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Its The Interior Offensive Line

I_Believe_In_Eli : 12/6/2022 3:13 pm
I think the interior offensive line is the main reason for the conservative playcalling and overall game strategy. When every single drop back pass from under center results in either a pressure or sacks (especially this last stretch of games), there is not much a coach can do but play conservatively. There is only so many times you can take a negative play because they kill the drive.

For better or worse, until the interior line gets much better at pass protection, we are stuck with every pass being relatively short and needing play action, shotgun, or rpo for pass protection.

For those who watch film play-by-play, what do you see? I haven't seen an under center non-play-action pass not result in a sack or heavy pressure for a while.
Find a real Center and he can support one Guard. Ezeudu will be the  
chick310 : 12/6/2022 3:19 pm : link
other Guard after he gets over his rookie injuries.

Find a real Center. It’s time.
Gates WAS  
Dave on the UWS : 12/6/2022 3:23 pm : link
a real center ( until his injury). He was developing into one of the better graded centers in the league. Since his return, he doesn’t look back at that level. He did poorly at guard this week.
During the game when they did the game breaks  
GIANTS128 : 12/6/2022 3:27 pm : link
for the Eagles TDs all I saw was a QB with all day to throw.
Im on the fence with Jones but its not a stretch to say a better Oline wouldnt make him look better.
RE: Gates WAS  
g56blue10 : 12/6/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15936010 Dave on the UWS said:
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a real center ( until his injury). He was developing into one of the better graded centers in the league. Since his return, he doesn’t look back at that level. He did poorly at guard this week.


He’s probably not back at pre injury level but he looked good in his start at center. This past week at LG was not good
RE: Gates WAS  
chick310 : 12/6/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15936010 Dave on the UWS said:
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a real center ( until his injury). He was developing into one of the better graded centers in the league. Since his return, he doesn’t look back at that level. He did poorly at guard this week.


He’s at best a bridge to a Center. A great achiever and a nice story but too many overstate his status.

Need to upgrade and invest in the position. It’s time.
RE: During the game when they did the game breaks  
Payasdaddy : 12/6/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15936022 GIANTS128 said:
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for the Eagles TDs all I saw was a QB with all day to throw.
Im on the fence with Jones but its not a stretch to say a better Oline wouldnt make him look better.


Jones may not be top 10 but how the heck can u expect anything out of him with crap IOL and 3rd string wrs?
we think bellinger a godsend but he really is just an average TE that looks good because everyone else stinks
Gates at Center, Ezeudu and Brednesen at Guard  
edavisiii : 12/6/2022 3:48 pm : link
Is the best IOL. They have never been healthy together.
RE: Find a real Center and he can support one Guard. Ezeudu will be the  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/6/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15935999 chick310 said:
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other Guard after he gets over his rookie injuries.

Find a real Center. It’s time.


Rookie injuries is like a new Giants tradition.
Glowinski got his shit pushed in  
dancing blue bear : 12/6/2022 3:58 pm : link
Against Washington. It was bad. No movement I. The run and he got absolutely smoked on pass plays. Very quick pressure.

Gates was not great at guard. He has struggled with wash front in the past (they are studs) but his height is a disadvantage in those matchups as well


Felatio was fine at center In this game tho I would love to see him replaced by gates.

Certainly IOL explains SOME of the thought process end of 1st half. Because of wasted time outs a sack would cost the giants any points. The James play was a terrible spot. And as mentioned glowinski was getting beaten fast.

Glowinski's banged up.  
mittenedman : 12/6/2022 4:10 pm : link
Try blocking DaRon Payne with a bad back. That can't be fun.

That said, it's hard to argue that the interior OL isn't killing the team. It's crazy they've been this incompetent for this long.

Even bad OLs hold up some of the time. The Giants OL seems to cave in every single time they try a dropback throw. Immediately. Hard to believe a group of NFL players being coached for months can't do better than that, but it's been going on for 10 years.
And in keeping with Giants tradition  
BillT : 12/6/2022 4:19 pm : link
The RG that might have been ready for next season, missed the entire year being on IR. On to plan B.
Draft Oluwatimi from Michigan in the 4th  
RCPhoenix : 12/6/2022 4:31 pm : link
Assuming he lasts that long.
RE: Find a real Center and he can support one Guard. Ezeudu will be the  
M.S. : 12/6/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15935999 chick310 said:
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other Guard after he gets over his rookie injuries.

Find a real Center. It’s time.

Amen to this! And I have zero problem taking one in first round if the value is there and then worry about WR on Day 2.
Gates best position by far has been center  
kelly : 12/6/2022 5:13 pm : link
He was never above average at guard or tackle.

I've said it before I'll say it again why can we not try Phillips at right guard now that Neal is back. How much worse could he be than Glow?

Phillips is actually our third best O lineman. Which may not be great but better than anyone else.
Cooper Bebe. Kansas St  
Earl the goat : 12/6/2022 5:47 pm : link
Would be a perfect second round pick. Put him at RG next to Neal
Play Ezeudu at LG. Gates or FA center
It’s not just the interior Oline  
Breeze_94 : 12/6/2022 6:03 pm : link
Look around the league- there’s a number of teams out there with worse IOL who are still running something that resembles an NFL offense (SF, CIN, Miami for starters)

The issue is the receivers. They aren’t winning. They aren’t trusted to win. If you call plays that rely on them separating from man coverage, you are going to put the offense in a bad position.

Slayton is a good #3, Hodgins a decent #4/#5 guy. Richie James a back of the roster guy. Golladay, Sills and Johnson are less than NFL caliber. You cannot design and execute an NFL passing attack with a revolving door of Jags and practice squad elevations at WR and TE.

The IOL not being great just adds to this problem- now we have these shitty receivers who have even less time to get open.
I agree with the thread.  
Joe Beckwith : 12/6/2022 6:15 pm : link
I’ve posted at least twice that we need a C, and some between EZ, McKethan, and a draft pick or FA to take the 2 G spots.
A young OL, give AT his $$ when due, and 3 solid years with the same OL.
Gates didnt come out of the gate  
Dankbeerman : 12/6/2022 7:04 pm : link
great at C either. took him time to get to where he was pre injury.



I doubt they draft an OC  
David B. : 12/6/2022 7:32 pm : link
The Giants need to draft a couple of starting calibre OGs, or acquire them via FA. Then cross train them to be able to play OC.

They fixed the OTs (barring injury).

Now. Broken record. Now they have to fix the interior. Until they do that, you could put Mahommes back there and still not succeed.

Plus, they need 3 WRs who are better than Slayton. Where one of them isn't 30, coming off 2 ACLs, and an attention-seeking knob.
You nailed it with this post.  
Since1965 : 12/6/2022 7:46 pm : link
But, one thing they should do is the few times when they have a second and short, look for a big play down field with a play action pass. Instead, they run the ball and keep plodding along.
Roll out  
stoneman : 12/6/2022 8:45 pm : link
A rolling pocket is the answer to an overwhelming pass rush.
RE: Glowinski got his shit pushed in  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15936076 dancing blue bear said:
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Felatio was fine




No ones gonna react to this?
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