten rid of Roseman for a colossal amount of errors. They did not and he learned. In this sport, executives are often impulsive to the point where you just cycle through guys. Roseman has been the GM since 2009, the Eagles have had plenty of ups and downs and the owner once sidelined him. I think the lesson of Roseman is either (1) the game is cyclical and a crapshoot AND/OR (2) the GM actually gains job experience that helps him.
Roseman literally failed in picking WRs for many, many drafts. Instead of failing again, he just decided to go use a first round pick for one. That experience had to have been born out of his past failures and learning from it. This guy in Tennessee has been undeniably successful. And now you are giving up 8 years of experience after you just resigned him in February to a new contract. I am not sure that seems like a great decision on my end.
They have contended, correct. They're progressively getting worse, not better. They're close now, and their go for it moves have them backsliding. You can argue that it's premature sure, but the misses are big and frequent and it's going to cost them their window of opportunity. The coach is good enough. Sounds like he even wanted it this way.
The firing of GM Jon Robinson is just as big of a commitment to HC Mike Vrabel as it is an indictment of JRob.
#Titans owner Amy Adams Strunk is committed to empowering Vrabel and giving him a championship caliber roster. Chose her HC over her GM."
Howie Roseman also has a super bowl, which buys you years of benefit of the doubt.
Doesn't Robinson have a connection with Schoen? Pretty sure Schoen left a Senior FO position open this offseason too. Wouldn't be shocked to see him land here.
Doesn't Robinson have a connection with Schoen? Pretty sure Schoen left a Senior FO position open this offseason too. Wouldn't be shocked to see him land here.
A GM that has done as well record wise as he has will land as a GM somewhere.
You aint kidding. I had this exact thought this week while peaking at the philly game. WTF were the Titans doing here. You choose your spots with the cap and finances, and that spot aint it!
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A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
Philly STOLE Brown, salary and all. It was an awful trade.
It’ll be someone who knows Vrabel well imo.
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...Who knew?
A WR that would have also cost them 25+ million a year. Treylon Burks has been pretty good when playing and will probably be a good WR for the next 4 years at a cost control price. Seems weird to fire him over that.
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
So true.
Too many here are more than happy to take lesser (YOUNGER) players at lesser salaries.
DOGS DAMNIT. We need DOGS. And they aint cheap.
I wish we could say the same thing about Kenny Golladay's salary --
HE would have been just fine here if he fucking played like a solid starting WR, and he was that for most of his time in Det.
We didn't need Golladay to be AJ Brown. He just needed to be 80% of that. Instead we got nothing.
Shit trade.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
Roseman has not been GM since 2009. He has been in several power struggles and has had different roles and power struggles but is last man standing.
HE would have been just fine here if he fucking played like a solid starting WR, and he was that for most of his time in Det.
We didn't need Golladay to be AJ Brown. He just needed to be 80% of that. Instead we got nothing.
yes, 72 million dollars worth of nothing
but a guy can wish, can't he : )
What's not immediately obvious to people away from Tennessee is that the OL already isn't very good. They're run-heavy and that covers it up, but they let arguably their best player on OL go and botched the replacement.
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and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
I didn't think it was the worst trade at the time, Brown looked very much like Hakeem Nicks. But that type of X receiver seems to have really opened up Philly offense and Hurts instead of throwing it to a bunch of smurfs.
They are not a good football team this year. The Eagles are ruining around like they beat the 2007 Patriots. The Eagles are a really good team, but its not like they have played great competition. Some of the AFC teams and the teams in the NFC West, like the Niners, have played really hard schedules.
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He can potentially add some WR talent as he watches is OL/front 7 be destroyed which has been the catalyst to that teams success.
What's not immediately obvious to people away from Tennessee is that the OL already isn't very good. They're run-heavy and that covers it up, but they let arguably their best player on OL go and botched the replacement.
I don't doubt that it may be down this year. But during this GM's time the OL/front 7 has been the engine. Henry has been one of my favorite players going back to Bama days. I wonder if he may be slowing down a bit too. Playing his style is not easy and he is on I think year 6.
In addition to those fronts they have out up some really good secondary players.
They were able to get a solid QB but one that struggles like most when the offensive engine can't get the production. This happened last year in the playoffs and boom....3 picks.
They have beaten GB, Denver, Houston, Indy twice, Washington, and Vegas--all in close games. Only Washington has a winning record and that is some of the worst teams in the NFL.
They lost to us and Cincy at home and Philly and KC on the road.
Whatever they had done, after the AJ Brown trade, the trajectory of the team looked to be going south.
3 of their 5 losses have been by 4 points or less. I don't think you can say they are trending down. The Chiefs loss was by 3 with a back-up QB nonetheless. They are pretty much the same team as they were last year: well coached, run the ball, and grind out close games.
Tannehill has pretty much the same stats as last year without AJ Brown. They are one of the top 5 teams in the AFC along with Buffalo, KC, and Cincy. Maybe you can argue for a Miami and Balt with them.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
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Tennessee might be a good spot for Gettleman to continue mastering his craft. Their roster is okay, but need an upgrade at QB - a position Gettleman has always nailed.
Ha! The only good spot for Gettleman is Del Boca Vista
Not true, he'd be a great fit in Dallas, Philadelphia or Washington.
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Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
Agree. 6 years nine plus wins. 4 straight playoffs This year on pace again.
Some owner are more impatient than others you don't really see this type of record being let go too often.
Maybe more details surface.
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
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Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
The owner is going to sign off on a trade 99% of the time. That is not the standard. The owner is not a football person, he or she relies on a football person to make this call. If it is a bad call, the owner is going to hold that against the person recommending it. Now, I think it is stupid to fire an executive in football over one bad move (and of course we do not know if that is all that it is), but just because the owner supported the GM and gave permission does not absolve the GM of blame.
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Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
AJ's best season was when Corey Davis was with the Titans in 2020. Those guys combined for 2,000 yds receiving. That was also Tannehill's best statistical year. 2021 was a step back for him in terms of production. I think the bigger picture is they had a really good WR duo that became AJ Brown last year, and Burks this year. Just look at who Philly also has at WR other than Brown to make it harder to double.
Tannehill needs more weapons to prevent the box stacking against Henry. That's probably where the bigger failings have been.
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and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
He’s not blowing up now, going into his last year in Tennessee there was major talk about him being a top 5 WR in the game and how he could post 1st round fantasy value. That’s exactly why the Julio Jones signing seemed so dangerous because who would you double?
Then he got injured, had average production, and the GM panicked.
The same argument you’re making for the trade is likely a similar argument that the GM made to get the trade approved. You’re judging the trade in theory when it should be judged in reality and if the theory isn’t based on reality then it’s likely outdated.
The Eagles have hit big twice already with oft-injured receivers. First Alshon Jeffery then AJ Brown, I’m sure others came before, imo they’ve done this by taking advantage of GM’s that have a bias against their own players that miss games.
What do you know, fans also show this same bias against their own players
Trending down…from last year when they were the #1 seed in the conference. Now, while still winning the division they have stepped back to too 5 in the AFC. The major difference being trading away a stud WR.
MEANWHILE the team that acquired said stud receiver has taken a massive step forward and is currently the #1 see in their conference.
I feel like the lesson to be learned is fairly obvious here. I get paying a WR 23 million is crazy. But that’s what the rate is these days. I don’t think Philly has buyers remorse