Tom Dierberger
Tue, December 6, 2022 at 11:30 AM
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“We kind of said, Hey, let’s keep this between us.' I was a little upset that the numbers came out," Judge told Sean Gregory of TIME Magazine. "I understand it’s a negotiation tactic. Put pressure on me. Turn the fans against me, turn the media on me.
"That part of it I didn’t like."
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Wow.
Wow.
This was based on his offer from last year. Not the current one on the table.
Oh yeah, everyfuckingbody.
I truly hope I’m wrong about this, but Hal and Cashman fucking this up seems more likely by the day.
You know that how?
It may be true, but where did you get that?
It makes no sense for Judge's camp to leak that. It essentially is scaring off other teams from even making an offer, since according to the anonymous source it likely would be matched.
IMO, that leak was clearing from the Yankees, to scare off other teams and to preemptively save face if Judge actually does sign elsewhere.
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You know that how?
It may be true, but where did you get that?
This is not the first time I have said this, go back and look at the Yankees threads during the season. I know somebody close to the Judge circle. I would not expect you to believe that based on today but go back and look at my past posts on this matter during the season.
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You know that how?
It may be true, but where did you get that?
This is not the first time I have said this, go back and look at the Yankees threads during the season. I know somebody close to the Judge circle. I would not expect you to believe that based on today but go back and look at my past posts on this matter during the season.
I absolutely believe it. Not sure if anyone else seen Yankees Hot Stove last night but they had Cashman on from the winter meetings. They asked him if he had a meeting scheduled with Judge since he’s supposed to be arriving on Tuesday and Cashman said they had nothing scheduled and actually didn’t even know Judge would be in town. He said he found out from the same media reports everyone else seen.
That cannot be a good thing that Judge is going to meet with teams and didn’t even bother to tell Cashman
Yeah but that's still a weak "CYA with the fanbase" move. And if Judge ultimately leaves, I bet that turns out to be a big part of it.
Well, the Yankees giving Cashman his 4 year deal before Judge signs anywhere is either a power play by Hal/Cashman ahead of signing Judge (ie- we might give you 9 years & $350M, but Cashman isn't going anywhere) or an extremely dumb move if that is the thing which makes Judge bail to SF.
The other part, per your note above, Judge going to San Diego without telling the Yankees, and if he does sign back with them, could be his own way of giving Cashman the finger. But in the end, it's all a business and he will make the business decision based on $$. I just can't see the Yankees getting outbid for him when it comes down to it.
He's going home.
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Giants offer is in the 360M range, I would have to get 9/360, 10/360
He's going home.
He’s signing withTampa Bay?
That is a stupid number for SF to advance. And that stadium is not an easy HR stadium. But $40 mill per is not far from what people expected.
It makes no sense for Judge's camp to leak that. It essentially is scaring off other teams from even making an offer, since according to the anonymous source it likely would be matched.
IMO, that leak was clearing from the Yankees, to scare off other teams and to preemptively save face if Judge actually does sign elsewhere. Link - ( New Window )
You can look at it the other way. Why would the Yankees want to let other teams know 2hat they are offering.
Not the Yankees M.O., Brian Trashman's
Right there with you. My 7 yr old son will need therapy. He idolizes judge.
- Yankees sign Carlos Rodon, he immediately regresses back to the 4 ERA a year pitcher he was and only pitches half the season because he's always hurt
- Trade for Bryan Reynolds and he is another Aaron Hicks
- Throw a ton of money at Correa which stunts the growth of Peraza and Volpe. Correa is not as good as advertised. They realize Bogarts should have been the target almost immediately.
This seems like a typical Trashman route to go.
George would have used a big/long deal to his PR advantage.
Hal seems to be the opposite. He isn't the Wilpons by any stretch, but he seems to not see the enjoyment/benefit of signing the splashy guy and then go on a publicity tour!
George loved the spotlight and Judge is the guy pointing the light. George would step in and Hal seems to avoid it.
Weird.
[quote] Either can easily be moved over to 3rd. [/quote
F that I don’t want Houston and Red Sox retreads. Let the kids play!
I believe he ends up between $350 Million - $400 Million. And could easily see him as baseball’s first $400 Million Man.
Ruppert took the occasion of Gehrig’s signing to blast DiMaggio in the press. “DiMaggio is an ungrateful young man and very unfair to his teammates, to say the least. He wants $40,000 and I’ve offered $25,000, and he won’t get a button over that amount. Why, how many young men earn that much? As far as I’m concerned, that’s all he’s worth to the ballclub, and if he doesn’t sign we’ll win the pennant without him.”
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hard to choose between $300M and $320M
I believe he ends up between $350 Million - $400 Million. And could easily see him as baseball’s first $400 Million Man.
It's been reported he already has been offered 360 by NYG over 9 years and that he's looking for 10 years, so he may reach 400 (but likely won't).
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hard to choose between $300M and $320M
I believe he ends up between $350 Million - $400 Million. And could easily see him as baseball’s first $400 Million Man.
It's been reported he already has been offered 360 by NYG over 9 years and that he's looking for 10 years, so he may reach 400 (but likely won't).
He’d be a better WR than anything we have
Boegarts isn’t moving; Boras already made that clear.
George would have used a big/long deal to his PR advantage.
Hal seems to be the opposite. He isn't the Wilpons by any stretch, but he seems to not see the enjoyment/benefit of signing the splashy guy and then go on a publicity tour!
George loved the spotlight and Judge is the guy pointing the light. George would step in and Hal seems to avoid it.
Weird.
Can we stop with the What George would do. George didn’t have a luxury tax to deal with. He also really didn’t have to compete with a lot of teams. As I have said before. When George was suspended there was a standing ovation at the stadium.
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...some here thinks Judge's agent leaked the Yankees offer, but why would Judge's agent leak that the Yankees are "poised to increase depending on how much the San Francisco Giants (or other suitors, like the Los Angeles Dodgers) are willing to spend"?
It makes no sense for Judge's camp to leak that. It essentially is scaring off other teams from even making an offer, since according to the anonymous source it likely would be matched.
IMO, that leak was clearing from the Yankees, to scare off other teams and to preemptively save face if Judge actually does sign elsewhere. Link - ( New Window )
You can look at it the other way. Why would the Yankees want to let other teams know 2hat they are offering.
Other teams are going to know anyway. Because Judge's agent KNOWS what the Yankees have offered and can use that information even if it was never leaked.
The leak, IMO, is a PR maneuver from the Yankees. I think they know they aren't going to spend what it takes to keep him, so they put this number out there for the world to see that they did their best.
I think Judge will be in a Giants uniform next April at Yankee Stadium.
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Either can easily be moved over to 3rd.
Boegarts isn’t moving; Boras already made that clear.
yeah, he just said none of the teams in on him have discussed him anywhere but SS.
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Either can easily be moved over to 3rd.
Boegarts isn’t moving; Boras already made that clear.
Boras lol. The constant negotiator. "Bogarts isn't moving" simply means if you want Bogarts to move pony up...
Haven't you heard, Xander isn't moving. The guy who has a direct financial interest in how big a contract Xander gets said so.
Ellsbury 2.0 in Nimmo?
At least Xander is a good player. I can only speak for myself, but if they let Judge walk, then I’m gonna have to take a break from this team that I’ve loved my entire life. One of the 5 most valuable franchises in professional sports can’t be losing their best player because of money or the fucking luxury tax. On top of that, only an idiot would trust Brian Cashman to use the money not spent on Judge to build a highly competitive team. He’s the same guy that gave Jacoby Ellsbury that idiotic contract.
IN any case, the Yanks are doing their very best to annoy their fan base. Why release anything? WTF value does it hold to tell the world how much you offer? You can always release a statement saying "we made our best offer but he ditched us" and move on.
I don't get this shit at all.
IN any case, the Yanks are doing their very best to annoy their fan base. Why release anything? WTF value does it hold to tell the world how much you offer? You can always release a statement saying "we made our best offer but he ditched us" and move on.
I don't get this shit at all.
Because, there are Yankee fans that think the Yankees should sign Judge no matter the years or amount it is.
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let alone this kind of shit with negotiations, but that's me. Aint my business how much a player gets.
IN any case, the Yanks are doing their very best to annoy their fan base. Why release anything? WTF value does it hold to tell the world how much you offer? You can always release a statement saying "we made our best offer but he ditched us" and move on.
I don't get this shit at all.
Because, there are Yankee fans that think the Yankees should sign Judge no matter the years or amount it is.
So what? What value does it hold to release specifics? Shit, no one believes half the shit they read these days anyway.
Don't say shit. IF he walks, you release a statement on what u offered then or even just be vague and say we make a top line offer. Or say we offered 340 million, why now? IKt accomplishes nothing.
These franchises in all sports put way too much stock on what the fans think or media prints. WHo the fuck cares.
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let alone this kind of shit with negotiations, but that's me. Aint my business how much a player gets.
IN any case, the Yanks are doing their very best to annoy their fan base. Why release anything? WTF value does it hold to tell the world how much you offer? You can always release a statement saying "we made our best offer but he ditched us" and move on.
I don't get this shit at all.
Because, there are Yankee fans that think the Yankees should sign Judge no matter the years or amount it is.
40 mil x 10 years is not an unreasonable offer for Judge. Stop fucking around and put it on the table. I'll make another prediction. Judge will be more useful in the last year of his contract than Cole will be in his last year.
And who’s kidding who? Bogarts aren’t coming to the Yanks not because of Peraza and Volpe, but because of IKF!!!
Is this confirmed? Wow, I wonder how many terrible contracts Cashman will saddle the Yankees with now? Of course, probably at the SS position just so we can best allocate our resources!!
He wanted a higher AAV than Trout, my guess is, it is most likely a 9/350-360 range...with a 10th year option.
That's just an educated guess on my part. I had a feeling that if he didn't sign with the Yanks by the end of the winter meetings, he was on to SF. So it might be sooner...
but he's gone. I doubt Bogey would sign with the Yankees,
and catch abuse in Beantown the rest of his career. I just don't see it. I don't think the Yanks have an interest in
Dansby, say it Dansby Swanson, not sure he could handle playing in New York either. You recall McCann, another guy from Georgia, who really didn't handle playing here too well.
I have a sneaky feeling that Swanson might be in the same boat.