They are not a good football team this year. The Eagles are ruining around like they beat the 2007 Patriots. The Eagles are a really good team, but its not like they have played great competition. Some of the AFC teams and the teams in the NFC West, like the Niners, have played really hard schedules.
He can potentially add some WR talent as he watches is OL/front 7 be destroyed which has been the catalyst to that teams success.
What's not immediately obvious to people away from Tennessee is that the OL already isn't very good. They're run-heavy and that covers it up, but they let arguably their best player on OL go and botched the replacement.
I don't doubt that it may be down this year. But during this GM's time the OL/front 7 has been the engine. Henry has been one of my favorite players going back to Bama days. I wonder if he may be slowing down a bit too. Playing his style is not easy and he is on I think year 6.
In addition to those fronts they have out up some really good secondary players.
They were able to get a solid QB but one that struggles like most when the offensive engine can't get the production. This happened last year in the playoffs and boom....3 picks.
you have to be very skeptical of their 7 wins.
They have beaten GB, Denver, Houston, Indy twice, Washington, and Vegas--all in close games. Only Washington has a winning record and that is some of the worst teams in the NFL.
They lost to us and Cincy at home and Philly and KC on the road.
Whatever they had done, after the AJ Brown trade, the trajectory of the team looked to be going south.
3 of their 5 losses have been by 4 points or less. I don't think you can say they are trending down. The Chiefs loss was by 3 with a back-up QB nonetheless. They are pretty much the same team as they were last year: well coached, run the ball, and grind out close games.
Tannehill has pretty much the same stats as last year without AJ Brown. They are one of the top 5 teams in the AFC along with Buffalo, KC, and Cincy. Maybe you can argue for a Miami and Balt with them.
Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
Tennessee might be a good spot for Gettleman to continue mastering his craft. Their roster is okay, but need an upgrade at QB - a position Gettleman has always nailed.
Ha! The only good spot for Gettleman is Del Boca Vista
Not true, he'd be a great fit in Dallas, Philadelphia or Washington.
Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading an alpha WR from a playoff team was a bad idea?
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
The owner is going to sign off on a trade 99% of the time. That is not the standard. The owner is not a football person, he or she relies on a football person to make this call. If it is a bad call, the owner is going to hold that against the person recommending it. Now, I think it is stupid to fire an executive in football over one bad move (and of course we do not know if that is all that it is), but just because the owner supported the GM and gave permission does not absolve the GM of blame.
Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
AJ's best season was when Corey Davis was with the Titans in 2020. Those guys combined for 2,000 yds receiving. That was also Tannehill's best statistical year. 2021 was a step back for him in terms of production. I think the bigger picture is they had a really good WR duo that became AJ Brown last year, and Burks this year. Just look at who Philly also has at WR other than Brown to make it harder to double.
Tannehill needs more weapons to prevent the box stacking against Henry. That's probably where the bigger failings have been.
and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
He’s not blowing up now, going into his last year in Tennessee there was major talk about him being a top 5 WR in the game and how he could post 1st round fantasy value. That’s exactly why the Julio Jones signing seemed so dangerous because who would you double?
Then he got injured, had average production, and the GM panicked.
The same argument you’re making for the trade is likely a similar argument that the GM made to get the trade approved. You’re judging the trade in theory when it should be judged in reality and if the theory isn’t based on reality then it’s likely outdated.
The Eagles have hit big twice already with oft-injured receivers. First Alshon Jeffery then AJ Brown, I’m sure others came before, imo they’ve done this by taking advantage of GM’s that have a bias against their own players that miss games.
What do you know, fans also show this same bias against their own players
Trending down…from last year when they were the #1 seed in the conference. Now, while still winning the division they have stepped back to too 5 in the AFC. The major difference being trading away a stud WR.
MEANWHILE the team that acquired said stud receiver has taken a massive step forward and is currently the #1 see in their conference.
I feel like the lesson to be learned is fairly obvious here. I get paying a WR 23 million is crazy. But that’s what the rate is these days. I don’t think Philly has buyers remorse
They are not a good football team this year. The Eagles are ruining around like they beat the 2007 Patriots. The Eagles are a really good team, but its not like they have played great competition. Some of the AFC teams and the teams in the NFC West, like the Niners, have played really hard schedules.
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He can potentially add some WR talent as he watches is OL/front 7 be destroyed which has been the catalyst to that teams success.
What's not immediately obvious to people away from Tennessee is that the OL already isn't very good. They're run-heavy and that covers it up, but they let arguably their best player on OL go and botched the replacement.
I don't doubt that it may be down this year. But during this GM's time the OL/front 7 has been the engine. Henry has been one of my favorite players going back to Bama days. I wonder if he may be slowing down a bit too. Playing his style is not easy and he is on I think year 6.
In addition to those fronts they have out up some really good secondary players.
They were able to get a solid QB but one that struggles like most when the offensive engine can't get the production. This happened last year in the playoffs and boom....3 picks.
They have beaten GB, Denver, Houston, Indy twice, Washington, and Vegas--all in close games. Only Washington has a winning record and that is some of the worst teams in the NFL.
They lost to us and Cincy at home and Philly and KC on the road.
Whatever they had done, after the AJ Brown trade, the trajectory of the team looked to be going south.
3 of their 5 losses have been by 4 points or less. I don't think you can say they are trending down. The Chiefs loss was by 3 with a back-up QB nonetheless. They are pretty much the same team as they were last year: well coached, run the ball, and grind out close games.
Tannehill has pretty much the same stats as last year without AJ Brown. They are one of the top 5 teams in the AFC along with Buffalo, KC, and Cincy. Maybe you can argue for a Miami and Balt with them.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
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Tennessee might be a good spot for Gettleman to continue mastering his craft. Their roster is okay, but need an upgrade at QB - a position Gettleman has always nailed.
Ha! The only good spot for Gettleman is Del Boca Vista
Not true, he'd be a great fit in Dallas, Philadelphia or Washington.
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Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
Agree. 6 years nine plus wins. 4 straight playoffs This year on pace again.
Some owner are more impatient than others you don't really see this type of record being let go too often.
Maybe more details surface.
Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
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Brown is one of the best in the game….this mentality is why we suck. You need dogs to win. Brown is an absolutely Animal. I’m taking brown for 25 mil over burks every day of week. Brown is a major reason eagles are so good. It was a steal of a trade and quite frankly gm should have been fired then LOL
The idea that a GM would make this trade without the owner signing off on it is ridiculous. The owner OWNS the trade as much as the GM does even if that GM talked him into it.
The owner is going to sign off on a trade 99% of the time. That is not the standard. The owner is not a football person, he or she relies on a football person to make this call. If it is a bad call, the owner is going to hold that against the person recommending it. Now, I think it is stupid to fire an executive in football over one bad move (and of course we do not know if that is all that it is), but just because the owner supported the GM and gave permission does not absolve the GM of blame.
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Trading AJ brown like that might have slammed their title window closed. Too many draft busts too. Isiah Wilson one of them. Blown first round picks.
The AJ Brown trade did nothing to their window, the Burks move was a lateral move at best. Look at AJ's stats in TEN compared to Burks so far. Pretty similar. It's jsut a function of the different offesnive philosphies that AJ is doing better in Philly than TEN. He would never have that success in TEN under the current regime.
TEN's cap goes up $80M next year as currently stands, so you can make the argument that signing Brown to a long term deal over getting a cost controlled guy like Burks would have hurt their competiveness going forward, not helped it.
Doesn't mean the GM didn't need to go, but the Brown trade, IMO, is towards the bottom of the list.
I gotta disagree here. This team is going to be defined by their postseason success and you can't discount the value of a game-changing player in December and playoff football.
They're significantly more easily defendable without him. AJ Brown is good enough to add a dangerous 'chaotic' element to a single-elimination tournament.
AJ's best season was when Corey Davis was with the Titans in 2020. Those guys combined for 2,000 yds receiving. That was also Tannehill's best statistical year. 2021 was a step back for him in terms of production. I think the bigger picture is they had a really good WR duo that became AJ Brown last year, and Burks this year. Just look at who Philly also has at WR other than Brown to make it harder to double.
Tannehill needs more weapons to prevent the box stacking against Henry. That's probably where the bigger failings have been.
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and Beckham was hurt. Plus, the more we got back was even better than we think because we got a pretty high first rounder back, sure as fuck higher than Philly's slot. going back to the tits.
Shit trade.
We got slightly more for Beckham and look how that turned out for Cleveland. Plus Beckham was a way better player at the time we traded him. He had monster years. AJ Brown had two barely 1000 yard seasons and under 900 last year in 13 games. Highest catch total was only 70. He is blowing up now and people are freaking out, but to pay 25 million for a WRs who best season was 70 catches for 1075 yards... Lets not make it out like he was OBJ before the trade. He has really blown up this year though so the trade looks worse. Again it wasn't a good trade, but fired for it? Not so sure on that.
He’s not blowing up now, going into his last year in Tennessee there was major talk about him being a top 5 WR in the game and how he could post 1st round fantasy value. That’s exactly why the Julio Jones signing seemed so dangerous because who would you double?
Then he got injured, had average production, and the GM panicked.
The same argument you’re making for the trade is likely a similar argument that the GM made to get the trade approved. You’re judging the trade in theory when it should be judged in reality and if the theory isn’t based on reality then it’s likely outdated.
The Eagles have hit big twice already with oft-injured receivers. First Alshon Jeffery then AJ Brown, I’m sure others came before, imo they’ve done this by taking advantage of GM’s that have a bias against their own players that miss games.
What do you know, fans also show this same bias against their own players
Trending down…from last year when they were the #1 seed in the conference. Now, while still winning the division they have stepped back to too 5 in the AFC. The major difference being trading away a stud WR.
MEANWHILE the team that acquired said stud receiver has taken a massive step forward and is currently the #1 see in their conference.
I feel like the lesson to be learned is fairly obvious here. I get paying a WR 23 million is crazy. But that’s what the rate is these days. I don’t think Philly has buyers remorse