What... I say WHAT is it about this guy that is driving countless BBI threads to near-passionate insanity?
(1) He'll never be good enough to win a Super Bowl?
(2) He can't put a team on his shoulders and just win?
(3) He has fundamental flaws that can never be fixed?
(4) He will always be a mediocrity no matter what?
(5) He should have never been taken with the 6th pick?
(6) He's holding the team back and they need a clean break from him?
(7) He's simply not worth a second contract?
(8) All of the above?
(9) None of the above?
(10) Something else?
What gives?
Maybe they don't trust the receivers, TEs and the interior OL. The coaches are people too, this ineptitude by a lot of the guys on the field has to play on their minds somewhat. I knew Judge was going to pay dearly for those two QB sneaks last year but I can't say I was shocked by it, I can't remember if it was Glennon or Fromm but that was the most pathetic offense i have ever seen, they were down by the goal line and were still somewhat in the game. It wasn't what I would have done due to the semantics but the ineptitude of the Offense clearly led to that decision
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of those questions. I would like him back at a very reasonable price. However, I find it unlikely he re-signs for the $15M I am thinking of. I wouldn't pay $25M-$35M to try to find out what he can do with an improving roster and coaching staff. That's money for an established star.
You're right, he's not signing for $15. Any offer he gets is going to be short term under $10 a year. That's the going rate for journeyman replacement level qb's which is what he is. He is more Case Keenum than Tannehill. Tannehill is a much better passer and was in Miami as well.
The questions about Jones are very similar to the questions about Tannehill in Miami. Tannehill doesn’t run as well, had a better pocket to throw from, and had equal or better receivers. Barkley is a better RB than anyone that was on the Dolphins. Fans were happy to see him go but they were and are still looking for the next Dan Marino. Miami has settled for an injury prone but accurate passing game manager, upgraded the offensive line through the draft AND free agency, upgraded the RBs, dramatically upgraded the WRs, and built a solid defense. Giants aren’t close to having the same team the Dolphins have now.
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Why are you so confident Jones will be back when you yourself said the coaching staff doesn’t trust the offense?
Maybe they don't trust the receivers, TEs and the interior OL. The coaches are people too, this ineptitude by a lot of the guys on the field has to play on their minds somewhat. I knew Judge was going to pay dearly for those two QB sneaks last year but I can't say I was shocked by it, I can't remember if it was Glennon or Fromm but that was the most pathetic offense i have ever seen, they were down by the goal line and were still somewhat in the game. It wasn't what I would have done due to the semantics but the ineptitude of the Offense clearly led to that decision
That wasn't an incorrect call based upon the knowledge of having a bad offense, that was a full mental psychotic break by Judge and a dysfunctional org.
Yeah...yeah...the whole team has sucked while he's here...we all get it.
Teams like the Titans/49ers/Vikings/etc deal with QBs like Tannehill/Jimmy G/Kirk Cousins b/c they are still winning games.
Everyone likes to talk about how long it took Simms to win around here...bro...that was in 1979.
In today's NFL - no one is patient with their QB anymore. It seems to me like the only fan base that sticks to a QB that loses as much as DJ is...well...this one.
It's not hard to figure out.
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Why are you so confident Jones will be back when you yourself said the coaching staff doesn’t trust the offense?
Maybe they don't trust the receivers, TEs and the interior OL. The coaches are people too, this ineptitude by a lot of the guys on the field has to play on their minds somewhat. I knew Judge was going to pay dearly for those two QB sneaks last year but I can't say I was shocked by it, I can't remember if it was Glennon or Fromm but that was the most pathetic offense i have ever seen, they were down by the goal line and were still somewhat in the game. It wasn't what I would have done due to the semantics but the ineptitude of the Offense clearly led to that decision
That wasn't an incorrect call based upon the knowledge of having a bad offense, that was a full mental psychotic break by Judge and a dysfunctional org.
Again I wouldn't have done it, but it was really one play. The first QB sneak was fine and nobody cared, teams do it all the time to get off the goal line. The second one was the issue because it indicated surrender, it got Judge fired and likely brought Taylor here.
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Dunk, these are different scouts and executives than the ones that massacred the roster.
The ones who chose DJ are the same ones who cratered the roster. They proved at every turn that they couldn't identify good football players to save their lives, and yet fans want to cling to the belief that in spite of fucking up every decision they made, they somehow got the most important decision correct.
Talk about wishful thinking.
They got Dexter Lawrence right.... Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every so often. Julian Love isn't too bad. Once the guy is here it really doesn't matter who picked them.
It does matter who picked the player if that player is scheme-dependent. And we're seeing with the offense this year that the scheme is being stripped down to the frame in order to function at all with the ragtag bunch left behind by Gettleman & Co.
What's debatable is to what extent DJ's skills are the cause of the stripped-down offense, and to what extent DJ's play is the effect of the stripped-down offense. Only the key stakeholders inside NYG HQ know the answer to that.
What we do know is that DJ is very clearly not a scheme-agnostic stud QB like the very top of the elite tier are - that should come as no surprise to anyone here, and should not be a controversial take (though I'm sure there are some posters here who will absolutely try to claim otherwise).
Given that DJ is, like many QBs in the lower/middle tier, scheme-dependent, it does bear some consideration to wonder if JS/BD/MK see DJ as a scheme fit for the offense they want to be deploying, rather than the one we are currently seeing. I have a hard time believing that a HC and OC who come from two of the most prolific passing units in the NFL are somehow running a throwback running offense purely by choice.
I think their hands are tied right now, for a variety of reasons, and it almost doesn't matter whether DJ falls on the cause side or the effect side, because the end result is the same: JS/BD/MK will still be projecting a QB who is not currently under contract into their preferred offensive scheme, and there will be zero QBs on the market (including DJ) who will have demonstrated experience/success operating within that scheme.
Whether they decide to tag DJ, sign him long-term, attempt to bring him back as a bridge, replace him with some other veteran placeholder, and/or go draft a QB, whatever, the reality is this, IMO: we don't know what their prototypical QB is, and which option available to them will be the closest approximation of what they desire in a QB, at whatever price that they feel is appropriate.
I don't expect JS/BD to give any sort of incumbent advantage to DJ. If they believe he's the guy, they'll sign him long-term at relatively big money. If they want to make it a priority to keep DJ but are far apart from his side on dollars and years, they'll tag him. If they believe he's a fungible bridge QB, they'll probably set their price for a placeholder (regardless of which one it ends up being), and offer that to DJ and to other QB alternatives, and let the market sort itself out.
In that latter scenario, it doesn't matter whether they end up with DJ or Andy Dalton or Geno Smith or whoever, because they're acknowledging by virtue of the contract itself that none of them are the long-term answer.
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Dunk, these are different scouts and executives than the ones that massacred the roster.
The ones who chose DJ are the same ones who cratered the roster. They proved at every turn that they couldn't identify good football players to save their lives, and yet fans want to cling to the belief that in spite of fucking up every decision they made, they somehow got the most important decision correct.
Talk about wishful thinking.
They got Dexter Lawrence right.... Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every so often. Julian Love isn't too bad. Once the guy is here it really doesn't matter who picked them.
It does matter who picked the player if that player is scheme-dependent. And we're seeing with the offense this year that the scheme is being stripped down to the frame in order to function at all with the ragtag bunch left behind by Gettleman & Co.
What's debatable is to what extent DJ's skills are the cause of the stripped-down offense, and to what extent DJ's play is the effect of the stripped-down offense. Only the key stakeholders inside NYG HQ know the answer to that.
What we do know is that DJ is very clearly not a scheme-agnostic stud QB like the very top of the elite tier are - that should come as no surprise to anyone here, and should not be a controversial take (though I'm sure there are some posters here who will absolutely try to claim otherwise).
Given that DJ is, like many QBs in the lower/middle tier, scheme-dependent, it does bear some consideration to wonder if JS/BD/MK see DJ as a scheme fit for the offense they want to be deploying, rather than the one we are currently seeing. I have a hard time believing that a HC and OC who come from two of the most prolific passing units in the NFL are somehow running a throwback running offense purely by choice.
I think their hands are tied right now, for a variety of reasons, and it almost doesn't matter whether DJ falls on the cause side or the effect side, because the end result is the same: JS/BD/MK will still be projecting a QB who is not currently under contract into their preferred offensive scheme, and there will be zero QBs on the market (including DJ) who will have demonstrated experience/success operating within that scheme.
Whether they decide to tag DJ, sign him long-term, attempt to bring him back as a bridge, replace him with some other veteran placeholder, and/or go draft a QB, whatever, the reality is this, IMO: we don't know what their prototypical QB is, and which option available to them will be the closest approximation of what they desire in a QB, at whatever price that they feel is appropriate.
I don't expect JS/BD to give any sort of incumbent advantage to DJ. If they believe he's the guy, they'll sign him long-term at relatively big money. If they want to make it a priority to keep DJ but are far apart from his side on dollars and years, they'll tag him. If they believe he's a fungible bridge QB, they'll probably set their price for a placeholder (regardless of which one it ends up being), and offer that to DJ and to other QB alternatives, and let the market sort itself out.
In that latter scenario, it doesn't matter whether they end up with DJ or Andy Dalton or Geno Smith or whoever, because they're acknowledging by virtue of the contract itself that none of them are the long-term answer.
Good post and overall I agree. Whenever a new coach comes in they typically want their guy. Last years QB crop on paper wasn’t especially terrific so the team wisely stocked up on edge and offensive line. The fact that they didn’t pick up Jones’ 5th year option was very telling. If they thought highly enough of Jones that they would consider signing him long term you would think they would have picked that up to give them some flexibility.
Great idea! In the future, offering a 4 year contract to a QB who has proven nothing in his first 4 years in the league, will be the key to success in the NFL.
Teams like the Titans/49ers/Vikings/etc deal with QBs like Tannehill/Jimmy G/Kirk Cousins b/c they are still winning games.
Titans were the AFC's #1 seed last season due to their roster and good coaching.
Vikings have a nice roster and the NFL's best receiver.
49ers have arguably the best roster in the entire league, loaded on offense and defense.
Daniel Jones is throwing to Darius Slayton and Isaiah Hodgins.
The 49ers may miss out on a Super Bowl opportunity because they’ve had to rely on a slightly above average but often injured QB.
We’ll see on the Vikings, and if Cousins turns back into Primetime Kirk during the postseason.
All cautionary tales for the Giants while considering handing out a multi year deal to a mediocre QB.
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As I’ve mentioned previously I would offer Jones 4 years 100M. Think that’s fair and I think he’d take it.
Great idea! In the future, offering a 4 year contract to a QB who has proven nothing in his first 4 years in the league, will be the key to success in the NFL.
Schoen would literally have to get on his hands and knees and beg to get Jones to sign a 4 year 100m contract.
The biggest myth in the history of sports is when fans think that teams traded a superstar or didn't pay someone because they "couldn't afford him." The Titans could have easily paid Brown if they wanted to. Teams make it work with the cap. They just didn't want to commit to him long term for whatever reason.
The GM chose to get a 1st round pick for him, which they turned into Burks, who looks pretty damn good.
Burks is averaging less yards a reception and less yards per game since Week 10 than Slayton - let’s pump the breaks on them getting an AJ Brown replacement.
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If they weren’t paying a mediocre QB one of the highest cap hits in the league maybe they keep AJ Brown.
The biggest myth in the history of sports is when fans think that teams traded a superstar or didn't pay someone because they "couldn't afford him." The Titans could have easily paid Brown if they wanted to. Teams make it work with the cap. They just didn't want to commit to him long term for whatever reason.
The GM chose to get a 1st round pick for him, which they turned into Burks, who looks pretty damn good.
Can you offer evidence that it's a myth?
To my eyes, the Titans trading Brown to draft Burks looks an awful lot like the Vikings trading Diggs to draft Jefferson. It may or may not be a coincidence that each of those teams have QBs with whom DJ is often compared, both in terms of skills/performance as well as contract value concern.
Trading Diggs to end up with Jefferson is a wash, right? But a win on the cost side of things. That helps keep Cousins' price tag in balance.
Trading Brown to end up with Burks might end up being a wash also, but it might not, either. The Titans hope that Burks can match Brown's production, but that's a best case scenario, if we're being realistic.
So two different teams, both with well-paid veteran QBs trade away soon-to-be-expensive WR1s and then immediately draft that WR's presumed replacement. What motivation do they have to make those trades except for the financial impact of the impending contract that each of those WRs was about to command?
If it was because they were shifting priority and positional value away from WR, you wouldn't see both of those teams immediately using high picks to replace the WRs they traded away (and in both cases, the teams who traded away the star WR not only used a high pick for the replacement, they literally used exactly the pick they received in return for the star WR). If it was because they had an abundance of WR talent and wanted to rebalance their roster, the replacements for Diggs and/or Brown would already be on the roster.
Or, in a much simpler explanation, it's not a myth.
Brown's best season with Tennessee was 70 catches and 1075 yards.
Burks has played 8 games as a rookie, some of those games barely seeing the field, and has 25 catches for 359 yards.
His first two years in the league:
52-1051-8 (20 ypr)
70-1075-11
Which is actually a higher yards per target than Jefferson. He may not be Jefferson, but he’s in conversation of top 10 WRs in the league.
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Teams like the Titans/49ers/Vikings/etc deal with QBs like Tannehill/Jimmy G/Kirk Cousins b/c they are still winning games.
Titans were the AFC's #1 seed last season due to their roster and good coaching.
Vikings have a nice roster and the NFL's best receiver.
49ers have arguably the best roster in the entire league, loaded on offense and defense.
Daniel Jones is throwing to Darius Slayton and Isaiah Hodgins.
So is your assumption here that if DJ was the starting QB for those organizations then they would be in a better place?
Brown's best season with Tennessee was 70 catches and 1075 yards.
Burks has played 8 games as a rookie, some of those games barely seeing the field, and has 25 catches for 359 yards.
They didn't trade Brown's best season with them. They traded Brown's next season, this one, the one where he's a stud WR1.
And they used exactly the pick that they received, just like the Vikings did with Diggs/Jefferson, to replace Brown.
The reason why both teams did that was to remain aligned with their cap construction; in neither case did the original teams even attempt to do anything other than replace the WR they traded away with the pick that they received in return, in order to stick with a rookie contract at WR1. That's the most direct evidence of budgetary constraints that you could possibly imagine.
And you're not going to want to hear it, but the reason why they need to have budgetary constraints at WR is at least partially due to the money each team has allocated to QB (and, to a lesser extent, RB).
Both of those are actually really good examples of why fans can harbor valid concerns about DJ's next contract without it being an insult to DJ himself. It's simply a matter of having serious reservations with the idea of a highly-paid middle-tier QB, and the way that it informs other roster decisions, especially when some of the roster decisions that it might inform include addressing the supporting cast that fans point to as a glaring deficiency.
Maybe if you understood this element, you might also understand the bigger picture.
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Why are you so confident Jones will be back when you yourself said the coaching staff doesn’t trust the offense?
Maybe they don't trust the receivers, TEs and the interior OL. The coaches are people too, this ineptitude by a lot of the guys on the field has to play on their minds somewhat. I knew Judge was going to pay dearly for those two QB sneaks last year but I can't say I was shocked by it, I can't remember if it was Glennon or Fromm but that was the most pathetic offense i have ever seen, they were down by the goal line and were still somewhat in the game. It wasn't what I would have done due to the semantics but the ineptitude of the Offense clearly led to that decision
Not trusting the offense might or might not translate to not trusting DJ, we ll see. I don’t think that is the case based on what I have seen during this season in critical drives.
In what world has DJ outperformed Kyler Murray? The things people say to prop up an average QB are mind boggling.
People in here talk about DJ like he's a rookie. He's in year 4 and still can't throw 15 TDs. Want to be considered a franchise QB? Throw for 4000 yards and close to 30 TDs. Don't be a QB that has to run a dink and dunk offense built around the running game.
What if you're wrong (you are!) and he's still the same average Joe next year (which he will!)? The Giants would be locked into 2-3 more years with no way out.
No to mention...4 years based on what? This isn't a guy outperforming his $8 million salary now, so just bump him to $25 million for fun? The argument used to be wins...but now that Saquon is getting shutdown...DJ isn't stepping up to carry the load, and the Giants are 0-3-1 in their last 4. His production sucks...this offense (minus Saquon) sucks. What has DJ done to earn that type of money for 4 years? That's a Gettleman move!
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As I’ve mentioned previously I would offer Jones 4 years 100M. Think that’s fair and I think he’d take it.
What if you're wrong (you are!) and he's still the same average Joe next year (which he will!)? The Giants would be locked into 2-3 more years with no way out.
No to mention...4 years based on what? This isn't a guy outperforming his $8 million salary now, so just bump him to $25 million for fun? The argument used to be wins...but now that Saquon is getting shutdown...DJ isn't stepping up to carry the load, and the Giants are 0-3-1 in their last 4. His production sucks...this offense (minus Saquon) sucks. What has DJ done to earn that type of money for 4 years? That's a Gettleman move!
THat would be a Gettleman move but, this guy's whole thing is proving Gettleman was not a bad GM and Jones is actually a good QB and Barkley doesn't suck.
Guess what if you just evaluate every player with hopeless optimism , eventually you will be proven right. Barkley sucked last year. He was obviously hurt and is not the same player at all this year. He shown flashes of being an extra special player. It would not be money to franchise him and well worth it.
Gettleman and jones on the other hand are worst ever category or just mediocre at best category. This guy is just jumping out of his skin to say "see I told you so."
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Jones has outperformed all the QBs drafted before him his year which many on this site thought were the next coming & did it with lesser talent across the board and prehistoric play calling for most of his career with the Giants. Just sayin'.
In what world has DJ outperformed Kyler Murray? The things people say to prop up an average QB are mind boggling.
People in here talk about DJ like he's a rookie. He's in year 4 and still can't throw 15 TDs. Want to be considered a franchise QB? Throw for 4000 yards and close to 30 TDs. Don't be a QB that has to run a dink and dunk offense built around the running game.
Maybe in ESPN-land Murray is a good QB, that scrub throws more teammates and coaches under the bus than playoff TDs.
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Jones has outperformed all the QBs drafted before him his year which many on this site thought were the next coming & did it with lesser talent across the board and prehistoric play calling for most of his career with the Giants. Just sayin'.
In what world has DJ outperformed Kyler Murray? The things people say to prop up an average QB are mind boggling.
People in here talk about DJ like he's a rookie. He's in year 4 and still can't throw 15 TDs. Want to be considered a franchise QB? Throw for 4000 yards and close to 30 TDs. Don't be a QB that has to run a dink and dunk offense built around the running game.
Maybe in ESPN-land Murray is a good QB, that scrub throws more teammates and coaches under the bus than playoff TDs.
Remind us again how many playoff TDs DJ has thrown? Murray has some growing up to do, but there's not a GM in the NFL that would rather have DJ over Murray, even with Murray's contract.
So you think DJ is worth more than $230M over 5 years?
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Maybe in ESPN-land Murray is a good QB, that scrub throws more teammates and coaches under the bus than playoff TDs.
So you think DJ is worth more than $230M over 5 years?
He, and a few others, probably do.
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Jones has outperformed all the QBs drafted before him his year which many on this site thought were the next coming & did it with lesser talent across the board and prehistoric play calling for most of his career with the Giants. Just sayin'.
In what world has DJ outperformed Kyler Murray? The things people say to prop up an average QB are mind boggling.
People in here talk about DJ like he's a rookie. He's in year 4 and still can't throw 15 TDs. Want to be considered a franchise QB? Throw for 4000 yards and close to 30 TDs. Don't be a QB that has to run a dink and dunk offense built around the running game.
Maybe in ESPN-land Murray is a good QB, that scrub throws more teammates and coaches under the bus than playoff TDs.
Remind us again how many playoff TDs DJ has thrown? Murray has some growing up to do, but there's not a GM in the NFL that would rather have DJ over Murray, even with Murray's contract.
Remind me how you can replace him with Colt friggin McCoy and Arizona doesn't miss a beat.
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Maybe in ESPN-land Murray is a good QB, that scrub throws more teammates and coaches under the bus than playoff TDs.
So you think DJ is worth more than $230M over 5 years?
It’s funny when price is brought up none of the Jones super fans want to address it. I guess they think Jones will just sign for $10M next year.
Jones will be looking for the Tannehill contract I’d guess, 4/118. But, no one wants to bring it up.
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Jones has outperformed all the QBs drafted before him his year which many on this site thought were the next coming & did it with lesser talent across the board and prehistoric play calling for most of his career with the Giants. Just sayin'.
In what world has DJ outperformed Kyler Murray? The things people say to prop up an average QB are mind boggling.
People in here talk about DJ like he's a rookie. He's in year 4 and still can't throw 15 TDs. Want to be considered a franchise QB? Throw for 4000 yards and close to 30 TDs. Don't be a QB that has to run a dink and dunk offense built around the running game.
Maybe in ESPN-land Murray is a good QB, that scrub throws more teammates and coaches under the bus than playoff TDs.
Remind us again how many playoff TDs DJ has thrown? Murray has some growing up to do, but there's not a GM in the NFL that would rather have DJ over Murray, even with Murray's contract.
Remind me how you can replace him with Colt friggin McCoy and Arizona doesn't miss a beat.
The same Colt McCoy who helped lead the Giants to one of their best Gettleman era wins over Seattle?
Last season probably looks a bit different if he was retained instead of bringing in the Giraffe
If you think DJ is better than Kyler* Murray, then you should also expect that DJ will earn more than $230M over the next 5 years.
There is no logical way to separate those two points of view.
Shhhh... we don't say the quiet part out loud.
He’s a terrible leader and a bad teammate. I would bet there are many teams that wouldn’t take him at any number.
In terms of fantasy points and madden ratings, sure. Those numbers are pretty. Those “tools” are wonderful. Million dollar arm and a ten cent head.
I wouldn’t give either that money. I think that is an awful contract. If you think that it is fair and well earned you’re entitled to your opinion. We can see how the whole thing turns out.
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Seems to have particular antipathy for Murray, Wilson, Dak, and Lamar
Shhhh... we don't say the quiet part out loud.
No antipathy. Just don’t feel the need to have cock in my mouth. But you do you.
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I’d imagine most people are just anxious to find out what the Giants think, and we will soon.
Whatever the Giants decide, there will be people here who still will not admit they were wrong. Whether the Giants keep Jones or let him go. Their actions will be the deciding factor here... not what someone with keyboard muscles on this website thinks.
I will
He’s a terrible leader and a bad teammate. I would bet there are many teams that wouldn’t take him at any number.
In terms of fantasy points and madden ratings, sure. Those numbers are pretty. Those “tools” are wonderful. Million dollar arm and a ten cent head.
I wouldn’t give either that money. I think that is an awful contract. If you think that it is fair and well earned you’re entitled to your opinion. We can see how the whole thing turns out.
I think Murray’s contract is awful too, but I also recognize that it’s not wildly out of line with the rest of the veteran QB1 market, and therefore you can reasonably expect DJ’s agent to point to it as a comp, particularly for the DJ-favorable reasons that you list.
I don’t have some fantastic expectation that the QB market is suddenly going to change to conform to DJ. Rather, I realize that it’s much more likely that DJ’s contract will ultimately be somewhat informed by the existing parameters of the current market.
That’s the primary reason why I would let DJ walk. If this is what the veteran QB1 market continues to be, then I strongly believe that it would be a mistake for the Giants to pay DJ anything close to what his peers are earning.
IMO, it’s significantly easier to improve the team overall with an inexpensive journeyman QB and reinforcements elsewhere while grooming a young prospect than it is to build a contender around a high-priced QB who requires many of the same reinforcements that the journeyman does.
The problem, IMO, is that even if there is still upside remaining for DJ, that would be baked into his price tag as though it’s already been realized.
Not a lot of success with teams when that big contract hits. Very few ever wind up delivering SB's. The debate is how much is it the team talent or the QB. Not always so clear to answer. Most times it's a very good QB but not good enough that he can overcome team deficiencies come playoff/SB time.
Matt Stafford might be the most expensive QB to ever win a SB. Tom Brady next as I think he got 30m in Tampa. In NE he was on a discount. Then helium ball PM in Denver, Eli '11 and BR's second in Pitt.
Jones, on the other hand, will be high on the list of free agent QBs. If he moves to a team with a better OL and WRs, his play will undoubtedly improve.
Jones, on the other hand, will be high on the list of free agent QBs. If he moves to a team with a better OL and WRs, his play will undoubtedly improve.
Undoubtedly.
How much are you paying DJ and for how long?
Jones, on the other hand, will be high on the list of free agent QBs. If he moves to a team with a better OL and WRs, his play will undoubtedly improve.
Oh my goodness. You paint such a frightening scenario. How could we treat such a precious resource so loosely.
Exactly. And lost in all of this is that Jones is 15th in QBR—while surrounded by little talent on offense.
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Is he really that much better than Jones? Give the kid a solid core around him and let's see how he looks. I'm not sure a better option is available in the draft or FA anyway.
Exactly. And lost in all of this is that Jones is 15th in QBR—while surrounded by little talent on offense.
It’s not so much lost than it is ignored.
The 49ers may miss out on a Super Bowl opportunity because they’ve had to rely on a slightly above average but often injured QB.
We’ll see on the Vikings, and if Cousins turns back into Primetime Kirk during the postseason.
All cautionary tales for the Giants while considering handing out a multi year deal to a mediocre QB.
Yes -- this is a very relevant post right here -- a lot of aspects of the Titan's very much remind me of the Giants
Is he really that much better than Jones? Give the kid a solid core around him and let's see how he looks. I'm not sure a better option is available in the draft or FA anyway.
Exactly. And lost in all of this is that Jones is 15th in QBR—while surrounded by little talent on offense.
It’s not so much lost than it is ignored.
Oddly, in that stat he's behind:
Jacoby Brissett (7th)
Justin Fields (12th)
Marcus Mariota (14th)
Yet barely a day goes by when I don't see people getting shit on for suggesting that Brissett and Mariota are comps for Jones. Just yesterday the very notion of signing Brissett as a bridge QB was laughable to a great many posters.
Mariota just got benched. Fields has been sacked 40 times and is throwing to the legendary receiving corps of Darnell Mooney and Equanimeous St. Brown.
Is it possible that Daniel Jones just isn't very good?
I mean I watched Brady score 2 TDs (3 really as one was called back for a penalty) late in the 4th Quarter to win a game and all I could think to myself is that Daniel Jones just cant do that
You mean DJ isn't as good as the GOAT?