Cano #2...Yes I am vested as a diehard but if he leaves I wish him the best but really think he will be sorry....have to respect his choice whatever it is...
RE: RE: RE: Certainly not official, but who would be surprised?
Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
They didn’t “let” he wants to go to San Fran. You’re acting like yanks offered him $14 a game
I’m stunned that Hal and Cashman still have people willing to make excuses for them.
LOL who is defending them? I simply said we are making offers. We aren’t letting him walk. I don’t like the way Cashman has constructed roster I was ready to fire him
if the reporting earlier on the NYY vs SFG offers, SFG came in a little higher so to that extent the Yankees "let" him go. But if that were the only stumbling block, it could be worked out. It looks like Judge wanted to go home to the Bay Area. Like deGrom, he wanted to leave NYC. There's only so much that the team can do in that situation.
I think this situation is unprecedented in Yankee history, though, isn't it? SFG doing to the Yankees what the Yankees have been doing to other teams since the dawn of free agency. And never mind that it's the reigning MVP and the Yankees' face of the franchise.
RE: If he leaves it is becasue he wanted to go all along
Cano #2...Yes I am vested as a diehard but if he leaves I wish him the best but really think he will be sorry....have to respect his choice whatever it is...
I don’t understand this POV. Do you think that he leaves if they offer him the most money or years? It’s possible, but highly unlikely. If you truly want a player, you have to put your money where your mouth is. They did it with Gerrit Cole.
Have said it before. The Giants are his childhood team. How many of you if you were a mlb player playing in Seattle and your childhood team offers you a shiny load of money, you wouldn’t go to your childhood team.
Cano #2...Yes I am vested as a diehard but if he leaves I wish him the best but really think he will be sorry....have to respect his choice whatever it is...
I don’t understand this POV. Do you think that he leaves if they offer him the most money or years? It’s possible, but highly unlikely. If you truly want a player, you have to put your money where your mouth is. They did it with Gerrit Cole.
So what is your jumping off point? How much is too much? Whatever they pay him is going to directly affect what they can do with the rest of the roster for the next decade. So what’s your limit?
Also, if he leaves how do you know it wasn’t his intention all along? It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to connect all the dots dating back to this past offseason that he may just prefer to go back to Cali. I can’t stand Cashman either, but blaming him right now before we have any details whatsoever is amateur hour. Let alone the fact he hasn’t even officially left yet…
So if the Giants are still at $360m I don’t think Cashman lets him leave over $20 million. If he leaves it’s because the number was insane or because he wanted to.
RE: Certainly not official, but who would be surprised?
Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
You're pissed about paying Stanton less than $27 million a year till he's 38 but you're okay with paying Judge $40 million till he's 40 or 41? That's logical.
if the reporting earlier on the NYY vs SFG offers, SFG came in a little higher so to that extent the Yankees "let" him go. But if that were the only stumbling block, it could be worked out. It looks like Judge wanted to go home to the Bay Area. Like deGrom, he wanted to leave NYC. There's only so much that the team can do in that situation.
I think this situation is unprecedented in Yankee history, though, isn't it? SFG doing to the Yankees what the Yankees have been doing to other teams since the dawn of free agency. And never mind that it's the reigning MVP and the Yankees' face of the franchise.
Maybe not to the same extent just because of the season Judge just had but Cano was a similar caliber player if you remove the 2022 season from Judge’s resume and Cano left at the same age. They also lost Clemens and Pettite to Houston in FA, Reggie Jackson once upon a time and I’m sure there’s a couple of others I’m forgetting.
RE: RE: Certainly not official, but who would be surprised?
Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
You're pissed about paying Stanton less than $27 million a year till he's 38 but you're okay with paying Judge $40 million till he's 40 or 41? That's logical.
Are you struggling to understand that one of those players is significantly better than the other at the time these decisions were made?
If true, my guess is he has no confidence in Cashman...
So if the Giants are still at $360m I don’t think Cashman lets him leave over $20 million. If he leaves it’s because the number was insane or because he wanted to.
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How do you know the Yanks went up to 340 Mill.?
I didn't hear that from anyone (yet).
Yeah cuz hes gonna be relying on Nissan of Smithtown commercials to keep the lights on.
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The top players in sports can play almost anywhere and still get crazy advertisement money. They're global. It's the lesser tiered players where a bigger market probably helps.
Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
No quarrel with paying Stanton. Frankly, I don't care how much the Yankees need to pay in luxury tax or salaries.
Cashman blew it when he didn't sign Judge to a long term contract and buy out his arbitration years after his first or second season in the majors when he already had a 52 home run season under his belt as the Angels did with Trout. Instead, he let Judge go to arbitration and then let him walk into free agency. At best, this idiot cost his employer at least a hundred million dollars and at worst lost a valuable asset that put ticket holders in the seat.
So if the Giants are still at $360m I don’t think Cashman lets him leave over $20 million. If he leaves it’s because the number was insane or because he wanted to.
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How do you know the Yanks went up to 340 Mill.?
I didn't hear that from anyone (yet).
That’s the number that’s been floating around and Kay said they upped it.
if it plays out this way. While I thought Judge would come back, I wouldn't be shocked if he goes to SF.
What I await is what kind of dumb, reactionary move the Yankees make to quell the PR hit as they start asking fans to re-up their season tix packages (good luck!). So that means going after any other big name around, preferably to take from the Red Sox or Mets because that's how they will try to handle the back page.
Honestly, the only real move that they would make which would get attention is to empty the farm for Ohtani.
If Judge does leave, everything is on the table because the Yankees will act like a wounded animal w/ Hal and Cashman trying to change perception. No one is going to accept a rebuild and wait for the kids when they are spending all that money on Cole, Stanton and friends.
Are you struggling to understand that one of those players is significantly better than the other at the time these decisions were made?
Stanton was 27 and coming off a 59 HR season. I'm not sure the above is true.
Judge was a better fielder and a far superior baserunner despite being several years older. Aaron Judge finished 4th in the MVP voting last season. Stanton, OTOH, had two injury plagued seasons prior to winning that MVP. In the 6 seasons prior to the decisions, Judge had a WAR of 36 compared to Stanton’s 27.
Stanton obviously wasn’t a bum, but Judge was a significantly better player at the time these decisions needed to be made. It’s difficult for me to believe that the same guys who traded for Stanton with that contract (even with the Marlins kicking in 30 million) are now going to be worried about what they’re paying someone in their late 30s.
Why would he want to stay? I'm not being a dick. He seems to have been annoyed at how the Yankees have handled this. If it is true he doesn't like Cashman and you just saw Cash get extended for 4 more years, then that can't be good.
As a Yankees fan, we are all annoyed at the inflexible approach to their analytics. The Yankees can spend more than probably every other team. Yet, they continually make the same mistakes every year.
Does anybody feel confident of the Yanks putting together a legit championship team? How many times do we need to see our bats fail us against top notch pitching. How many years have to pass where the Yanks say that strikeouts are the sams as every other out? The philosophy is not changing. I'm sure we'll be a very good team but be a team that always gets bounced in the playoffs.
he leaves.
It is a lot of things...money, lifestyle(just got married), perceived slight vs Cashman and fans, more comfortable in Cali.
If he is pissed at getting booed, he is pretty thin skinned - the guy was putrid at the plate and I am certain he was disappointed. Booing is part of the game.
But I would not be surprised that it is easier to raise a family in SF than in NYC.
It’s very strange. I’m a huge Yankee fan and a huge Judge fan. But I’m finding myself not caring as much as I thought I would about the idea of him leaving. This team needs much more than Aaron Judge to win a title. And paying him a massive deal is undoubtedly going to hamstring them going forward.
This is different than Bernie Williams to me. They were already a championship team when they almost lost Bernie. That would have knocked the legs off a championship roster and really hurt. They aren’t a championship roster with Judge at the contract he was playing at for the past few years. It’s only going to be worse at $40M a year.
they would have given a strong offer up front. Judge would have been a done deal, and not for any more than the last offer. I truly believe they felt crazy money was too much for a 31 year old. They play this "almost" game to appease the fans. The Yanks front office is ready to move on.
It’s very strange. I’m a huge Yankee fan and a huge Judge fan. But I’m finding myself not caring as much as I thought I would about the idea of him leaving.
Same here, I just wish I had more faith in the organization to pivot to a good plan B.
It’s very strange. I’m a huge Yankee fan and a huge Judge fan. But I’m finding myself not caring as much as I thought I would about the idea of him leaving. This team needs much more than Aaron Judge to win a title. And paying him a massive deal is undoubtedly going to hamstring them going forward.
This is different than Bernie Williams to me. They were already a championship team when they almost lost Bernie. That would have knocked the legs off a championship roster and really hurt. They aren’t a championship roster with Judge at the contract he was playing at for the past few years. It’s only going to be worse at $40M a year.
It's only going to hamstring them because they choose to hamstring themselves. If they lose Judge, would it really surpise anyone to see the Yanks overpay somebody and give Nimmo an Ellsbury type deal or something like that?
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They didn’t “let” he wants to go to San Fran. You’re acting like yanks offered him $14 a game
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Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
They didn’t “let” he wants to go to San Fran. You’re acting like yanks offered him $14 a game
I’m stunned that Hal and Cashman still have people willing to make excuses for them.
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Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
They didn’t “let” he wants to go to San Fran. You’re acting like yanks offered him $14 a game
I’m stunned that Hal and Cashman still have people willing to make excuses for them.
LOL who is defending them? I simply said we are making offers. We aren’t letting him walk. I don’t like the way Cashman has constructed roster I was ready to fire him
I think this situation is unprecedented in Yankee history, though, isn't it? SFG doing to the Yankees what the Yankees have been doing to other teams since the dawn of free agency. And never mind that it's the reigning MVP and the Yankees' face of the franchise.
I don’t understand this POV. Do you think that he leaves if they offer him the most money or years? It’s possible, but highly unlikely. If you truly want a player, you have to put your money where your mouth is. They did it with Gerrit Cole.
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Cano #2...Yes I am vested as a diehard but if he leaves I wish him the best but really think he will be sorry....have to respect his choice whatever it is...
I don’t understand this POV. Do you think that he leaves if they offer him the most money or years? It’s possible, but highly unlikely. If you truly want a player, you have to put your money where your mouth is. They did it with Gerrit Cole.
So what is your jumping off point? How much is too much? Whatever they pay him is going to directly affect what they can do with the rest of the roster for the next decade. So what’s your limit?
Also, if he leaves how do you know it wasn’t his intention all along? It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to connect all the dots dating back to this past offseason that he may just prefer to go back to Cali. I can’t stand Cashman either, but blaming him right now before we have any details whatsoever is amateur hour. Let alone the fact he hasn’t even officially left yet…
You're pissed about paying Stanton less than $27 million a year till he's 38 but you're okay with paying Judge $40 million till he's 40 or 41? That's logical.
I think this situation is unprecedented in Yankee history, though, isn't it? SFG doing to the Yankees what the Yankees have been doing to other teams since the dawn of free agency. And never mind that it's the reigning MVP and the Yankees' face of the franchise.
Maybe not to the same extent just because of the season Judge just had but Cano was a similar caliber player if you remove the 2022 season from Judge’s resume and Cano left at the same age. They also lost Clemens and Pettite to Houston in FA, Reggie Jackson once upon a time and I’m sure there’s a couple of others I’m forgetting.
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Keep shitheads like Cashman and Boone around, pay Giancarlo Stanton until he’s 38 years old, and let your best player walk out the door in his prime.
You're pissed about paying Stanton less than $27 million a year till he's 38 but you're okay with paying Judge $40 million till he's 40 or 41? That's logical.
Are you struggling to understand that one of those players is significantly better than the other at the time these decisions were made?
Stanton was 27 and coming off a 59 HR season. I'm not sure the above is true.
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Are you struggling to understand that one of those players is significantly better than the other at the time these decisions were made?
Stanton was 27 and coming off a 59 HR season. I'm not sure the above is true.
Ya. Wasn't he one of the most feared hitters, when healthy then?
No comparison with Italian food sorry, not sorry.
He won't get nearly the advertisement chances compared to NYC
How do you know the Yanks went up to 340 Mill.?
I didn't hear that from anyone (yet).
🤣
The top players in sports can play almost anywhere and still get crazy advertisement money. They're global. It's the lesser tiered players where a bigger market probably helps.
Cashman blew it when he didn't sign Judge to a long term contract and buy out his arbitration years after his first or second season in the majors when he already had a 52 home run season under his belt as the Angels did with Trout. Instead, he let Judge go to arbitration and then let him walk into free agency. At best, this idiot cost his employer at least a hundred million dollars and at worst lost a valuable asset that put ticket holders in the seat.
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So if the Giants are still at $360m I don’t think Cashman lets him leave over $20 million. If he leaves it’s because the number was insane or because he wanted to.
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How do you know the Yanks went up to 340 Mill.?
I didn't hear that from anyone (yet).
That’s the number that’s been floating around and Kay said they upped it.
What I await is what kind of dumb, reactionary move the Yankees make to quell the PR hit as they start asking fans to re-up their season tix packages (good luck!). So that means going after any other big name around, preferably to take from the Red Sox or Mets because that's how they will try to handle the back page.
Honestly, the only real move that they would make which would get attention is to empty the farm for Ohtani.
If Judge does leave, everything is on the table because the Yankees will act like a wounded animal w/ Hal and Cashman trying to change perception. No one is going to accept a rebuild and wait for the kids when they are spending all that money on Cole, Stanton and friends.
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Are you struggling to understand that one of those players is significantly better than the other at the time these decisions were made?
Stanton was 27 and coming off a 59 HR season. I'm not sure the above is true.
Judge was a better fielder and a far superior baserunner despite being several years older. Aaron Judge finished 4th in the MVP voting last season. Stanton, OTOH, had two injury plagued seasons prior to winning that MVP. In the 6 seasons prior to the decisions, Judge had a WAR of 36 compared to Stanton’s 27.
Stanton obviously wasn’t a bum, but Judge was a significantly better player at the time these decisions needed to be made. It’s difficult for me to believe that the same guys who traded for Stanton with that contract (even with the Marlins kicking in 30 million) are now going to be worried about what they’re paying someone in their late 30s.
As a Yankees fan, we are all annoyed at the inflexible approach to their analytics. The Yankees can spend more than probably every other team. Yet, they continually make the same mistakes every year.
Does anybody feel confident of the Yanks putting together a legit championship team? How many times do we need to see our bats fail us against top notch pitching. How many years have to pass where the Yanks say that strikeouts are the sams as every other out? The philosophy is not changing. I'm sure we'll be a very good team but be a team that always gets bounced in the playoffs.
christian, sorta weird that some think of SF as some backwater town. Haha.
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It is a lot of things...money, lifestyle(just got married), perceived slight vs Cashman and fans, more comfortable in Cali.
If he is pissed at getting booed, he is pretty thin skinned - the guy was putrid at the plate and I am certain he was disappointed. Booing is part of the game.
But I would not be surprised that it is easier to raise a family in SF than in NYC.
This is different than Bernie Williams to me. They were already a championship team when they almost lost Bernie. That would have knocked the legs off a championship roster and really hurt. They aren’t a championship roster with Judge at the contract he was playing at for the past few years. It’s only going to be worse at $40M a year.
My stomach totally dropped seeing the false posts. More than I thought it would! Still a chance? I guess?
Yep. It was reported as basically a done deal like this and changed at the last minute.
This thread should be deleted. No need for people to see that Subjecf when they log onto BBI
Same here, I just wish I had more faith in the organization to pivot to a good plan B.
This is different than Bernie Williams to me. They were already a championship team when they almost lost Bernie. That would have knocked the legs off a championship roster and really hurt. They aren’t a championship roster with Judge at the contract he was playing at for the past few years. It’s only going to be worse at $40M a year.
It's only going to hamstring them because they choose to hamstring themselves. If they lose Judge, would it really surpise anyone to see the Yanks overpay somebody and give Nimmo an Ellsbury type deal or something like that?